2011 offseason dynasty trades (2 Viewers)

[sihaokills]

10 team non-PPR. Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D/ST, 3 Flex (QB/RB/WR/TE, max 2 QBs, 3 RBs, 4 WRs). Last season was inaugural season.

My team was #1 in points but did not win the title. My roster:

QB - Rodgers, Romo, Freeman

RB - McFadden, M. Bush, Deangelo, Stewart, Goodson, Grant, P. Thomas

WR - Calvin, Roddy, Nicks, Avery, James Jones, Tate

TE - Finley, Cook

K - Kaeding

D/ST - Giants

No 2011 rookie draft picks (traded for Finley after he got hurt last year).

The other team was the worst team in the league last year. His roster:

QB - Brees, Bradford, Cutler, McCoy

RB - Mathews, Best, Spiller, D. Brown, Portis, Woodhead

WR - Andre Johnson, Dez, Lance Moore, Randy Moss, Roy Williams

TE - Cooley, Gronkowski, Hernandez

K - J. Brown

D/ST - Jets

Has 1.1 and 2.1 rookie draft picks.

I just traded Roddy White for Ryan Mathews. I figured with Calvin and Nicks still to start at WR, I could shore up my RB position, plus I could sell

the soon to be 30 year old White at his highest point while buying low on the 24 year old Mathews. I figure in non-PPR Mathews may outscore White as soon as this year, and definitely will outscore him over the next three years and beyond.

Thoughts?

I don't get why???

With 3 flex positions it's not that bad.Ideally the flex will be filled with 3 solid rb's who can get 1,600 total yards/10+ td's. Mathews could easily become that type. Roddy is great but if he can afford it and wants to shoot to be dominant it's a decent risk. Also roddy is almost 30 so it isn't like he's giving up a Calvin type who could be dominant for 8+ more years.

Here is my thinking.1. White scored 201.2 fantasy points in my league's scoring system last year. I view that as a career year. I expect him to decline somewhat this year and moreso next year and beyond as Jones gets more targets

2. Mathews was a rookie dealing with a high ankle sprain last year that led him to miss 4 games and be less than 100% in other games. Still, projecting his production from last year to 16 games results in 904/9 rushing and 193/0 receiving... that's 164 fantasy points. However, that rushing production is only based on 211 carries; I feel pretty certain that Mathews will get at least 240 carries... which could translate to more than 1000 rushing yards. And his 22 catches last year were with Sproles (59 catches) on the roster... he should be good for 40 catches this year... even at his pedestrian 6.6 ypr rate from last year, that is more than 250 receiving yars. So... 1250 total yards and 9 TDs is conservative but is 179 fantasy points... odds are that is comparable or better than White this year.

3. White is about to turn 30, and Mathews has just turned 24.

4. I can start 2 QBs (Rodgers and Romo), 3 RBs (3 of McFadden, Stewart, Deangelo, Mathews), and 2 WRs (Calvin, Nicks) [plus Finley, Kaeding, and Giants or waiver D/ST]. So I'm thinking I'm a contender this year without White and I am better off beyond this year.

I don't post all this to say I have all the answers, but rather to explain my thinking... interested in other opinions.

I like your reasons but White is worth more than Matthew no matter what situation

 

[moderated]

10 team non-PPR. Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D/ST, 3 Flex (QB/RB/WR/TE, max 2 QBs, 3 RBs, 4 WRs). Last season was inaugural season.

My team was #1 in points but did not win the title. My roster:

QB - Rodgers, Romo, Freeman

RB - McFadden, M. Bush, Deangelo, Stewart, Goodson, Grant, P. Thomas

WR - Calvin, Roddy, Nicks, Avery, James Jones, Tate

TE - Finley, Cook

K - Kaeding

D/ST - Giants

No 2011 rookie draft picks (traded for Finley after he got hurt last year).

The other team was the worst team in the league last year. His roster:

QB - Brees, Bradford, Cutler, McCoy

RB - Mathews, Best, Spiller, D. Brown, Portis, Woodhead

WR - Andre Johnson, Dez, Lance Moore, Randy Moss, Roy Williams

TE - Cooley, Gronkowski, Hernandez

K - J. Brown

D/ST - Jets

Has 1.1 and 2.1 rookie draft picks.

I just traded Roddy White for Ryan Mathews. I figured with Calvin and Nicks still to start at WR, I could shore up my RB position, plus I could sell

the soon to be 30 year old White at his highest point while buying low on the 24 year old Mathews. I figure in non-PPR Mathews may outscore White as soon as this year, and definitely will outscore him over the next three years and beyond.

Thoughts?

I don't get why???

With 3 flex positions it's not that bad.Ideally the flex will be filled with 3 solid rb's who can get 1,600 total yards/10+ td's. Mathews could easily become that type. Roddy is great but if he can afford it and wants to shoot to be dominant it's a decent risk. Also roddy is almost 30 so it isn't like he's giving up a Calvin type who could be dominant for 8+ more years.

Here is my thinking.1. White scored 201.2 fantasy points in my league's scoring system last year. I view that as a career year. I expect him to decline somewhat this year and moreso next year and beyond as Jones gets more targets

2. Mathews was a rookie dealing with a high ankle sprain last year that led him to miss 4 games and be less than 100% in other games. Still, projecting his production from last year to 16 games results in 904/9 rushing and 193/0 receiving... that's 164 fantasy points. However, that rushing production is only based on 211 carries; I feel pretty certain that Mathews will get at least 240 carries... which could translate to more than 1000 rushing yards. And his 22 catches last year were with Sproles (59 catches) on the roster... he should be good for 40 catches this year... even at his pedestrian 6.6 ypr rate from last year, that is more than 250 receiving yars. So... 1250 total yards and 9 TDs is conservative but is 179 fantasy points... odds are that is comparable or better than White this year.

3. White is about to turn 30, and Mathews has just turned 24.

4. I can start 2 QBs (Rodgers and Romo), 3 RBs (3 of McFadden, Stewart, Deangelo, Mathews), and 2 WRs (Calvin, Nicks) [plus Finley, Kaeding, and Giants or waiver D/ST]. So I'm thinking I'm a contender this year without White and I am better off beyond this year.

I don't post all this to say I have all the answers, but rather to explain my thinking... interested in other opinions.

I like your reasons but White is worth more than Matthew no matter what situation

It's all league dependent. Values vary wildly between leagues.

 

[Tau837]

10 team non-PPR. Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D/ST, 3 Flex (QB/RB/WR/TE, max 2 QBs, 3 RBs, 4 WRs). Last season was inaugural season.

My team was #1 in points but did not win the title. My roster:

QB - Rodgers, Romo, Freeman

RB - McFadden, M. Bush, Deangelo, Stewart, Goodson, Grant, P. Thomas

WR - Calvin, Roddy, Nicks, Avery, James Jones, Tate

TE - Finley, Cook

K - Kaeding

D/ST - Giants

No 2011 rookie draft picks (traded for Finley after he got hurt last year).

The other team was the worst team in the league last year. His roster:

QB - Brees, Bradford, Cutler, McCoy

RB - Mathews, Best, Spiller, D. Brown, Portis, Woodhead

WR - Andre Johnson, Dez, Lance Moore, Randy Moss, Roy Williams

TE - Cooley, Gronkowski, Hernandez

K - J. Brown

D/ST - Jets

Has 1.1 and 2.1 rookie draft picks.

I just traded Roddy White for Ryan Mathews. I figured with Calvin and Nicks still to start at WR, I could shore up my RB position, plus I could sell

the soon to be 30 year old White at his highest point while buying low on the 24 year old Mathews. I figure in non-PPR Mathews may outscore White as soon as this year, and definitely will outscore him over the next three years and beyond.

Thoughts?

I don't get why???

With 3 flex positions it's not that bad.Ideally the flex will be filled with 3 solid rb's who can get 1,600 total yards/10+ td's. Mathews could easily become that type. Roddy is great but if he can afford it and wants to shoot to be dominant it's a decent risk. Also roddy is almost 30 so it isn't like he's giving up a Calvin type who could be dominant for 8+ more years.

Here is my thinking.1. White scored 201.2 fantasy points in my league's scoring system last year. I view that as a career year. I expect him to decline somewhat this year and moreso next year and beyond as Jones gets more targets

2. Mathews was a rookie dealing with a high ankle sprain last year that led him to miss 4 games and be less than 100% in other games. Still, projecting his production from last year to 16 games results in 904/9 rushing and 193/0 receiving... that's 164 fantasy points. However, that rushing production is only based on 211 carries; I feel pretty certain that Mathews will get at least 240 carries... which could translate to more than 1000 rushing yards. And his 22 catches last year were with Sproles (59 catches) on the roster... he should be good for 40 catches this year... even at his pedestrian 6.6 ypr rate from last year, that is more than 250 receiving yars. So... 1250 total yards and 9 TDs is conservative but is 179 fantasy points... odds are that is comparable or better than White this year.

3. White is about to turn 30, and Mathews has just turned 24.

4. I can start 2 QBs (Rodgers and Romo), 3 RBs (3 of McFadden, Stewart, Deangelo, Mathews), and 2 WRs (Calvin, Nicks) [plus Finley, Kaeding, and Giants or waiver D/ST]. So I'm thinking I'm a contender this year without White and I am better off beyond this year.

I don't post all this to say I have all the answers, but rather to explain my thinking... interested in other opinions.

I like your reasons but White is worth more than Matthew no matter what situation

Based on what? I just outlined how I think Mathews will score as many or more fantasy points as White this year and beyond. With flex positions, I can start Mathews instead of White (i.e., another RB rather than another WR). And Mathews is ~6 years younger than White.I mean, I agree that my trade partner obviously valued White over Mathews, or there would have been no trade. But I think it was shortsighted on his part. And, thus, I think your comment is shortsighted.

ETA: Surely you agree that if you see a guy as underrated (like Mathews), you need to move on him before he proves himself in order to get good value... selling high and buying low isn't exactly rocket science...

 

[sihaokills]

10 team non-PPR. Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D/ST, 3 Flex (QB/RB/WR/TE, max 2 QBs, 3 RBs, 4 WRs). Last season was inaugural season.

My team was #1 in points but did not win the title. My roster:

QB - Rodgers, Romo, Freeman

RB - McFadden, M. Bush, Deangelo, Stewart, Goodson, Grant, P. Thomas

WR - Calvin, Roddy, Nicks, Avery, James Jones, Tate

TE - Finley, Cook

K - Kaeding

D/ST - Giants

No 2011 rookie draft picks (traded for Finley after he got hurt last year).

The other team was the worst team in the league last year. His roster:

QB - Brees, Bradford, Cutler, McCoy

RB - Mathews, Best, Spiller, D. Brown, Portis, Woodhead

WR - Andre Johnson, Dez, Lance Moore, Randy Moss, Roy Williams

TE - Cooley, Gronkowski, Hernandez

K - J. Brown

D/ST - Jets

Has 1.1 and 2.1 rookie draft picks.

I just traded Roddy White for Ryan Mathews. I figured with Calvin and Nicks still to start at WR, I could shore up my RB position, plus I could sell

the soon to be 30 year old White at his highest point while buying low on the 24 year old Mathews. I figure in non-PPR Mathews may outscore White as soon as this year, and definitely will outscore him over the next three years and beyond.

Thoughts?

I don't get why???

With 3 flex positions it's not that bad.Ideally the flex will be filled with 3 solid rb's who can get 1,600 total yards/10+ td's. Mathews could easily become that type. Roddy is great but if he can afford it and wants to shoot to be dominant it's a decent risk. Also roddy is almost 30 so it isn't like he's giving up a Calvin type who could be dominant for 8+ more years.

Here is my thinking.1. White scored 201.2 fantasy points in my league's scoring system last year. I view that as a career year. I expect him to decline somewhat this year and moreso next year and beyond as Jones gets more targets

2. Mathews was a rookie dealing with a high ankle sprain last year that led him to miss 4 games and be less than 100% in other games. Still, projecting his production from last year to 16 games results in 904/9 rushing and 193/0 receiving... that's 164 fantasy points. However, that rushing production is only based on 211 carries; I feel pretty certain that Mathews will get at least 240 carries... which could translate to more than 1000 rushing yards. And his 22 catches last year were with Sproles (59 catches) on the roster... he should be good for 40 catches this year... even at his pedestrian 6.6 ypr rate from last year, that is more than 250 receiving yars. So... 1250 total yards and 9 TDs is conservative but is 179 fantasy points... odds are that is comparable or better than White this year.

3. White is about to turn 30, and Mathews has just turned 24.

4. I can start 2 QBs (Rodgers and Romo), 3 RBs (3 of McFadden, Stewart, Deangelo, Mathews), and 2 WRs (Calvin, Nicks) [plus Finley, Kaeding, and Giants or waiver D/ST]. So I'm thinking I'm a contender this year without White and I am better off beyond this year.

I don't post all this to say I have all the answers, but rather to explain my thinking... interested in other opinions.

I like your reasons but White is worth more than Matthew no matter what situation

Based on what? I just outlined how I think Mathews will score as many or more fantasy points as White this year and beyond. With flex positions, I can start Mathews instead of White (i.e., another RB rather than another WR). And Mathews is ~6 years younger than White.I mean, I agree that my trade partner obviously valued White over Mathews, or there would have been no trade. But I think it was shortsighted on his part. And, thus, I think your comment is shortsighted.

I guess I overvalue White a little but I don't think Matthews has a chance to beat White in FF points and this is from a huge Chargers fan... Want the kid to do good

 

[Tau837]

10 team non-PPR. Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D/ST, 3 Flex (QB/RB/WR/TE, max 2 QBs, 3 RBs, 4 WRs). Last season was inaugural season.

My team was #1 in points but did not win the title. My roster:

QB - Rodgers, Romo, Freeman

RB - McFadden, M. Bush, Deangelo, Stewart, Goodson, Grant, P. Thomas

WR - Calvin, Roddy, Nicks, Avery, James Jones, Tate

TE - Finley, Cook

K - Kaeding

D/ST - Giants

No 2011 rookie draft picks (traded for Finley after he got hurt last year).

The other team was the worst team in the league last year. His roster:

QB - Brees, Bradford, Cutler, McCoy

RB - Mathews, Best, Spiller, D. Brown, Portis, Woodhead

WR - Andre Johnson, Dez, Lance Moore, Randy Moss, Roy Williams

TE - Cooley, Gronkowski, Hernandez

K - J. Brown

D/ST - Jets

Has 1.1 and 2.1 rookie draft picks.

I just traded Roddy White for Ryan Mathews. I figured with Calvin and Nicks still to start at WR, I could shore up my RB position, plus I could sell

the soon to be 30 year old White at his highest point while buying low on the 24 year old Mathews. I figure in non-PPR Mathews may outscore White as soon as this year, and definitely will outscore him over the next three years and beyond.

Thoughts?

I don't get why???

With 3 flex positions it's not that bad.Ideally the flex will be filled with 3 solid rb's who can get 1,600 total yards/10+ td's. Mathews could easily become that type. Roddy is great but if he can afford it and wants to shoot to be dominant it's a decent risk. Also roddy is almost 30 so it isn't like he's giving up a Calvin type who could be dominant for 8+ more years.

Here is my thinking.1. White scored 201.2 fantasy points in my league's scoring system last year. I view that as a career year. I expect him to decline somewhat this year and moreso next year and beyond as Jones gets more targets

2. Mathews was a rookie dealing with a high ankle sprain last year that led him to miss 4 games and be less than 100% in other games. Still, projecting his production from last year to 16 games results in 904/9 rushing and 193/0 receiving... that's 164 fantasy points. However, that rushing production is only based on 211 carries; I feel pretty certain that Mathews will get at least 240 carries... which could translate to more than 1000 rushing yards. And his 22 catches last year were with Sproles (59 catches) on the roster... he should be good for 40 catches this year... even at his pedestrian 6.6 ypr rate from last year, that is more than 250 receiving yars. So... 1250 total yards and 9 TDs is conservative but is 179 fantasy points... odds are that is comparable or better than White this year.

3. White is about to turn 30, and Mathews has just turned 24.

4. I can start 2 QBs (Rodgers and Romo), 3 RBs (3 of McFadden, Stewart, Deangelo, Mathews), and 2 WRs (Calvin, Nicks) [plus Finley, Kaeding, and Giants or waiver D/ST]. So I'm thinking I'm a contender this year without White and I am better off beyond this year.

I don't post all this to say I have all the answers, but rather to explain my thinking... interested in other opinions.

I like your reasons but White is worth more than Matthew no matter what situation

Based on what? I just outlined how I think Mathews will score as many or more fantasy points as White this year and beyond. With flex positions, I can start Mathews instead of White (i.e., another RB rather than another WR). And Mathews is ~6 years younger than White.I mean, I agree that my trade partner obviously valued White over Mathews, or there would have been no trade. But I think it was shortsighted on his part. And, thus, I think your comment is shortsighted.

I guess I overvalue White a little but I don't think Matthews has a chance to beat White in FF points and this is from a huge Chargers fan... Want the kid to do good

 

[Dr. Octopus]

10 team non-PPR. Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D/ST, 3 Flex (QB/RB/WR/TE, max 2 QBs, 3 RBs, 4 WRs). Last season was inaugural season.

My team was #1 in points but did not win the title. My roster:

QB - Rodgers, Romo, Freeman

RB - McFadden, M. Bush, Deangelo, Stewart, Goodson, Grant, P. Thomas

WR - Calvin, Roddy, Nicks, Avery, James Jones, Tate

TE - Finley, Cook

K - Kaeding

D/ST - Giants

No 2011 rookie draft picks (traded for Finley after he got hurt last year).

The other team was the worst team in the league last year. His roster:

QB - Brees, Bradford, Cutler, McCoy

RB - Mathews, Best, Spiller, D. Brown, Portis, Woodhead

WR - Andre Johnson, Dez, Lance Moore, Randy Moss, Roy Williams

TE - Cooley, Gronkowski, Hernandez

K - J. Brown

D/ST - Jets

Has 1.1 and 2.1 rookie draft picks.

I just traded Roddy White for Ryan Mathews. I figured with Calvin and Nicks still to start at WR, I could shore up my RB position, plus I could sell the soon to be 30 year old White at his highest point while buying low on the 24 year old Mathews. I figure in non-PPR Mathews may outscore White as soon as this year, and definitely will outscore him over the next three years and beyond.

Thoughts?

I don't necessarily think it was a bad deal for you (since I'm a believer in Matthews), but some people take the whole age thing way too far in a dynasty leagues. 29-30 is not old for a WR and I'm not one to think that trading studs away at their peak value (in anticipation of their decline) is always necessary. People don't consider the lost opportunity of the remaining productive seasons they forgo in order to get "trade value".

 

[Jaysports]

PPRI got:Thomas, Mike JAC WRYear 2012 Round 4 Draft Pick I gave up:Cruz, Victor NYG WRMoore, Lance NOS WRYear 2012 Round 3 Draft Pick Year 2012 Round 4 Draft Pick

how do you pull off a trade like this. Cruz and Moore are garbage

I showed interest in Thomas a few months back and all of a sudden this is the exact deal he sent me over the weekend. I scoured the web for a few hours making sure I wasn't missing something. I agree though, it's a steal and not exactly sure why he offered it.

 

[Tau837]

10 team non-PPR. Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D/ST, 3 Flex (QB/RB/WR/TE, max 2 QBs, 3 RBs, 4 WRs). Last season was inaugural season.

My team was #1 in points but did not win the title. My roster:

QB - Rodgers, Romo, Freeman

RB - McFadden, M. Bush, Deangelo, Stewart, Goodson, Grant, P. Thomas

WR - Calvin, Roddy, Nicks, Avery, James Jones, Tate

TE - Finley, Cook

K - Kaeding

D/ST - Giants

No 2011 rookie draft picks (traded for Finley after he got hurt last year).

The other team was the worst team in the league last year. His roster:

QB - Brees, Bradford, Cutler, McCoy

RB - Mathews, Best, Spiller, D. Brown, Portis, Woodhead

WR - Andre Johnson, Dez, Lance Moore, Randy Moss, Roy Williams

TE - Cooley, Gronkowski, Hernandez

K - J. Brown

D/ST - Jets

Has 1.1 and 2.1 rookie draft picks.

I just traded Roddy White for Ryan Mathews. I figured with Calvin and Nicks still to start at WR, I could shore up my RB position, plus I could sell the soon to be 30 year old White at his highest point while buying low on the 24 year old Mathews. I figure in non-PPR Mathews may outscore White as soon as this year, and definitely will outscore him over the next three years and beyond.

Thoughts?

I don't necessarily think it was a bad deal for you (since I'm a believer in Matthews), but some people take the whole age thing way too far in a dynasty leagues. 29-30 is not old for a WR and I'm not one to think that trading studs away at their peak value (in anticipation of their decline) is always necessary. People don't consider the lost opportunity of the remaining productive seasons they forgo in order to get "trade value".

I don't disagree with anything you say here. Bottom line is I decided I wanted Mathews... I didn't want to trade away a QB in a start 2 league, and I didn't want to trade Finley... which meant offering a WR. Reaching that point is when age matters -- I had 3 top WRs and one is 4-5 years older than the others, so he is the logical one to trade. I figured popular opinion would be that I made a bad trade. If Mathews doesn't pan out, I did. Obviously, I expect he will pan out.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

10 team non-PPR. Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D/ST, 3 Flex (QB/RB/WR/TE, max 2 QBs, 3 RBs, 4 WRs). Last season was inaugural season.

My team was #1 in points but did not win the title. My roster:

QB - Rodgers, Romo, Freeman

RB - McFadden, M. Bush, Deangelo, Stewart, Goodson, Grant, P. Thomas

WR - Calvin, Roddy, Nicks, Avery, James Jones, Tate

TE - Finley, Cook

K - Kaeding

D/ST - Giants

No 2011 rookie draft picks (traded for Finley after he got hurt last year).

The other team was the worst team in the league last year. His roster:

QB - Brees, Bradford, Cutler, McCoy

RB - Mathews, Best, Spiller, D. Brown, Portis, Woodhead

WR - Andre Johnson, Dez, Lance Moore, Randy Moss, Roy Williams

TE - Cooley, Gronkowski, Hernandez

K - J. Brown

D/ST - Jets

Has 1.1 and 2.1 rookie draft picks.

I just traded Roddy White for Ryan Mathews. I figured with Calvin and Nicks still to start at WR, I could shore up my RB position, plus I could sell the soon to be 30 year old White at his highest point while buying low on the 24 year old Mathews. I figure in non-PPR Mathews may outscore White as soon as this year, and definitely will outscore him over the next three years and beyond.

Thoughts?

I don't necessarily think it was a bad deal for you (since I'm a believer in Matthews), but some people take the whole age thing way too far in a dynasty leagues. 29-30 is not old for a WR and I'm not one to think that trading studs away at their peak value (in anticipation of their decline) is always necessary. People don't consider the lost opportunity of the remaining productive seasons they forgo in order to get "trade value".

I don't disagree with anything you say here. Bottom line is I decided I wanted Mathews... I didn't want to trade away a QB in a start 2 league, and I didn't want to trade Finley... which meant offering a WR. Reaching that point is when age matters -- I had 3 top WRs and one is 4-5 years older than the others, so he is the logical one to trade. I figured popular opinion would be that I made a bad trade. If Mathews doesn't pan out, I did. Obviously, I expect he will pan out.

I really don't think it was a bad trade. I was just riffing off the fact that you mentioned White's age. However I do see why age would be relevant in the context of trying to decide which of your WRs to trade - in that respect you bviously made the right choice.

 

[hook014]

10 team non-PPR. Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D/ST, 3 Flex (QB/RB/WR/TE, max 2 QBs, 3 RBs, 4 WRs). Last season was inaugural season.

My team was #1 in points but did not win the title. My roster:

QB - Rodgers, Romo, Freeman

RB - McFadden, M. Bush, Deangelo, Stewart, Goodson, Grant, P. Thomas

WR - Calvin, Roddy, Nicks, Avery, James Jones, Tate

TE - Finley, Cook

K - Kaeding

D/ST - Giants

No 2011 rookie draft picks (traded for Finley after he got hurt last year).

The other team was the worst team in the league last year. His roster:

QB - Brees, Bradford, Cutler, McCoy

RB - Mathews, Best, Spiller, D. Brown, Portis, Woodhead

WR - Andre Johnson, Dez, Lance Moore, Randy Moss, Roy Williams

TE - Cooley, Gronkowski, Hernandez

K - J. Brown

D/ST - Jets

Has 1.1 and 2.1 rookie draft picks.

I just traded Roddy White for Ryan Mathews. I figured with Calvin and Nicks still to start at WR, I could shore up my RB position, plus I could sell the soon to be 30 year old White at his highest point while buying low on the 24 year old Mathews. I figure in non-PPR Mathews may outscore White as soon as this year, and definitely will outscore him over the next three years and beyond.

Thoughts?

I don't necessarily think it was a bad deal for you (since I'm a believer in Matthews), but some people take the whole age thing way too far in a dynasty leagues. 29-30 is not old for a WR and I'm not one to think that trading studs away at their peak value (in anticipation of their decline) is always necessary. People don't consider the lost opportunity of the remaining productive seasons they forgo in order to get "trade value".

I don't disagree with anything you say here. Bottom line is I decided I wanted Mathews... I didn't want to trade away a QB in a start 2 league, and I didn't want to trade Finley... which meant offering a WR. Reaching that point is when age matters -- I had 3 top WRs and one is 4-5 years older than the others, so he is the logical one to trade. I figured popular opinion would be that I made a bad trade. If Mathews doesn't pan out, I did. Obviously, I expect he will pan out.

I like the trade and the reasoning behind it. Of course I'm a Matthews believer.

I would have pulled the trigger myself with no reservations.

 

[Kleck]

12 team PPR Dynasty, 1/2/2/1/1/1/flex.

Team A Gets: Michael Turner & Knowshon Moreno

Team B Gets: Matt Forte & Chris Ivory

Depth trade to upgrade at #2 RB. Ivory was a throw in.

 

[Sinrj]

Peterson side by a mile.

12 team PPRA gave upeterson, Adrian MIN RBWallace, Mike PIT WRDaniels, Owen HOU TEDreessen, Joel HOU TEB gave up:Stewart, Jonathan CAR RBNicks, Hakeem NYG WRFinley, Jermichael GBP TE

I dunno, I think it's a relatively even trade.

Would prefer the Stewart side. Don't see Peterson to Stewart as a huge downgrade. I see the Nicks and Finley parts as bigger upgrades.

trading Peterson for Stewart is a big gamble right now. If Williams resigns with Carolina team B got a steal and team A for F'ed in the A

Well said.

 

[Jail]

I guess I overvalue White a little but I don't think Matthews has a chance to beat White in FF points and this is from a huge Chargers fan... Want the kid to do good

The bolded is crazy talk. Maybe if you talk about PPR, but JWB is talking about non-PPR. Big difference. If Mathews can stay healthy and be the primary ball carrier in a Norv Turner offense he definitely has a chance to beat White in FF points.

 

[Dragon1952]

PPRI got:Thomas, Mike JAC WRYear 2012 Round 4 Draft Pick I gave up:Cruz, Victor NYG WRMoore, Lance NOS WRYear 2012 Round 3 Draft Pick Year 2012 Round 4 Draft Pick

how do you pull off a trade like this. Cruz and Moore are garbage

Moore is garbage? In 2008 he was a top 15 WR and last year he was top 25 (injured in 2009 of course). I don't see Thomas > Moore at all. And if Bush leaves he'll get a bump most likely. What's so great about Mike Thomas.

 

[Tau837]

PPRI got:Thomas, Mike JAC WRYear 2012 Round 4 Draft Pick I gave up:Cruz, Victor NYG WRMoore, Lance NOS WRYear 2012 Round 3 Draft Pick Year 2012 Round 4 Draft Pick

how do you pull off a trade like this. Cruz and Moore are garbage

Moore is garbage? In 2008 he was a top 15 WR and last year he was top 25 (injured in 2009 of course). I don't see Thomas > Moore at all. And if Bush leaves he'll get a bump most likely. What's so great about Mike Thomas.

That was my immediate reaction also.

 

[todisco1]

PPRI got:Thomas, Mike JAC WRYear 2012 Round 4 Draft Pick I gave up:Cruz, Victor NYG WRMoore, Lance NOS WRYear 2012 Round 3 Draft Pick Year 2012 Round 4 Draft Pick

how do you pull off a trade like this. Cruz and Moore are garbage

Moore is garbage? In 2008 he was a top 15 WR and last year he was top 25 (injured in 2009 of course). I don't see Thomas > Moore at all. And if Bush leaves he'll get a bump most likely. What's so great about Mike Thomas.

That was my immediate reaction also.

I would much rather have Thomas than Moore, but I don't think Moore is garbage.

 

[Dragon1952]

PPRI got:Thomas, Mike JAC WRYear 2012 Round 4 Draft Pick I gave up:Cruz, Victor NYG WRMoore, Lance NOS WRYear 2012 Round 3 Draft Pick Year 2012 Round 4 Draft Pick

how do you pull off a trade like this. Cruz and Moore are garbage

Moore is garbage? In 2008 he was a top 15 WR and last year he was top 25 (injured in 2009 of course). I don't see Thomas > Moore at all. And if Bush leaves he'll get a bump most likely. What's so great about Mike Thomas.

That was my immediate reaction also.

I would much rather have Thomas than Moore, but I don't think Moore is garbage.

Yeah, if Thomas had Drew Brees throwing to him maybe. As long as Brees is throwing to Moore and Garrard or some rookie is throwing to Thomas I'll take Moore.

 

[For get about it]

Good or bad trade

Standard scoring PPR 12 team

My starting line up will be

Rivers, Philip SDC QB

Charles, Jamaal KCC RB

Mathews, Ryan SDC RB

Austin, Miles DAL WR

Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR

Knox, Johnny CHI WR

Davis, Vernon SFO TE

I gave up

Spiller, C.J. BUF RB

Williams, Ryan ARI RB

Winslow, Kellen TBB TE

Got Back

Mathews, Ryan SDC RB

Sims-Walker, Mike JAC WR

Carlson, John SEA TE

 

[Multiple Scores]

Still proud of this trade?

Peterson side by a mile.

12 team PPRA gave upeterson, Adrian MIN RBWallace, Mike PIT WRDaniels, Owen HOU TEDreessen, Joel HOU TEB gave up:Stewart, Jonathan CAR RBNicks, Hakeem NYG WRFinley, Jermichael GBP TE

I dunno, I think it's a relatively even trade.

Would prefer the Stewart side. Don't see Peterson to Stewart as a huge downgrade. I see the Nicks and Finley parts as bigger upgrades.

I'm the Stewart side

 

[Dragon1952]

we're having a little fun with this one in our league

Team A gives: Mark Ingram, Vincent Jackson, Eddie Royal, Reggie Bush

Team B give: Greg Jennings, Marshawn Lynch, Mike Tolbert, Curtis Steele

 

[The Comedian]

16 team non-PPR

Team A gave:

Rookie Pick #25

Team B gave:

Chad Ochocinco, WR NEP

 

[JPeso]

Good or bad tradeStandard scoring PPR 12 team My starting line up will beRivers, Philip SDC QBCharles, Jamaal KCC RBMathews, Ryan SDC RBAustin, Miles DAL WRFitzgerald, Larry ARI WRKnox, Johnny CHI WRDavis, Vernon SFO TEI gave upSpiller, C.J. BUF RBWilliams, Ryan ARI RBWinslow, Kellen TBB TE Got BackMathews, Ryan SDC RBSims-Walker, Mike JAC WRCarlson, John SEA TE

Don't like it.

 

[JPeso]

we're having a little fun with this one in our leagueTeam A gives: Mark Ingram, Vincent Jackson, Eddie Royal, Reggie BushTeam B give: Greg Jennings, Marshawn Lynch, Mike Tolbert, Curtis Steele

So he gave V Jackson, R Bush, and E Royal for G Jennings? Reasonable price to pay.But then..

 

[JPeso]

16 team non-PPRTeam A gave:Rookie Pick #25Team B gave:Chad Ochocinco, WR NEP

#25

 

[Dez]

PPR $750 FFPC league (20 player max roster cut down to 14 position players in the offseason)

Team A trades

Kenny Britt (TEN)

Brandon Tate (NWE)

Cecil Shorts III (JAC)

Jordan Todman (SDG)

2012 Draft, Rnd 1 (from BallzDeep)

Team B trades

Roddy White (ATL)

Danario Alexander (STL)

2012 Draft, Rnd 5

2012 Draft, Rnd 4 (from Spokanimals D)

 

[sihaokills]

Team A trades Jeremy Maclin, Ryan Matthews

Team B trades Felix Jones, Calvin Johnson

Who wins???

 

[hook014]

16 team non-PPRTeam A gave:Rookie Pick #25Team B gave:Chad Ochocinco, WR NEP

You went right out and traded for Ocho didn't you? You motor boatin son of a gun, you old sailor ....

 

[gianmarco]

Team A trades Jeremy Maclin, Ryan MatthewsTeam B trades Felix Jones, Calvin JohnsonWho wins???

I wouldn't trade Calvin for Maclin/Mathews alone. Team A got Felix for free and the best player.

 

[Kree]

Team A trades Jeremy Maclin, Ryan MatthewsTeam B trades Felix Jones, Calvin JohnsonWho wins???

Team AI don't think there is a whole lot of difference between the possible upsides between Matthews and Felix (And in this case you pretty much have to play upside with both) although Matthews is more likely to reach his.The upside and floor for Calvin is much higher than Maclin's though I reckon. Agree that Felix probably didn't need to be added to the trade.

 

[Tau837]

10 team non-PPR. Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D/ST, 3 Flex (QB/RB/WR/TE, max 2 QBs, 3 RBs, 4 WRs). Last season was inaugural season.

My team was #1 in points but did not win the title. My roster before this trade:

QB - Rodgers, Romo, Freeman

RB - McFadden, M. Bush, Deangelo, Stewart, Mathews, Grant, Wells, P. Thomas, D. Brown

WR - Calvin, Nicks, Avery, James Jones, Tate

TE - Finley

K - Kaeding

D/ST - Giants

No 2011 rookie draft picks (traded for Finley after he got hurt last year).

The other team finished 7th last year. His roster before the trade:

QB - Vick, Brady, Orton

RB - Forte, BJGE, S. Greene, Felix Jones, Jacobs, Snelling, Maroney

WR - Colston, Britt, Mike Williams (Tampa), Floyd, Sims-Walker, Royal

TE - Boss

K - Vinatieri

D/ST - Steelers, Patriots

Has 1.1 and 2.1 rookie draft picks.

I just traded Grant, Wells, and James Jones for Britt.

I figured Grant, Wells, and Jones likely wouldn't see the field for my team, and Grant may have limited value after this year. Jones isn't likely to ever have much value IMO, so he was irrelevant. Wells could emerge to fulfill his potential at some point, but that doesn't seem likely given his current situation. Meanwhile, I am taking a gamble that Britt will finally mature off the field, making this a good instance of buying low. There is wide disparity in the views on Britt, so I'm interested in opinions on this.

Thoughts?

 

[gianmarco]

1 PPR

1 pt per 25 passing yds

Team A receives: Rodgers/Jennings/Ochocinco/3.7

Team B receives: Big Ben/Wallace/1.7/2012 1st (mid to high)

 

[Tau837]

1 PPR1 pt per 25 passing ydsTeam A receives: Rodgers/Jennings/Ochocinco/3.7Team B receives: Big Ben/Wallace/1.7/2012 1st (mid to high)

Team A wins, assuming its roster is strong enough to withstand not getting the two first rounders. The difference between Rodgers and Roethlisberger is substantial and dwarfs the rest of the deal IMO.

 

[bengalbuck]

we're having a little fun with this one in our leagueTeam A gives: Mark Ingram, Vincent Jackson, Eddie Royal, Reggie BushTeam B give: Greg Jennings, Marshawn Lynch, Mike Tolbert, Curtis Steele

I love the Ingram side of it even though I'm probably higher than most on both Jennings and Lynch. I really like both Ingram and Bush though and think both could end up being pretty good going forward. I view VJax to Jennings as a downgrade, but not a huge one. The inclusion of Bush puts it over the top for me. I think he's an undervalued guy. In fact, I just overpaid a bit for him in my own dynasty league in which I am hurting very badly at RB.My trade was:GotReggie BushGaveBilal Powell (who I love and it hurt to give up)Danario Alexander (who I don't like and wanted to get rid of)2nd and 3rd in 2012 (14 team league, my team should be middle of the pack or better)

 

[thriftyrocker]

My trade was:GotReggie BushGaveBilal Powell (who I love and it hurt to give up)Danario Alexander (who I don't like and wanted to get rid of)2nd and 3rd in 2012 (14 team league, my team should be middle of the pack or better)

Wow. Not sure I would give more than the picks. I might agree he's a undervalued and a good sleeper, but if you're a middle of the pack team, he's not going to put you over the top. In a 14 team 0.5PPR startup and Powell went this morning with Reggie still on the board.

 

[Dez]

My trade was:GotReggie BushGaveBilal Powell (who I love and it hurt to give up)Danario Alexander (who I don't like and wanted to get rid of)2nd and 3rd in 2012 (14 team league, my team should be middle of the pack or better)

Wow. Not sure I would give more than the picks. I might agree he's a undervalued and a good sleeper, but if you're a middle of the pack team, he's not going to put you over the top. In a 14 team 0.5PPR startup and Powell went this morning with Reggie still on the board.

At least he didn't trade 2 1st, 2 2nd and 2 3rds for R-Bush (someone actually did that in 1 of my leagues last year)

 

[Mighty Mice]

Sid Rice

for

Randall Cobb

*Mike Goodson

(2) 2012 2nd round rookie picks - one extremely early one extremely late.

*Goodson was a throw-in to get under roster limit - would have been dropped.

 

[eakfootball]

we're having a little fun with this one in our leagueTeam A gives: Mark Ingram, Vincent Jackson, Eddie Royal, Reggie BushTeam B give: Greg Jennings, Marshawn Lynch, Mike Tolbert, Curtis Steele

I love the Ingram side of it even though I'm probably higher than most on both Jennings and Lynch. I really like both Ingram and Bush though and think both could end up being pretty good going forward. I view VJax to Jennings as a downgrade, but not a huge one. The inclusion of Bush puts it over the top for me. I think he's an undervalued guy. In fact, I just overpaid a bit for him in my own dynasty league in which I am hurting very badly at RB.My trade was:GotReggie BushGaveBilal Powell (who I love and it hurt to give up)Danario Alexander (who I don't like and wanted to get rid of)2nd and 3rd in 2012 (14 team league, my team should be middle of the pack or better)

Don't like that trade at all for you.

 

[gianmarco]

1 PPR1 pt per 25 passing ydsTeam A receives: Rodgers/Jennings/Ochocinco/3.7Team B receives: Big Ben/Wallace/1.7/2012 1st (mid to high)

Team A wins, assuming its roster is strong enough to withstand not getting the two first rounders. The difference between Rodgers and Roethlisberger is substantial and dwarfs the rest of the deal IMO.

The slightly depressed QB scoring doesn't make it that big a difference (~3ppg). My team is rebuilding there and could use the upgrades I got in the other spots

 

[jeter23]

12 team PPR

A gave: MB3

B gave: Julius Thomas

 

[jeter23]

14 team PPR, 6 pts ALL TDs

A gave: Schaub/SJax/2012 2nd

B gave: L McCoy/Ford/2012 3rd

 

[gianmarco]

14 team PPR, 6 pts ALL TDsA gave: Schaub/SJax/2012 2ndB gave: L McCoy/Ford/2012 3rd

Huh? That's terrible.

 

[Instinctive]

14 Team

Sam Bradford

Brandon Jacobs

Matthew Stafford

Donnie Avery

 

[jeter23]

14 team PPR

A gave: Crabtree/Damien Williams

B gave: 2012 1st

 

[Kree]

14 team PPRA gave: Crabtree/Damien WilliamsB gave: 2012 1st

What does B's team look like now?

 

[Jersey35]

I just traded:

1.03

1.11

For:

1.01 (plan to take Ingram)

V.Young (I have Vick)

 

[jeter23]

14 team PPRA gave: Crabtree/Damien WilliamsB gave: 2012 1st

What does B's team look like now?

Start 1/2/3/1/flexBrady/OrtonGore/Turner/LTWayne/Manningham/Smith (CAR)/Crabtree/HankersonWitten/Heap

 

[Donsmith753]

12 team PPR (Qb heavy 0.1pts per 10 yds passing)

Gave

Flacco

Starks

4th rounder

Got

Freeman

VY

5th rounder

 

[gianmarco]

Team A receives: Mike Wallace/2.12

Team B receives: Miles Austin/2012 1st (very late, 1.9-1.12 range)

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

Team A gave:

Mike Sims-Walker

Brandon Lloyd

Team B gave:

Sidney Rice

Cecil Shorts

 

[fsufan]

Peterson side by a mile.

12 team PPRA gave upeterson, Adrian MIN RBWallace, Mike PIT WRDaniels, Owen HOU TEDreessen, Joel HOU TEB gave up:Stewart, Jonathan CAR RBNicks, Hakeem NYG WRFinley, Jermichael GBP TE

I dunno, I think it's a relatively even trade.

Would prefer the Stewart side. Don't see Peterson to Stewart as a huge downgrade. I see the Nicks and Finley parts as bigger upgrades.

trading Peterson for Stewart is a big gamble right now. If Williams resigns with Carolina team B got a steal and team A for F'ed in the A

Well said.

with DW resigning in Car Team A got a steal