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This seems like a theme in ALL of Cecil's reports. How much of a steal is this guy in round 5 at WR18?The one-year wonder, John Fox factor is really depressing his value I guess? Obviously Steve Smith and Muhsin Muhammad managed some monster seasons under Fox, so it can be done.
Lots of hype in that thread, but no answer to my question. Is Julius Thomas a starter for the Broncos this season, and what kind of projections are expected??
At the end of this year, I am going to owe Cecil a big thank you or a big #### you. Based on this thread alone, I traded Knowshon and traded for Lloyd. I am a big believer in "System" drafting, which is why I was excited about Moreno in a John Fox system, but he has to get the carries and Cecil has made me question that.As far as Lloyd, I agree with you that too little is being made about the WR#1 in a John Fox system. I saw Steve Smith and Mushy both finish in the top #3 two years in a row. And until last year when they had McNown-like quarterbacking, they have always done well at WR#1.
not to beat a dead horse but read the thread. the conspicuous lack of chatter about one player will tell the story about likely starter at TE. draft accordingly.
If I recall correctly what I've heard Cec say - he can correct me if I'm off - but I think he said that initially, Orange Julius might not have a huge impact, that it might take him a while to crack the lineup and be productive. So if I read him right, Cec was saying he is worth a dynasty look but this year, probably not a redraft spot, until late if he comes on like Graham did w the saints last year.
Drafters never want to be the guy paying for last year's numbers. Especially on a player that has never done it before. Factor that in with the coaching change, looming QB controversy, and we're suddenly looking at an extremely undervalued player. 77/1,448/11 is nothing to scoff at, and after reading this thread it looks like $$Lloyd is in line for another nice year. Thanks Cecil.
Andrew - It also doesn't look like he got a single "vote" from the 3 Dynasty guys here @ FBG's & isn't even in the top 40 therefore @ TE (& those were all dated 08/08 or later)....Just trying to add a little perspective for those outside this thread sometimes.
I do too, but I also noticed 3 ranking guys here (including Andrew who I respect also) didn't even vote for him in their ROOKIE rankings at all and the other 4 had in the 3rd Round of a somewhat so/so class....
Thomas has been the talk of camp from an offensive perspective as far as the Denver radio and print go. I think Fells will be the immediate inline starter due to his blocking prowess and really he probably has the best overall game of the TEs (taking inline blocking into heavy consideration given Fox's proclivity for running the ball). But Thomas' receiving skills have been lauded by quite a few local observers. Apparently he has been lining up regularly in 2 TE sets and has occasionally split out in the slot. He lined up with the starters for a few plays last Thursday as well. I am not sure how much immediate fantasy production he will have, but I do think he will be a player in dynasty leagues based on the many rave reviews he has received.Edit to add: When I say Fells is the best overall TE, I mean right now. Once Thomas gets his blocking technique down (and reports are he is a willing blocker/effort guy), I do think he will take over as the guy at TE. I think that happens sometime later this season or at the beginning of next barring injury.
Thanks for the props.I was just relaying what I recall Cecil saying this weekend. I like what I've heard but I haven't seen a ton to change how I felt about him initially which is he's got potential but I'm not sold. I feel like I need to see more of him myself to really commit heavy enthusiasm to him. I thought real hard about putting him into my rookie rankings this week and if I keep reading good camp news and depending what I see when I watch what I can in preseason, he has a good chance to end up on my rankings.
Good then I'll wait for him to hit the waiver wire in my dynasty.
Cecil addressed both the points in the post immediately prior to yours.
Maybe he gets cut and picked up by Arizona
Agreed, but I will add that Moreno made the triple option work. Since he has been out it hasn't been nearly as effective.
Not at all. The Broncos can still clinch the division if they win, the Chiefs beat the Raiders, and the Lions beat the Chargers. Besides, I doubt the Broncos will take it easy and think, "Gee, I guess we can blow this game off and just worry about winning next week." The defense will be looking to get back on track against a struggling Bills team after getting gashed by the Patriots.
Lions don't even need to beat Chargers. One Denver win or one Charger loss eliminates them from contention for the division title.
They can look past the Bills and still be a good play imo. Champ locks down on Stevie and Fitz will toss a pick or 3 just for good measure.
Ah, that's right. Thanks for the reminder!
They'll likely play whichever team doesn't win the AFC North out of Baltimore and Pittsburgh.
