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2011 Oakland Raiders In-Season Thread (2 Viewers)

This is pretty freaking good tho:

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest

According to Maximum Sports Management, Oakland defensive lineman Richard Seymour is handling the cost of a camp being billed as an Oakland Raiders’ team passing camp.

It will be held next Tuesday-Friday at Competitive Edge Sports in Duluth, Ga. A lot of Oakland’s players are in the East or South and the location is centrally located. The news release said Seymour will be in charge of the defense and quarterback Jason Campbell will lead the offense. It also said the on-field drills will include weight lifting, swimming and nutritional counseling. Essentially, this is a minicamp for the players on their own during the lockout.

Teams are working out in pockets throughout the league. But this four-day program is impressive. This is different than a bunch of guys throwing the ball around on a high school field. It appears this camp will be professional and supervised. The only thing missing will be the Oakland coaching staff.

The news release noted that Seymour invited his teammates to the workout in an email. It opened this way: “Men, I hope everyone is well and is staying in shape because we are going to out-work everyone we face this season, and it starts right now in the offseason.”

Again, every team in the NFL is working out, but this seems to be taking it a step further. The Raiders’ brass has to be thrilled. Once the lockout finally ends, this four-day camaraderie builder should give the Raiders a head start.

 
So in reading the latest embarrassing story about Raider attendance/tickets, etc (http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/27640/coachticket-hawkers-in-oakland), I realized that we re-hired Bresnahan.

Crap.
Oh yeah. Don't be too optimistic about the D this year. Al will never give up that side of the ball. That said, he has accumulated a lot of beasts on that side, even if Nnamdi leaves. Loving the depth and quality of the DL and I'm hopefully McClain will look better in his 2nd year. But same old boring predictable play calling that leaves all the beasts at the mercy of creative OCs. Single high safety on most downs with the four man rush and the prevent shell whenever leading.That said, I'm optimistic that Huge Action can lead the offense to a ton of points again this season. That guy is a stud play caller and I love his offense because it makes use of all offensive players as weapons from RB to TE to FB. I've wanted Al Saunders on the Raiders for years b/c he uses the same offensive approach and now we have him too. If they find a true WR1 to carry the passing game this could be an explosive offensive unit - they were #6 in the league last year w/out one. A lot of that also depends on Campbell and that's suspect of course at this point, but I'm optimistic about him too. This will be only the first (maybe second) time that he's had the same OC from one year to the next in his entire career, including college! I'm willing to give him some slack, especially since he played much better late last year. I love our RBs and Jacoby Ford is a force. OL needs seasoning, but maybe they'll add an FA to help.

 
This is pretty freaking good tho:http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwestAccording to Maximum Sports Management, Oakland defensive lineman Richard Seymour is handling the cost of a camp being billed as an Oakland Raiders’ team passing camp.It will be held next Tuesday-Friday at Competitive Edge Sports in Duluth, Ga. A lot of Oakland’s players are in the East or South and the location is centrally located. The news release said Seymour will be in charge of the defense and quarterback Jason Campbell will lead the offense. It also said the on-field drills will include weight lifting, swimming and nutritional counseling. Essentially, this is a minicamp for the players on their own during the lockout.Teams are working out in pockets throughout the league. But this four-day program is impressive. This is different than a bunch of guys throwing the ball around on a high school field. It appears this camp will be professional and supervised. The only thing missing will be the Oakland coaching staff.The news release noted that Seymour invited his teammates to the workout in an email. It opened this way: “Men, I hope everyone is well and is staying in shape because we are going to out-work everyone we face this season, and it starts right now in the offseason.”Again, every team in the NFL is working out, but this seems to be taking it a step further. The Raiders’ brass has to be thrilled. Once the lockout finally ends, this four-day camaraderie builder should give the Raiders a head start.
Best first round pick in a long time by Al. :thumbup:
 
So in reading the latest embarrassing story about Raider attendance/tickets, etc (http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/27640/coachticket-hawkers-in-oakland), I realized that we re-hired Bresnahan.

Crap.
Oh yeah. Don't be too optimistic about the D this year. Al will never give up that side of the ball. That said, he has accumulated a lot of beasts on that side, even if Nnamdi leaves. Loving the depth and quality of the DL and I'm hopefully McClain will look better in his 2nd year. But same old boring predictable play calling that leaves all the beasts at the mercy of creative OCs. Single high safety on most downs with the four man rush and the prevent shell whenever leading.That said, I'm optimistic that Huge Action can lead the offense to a ton of points again this season. That guy is a stud play caller and I love his offense because it makes use of all offensive players as weapons from RB to TE to FB. I've wanted Al Saunders on the Raiders for years b/c he uses the same offensive approach and now we have him too. If they find a true WR1 to carry the passing game this could be an explosive offensive unit - they were #6 in the league last year w/out one. A lot of that also depends on Campbell and that's suspect of course at this point, but I'm optimistic about him too. This will be only the first (maybe second) time that he's had the same OC from one year to the next in his entire career, including college! I'm willing to give him some slack, especially since he played much better late last year. I love our RBs and Jacoby Ford is a force. OL needs seasoning, but maybe they'll add an FA to help.
I will always feel that our defense has to have better players to be a great defense, that we are never going to out-scheme anyone. We've been running the same ####### D since 1985. I feel like Marshall probably got fired for being too much of his own man, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he said, "screw it, I am blitzing this week", and pissed off Big Al. Whereas I think Bres is a toady that won't ever be his own man.
 
The biggest problem I had with the defensive scheme was they used to keep going back to the prevent defense game after game after game when they had the lead. They finally seem to going away from it, but it sure took a lot of last quarter losses for old Al to learn that doesnt work anymore.

Our run defense has been horrendous for over a decade except when we've had great tacklers like Romo and Woodson along with a decent offense that wont put you behind all the time. The offense should improve and we got some good tacklers on the line now but I'm still concerned about the middle and secondary. Mitchell is a hard hitter and I really hope he gets more comfortable and starts this year. Free safety likely to be Huff, Branch, or Eugene... that's still a problem. McClain needs to step up this year. We could sure use a true tackling linebacker in there.

Al Davis has always spent high draft picks and spent big money on FA cornerbacks because he knows how important they are when you play man to man coverage. The pass D in our system works great with quality corners until you go into prevent mode.

 
'massraider said:
Well buddy, I don't know how well u remember, but if u don't like to prevent defense , then u gonna hate Bresnahan.
He had Romotackle, Charles Woodson, and Rod Woodson last time he coached our defense. Best of all, he had Gannon and one of league's best offenses to save his rear end when he let the lead slip away. Yes, Bresnahan is overrated. I like having Woodson on the staff though.
 
WIth all the uncertainty around what teams/players are doing this offseason, you have to be happy to see this from Seymour's camp in Atlanta.

 
Buchanon 2.0?

Speed jumps out at you. But the frame and stick legs concern. At the pro level, to be a good DB, you need to be either a physical thug who disrupts the WR's patterns off the snap. (WR's hate this more than anything). Or you need to have speed and mirror the play. And there a handful of CB's on the planet who get by on mirroring and ball instincts. Senior production of only 2 int's concerns also. Got anyhing on Chekwa?
 
Anyone else worried about how the labor negotiations are going to impact Oakland's ability to protect players from becoming UFAs? Specifically 4 year players (Bush/Miller) becoming UFAs.

 
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Not really. It makes it so a team can no longer put a high tender on a player in order to trade them. So we wouldnt be able to get any compensation now for Bush for example if we were considering trading him. There will be a bigger pool of FAs for everybody to go after including us. So really it doesnt matter much. Just means more player turnover for every team in the league.

Miller will get a long term contract soon after free agency begins. Satele should be let go anyway. Higgins is on the bubble anyways. Ricky Brown will likely be resigned. I think Bush would be the only significant loss but that's over 3 million we could use somewhere else and there are certainly bigger needs on this team. I think a couple other backup players are affected but that's about it. Its practically just Bush.

Al Davis signing more guys early than other NFL teams keeps looking like a smarter and smarter move the longer this drags out.

 
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Not really. It makes it so a team can no longer put a high tender on a player in order to trade them. So we wouldnt be able to get any compensation now for Bush for example if we were considering trading him. There will be a bigger pool of FAs for everybody to go after including us. So really it doesnt matter much. Just means more player turnover for every team in the league.Miller will get a long term contract soon after free agency begins. Satele should be let go anyway. Higgins is on the bubble anyways. I think Bush would be the only significant loss but that's over 3 million we could use somewhere else and there are certainly bigger needs on this team. I think a couple other backup players are affected but that's about it. Its practically just Bush. Al Davis signing more guys early than other NFL teams keeps looking like a smarter and smarter move the longer this drags out.
I agree that Zach Miller will be a wealthy man when Al Davis re-signs in FA. I think Satele should be re-signed because we don't know if Wiz II is ready for the starting job on day #1. Higgins is out of here. Agreed. Bush may be lost to FA, but that could open up room for TJ to get more touches. Al did overpay to keep his guys, and time will tell if they were good moves, but when the wild FA period finally opens, Al Davis will ahead of the curve as teams will eventually end up overpaying to get the prime FA's. So in the end, it may be that Al by overpaying outsmarted them all.
 
While other teams are starting negotiations with their FAs, most of ours will already be in camp with the rest of the team. The media wont give Davis the props but I will.

 
'Garrett said:
Anyone else worried about how the labor negotiations are going to impact Oakland's ability to protect players from becoming UFAs? Specifically 4 year players (Bush/Miller) becoming UFAs.
Not worried about Miller. Al will pay him to keep him. I'm a little worried about Bush though because he could be offered starter money to go elswhere. I love Bush and he is an excellent change of pace back and can fill in great if McFadden were to go down. I would be extremely worried if Taiwan Jones was our main backup if McFadden went down. Don't get me wrong I like what Taiwan Jones could bring but he is unproven at this point.
 
I think Bush is not as highly valued in the NFL as he is in dynasty leagues, ya feel me?
There are a few starting gigs out there and I'm sure he will get some looks. I think he is more valued then your giving him credit for. That being said if Al Davis wants him bad enough he will sign him.
 
Adam Caplan@evansilva @2bBigE : According to NFLPA records, Bush has 3 years of service after 2010 season. So he'll be a RFA barring the NFL saying something diff after the lockout.

http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/caplannfl/~GJp0o

I don't see Bush going anywhere since he's tendered at a 1st and 3rd rd pick for a RFA.
The first and third tender may not be in the mix after the next CBA is finalized.
Four years for UFAs would free Miller, Bush

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer

Tuesday, June 21st, 2011 at 1:13 pm in Oakland Raiders.

It’s only one of dozens of reports sure to surface as players and owners inch toward a collective bargaining agreement, but if ESPN’s Adam Schefter is correct (via PFT) Zach Miller and Michael Bush could be in for newfound riches.

Schefter is reporting unrestricted free agency could be restored to four years, as it was before the 2010 season.

That means Miller and Bush would be be on the open market and go to the highest bidder rather than be tied to the Raiders with the first- and third-round tenders which were given before the work stoppage.

It would likely mean a lot more to Miller than to Bush.

Even if both are UFAs, Raiders owner Al Davis is know for writing huge checks for players he wants to keep, and the tenders applied to each man were a tip-off they are valued by the organization.

Curious to see what Bush’s value would be on the open market, given that he has had some big games as the lead back in the absence of Darren McFadden but hasn’t carried the load for a protracted amount of time in any season. If a team were to give Bush a huge offer, the Raiders are extremely deep at running back with McFadden, rookie Taiwan Jones and veterans Rock Cartwright and Michael Bennett on the roster.

M. Bush could be UFA after new CBA
 
I think Miller is the big prize and I wouldn't be shocked to see him get a bank breaker contract, and possibly by someone other than crazy Al.

 
What Hoss is reffering to is that the rules might only credit Bush for 3 years instead of 4 because he spent his rookie year on IR and didnt play at all.

Just wait for the rules to come out. I'm not concerned either way. Bush is a good player but he'll be expensive to sign restricted or not. We'll have one of the more expensive backfields in the league if we keep him. I'd give several of our other players priority over Bush and a few outside FA possibilities as well.

 
I think Bush is not as highly valued in the NFL as he is in dynasty leagues, ya feel me?
SD really wanted him last season. I think he has perhaps more value in real NFL than in fantasy. He is at a minimum a short yardage and goalline back who can fill in for a starter, and at best, he is quite capable of being a four down back. I think if he is a Free Agent and not a RFA, Oakland will have a hard time keeping him.
 
Adam Caplan@evansilva @2bBigE : According to NFLPA records, Bush has 3 years of service after 2010 season. So he'll be a RFA barring the NFL saying something diff after the lockout.http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/caplannfl/~GJp0oI don't see Bush going anywhere since he's tendered at a 1st and 3rd rd pick for a RFA.
That's not at all clear. He has four years of NFL service. It depends on whether they count his first year when he was on injured reserve. I am not a lawyer, but if he contests it, I suspect he wins that court case.
 
Adam Caplan@evansilva @2bBigE : According to NFLPA records, Bush has 3 years of service after 2010 season. So he'll be a RFA barring the NFL saying something diff after the lockout.http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/caplannfl/~GJp0oI don't see Bush going anywhere since he's tendered at a 1st and 3rd rd pick for a RFA.
That's not at all clear. He has four years of NFL service. It depends on whether they count his first year when he was on injured reserve. I am not a lawyer, but if he contests it, I suspect he wins that court case.
The new CBA is being negotiated right now. He wont have to hire a lawyer. All he can do is call the union rep. He can blame the NFLPA if he isnt given credit. If he even cares.
 
Campbell's deep ball is terrible, so he'll never be highly productive in the Raiders system. Aikman pointed it out and it's true, Campbell's deep ball is too flat so it doesn't allow the WR time to run under it. In his last few years with the Redskins, he'd miss a wide open Santana Moss 2-3 times a game due to his terrible deep ball.

Campbell ranked 15th in yards-per-completion out of 33 QBs with over 200+ pass attempts.

And he ranked 27th out of 31 QBs for passing for first downs.

PFF shows that Campbell ranked 27 out of 31 QBs for completion % for passes over 20+ yards with 27.45%.

"the Raiders have the fastest receivers in the NFL. They'll chase anything down." Obviously they don't.

Campbell was 9th of 31 QBs for Deep Attempt %, so it can't be argued the deep ball wasn't a big part of the Raiders game.

Campbell had the 3rd highest interception % on deep passes of the 31 QBs.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/10/going-deep/

It's solid proof that the deep ball is a big part of the Raiders scheme, yet they have one of the worst deep passers in the NFL, his inaccuracy and INTs when throwing deep make him a terrible fit for the Raiders.

Good call Aikman!

There is a bright side, Vince Young will be a FA and the PFF article shows he is a very good deep passer. The Raiders should pursue Young heavily.

 
Campbell's deep ball is terrible, so he'll never be highly productive in the Raiders system. Aikman pointed it out and it's true, Campbell's deep ball is too flat so it doesn't allow the WR time to run under it. In his last few years with the Redskins, he'd miss a wide open Santana Moss 2-3 times a game due to his terrible deep ball.Campbell ranked 15th in yards-per-completion out of 33 QBs with over 200+ pass attempts.And he ranked 27th out of 31 QBs for passing for first downs.PFF shows that Campbell ranked 27 out of 31 QBs for completion % for passes over 20+ yards with 27.45%."the Raiders have the fastest receivers in the NFL. They'll chase anything down." Obviously they don't.Campbell was 9th of 31 QBs for Deep Attempt %, so it can't be argued the deep ball wasn't a big part of the Raiders game.Campbell had the 3rd highest interception % on deep passes of the 31 QBs.http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/10/going-deep/It's solid proof that the deep ball is a big part of the Raiders scheme, yet they have one of the worst deep passers in the NFL, his inaccuracy and INTs when throwing deep make him a terrible fit for the Raiders.Good call Aikman!There is a bright side, Vince Young will be a FA and the PFF article shows he is a very good deep passer. The Raiders should pursue Young heavily.
The list of deep throwers headlines Peyton Manning with the most deep throws in the NFL, but his completion percentage ranks him as 22nd. Alternatively, Vince Young has the best deep throw completion percentage, on roughly ¼ of the attempted passes by Peyton Manning. Any list that attempts to use any statistical analysis breaks down when you compare a Peyton Manning to a Vince Young. All the numbers don’t mean squat in the face of that comparison. No GM or armchair GM would trade a Manning for Young. That being said, no one will argue that Jason Campbell is anything but an ordinary NFL QB. But let’s also acknowledge his above average completion percentage, his mobility in the pocket, and ability to find the outlet receiver when he gets in trouble. Which can also be frustrating to see him checkdown in the face of phantom pressure, but it moves the chains. I’ll also acknowledge that Campbell doesn’t have the prettiest deep ball, but at least some of the blame has to go to the inconsistent wideouts who run poor routes and can’t get separation, or poor hands and “alligator arms”. Campbell zips a flat ball many times because he lacks trust with his receivers. He needs to know that he can put some air under the ball and the receiver will be able to fend off the DB if it is underthrown. It makes the long pass a low percentage throw, because it is inherently a conservative throw, (i.e., one that can’t be picked). His pass protection has been very poor at times, and some of those throws are really throw-aways, and that skews the percentage as well. He’s had to scramble out of broken protection too many times, and for long late passes to work, a combination of: (1) the perfect throw, (2) a receiver who has a great chemistry with the QB, and (3) timing have to be spot on. Campbell is a QB that thrives behind a solid run game. Give him that, and he is a good efficient component of the offense. When the ground game is working, he makes the throws that need to be made, and avoids the ones he shouldn’t. When the ground game is not working, you will see the worst of Jason Campbell. In that sense, he is a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. He certainly is not elite, and cannot carry any team with his play. At best, he is just good enough to be a game manager that facilitates the true offensive weapons to gauge a defense. At worst, he is an anchor to the offense, and sinks them with costly turnovers and field position blunders. There’s a real need for a good backup QB for the Raiders. Kyle Boller isn’t it. Unfortunately, there aren’t many good available QB’s out there in free agency. Or let’s just say that the list is uninspiring. Jason Campbell is at least an average, competent field general, and he has the tools in place to lead this team to the playoffs. He gives the Raiders a fighting chance, in the face of other teams who actually have franchise QB’s. He is highly underrated for what he does, and his criticisms go too far.
 
I stated earlier in this thread that I believe Campbell throws a little better deep ball than Vince Young. I stand by that argument. As usual, its foolish to think that stats are a true measure of a player's ability.

Vince Young is much better at escaping the rush and buying time to throw. This allows his receivers more time to get open. If you watched Vince Young his deep throw was often to a wide open target. His accurracy is not that good. I like Vince Young and would love to see him a Raider but not at the expense of yet another QB contraversy. Its hard to say at this point who the better QB is. Campbell's contract tells me the Raiders are going to give him 2011 to prove himself. If Campbell fails and Young only signs somewhere for one season, yes we should go after him. I'm not worried about missing the chance at getting Young though because Vince still has an abundance of weaknesses to work on before being considered a franchise QB. There are new prospects with just as much hope every year. Young may or may not work out this year but he'd definately create another year of contraversy in Oakland. The musical chairs need to stop so this young team can grow.

Looking at Campbell's 2010 stats is foolish. He had to make quick throws due to poor pass protection. He also had probably the youngest group of WRs in the NFL to throw to. WRs that arent known for good hands or ability to fight for the football. In Washington, he had one reliable deep threat and Campbell got the ball to Moss deep frequently. In Washington, they wanted him and taught him to play conservative with his throws early in his career. His low interception numbers reflect that. Throwing deep just because that is what the Raiders do isnt the answer. The offensive line and wide receivers need to step up, as does Campbell. 2010 is not an accurate reflection of Jason's Campbell's career. Realize that, and let's see what he can do in 2011.

Boller as a backup is just fine. Oakland doesnt need another veteran. We have 2 veterans already... Campbell and Boller. A young developmental player would be a lot cheaper and there's always the chance of him being the next Tom Brady.

 
It was 4 years ago that Aikman pointed out that Campbell's deep ball is too flat. Since then I've made a point of watching if he developed touch on his ball since I had him and Santana Moss on my dynasty team. He never did, he'd have a wide open Moss running down the field and the ball would bounce off the turf several yards in front of Moss because it lacked the arch for the WR to run under it. It's Campbell's inability to make that adjustment in an essential part of his game that makes me think he'll never improve. How hard is it to learn to add a little more arch to the ball, shouldn't that develop through film study and reps with receivers?

Campbell has had more opportunity and Moss & Cooley were better targets than Young had to throw to. Britt came on last season, but the Raiders group of WR/TE is a lot better as a whole than the Titans group. I think Young could do more with them than Campbell. Young, I think hasn't been given the best opportunity to succeed, Fisher didn't seem to do much to develop Young even though he would get wins when compared to Collins. Young takes some blame as he didn't seem to do what was needed to convince his coaches he should be the starter and he was hurt quite a bit too. It's too early to consider Young another Jamarcus Russell.

Yes, a rookie could be the next Brady. Since there's a season till the next draft, sign Young to a 1yr contract and see if he can win the job. If he can't win the start or does win it but is only slightly better than Campbell then the Raiders can go into 2012 draft with QB on their list of needs.

 
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The eternal optimist in me thinks that bringing in serious competition for Campbell would be dysfunctional, in the sense that he is not a guy who seems that confident in himself to begin with. I might be making broad assumptions, but he clearly seemed more comfortable all around with his role and even in game once Gradkowski was hurt and out of the picture.

Jason finished up those final 5 games with 6 TDs, 2 INTS, and 0 fumbles. Push out that efficiency over a full season and you have an ideal game manager for a run heavy team. I think the big play concept (the Al Davis deep ball) has to be reconsidered with Jason. Jason's job is to efficiently manage the offense and not turn the ball over; his big play ball is not the deep spiral throw. It is wearing a team out with a strong run game and consistent small gains, then getting the ball in space to DHB, McFadden, and Ford for the big gainer. This combination of players is much more likely to go 50+ yards on a 7 yard screen than a 50 yards in the air bomb.

So that is my homer/optimist slant on Campbell.

My gut tells me that he is a sub par NFL QB, and the best thing Oakland can do as a franchise is figure out as soon as possible how to get an above average QB. The ultimate goal for any team is to win a Super Bowl, not achieve .500 seasons. I hope I am completely wrong about that, but I expect we will find out either way this season.

 
The eternal optimist in me thinks that bringing in serious competition for Campbell would be dysfunctional, in the sense that he is not a guy who seems that confident in himself to begin with. I might be making broad assumptions, but he clearly seemed more comfortable all around with his role and even in game once Gradkowski was hurt and out of the picture.Jason finished up those final 5 games with 6 TDs, 2 INTS, and 0 fumbles. Push out that efficiency over a full season and you have an ideal game manager for a run heavy team. I think the big play concept (the Al Davis deep ball) has to be reconsidered with Jason. Jason's job is to efficiently manage the offense and not turn the ball over; his big play ball is not the deep spiral throw. It is wearing a team out with a strong run game and consistent small gains, then getting the ball in space to DHB, McFadden, and Ford for the big gainer. This combination of players is much more likely to go 50+ yards on a 7 yard screen than a 50 yards in the air bomb.So that is my homer/optimist slant on Campbell.My gut tells me that he is a sub par NFL QB, and the best thing Oakland can do as a franchise is figure out as soon as possible how to get an above average QB. The ultimate goal for any team is to win a Super Bowl, not achieve .500 seasons. I hope I am completely wrong about that, but I expect we will find out either way this season.
How would you feel about grabbing Pryor with a supplemental?He seems like potentially a good fit for Oakland as he wouldn't be a threat to Campbell in 2011 but he has some upside for 2012 and beyond. As a guy who has watched a lot of Pryor, the underestimated impact he has on the game is in the respect opposing DEs have to give him. They have to stay outside even on run plays because if Pryor fakes the handoff and bootlegs, he has legit 4.3 speed. I think he'd really help McFadden out if he ever got a chance in Oakland.
 
I have no problem with spending a late round pick to get Pryor. Remember we already gave away our second round pick for Barksdale so let's not give away another high pick. A 5th or 6th round pick would be ok. He'd be a cheap developemental player and that's what I'd like to see for our third QB assuming there is a salary cap. Not sure he'd even make the roster as a 3rd QB but he could compete for that with another youngster and may compete elsewhere if it doesnt look like he'll make it at QB. Am I excited about Pryor? No, but he's as good a gamble at QB as anybody else at that price range with simuliar potential at another position. Question is what will be the cost? If someone else wants to spend a higher pick let them have him.

 
We traded our 2012 4th round pick for Jason Campbell and our 2012 2nd round pick for the 2011 pick that got us Barksdale. Without some other trade, giveing up our third round pick would leave us without a second, third, or fourth round pick in 2012. I cant think of anybody currently signed that we would/could trade for that high a pick. We could trade down in next year's draft but then we wouldnt have a first round pick.

 
Does anyone here actually want Huff to return?

He has definitely made some big plays, but he has given up even more big plays.

 
The eternal optimist in me thinks that bringing in serious competition for Campbell would be dysfunctional, in the sense that he is not a guy who seems that confident in himself to begin with. I might be making broad assumptions, but he clearly seemed more comfortable all around with his role and even in game once Gradkowski was hurt and out of the picture.Jason finished up those final 5 games with 6 TDs, 2 INTS, and 0 fumbles. Push out that efficiency over a full season and you have an ideal game manager for a run heavy team. I think the big play concept (the Al Davis deep ball) has to be reconsidered with Jason. Jason's job is to efficiently manage the offense and not turn the ball over; his big play ball is not the deep spiral throw. It is wearing a team out with a strong run game and consistent small gains, then getting the ball in space to DHB, McFadden, and Ford for the big gainer. This combination of players is much more likely to go 50+ yards on a 7 yard screen than a 50 yards in the air bomb.So that is my homer/optimist slant on Campbell.My gut tells me that he is a sub par NFL QB, and the best thing Oakland can do as a franchise is figure out as soon as possible how to get an above average QB. The ultimate goal for any team is to win a Super Bowl, not achieve .500 seasons. I hope I am completely wrong about that, but I expect we will find out either way this season.
How would you feel about grabbing Pryor with a supplemental?He seems like potentially a good fit for Oakland as he wouldn't be a threat to Campbell in 2011 but he has some upside for 2012 and beyond. As a guy who has watched a lot of Pryor, the underestimated impact he has on the game is in the respect opposing DEs have to give him. They have to stay outside even on run plays because if Pryor fakes the handoff and bootlegs, he has legit 4.3 speed. I think he'd really help McFadden out if he ever got a chance in Oakland.
I would be excited to have him, if the price was right. I agree he has more NFL qb potential than he is getting credit for right now. I would rather have Pryor than Tebow as a prospect.
 
Does anyone here actually want Huff to return?He has definitely made some big plays, but he has given up even more big plays.
Mitchell should be ready to start at SS. Having Branch and Eugene compete at FS would likely give us simuliar production to what Huff provided there. I wont miss him.I read somewhere that some rule and Huff's contract would cost us over 6 million to retain him (before becoming an UFA). Huff aint worth half that much. Huff wants to come back but the money will be better spent elsewhere. Davis is letting his underperforming former first round picks like Russell and Gallery go for good reason. Our cap situation wont be known until the new CBA is out, RFAs are factored in, and high priced vets are cut. Aso's price tag wont be known until free agency is underway. If Aso leaves and we can somehow resign Huff for 3m I'd then be ok with him returning. Definately not a priority and I expect another team to make him a better offer anyway.Priority signings include Miller, Aso (try anyway), Barnes or M Henderson, Marcel Reece, Bush, and Ricky Brown. Yeah, Huff is pretty far down on my list.
 
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I am really, really excited to have this team in Hue's hands. I think he's a bright and clever guy. :thumbup:
I agree with your thoughts on Hue, but what scares me a great deal this season is the defense. I think last season we finally saw some flexibility in the scheme in regards to mixing things up and blitzing to create pressure. Davis is pretty well known for letting his head coach run the offense, but I have heard time and time again that he gets more involved on the defensive side. I don't really have any indication that Hue has ever been involved on the defensive side of the ball, and I am scared to see what Bresnahan and Davis come up with scheme wise (especially with Asomougha likely gone).
 
Undrafted FAs signed

Sterling Moore (CB, SMU)

Alan Pelc (OL, North Carolina)

Mason Brodine (DE, Nebraska-Kearney)

Chris Francis (LB, Baylor)

Ben Lamaak (OL, Iowa State)

Derrick Jones (WR, California (PA))

Ben Gbadyu (OLB, Penn State)

Eddie McGee (WR/QB, Illinois)

Lou Eliades (OL, Penn State)

Zac Etheridge (S, Auburn)

Jordan La Secla (QB, San Jose State)

James McCluskey (FB, Boston College)

Steven Goulet (WR, Ohio)

Lamaak is a versatile lineman who played center his senior year but can also play G. Even played at RT and LT in college, TE and QB in high school. I suspected we'd bring in a veteran C/G if Satele leaves. We might also cut Carlisle. I hope this kid makes the team.

 
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Going to see what I can find on these UDFA's, but this team this year is all about the offense. The defense is playoff caliber, if the O can score some points. It's not a great defense. But the pass rush is there, and they have depth. It's just not good enough to carry this team to 9-7 or better.

Hue and Saunders are respected, can they show the most offensive imagination since Callahan? We need to find a RT, and the line needs to provide a good push every week. This team needs to hide Campbell, until he gets some confidence. The coaches need to get DMC in space, more than ever. They need to use Miller a lot, and more of Reece to keep Campbell upright. They need to pick their spots to break Ford. And they need DHB, Chaz, or Lou to develop into THE guy.

I want to see Campbell just having to make quick decisions, knowing his keys, and not having to sit back, watching stuff. Just 1st read, 2nd read, dump off. They really, really need to avoid negative plays, because we don't want JC in 3rd and 15+.

Oh, man, gotta tell you guys this story. Bunch of Redskin staff was in Aspen last week, Snyder has a house here, and they came into the restaurant, wearing the gear, and without really checking them out, I walked over and said, 'Hey, I'm a Raiders fan and just wanted to say, 'thanks for nothing with Jason Campbell'.

They laughed, no biggie, one of them says, "Sorry about that", and I look down, and there's little Danny himself, laughing.

 
Gaither, Goldson and Gradkowski oh myBy Steve CorkranTuesday, July 26th, 2011 at 10:25 pm in Oakland Raiders.On what qualified as a less-than-spectacular start to free agency, several former and hope-to-be Raiders made news by night’s end.NFL.com reported that the Raiders are negotiating with Baltimore Ravens offensive tackle Jared Gaither and 49ers safety Dashon Goldson.Elsewhere, former Raiders offensive lineman Robert Gallery reportedly is fielding offers from the Seattle Seahawks and Cincinnati Bengals. It’s conceivable that Gallery could be reunited with former Raiders quarterback Bruce Gradkowski in Cincinnati, given the Bengals are speaking with Gradkowski’s agent, according to ESPN.The Raiders made it clear to Gallery during the offseason that they have no interest in paying him what top guards command. Gradkowski was favored by former Raiders coach Tom Cable over current quarterback Jason Campbell last season. Campbell finished out the season as a result of Gradkowski suffering a separated shoulder.Goldson started all 16 games each of the past two seasons. He had one interception last season and four in 2009. He would give the Raiders another viable candidate to replace free safety Michael Huff, who is an unrestricted free agent.Gaither, 6-feet-9 and 340 pounds, missed last season with a back injury. He started 26 games at left offensive tackle in 2008-09. If signed by the Raiders, they could play him at either left or right tackle, with Jared Veldheer manning the opposite tackle spot.
 
Despite injuries and work ethic concerns Oakland seems interested to know if...Gaither can be Good Raider fans who've drooled over the thought of Big Jared Gaither coming to Oakland may get their wish.Sources report the 6-9, 340 lb behemoth was contacted by Oakland last night and that they may be willing to make a deal for the oft injured and sometimes troubled Lineman.Despite his obvious physical attributes Gaither wasn't an immeditate choice because of academic reasons. Booted from the Maryland Terps his Junior year because of academic reasons Gaither declared for the NFL draft.Gaither was picked up by the Baltimore Ravens in the 5th round of the supplemental draft. That’s right, supplemental draft. Given his attributes and potential the Ravens looked like they'd made the steal of the decade.In pre season 2008 Gaither was declared starting Left Tackle and played surprisingly well but nagging injuries and questions about his attitude saw him lose his starting job to "The Blindside" phenom Michael Oher.Unhappy with being bumped to Right Tackle Gaither's work ethic was called further into question when he showed up at Raven's camp 30 lbs lighter. He later admitted he'd lost weight too drastically. He then suffered a back injury that saw him miss the entire 2010 season.Fortunately for Gaither he'd signed a 1 yr $2.396 million dollar deal prior to being injured and out for the year.Fortunately for the Ravens, they plugged in Guard Marshall Yanda at Right Tackle where he played so well the attitude stricken and oft injured Gaither became expendable.When the Ravens traded up for Lineman Jah Ried in the 3rd round of last years draft the writing was on the wall. Baltimore was unlikely to re-sign the talent laden but questionably motivated Gaither.Oakland has dealt with Gaither's agent Drew Rosenhaus before and he claims Gaither's thoracic disc injury in his back is 100% healed and that his client is ready to play.There is no question the Ravens were a better O line with Gaither on the field, it was just keeping him on it and limiting his damage off it that became a problem.If Oakland does sign him, Gaither, along with 2nd yr Raider Left Tackle Jared Veldheer could give the Raiders the tallest book ends in the League at 6-8 and 6-9 respectively.Gaither's the type of mauler Oakland has been missing since the Gruden era and would be a perfect fit for the Raiders "Build a Bully" project but only if they can keep him happy, healthy and on the field.In his favor, Gaither has worked with new HC Hue Jackson and new Raider OC Al Saunders before, both during their tenures in Baltimore.That means one or both of them probably signed off on pursuing the hulking Free Agent.If he joins Oakland and lives up to his potential, Running Backs Darren McFadden, Michael Bush and Taiwan Jones could combine to become one of the most feared backfields in the League.IF...
 
Man, Gaither would be nice. Not having to worry about the tackles would be a welcome change. Still like to resign Hendo.

Corkran just posted this:

Brief nuggets from players arriving in Napa

By Steve Corkran

Wednesday, July 27th, 2011 at 12:15 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Just spent two hours in the parking lot of the Napa Valley Marriott, as Raiders players and coaches made their way from all points of the Bay Area and beyond to check in for the start of training camp.

I have been assigned to track down the goings on of cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha, as reports surface that the 49ers are interested in signing the Raiders three-time Pro Bowler.

At some point, I will file a lengthy post. For now, here are some tidbits culled from interviews with more than 10 players:

Veteran Cooper Carlisle said he is under the impression that he still is the right guard. There has been talk of second-year player Bruce Campbell being inserted into the lineup at either left or right guard.

There’s still room at left guard, now that Robert Gallery reportedly has agreed to a deal with the Seattle Seahawks. Campbell said that he prefers to play offensive tackle. However, he is prepared to do whatever is asked of him by coach Hue Jackson and new offensive line coach Bob Wylie.

Wide receivers Chaz Schilens, Jacoby Ford, Darrius Heyward-Bey and Louis Murphy showed up in time for physicals and check-in. Schilens appears healthy and ready to roll.



Outside linebacker Kamerion Wimbley said his agent and the Raiders are discussing a long-term deal that would enable the Raiders to get out from under the $11.3 million slated to count against this year’s salary cap and engineer a deal that would be more cap friendly this season.

Wimbley received that figure as the Raiders franchise tag player. The Raiders conceivably could free up as much as $10.5 million in cap room this season, depending upon how a new deal is structured.

Running back Rock Cartwright was the first player off a bus load of rookies and younger players. Last year, it was veteran defensive tackle Richard Seymour.

Most players under contract were spotted at some point this morning. Still no word on whether Seymour, cornerback Stanford Routt or backup quarterback Kyle Boller are here yet. They are under contract and expected to be here at some point today.

Running back Darren McFadden arrived at 220 pounds but looking quite fit and stout. He said he is ready to play right now and has established some pretty lofty goals for this season. He said he prefers to keep those goals to himself.



Rookie offensive tackle Joseph Barksdale said he has touched down in San Francisco. That portens his signing a contract in Alameda today or real soon and making his way here. No sight or word from second-round draft pick Stefen Wisniewski.
 
Raiders sign David Ausberry (7th round pick that will be cut in about 4 weeks :mellow: ) to a deal, making him the first rookie to sign.

 

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