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I would rather have Crabtree over Britt straight up, but maybe I'm in the minority.
The first trade for Ben Tate is nuts, but I don't think moving up into the top 5 via Gates is trading him away for spare parts. That league was non-PPR, no TE required, so Gates is really a borderline WR2 with a growing injury history. Second trade isn't bad.
I'm not sure I agree with this part.
Agreed.Some people are so obsessed with trading off "expiring assets" that they fail to see the value they forgoe (1-3 years of production) that would likely help their team much more than just settling for minimal value. You see it in this thread with Michael Turner, Stephen Jackson, Reggie Wayne and now Gates going for peanuts.
Under those parameters (non ppr, no TE) the trade makes more sense - but I'm not so sure the 1.5 pick necessarily nets a better player than the 2.1 in this draft (where there are about 4-10 fungible RBs imo), although obviously it's a more valuable asset if it's flipped.
Team A won that trade rather easily.
That's a pretty horrible trade. Why did RRice go so cheap? Is that owner rebuilding and has absolutely nothing else but Rice?
Huh? I think the guy getting Britt got raped.
Ive got Britt ranked just outside the top 10, and Crabtree around WR25. The 2.10 is not near enough to make up that difference...imo of course.ETA, I have Britt at WR11 and Crabtree at WR22. Same thing applies about the 2.10.
Pretty even swap in my eyes. I have them both in a nebulous WR14~20 range.
I wouldn't trade Crabtree for Britt straight up.....but that's me.
Fair enough. You must be worried about the off field issues more than me. Do you think Crabtree looked better than Britt last season? I watched both play quite a bit last season, and the difference was pretty clear. Some of the blame for Crabtree has to do with his supporting cast, but Morgan and Davis both looked better than him last year. I know Crabtree is young, and has room to improve, but Britt is a year younger, and also has alot of room for improvement..and its not like he had Peyton Manning or Tom Brady throwing to him either.
Foster/Tate>>MendenhallColston/Celek<Thomas/DavisWinner: Team A, 150-140...or 3% advantage...according to my trade calc.
Ouch, Team A wins(surprise, doesnt it always) 130-103(or 13%)...of course thats using my non-pprs rankings. Not sure it matters much in this trade though unless scoring is heavily weighted torwards TE's.
Should also post that this is a 12 team PPR league with flexible starting requirements.(hyperactive 3)I saw it .....Foster/Tate>Mendenhall. I give Foster the edge based on last seasons production but i feel Mendenhall is a better player.Mike Thomas>>B.Celek. Love Mike Thomas in PPR especially with MSW packing his bags. Celek was unstartable last yearVernon Davis>Colston. TEs that score like top 20 WRs are a lot more valuable imo than WRs that score like Colston. I like Colston for his year to year consistancy but the knee scopes every offseason, the potential breakout of Graham as a PPR hog and red zone target, and just the way Brees spreads the ball around made me feel the time was now to move Colston
Obviously Foster/Mendenhall is the big part of this trade. Im not a big fan of either player from a talent standpoint, but considering the Foster side essentially has the Texans run game locked down for the near future, i give a big edge to Foster there...especially since this is a PPR, which makes Mendenhall even less valuable and the Texans RB's more so. I really feel like the Steelers are going to bring in a speed back, and if they do, Mendenhall is going to fall a few more spots down my rankings as his value hinges alot on his usage.
Legal issues don't have as much as you might think. I just like Crabtree more. I saw both of them play numerous times. Nothing Britt has done shows him to be superior. Harbaugh being in SF gets me even more excited.
I guess this is where we differ. Obviously its too early to get a really good idea of how their futures will play out, but based on what i have seen from them, in the NFL anyway, Britt has definitely been the better player. He just seemed uncoverable one on one, and even against double coverage at times, he is a big target who is as good in traffic/short yardage situations as he is at stretching the field. While i like what i saw from Crabtree after he has the ball, he just has a hard time beating coverage, and had a harder time making plays in it. ETA, Even though stats dont really matter, they seem to agree with me. Last season Britt caught 57.5% of his passes for 18.5 ypc. Crabtree caught 54.5 % of his passes for 13.5 ypc. Not to mention Britt had more yards and TD's despite Crabtree playing 5 more games. *
Very nice upgrade trade for someone who likes Freeman. These types of trades are difficult to achieve in my league.
I have S-Jax in several leagues, and no one wants to touch him. Nice value here.
Gonna have to disagree here. Sure, his value is down and it's probably too late to get good value but this isn't good value, IMO. There's only 2 yrs age difference as Greene will be turning 26 this year. In 1-2 more yrs, Greene's value will be trending downward as well. The thing is, you know what you get in SJax and that is a top FF producer. Greene has yet to show anything and took a backseat to a 31 yo LT. There's no guarantee that will ever change this year. While I like Ford a lot, he's not enough to go from a top FF producer to a big question mark that hasn't shown much in 2 yrs and is much older than others in his class. I'd stomach it a little more if SJax were older, but he's still only 27 and is still one of the few bellcows in the league.
Kudos to Eastwood here, I rarely see anyone change their minds in some of these longer than should be player discussions and I applaud you coming back to post that!Way to be excellent!
Love this for the team getting Crabtree
Manningham is the only guy with any real value.
I couldn't disagree more. Points are points, and both of those RBs will score in 2011. Sometimes I think guys forget the purpose is to win games, not collect names.
Agree, but i think you have it backwards. Grant is the "name" player in this trade.
Damn! I guess that means I have been holding Craphonso Thorpe on my roster all these years for nothing.
After a quick glance i like team B here. This should be a fun one to run through my calc. ETA Closer than i thought, but team B wins 266-250(3%)
Out of interest, team A have any other solid RBs?I would prefer A here by a small margin.
Great deal for A. I'd take Greene straight up, personally.
Even in a PPR?
It's ppr and I think your ratings are non ppr...ppr makes it an even bigger advantage for team b
You might be right. I looked over the players and figured PPR wasnt going to make a big difference based on the players involved.
Closer, but even still, I would definitely do this deal.PPR, non-PPR, I just don't think Moreno is a very good player.
