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***2011 Chicago Bears Regular Season Thread*** (1 Viewer)
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Sister Havana
Footballguy
FallenHero32
Footballguy
This Bears off season and trade/FA pickups are terrible. They had a huge chance to change things and make another big splash this year and they have squandered it. Now all we have is a bunch of middle of the road guys left at any position. Terrible terrible Front Office and Ownership. This team will be lucky to go 8-8 with the division they are in. The Lions and Packers are going to eat them alive.
Funny, thats what everyone said last year...
FallenHero32
Footballguy
Are you saying that last year wasn't a fluke and many of the games we won were on the skill of the team? They got lucky with injuries. The only reason moves were made last year to sign guys like peppers was because Lovie was on the chopping block. Now he isn't and he knows it. Business as usual from the Bears now. And it's not as if the Bears are specifically getting worse, its just that everyone around them is getting BETTER and the bears are aging quickly.
I'm saying that even lucky teams need to be good.to win games. And no matter how "lucky" you are, you still have to be very good to win the nfc north and make it to the nfc championship game (which was lost by a fairly small margain considering how terribly the bears played).I think that every year the bears fans (and critics) rip them for not doing enough or for being idiots, and.most years they are at least in playoff contention. I was calling for.lovie's head last year too, but I realize that lovie doesbt have to make great decisions for the bears anymore. He has assembled some pretty smart coaches to make.most of the decisions.for him. Say what you want about martz but he has only.been there a year. Give him time to make something happen. Let him assemble some players and let the current players learn his offense. they also have, I think, the best offensive line coach in the game. i trust tice to put together a decent line this year. He made a bunch of scrubs look decent at the end of last year. For as bad as thhey were early in the year, they really improved a lot. I'm not thrilled with the way things have gone this offseason, but I'm also not jumping off a cliff. the offense will get better through experience in the system and good (position) coaching. I just think everyone is overreacting here.
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
Sure is cold out here on the ledge. :(
twistd
Footballguy
Well, the Packers are going to be better this year. They had a lot of injuries last year and still won the Super Bowl. I think Detroit is about to take a big step up. Tice got more out of less than perhaps any position coach in the league last year. I don't know if he can work the same miracles this year. Carimi is a good addition, but Webb is very, very shaky at LT. Williams and Garza should both be replaced, and Kreutz, if they can keep him, is average at best. In the Martz system the QB gets pummeled anyway, but behind a bad line it is a disaster waiting to happen. Couple that with the Bears idea of improving the passing game is trading away Olsen, and signing Roy Williams. That spells disaster to me. At least the Bears realize the line is terrible because they drafted Carimi and went after Willie Colon. They lost out on Colon, but let's hope that isn't the last attempt at upgrading the line. And let's hope Williams isn't the only piece they add to the passing game.
I dont disagree with anything you said (except that I think tice will continue to develop and.improve the line). There is still a lot of free agency left. The bears have a lot of money to spend. I wouldnt be surprised if the still sign MSW and add at least 1 lineman
twistd
Footballguy
I'm curious about why we haven't heard MSW's name at all. There seems to be very little interest in him. He put up some numbers in Jacksonville, but they weren't interested in resigning him. I heard that Miami might be interested but that was shot down. There has to be a reason.Let's hope you are right and that the Bears go after another WR and at least one starting o-linemen. I'd hope for two o-linemen.
It sounds like the bears grabbed a few high potential udfa linemen earlier in the week (its not getting much attention now, but I think the bears signed several of the better udfa available). Hopefully in a year or two some of those linemen can contribute. If we got 2 linemen this year that can start now, I would be really happy though.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
I was hoping the Bears would add to the offensive line and grab an impact WR. IMO this is Cutler's year to really make strides, the first year with the Bears where he isn't learning a new offensive scheme. No excuses, give him protection and give him legitimate targets and let's see if he's the elite QB we think he can be.
Signing Roy Williams is very disappointing. I'm sure he can be an asset on this team but in all likelyhood it means they're probably done addressing the WR slot. No Braylon Edwards, no Malcolm Floyd, no trade for Vincent Jackson. If Roy Williams is the best the Bears can do at WR they've failed IMO.
Of course all the WR talk is pointless if Cutler doesn't have time to chuck the rock. Kruetz is not an ideal center anymore, but he's the QB of the offensive line. Signing him to a 1 or 2 year contract and accepting his mediocre blocking is not perfect, but it's not the end of the world either. It allows the Bears the flexibility to address other OL positions. Apparently they offered Colon 3 million more than Pittsburgh, but Colon decided to give the Steelers a hometown discount. Thumbs up for aggressively pursuing Colon. Now keep trying.
Signing Roy Williams is very disappointing. I'm sure he can be an asset on this team but in all likelyhood it means they're probably done addressing the WR slot. No Braylon Edwards, no Malcolm Floyd, no trade for Vincent Jackson. If Roy Williams is the best the Bears can do at WR they've failed IMO.
Of course all the WR talk is pointless if Cutler doesn't have time to chuck the rock. Kruetz is not an ideal center anymore, but he's the QB of the offensive line. Signing him to a 1 or 2 year contract and accepting his mediocre blocking is not perfect, but it's not the end of the world either. It allows the Bears the flexibility to address other OL positions. Apparently they offered Colon 3 million more than Pittsburgh, but Colon decided to give the Steelers a hometown discount. Thumbs up for aggressively pursuing Colon. Now keep trying.
The Tick
Footballguy
Well it looks like we now have our second WR, ex-cowboy Sam Hurd... That is pretty frustrating, just raiding Dallas of all their garbage.
Even more than that, we still haven't addressed any OL or DL issues... If they can sign two decent OL guys, who I completely believe are still out there, this offseason could be ok, but man, they need to get active and give some guys some cash to come in and block for us!
Even more than that, we still haven't addressed any OL or DL issues... If they can sign two decent OL guys, who I completely believe are still out there, this offseason could be ok, but man, they need to get active and give some guys some cash to come in and block for us!
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Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
Really happy about Roy Williams.
Will bring back the days of David Terrell signaling 1st down after a catch while down 35-0.
Will bring back the days of David Terrell signaling 1st down after a catch while down 35-0.
They added a Pro-Bowl alternate punter who has a good history of directional punting, which is important in Soldier Field. My hope is that they have Brad Maynard with a stronger leg. Field position is important and Maynard's leg strength did become a liability last season.Losing Greg Olson is not a big deal in the Martz offense. If you want to run his offense, you need players who fit into his system, and pass catching TE's are not typically that. He prefers using TE's as extentions of the offensive line. So, the Bears got dramatically better at filling this need, and hopefully providing extra protection by re-shuffling the TE's.They haven't lost Kreutz yet. If that happens, my assumption is that they replace him.They've added Roy Williams who may/may not have much left so that's a questionable decision. Their reasoning makes sense - he knows the Martz offense and had good seasons, but, he hasn't played well in the last few seasons. Sam Hurd replaces Rashied Davis, that's a wash.I expect a veteran OL to be signed, and a few LB's.
He's not the 2nd WR. He's the 5th WR on the depth chart.
The Tick
Footballguy
Looks like Adams has been resigned and Roach is at camp, but not yet signed, looks like he will be though.
Nothing sexy, but stuff that needed to be done...
Maybe now they'll have some time to give some OL's a call??? please...
Edit to add: Now Carimi has been signed.
Nothing sexy, but stuff that needed to be done...
Maybe now they'll have some time to give some OL's a call??? please...
Edit to add: Now Carimi has been signed.
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Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Reports on WSCR have the Bears signing their 1st rounder which is good news. Hopefully, Gabe Carimi can make a difference.
Clifford
Footballguy
Here's the thing: the Martz "system" has never worked except when he had a HOF QB, two HOF WRs, and a HOF RB. Last year our offense went from ranked 23 to ranked 30. He will be fired at the end of this season, and we will have sent a good pass-catching TE packing for a 3rd rounder Angelo will waste on a safety who will play 3-4 downs and then be cut.Chances are our next OC will side with the other 31 OCs in the NFL who think having a pass-catching TE is a pretty good idea.'cubd8 said:
Bad systems rarely produce hall of fame players, let alone 5 (i think pace has a shot at the hall). Martz was also very successful in detroit. He was a fall guy when he.got fired, but had.improved their offense a lot. He never stood a chance in san fran. Singletary is way too "run first" and wouldnt trust a pass first coordinator run the offense.
Its not fair to.judge martz on 1 year in chicago. He has a.complicated system that takes.time to learn and implement.
flapgreen
Footballguy
That was posted before Roy signing, so it seems less likely now. Besides, who would they cut to make room for him?
two_dollars
Footballguy
The Lions are a feel good story, the 0-16 team making a rebound, trying to get back top the playoffs with good young talent. But they are still going to finish sub .500 and 3rd place. Their time is not yet.
Gholston and roy williams...the bears are trying to be like the patriots with throw aways...lets hope it works...at least a littleVernon Gholston
twistd
Footballguy
They may not spend it. There is no floor this year, or so I've read. This may be it. Dump Olsen for nothing, pick up Gholston, Williams, Hurd, and a punter, and pretend they are better. That would be pitiful. The 30th ranked offense in the league last year. So you get rid of Olsen, pick up Williams and Hurd , and act like that is enough. One of the worst offensive lines in the league last year. They add Carimi, and decide that is enough? I hope they are'nt done, but they may be. This front office is that delusional.Don't we have a lot of cap room? Where are they going to spend it all now?
SWC
Bromigo
jay cutler is so good that this wont matter at all he has an arm that is a lot like a cannon from a battleship about to launch 11 tomahawk cruse missiles at iraq so the odds are that jay will make the nfc his own personal iraq imperial guard and destroy it and make it hide in a spider hole
twistd
Footballguy
Tom Thayer was talking about the young linemen having a chance to develop. I hope they develop fast, or the Bears have something else up their sleeve. There have to be some guys that are better than what we have on this roster. Flozell Adams might be a solid back up. There has to be somebody that can improve this group.'flapgreen said:FA pretty much over. Good with adding one rookie offensive lineman to the worst Oline in the league.
twistd
Footballguy
You are right, that would be a good guy to go after. They need to upgrade the talent level of that group.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Since they really tried for Colon, maybe they will try for Blalock.
One of the hosts I was listening to on the Score or ESPN1000 made a good point. They will spend money and make a splash (ie Cutler trade, Peppers, etc) but you really only see that when the management/coaching jobs are on the line. Then they improve and get content with what they have. To be fair though, they did go after Colon this year. It just didn't work out. Let's see what else they have planned.They may not spend it. There is no floor this year, or so I've read. This may be it. Dump Olsen for nothing, pick up Gholston, Williams, Hurd, and a punter, and pretend they are better. That would be pitiful. The 30th ranked offense in the league last year. So you get rid of Olsen, pick up Williams and Hurd , and act like that is enough. One of the worst offensive lines in the league last year. They add Carimi, and decide that is enough? I hope they are'nt done, but they may be. This front office is that delusional.Don't we have a lot of cap room? Where are they going to spend it all now?
flapgreen
Footballguy
Might can get Waters for cheap too.Since they really tried for Colon, maybe they will try for Blalock.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Really? This confuses me. I think Barber is a good backup for most any team to have. But I am having a hard time seeing how he fits into a Martz system. Now, if this was the Bears pre-Martz, I would think this was absolute great fit and wonderful signing. He just is not a Martz system guy and that makes me a bit on theGreat signing Barber as backup.
side.ETA: It seems to me to be like signing Taylor and then never using the guy.
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flapgreen
Footballguy
Kruetz unlikely to re-sign Clayton is saying. I hope we have a replacement on deck.
http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/6819555/olin-kreutz-chicago-bears-deal-not-likely-happen-agent-says
http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/6819555/olin-kreutz-chicago-bears-deal-not-likely-happen-agent-says
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flapgreen
Footballguy
Who else was out there to sign as backup? I'm saying he's going to be great, but we need a backup from somewhere and Taylor was scheduled to make more than 2.5.Really? This confuses me. I think Barber is a good backup for most any team to have. But I am having a hard time seeing how he fits into a Martz system. Now, if this was the Bears pre-Martz, I would think this was absolute great fit and wonderful signing. He just is not a Martz system guy and that makes me a bit on theGreat signing Barber as backup.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
That is a good signing.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
They signed Barber at a 2 year $5 Mill contract.... ???? Not seeing the money angle here.Who else was out there to sign as backup? I'm saying he's going to be great, but we need a backup from somewhere and Taylor was scheduled to make more than 2.5.Really? This confuses me. I think Barber is a good backup for most any team to have. But I am having a hard time seeing how he fits into a Martz system. Now, if this was the Bears pre-Martz, I would think this was absolute great fit and wonderful signing. He just is not a Martz system guy and that makes me a bit on theGreat signing Barber as backup.
