No way would I give up Wallace for the 1.04 or 1.05. Definitely not 1.07. I tried to trade for him in a league and the price was 'a couple of 1st rounders'.
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2011 offseason dynasty trades (1 Viewer)
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King of the Jungle
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I certainly don't think Lynch is worth the 1.04. I doubt I could get a first rounder for him in my league.
Really? I wouldn't give the 1.04 for Lynch, but I'd definitely pay a late 1st for him -- we're talking marginal prospects with the 1.11/1.12 for a starting RB. That seems to me like good value. I may go as high as the 1.08.
The joke in the league the above trade was in is that the guy who paid the 1.04 must have been replaying Lynch's epic TD run from the Saints playoff game over and over and been brainwashed into thinking that's what he'd do all next season.
Yellow Line is Unoffcial
Footballguy
I don't think he is worth any first rounder, I wouldn't give a second rouder, although he may be worth that. Looking back at last years rookie drafts I had several where I got Starks, Decker (and passed on Mike Williams DOH) and Jimmy Graham in the mid 2nd to early fourth. I would trade any of them for Lynch. This year I hink I can get at least one guy who will pan out in those rounds. I don't think lynch will do anything but get you beat.
r0llin_game
Footballguy
I like team B a lot in this deal.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I have a very similar opinion.
high floor low ceiling
Footballguy
Team A Gives Donald Brown and 2011 pick 1.08
Team B Gives DeAngelo Williams
Team B Gives DeAngelo Williams
Wow, had no idea Lynch was virtually worthless. I know 3rd rounders can pan out, but they simply don't have much value in trades.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
I'd hold Lynch before I traded him in this market. Unless there are roster restrictions that dictate otherwise. I'm in a league where we can only keep 14 vets, and even in that league, I'll keep him.
A 3rd rounder for a 24 year old starting RB is insane, I can't believe I'm reading that from some of you..
Dynasty $220 salary cap PPR IDP league:
just traded felix jones $29 and brian cushing $1 for CJ Spiller $20 and Benjarvis green Ellis $10. I'm really high on Spiller, even though he had a rough rookie year, and BJGE was a nice player last year, and i can see him continuing as the starter there.
just traded felix jones $29 and brian cushing $1 for CJ Spiller $20 and Benjarvis green Ellis $10. I'm really high on Spiller, even though he had a rough rookie year, and BJGE was a nice player last year, and i can see him continuing as the starter there.
mlball77
Footballguy
Wow, I love the side getting Brady + Briggs.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Those are two awful trades for the guy giving up Brady.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
"awful" my be a bit strong... The second trade seems kinda even. Marshall's current ADP is around mid thirties, Brady's is late thirties..
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Giving up what may be the top QB for a better than average WR who had a down year on a team without a QB is awful.
I would trade Brady for Marshall. I don't see that as awful in the slightest bit.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
If QBs only got 4 pts/TD then maybe.No Way Jose
Footballguy
Not if your other QB is Rogers(have no idea if that is true). Straight up QB to WR/RB trades are hard to value. I think Marshall had a great year with a terrible QB, big difference. I would do this trade n a heartbeat if I have another top 7 QB.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Oh come on.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I guess I look at everything dynasty in terms of how it works in Zealots since that's where I play dynasty.
Last year, Brady scored 370.50 points. Marshall got 120.70.
So even if you play in a PPR league where QBs only get 4 pts/td, that still comes out at about 300 vs 200 points.
I know that you have to look at it from a whole roster basis, and if you need a WR then you just might have to take the loss and get rid of Brady. But either way it's a loss and I think Brady's worth a lot more than just Brandon Marshall regardless of format.
Last year, Brady scored 370.50 points. Marshall got 120.70.
So even if you play in a PPR league where QBs only get 4 pts/td, that still comes out at about 300 vs 200 points.
I know that you have to look at it from a whole roster basis, and if you need a WR then you just might have to take the loss and get rid of Brady. But either way it's a loss and I think Brady's worth a lot more than just Brandon Marshall regardless of format.
I only play in zealots and my rankings are pretty much based on zealots minus the kick return points.
After checking, i have Marshall with a 41 dynasty score and Brady a 40. So with everything else being equal i would prefer MArshall, although its so close its a toss up.
I bet if you did 100 Zealots dynasty start up drafts today Marshall and Brady would end up with a very similar ADP.
After checking, i have Marshall with a 41 dynasty score and Brady a 40. So with everything else being equal i would prefer MArshall, although its so close its a toss up.
I bet if you did 100 Zealots dynasty start up drafts today Marshall and Brady would end up with a very similar ADP.
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Marshall missed 2 games this past year so total points isn't a great comparison. Plus there's also a 7 year age difference. Even QB's as great as Brady lose a lot of value when they get into their mid-30's.Edit: In a non-ppr I think Brady would be worth more, as Marshall's value is as a pass catcher and not a TD guy. Kind of like Welker, his value swings widely depending on format.
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Jason Campbell and Alex Smith scored more points than him too- would you give them up for Marshall (or Fitzgerald, since they outscored him as well)? Total points isn't the most important thing to consider when it comes to player values.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
It's not that Brady simply outscored him, it's that he outscored him by so much. And it's also that Brady outscored other QBs by a big total.I'm further of the opinion that the numbers we saw from Marshall last year are going to be the norm compared to what he put up in Denver. Miami just doesn't have a very dynamic offense. Plus their defense is better than what was in Denver so the Dolphins won't pass as much.
Now. Off I go to see if I too can get Brady for cheap.
Well, that's different (and relevant). The total points each scored is probably the least important thing that you listed here, but was the main thing you were focused on in the post I responded to.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Well it is Monday morning and it takes me a while to get revved up.
loose circuits
Footballguy
H gave up Moreno, Knowshon DEN RB; Year 2011 Draft Pick 1.04
B gave up Brown, Donald IND RB;Hart, Mike IND RB;James, Javarris IND RB; Year 2011 Draft Pick 1.02
B gave up Brown, Donald IND RB;Hart, Mike IND RB;James, Javarris IND RB; Year 2011 Draft Pick 1.02
NorrisB
Footballguy
I did the trade, I did both trades actually I acquired him first for the 1.10 than flipped him. I have Stafford, Freeman and Josh Johnson behind him, I feel Marshall is a stud top 10 WR (atleast in terms of talent) and was happy to get him at this price. Brady will be 34 this year turning 35 after the lockout just not someone I wanted to have even though Im rebuilding with this team I dont think Id target Brady under any circumstances he's too old and I dont think he'll play very long. Why would he? He's done it all.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
So Moreno and the 1.04 for the 1.02.'loose circuits said:
comfortably numb
Footballguy
I don't think Donald Brown should be discounted1.4/Morenofor1.2/Brown
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I do. He hasn't shown anything.
How many of your dynasty leagues is Brown sitting on waivers in? If he's rostered, he holds some value. If you don't like him, flip him to the Addai owner or something. Brown hasn't shown much but he's not worthless - if he was he wouldn't be rostered.
loose circuits
Footballguy
But has Moreno shown a whole lot either?I agree with you to an extent and I acquired Moreno. Although, I don't think it was lopsided by any means. Brown's upside is higher in a better offense, but Moreno has a cleared path to carries...neither have proven much thoughNeither Leshoure or Williams stepped up at the combine, so it seems there is a clear top 3 and then some distance.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Decent counter about Moreno. His stats are nearly identical to Brown's. I think the only difference is that when healthy and given the opportunity (the middle of the season last year) Moreno looked like he could be a starter.Also a good point about who is going to be picked at the 1.04.So even if it is the 1.04 and Moreno for the 1.02, that might be worth it.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Moreno has shown he is a mediocre starting RB. Brown has shown he is a mediocre COP back. That's a huge difference. Brown's upside is very neutered when a dude like Javarris can come off the milktruck and steal goalline.
Leshoure did what everyone expected him to do and has better measurables than Ingram. Williams definitely disappointed but Leshoure did about what most thought he would. Not a huge difference between him and the top 3. Bigger difference between #4 and 5, IMO.
No Way Jose
Footballguy
Team a gets Foster, Harry Douglas
Team b gets: McCoy, Pettigrew
Ppr
Team b gets: McCoy, Pettigrew
Ppr
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
I haven't read through the entire thread, but I think this trade is about as even as they come.
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Dawg Pound 69
Footballguy
Prefer Team B's side.
thurston4040
Footballguy
I'll take McCoy and Pettigrew
Team Legacy
Footballguy
1.1 is worth much more than that. Now you "might" hit on those picks, but the 1.1 is pretty much guaranteed to hit this year.
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
10 team, 1/2 ppr for WR/TE only (also, contract league with 5 year max per player)
Mike Williams (TB) - 5 yr contract, Pierre Garcon 1 yr, Owen Daniels 1 yr
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Hakeem Nicks 3 yr
Mike Williams (TB) - 5 yr contract, Pierre Garcon 1 yr, Owen Daniels 1 yr
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Hakeem Nicks 3 yr
No Way Jose
Footballguy
I like it
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Really like it.....nice work'No Way Jose said:
