*** 2012 Official Philadelphia Eagles Post Mortem Thread *** (1 Viewer)

[Insein]

http://bloggingthebe...bowl-practices/

The Eagles, just like every other NFL team, are going to be speaking with hundreds of prospects between now and the draft in April. However, so far here at the Senior Bowl practices, I've seen the Eagles speak with eight prospects after practices. Six of them were pass rushers, and they all spoke with Player Personnel Executive, Phil Savage.

I would officially take a massive dump at the front of the linc if they take a DE in the first 3 picks. You know whoever goes in the 3rd will be a bust ( just by track record ).

As for the above topics, eagles can not draft / produce defensive talent at all really. Most of their defensive picks have been reaches to begin with along with turning into a JAG.

Place your bets....Our future LBer is one of them.

I'm putting my money on a division II school or lower player in the 2nd round as starting MLB.

 

[Insein]

Now if you want to assail Andy & Company's LINEBACKER choices, that's another thing entirely:

Not all these choices are bad. There are a lot of good choices in there, they just aren't spending high enough draft picks to get Pro Bowl level players. Chaney was a great pick. Rolle was a good pick. Matthews is not a bad pick; they just ruined him. Bradley just couldn't stay healthy (of course that's part of the reason he wasn't an earlier pick and the Eagles MO is to take injury risks who somehow always get re-injured). But even some of our relative hits were traded for garbage. Mays was traded for JJ Arrington (!). Gocong was a throw-in when we cut ties with Sheldon Brown. I went back and checked, they turned Brown and Gocong into Trevard Lindley and Ricky Sapp.I guess one plus of spending a 1st on a LB would be they would actually stick with him instead of swapping in the next 5'11" guy they took in the 6th round who might be almost as good.

I think what bugs me about LB the most is that they treat all their positions in a strictly business model. they have a certain budget allocated for each area (DLine, LBs and secondary). They have the lowest budget obviously for LB just by their track record. therefore they never spend a high draft pick on one.

 

[Matt's Eagles]

What about a free agent LB?

There is:

Mario Williams

Curtis Lofton

Anthony Spencer

Stephen Tulloch

Dan Connor

London Fletcher

EJ henderson

Clark Haggans (ARZ)

Brendon Ayanbadejo (BAL)

Jarret Johnson (BAL)

Andra Davis (BUF)

Kirk Morrison (BUF)

Reggie Torbor (BUF)

Brian Iwuh (CHI)

Manny Lawson (CIN)

D'Qwell Jackson (CLE)

Keith Brooking (DAL)

Bradie James (DAL)

Mario Haggan (DEN)

Joe Mays (DEN)

Wesley Woodyard (DEN)

Bobby Carpenter (DET)

Isaiah Ekejiuba (DET)

Erik Walden (GB)

Ernie Sims (IND)

Philip Wheeler (IND)

Ikaika Alama-Francis (MIA)

Jason Taylor (MIA)

Xavier Adibi (MIN)

Erin Henderson (MIN)

Gary Guyton (NE)

Tracy White (NE)

Jonathan Goff (NYG)

Bryan Thomas (NYJ)

Darryl Blackstock (OAK)

Quentin Groves (OAK)

Stephen Cooper (SD)

Na'il Diggs (SD)

David Hawthorne (SEA)

Matt McCoy (SEA)

Ahmad Brooks (SF)

Blake Costanzo (SF)

Tavares Gooden (SF)

Larry Grant (SF)

Chris Chamberlain (STL)

Bryan Kehl (STL)

Ben Leber (STL)

Brady Poppinga (STL)

Geno Hayes (TB)

Patrick Bailey (TEN)

Barrett Ruud (TEN)

Tim Shaw (TEN)

Rocky McIntosh (WAS)

Dannell Ellerbe (BAL) - Restricted

Sergio Kindle (BAL) - Exclusive Rights

Garrison Sanborn (BUF) - Restricted

Jason Phillips (CAR) - Restricted

Thomas Williams (CAR) - Restricted

Vincent Rey (CIN) - Exclusive Rights

Titus Brown (CLE) - Restricted

DeAndre Levy (DET) - Restricted

Ashlee Palmer (DET) - Restricted

Cody Glenn (IND) - Restricted

Russell Allen (JAC) - Restricted

Jovan Belcher (KC) - Restricted

Cory Greenwood (KC) - Exclusive Rights

Austin Spitler (MIA) - Exclusive Rights

Kenny Onatolu (MIN) - Restricted

Jamaal Westerman (NYJ) - Restricted

 

[Insein]

Best player on their is Mario williams but he's technically a DE playing OLB in a 3-4 scheme. Doubt Houston lets him go either. Everyone else is a has been or a never was. I much rather use a 1st round pick on a highly rated guy like Kuechly and see if they can't develop him into whatever scheme they have in mind. Not saying I wouldn't mind a guy like Tulloch as an upgrade. I just don't see this as the only solution to the problem.

 

[Jason Wood]

Free agent signings, as we learned this year, are generally overvalued by fans and the media. For those pining about the "good ol' days" when Andy was taking us to Championship games, it came at a time when we largely built through the draft. Last year we went for it and pulled a Redskins, doing a free agent bonanza, and that worked for crap. I really have next to no interest in seeing us sign a drove of new FAs. Not saying we don't use the FA pool to bolster talent where we can, but let's not overvalue the need or value of it.

 

[jasvic]

Free agent signings, as we learned this year, are generally overvalued by fans and the media. For those pining about the "good ol' days" when Andy was taking us to Championship games, it came at a time when we largely built through the draft. Last year we went for it and pulled a Redskins, doing a free agent bonanza, and that worked for crap. I really have next to no interest in seeing us sign a drove of new FAs. Not saying we don't use the FA pool to bolster talent where we can, but let's not overvalue the need or value of it.

True, but at the same time the one year they went to the SB was the year they added Owens and Kearse. Like everything else, balance is the key. Build via the draft, but plug holes or add 1 or 2 marquee players via FA/trades. Basically, I don't want to see them go the opposite direction from last year and ignore FA if there is a guy or two who could help.

 

[Jason Wood]

Free agent signings, as we learned this year, are generally overvalued by fans and the media. For those pining about the "good ol' days" when Andy was taking us to Championship games, it came at a time when we largely built through the draft. Last year we went for it and pulled a Redskins, doing a free agent bonanza, and that worked for crap. I really have next to no interest in seeing us sign a drove of new FAs. Not saying we don't use the FA pool to bolster talent where we can, but let's not overvalue the need or value of it.

True, but at the same time the one year they went to the SB was the year they added Owens and Kearse. Like everything else, balance is the key. Build via the draft, but plug holes or add 1 or 2 marquee players via FA/trades. Basically, I don't want to see them go the opposite direction from last year and ignore FA if there is a guy or two who could help.

Absolutely. The Eagles MO has always been to target one or two key, high profile FAs, and sign them quickly. And many of those have worked out, at least initially. As you said, Kearse and TO worked out in the start of their deals, certainly. And one could point to luring Jon Runyan to the Birds as one of the early building blocks for the Reid/McNabb era. And obviously the Asante signing was a plus, and we can't argue with bringing back Babin last year and giving us 18 sacks. All I'm saying is that I don't see a lot of reason to get excited about a bunch of middling veteran LBs in free agency. I don't think they'll matter much if we sign them, or not. We need to draft an impact LBer and get the pick right.

 

[jasvic]

Free agent signings, as we learned this year, are generally overvalued by fans and the media. For those pining about the "good ol' days" when Andy was taking us to Championship games, it came at a time when we largely built through the draft. Last year we went for it and pulled a Redskins, doing a free agent bonanza, and that worked for crap. I really have next to no interest in seeing us sign a drove of new FAs. Not saying we don't use the FA pool to bolster talent where we can, but let's not overvalue the need or value of it.

True, but at the same time the one year they went to the SB was the year they added Owens and Kearse. Like everything else, balance is the key. Build via the draft, but plug holes or add 1 or 2 marquee players via FA/trades. Basically, I don't want to see them go the opposite direction from last year and ignore FA if there is a guy or two who could help.

Absolutely. The Eagles MO has always been to target one or two key, high profile FAs, and sign them quickly. And many of those have worked out, at least initially. As you said, Kearse and TO worked out in the start of their deals, certainly. And one could point to luring Jon Runyan to the Birds as one of the early building blocks for the Reid/McNabb era. And obviously the Asante signing was a plus, and we can't argue with bringing back Babin last year and giving us 18 sacks. All I'm saying is that I don't see a lot of reason to get excited about a bunch of middling veteran LBs in free agency. I don't think they'll matter much if we sign them, or not. We need to draft an impact LBer and get the pick right.

Agreed. But unless you feel the current LBs will be fine with one impact rookie and they can contend for a SB that way, I'd like to see them take a shot at a FA veteran that is at least solid and not a liability. Add some experience and stability at a position that currently has none. I'm not saying break the bank for any of those guys, but if one can be had for a reasonable contract do it.

 

[loose circuits]

I have an idea. Let's try to look at this logically for once. It was risky to put Castillo on that side of the ball. He did have a learning curve, as did the defense due to all the new faces. However, take a look at the facts:

1. Castillo hadn't coached defense for years, and an adjustment period was expected.

2. Castillo is one of the best teachers in the game, and understands that practice, repetition, and muscle memory are the ingredients to "playing fast."

3. The Eagles were #1 in sacks.

4. The Eagles were #8 in total defense.

5. They didn't have an off-season to gel considering all the new coaching and players.

6. They showed A LOT of improvement as the season progressed.

You see poor decisions and bad performance through your pessimistic view. I see taking a risk on Castillo, when he knew he would be heavy criticized and even laughed at, as good leadership and guts. I see potential in Castlo and this defense, and if you look at the facts you should be able to see it as well.

this pretty much sums up my thoughts as well.It is what it is for those that want to cry...they'll have to get over themselves. To try to place the blame strictly on Castillo is absurd in my opinion. Many of those games at the beginning of the year could have been one had one play or another went the right way. Juan wasn't responsible for tackling Victor Cruz or able to kick that FG against San Fran. Vick looked horrible against the Cards and should have probably sat out the game if he was hurt early. The D was not put in good positions, but we should have had a game plan to stop Fitz. We caught a lot of teams when they were hot. Obviously the SanFran game looks a little better now considering where they are...it's over now and another defensive overhaul is not in the best interest of this team. Nobody in the front office needs to come out and say the coaches under contract are staying, that's not how it works...I'm sure they would have made a move by now if there was going to be one otherwise they'd be behind the 8ball

I'm hoping for Lavonte David to shore up that LB core. He is the ideal type of guy we need to add to this defense with his outstanding instincts...with 3 picks in the top 47 they should have plenty of opportunity to add talent at whatever position is necessary. I'm guessing it will be LB this year

I'd prefer Luke Kuechly because he'd be a guy you can plug in right away and be able to make plays on athleticism alone. However, that would mean the Eagles would go against 30+ years of draft history. Its not just Andy but some reason, the Eagles refuse to draft LBs in the 1st round. Reid has just taken it to a new level of devaluing the position, using 3rd 4th and 5th round picks to try to find their starting LBs. I get the trying to find a diamond in the rough thing but you usually miss a lot more than hit with that approach. then we're stuck sticking in our 7th round picks trying to fill in as a stop gap when those other picks fail. I don't get why they don't just one time take a shot at a first round LB pick. Whats the worst that can happen? The guy under performs and then we're no worse off. Of course they could get a stud and we'd actually have a playmaker at a key position.

David is in the same boat as being NFL ready with elite athleticism (except for size). Bo Pelini has said that he's a coaches dream for his work ethic. He's strictly a Will though, so we'd have to leave Cheney at MLB. David made clutch play after clutch play for the Husker D this year

 

[JetMaxx]

Both please??

 

[Insein]

Both please??

Wouldn't that be nice. I mean they did once upon a time take 3 DBs in the first 2 rounds to help sure up an aging secondary. Why not draft 2 or 3 LBs in the first 3 rounds. Is that a rhetorical question?

 

[AlwaysSunny]

 

[Pickle Rody]

Not sure how I feel about this. I don't usually listen to Philly sports radio but my boss had it tuned in for a few minutes on Thursday and Friday last week and all the Eagles talk/discussion focused on a push to acquire Peyton Manning if/when he gets released (provided his health is good.) So there seems to be a push from the local talking heads that the Eagles should try to make this happen - signing Manning to make a couple Super Bowl runs in the next few years. Wondering if any others out there heard this stuff. After thinking about it this weekend I'm still not sure how I feel about it. Would Manning help if he is healthy? Is this really something the Philly brass should consider, even a little bit?

I know most of the Philly talking heads are just that and it's why I don't listen regularly, so on Thursday I dismissed this "Manning" talk. Then I heard it again on Friday and it got me wondering. The suggestion that the Eagles go out and acquire Manning couldn't possibly have legs could it?

Rody

 

[Jason Wood]

Not sure how I feel about this. I don't usually listen to Philly sports radio but my boss had it tuned in for a few minutes on Thursday and Friday last week and all the Eagles talk/discussion focused on a push to acquire Peyton Manning if/when he gets released (provided his health is good.) So there seems to be a push from the local talking heads that the Eagles should try to make this happen - signing Manning to make a couple Super Bowl runs in the next few years. Wondering if any others out there heard this stuff. After thinking about it this weekend I'm still not sure how I feel about it. Would Manning help if he is healthy? Is this really something the Philly brass should consider, even a little bit?I know most of the Philly talking heads are just that and it's why I don't listen regularly, so on Thursday I dismissed this "Manning" talk. Then I heard it again on Friday and it got me wondering. The suggestion that the Eagles go out and acquire Manning couldn't possibly have legs could it?Rody

I don't see how it has any legs

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Not sure how I feel about this. I don't usually listen to Philly sports radio but my boss had it tuned in for a few minutes on Thursday and Friday last week and all the Eagles talk/discussion focused on a push to acquire Peyton Manning if/when he gets released (provided his health is good.) So there seems to be a push from the local talking heads that the Eagles should try to make this happen - signing Manning to make a couple Super Bowl runs in the next few years. Wondering if any others out there heard this stuff. After thinking about it this weekend I'm still not sure how I feel about it. Would Manning help if he is healthy? Is this really something the Philly brass should consider, even a little bit?I know most of the Philly talking heads are just that and it's why I don't listen regularly, so on Thursday I dismissed this "Manning" talk. Then I heard it again on Friday and it got me wondering. The suggestion that the Eagles go out and acquire Manning couldn't possibly have legs could it?Rody

I would say it doesnt have legs but then again (although on a smaller scale at the time) I didnt see them signing Vick either.If it did happen I would welcome it with open arms though

 

[CentralPA]

Not sure how I feel about this. I don't usually listen to Philly sports radio but my boss had it tuned in for a few minutes on Thursday and Friday last week and all the Eagles talk/discussion focused on a push to acquire Peyton Manning if/when he gets released (provided his health is good.) So there seems to be a push from the local talking heads that the Eagles should try to make this happen - signing Manning to make a couple Super Bowl runs in the next few years. Wondering if any others out there heard this stuff. After thinking about it this weekend I'm still not sure how I feel about it. Would Manning help if he is healthy? Is this really something the Philly brass should consider, even a little bit?

I know most of the Philly talking heads are just that and it's why I don't listen regularly, so on Thursday I dismissed this "Manning" talk. Then I heard it again on Friday and it got me wondering. The suggestion that the Eagles go out and acquire Manning couldn't possibly have legs could it?

Rody

I would say it doesnt have legs but then again (although on a smaller scale at the time) I didnt see them signing Vick either.If it did happen I would welcome it with open arms though

Exactly, Manning coming here is a million to one shot. But I thought the same thing with Vick.

 

[renesauz]

We've got better things to spend 20+ million a year on than a QB on the downslope of his career with a bad neck.

The Eagles have put up plenty of points the last couple of years...the problems are on defense and with heart. Manning wouldn't help that first problem...he'd make it harder because of the $ involved.

 

[Insein]

Not sure how I feel about this. I don't usually listen to Philly sports radio but my boss had it tuned in for a few minutes on Thursday and Friday last week and all the Eagles talk/discussion focused on a push to acquire Peyton Manning if/when he gets released (provided his health is good.) So there seems to be a push from the local talking heads that the Eagles should try to make this happen - signing Manning to make a couple Super Bowl runs in the next few years. Wondering if any others out there heard this stuff. After thinking about it this weekend I'm still not sure how I feel about it. Would Manning help if he is healthy? Is this really something the Philly brass should consider, even a little bit?I know most of the Philly talking heads are just that and it's why I don't listen regularly, so on Thursday I dismissed this "Manning" talk. Then I heard it again on Friday and it got me wondering. The suggestion that the Eagles go out and acquire Manning couldn't possibly have legs could it?Rody

Hmm. First I heard of it. Nothing to see here anyway. They signed Vick. This is just the same as the trade for Favre talk 4 years ago.

 

[jasvic]

Smallwood has an article about this as well. Linky.

It's fun to think about and chat around the water cooler, but for the media to be spouting this just shows how slow a news week it is. If he's healthy, and if he wanted to come to the NFC East and play his brother 2-3 times a year, and if he was willing to not demand ridiculous money, and if Reid and Co. would be ok with him calling his own plays like he has in Indy, and if you can deal Vick, then sure it's a great idea. That's a crap-ton of ifs, though.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

We've got better things to spend 20+ million a year on than a QB on the downslope of his career with a bad neck.The Eagles have put up plenty of points the last couple of years...the problems are on defense and with heart. Manning wouldn't help that first problem...he'd make it harder because of the $ involved.

Assuming he's healthy, there is no better way we could spend $20 million dollars. Let's not forget who we are talking about here

 

[Jason Wood]

It's this kind of chatter on major Philly sports that just repulses me though. There's so much to legitimately dissect about the Birds and yet these WIP yahoos glom onto something ridiculous like Manning to Philly. It fuels the rest of the world's perception that we're collectively not a good fan base.

 

[Shane Falco]

It's this kind of chatter on major Philly sports that just repulses me though. There's so much to legitimately dissect about the Birds and yet these WIP yahoos glom onto something ridiculous like Manning to Philly. It fuels the rest of the world's perception that we're collectively not a good fan base.

+1I think most of the radio heads know less about football and sports than your average Footballguy and can only talk about big name guys (Eskin) or other sports (Angelo and baseball)Sometimes I think listening to Philly sports-talk actually makes one dumber

 

[Skeletore Eh]

It's this kind of chatter on major Philly sports that just repulses me though. There's so much to legitimately dissect about the Birds and yet these WIP yahoos glom onto something ridiculous like Manning to Philly. It fuels the rest of the world's perception that we're collectively not a good fan base.

+1I think most of the radio heads know less about football and sports than your average Footballguy and can only talk about big name guys (Eskin) or other sports (Angelo and baseball)Sometimes I think listening to Philly sports-talk actually makes one dumber

I never understood this type of mentality. If the sports talk shows in Philly are so repulsive and they make people dumber why are you listening? Quite frankly it's partly your own fault for living in the stone age and still listening to WIP. It's about entertainment value and ratings, and the average sports fan, which is who these shows cater to, isn't as educated as most in the shark pool. When topics are a little too mainstream or dumbed down, listen to music.

 

[Jason Wood]

It's this kind of chatter on major Philly sports that just repulses me though. There's so much to legitimately dissect about the Birds and yet these WIP yahoos glom onto something ridiculous like Manning to Philly. It fuels the rest of the world's perception that we're collectively not a good fan base.

+1I think most of the radio heads know less about football and sports than your average Footballguy and can only talk about big name guys (Eskin) or other sports (Angelo and baseball)Sometimes I think listening to Philly sports-talk actually makes one dumber

I never understood this type of mentality. If the sports talk shows in Philly are so repulsive and they make people dumber why are you listening? Quite frankly it's partly your own fault for living in the stone age and still listening to WIP. It's about entertainment value and ratings, and the average sports fan, which is who these shows cater to, isn't as educated as most in the shark pool. When topics are a little too mainstream or dumbed down, listen to music.

I agree, the only time I hear about the chodes on WIP and what they're saying is when someone in a thread posts something or my buddies who I sit with at games pelt me with the news.

 

[Jason Wood]

No surprise, but Andy is set to officially confirm that Juan will remain the defensive coordinator this year when he meets with the media tomorrow:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/138322809.html

Interestingly, we've replaced Johnnie Lynn with Todd Bowles, which I have to applaud since Bowles did an admirable job as the Dolphins interim HC last season and, by many accounts, almost locked up the permanent HC gig.

 

[Amused to Death]

No surprise, but Andy is set to officially confirm that Juan will remain the defensive coordinator this year when he meets with the media tomorrow:http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/138322809.htmlInterestingly, we've replaced Johnnie Lynn with Todd Bowles, which I have to applaud since Bowles did an admirable job as the Dolphins interim HC last season and, by many accounts, almost locked up the permanent HC gig.

Just came here to post the same thing...maybe no surprise, but it was no guarantee. As recently as last week even Juan didn't know his job status. I think this was the best solution after failing to get Spags to save face for both Andy and Castillo.Here's to a much better '12!

 

[Skeletore Eh]

No surprise, but Andy is set to officially confirm that Juan will remain the defensive coordinator this year when he meets with the media tomorrow:http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/138322809.htmlInterestingly, we've replaced Johnnie Lynn with Todd Bowles, which I have to applaud since Bowles did an admirable job as the Dolphins interim HC last season and, by many accounts, almost locked up the permanent HC gig.

It's about time we hear anything from Reid. Was tired of hearing people talk about him being on vacation. I also like the Bowles hire. If we are gonna rip on Castillo for the defense, johnnie Lynn deserves some blame for the secondary. Don't see how it isn't a positive to get a guy who was interviewing for head coaching positions as your DB coach.

 

[Shane Falco]

It's this kind of chatter on major Philly sports that just repulses me though. There's so much to legitimately dissect about the Birds and yet these WIP yahoos glom onto something ridiculous like Manning to Philly. It fuels the rest of the world's perception that we're collectively not a good fan base.

+1I think most of the radio heads know less about football and sports than your average Footballguy and can only talk about big name guys (Eskin) or other sports (Angelo and baseball)Sometimes I think listening to Philly sports-talk actually makes one dumber

I never understood this type of mentality. If the sports talk shows in Philly are so repulsive and they make people dumber why are you listening? Quite frankly it's partly your own fault for living in the stone age and still listening to WIP. It's about entertainment value and ratings, and the average sports fan, which is who these shows cater to, isn't as educated as most in the shark pool. When topics are a little too mainstream or dumbed down, listen to music.

I agree, the only time I hear about the chodes on WIP and what they're saying is when someone in a thread posts something or my buddies who I sit with at games pelt me with the news.

I don't listen and I agree with WoodSorry for offending those that do

 

[Snotbubbles]

It's this kind of chatter on major Philly sports that just repulses me though. There's so much to legitimately dissect about the Birds and yet these WIP yahoos glom onto something ridiculous like Manning to Philly. It fuels the rest of the world's perception that we're collectively not a good fan base.

Who gives a crap about the rest of the world's perceptions. I don't need them to validate how great the Philadelphia fanbase is.

 

[delusional]

So the guy they wanted to interview last year for the DC position was hired this year as the secondary coach while Juan still retains the DC tag.

W T F .

Any other team in the league and this would be getting blasted by the media & analyst but since its Andy Reid, its fine. I don't get it. Juan showed NOTHING to deserve to be DC last season or even next season but its Reid so its ok! Guess they really did want spags which is why they didnt accounce Juan as the DC until this move. Reid can't get out of here fast enough. Tired of this crap.

Lets hope Bowles has some input on the defensive side of the draft.

 

[Jason Wood]

So the guy they wanted to interview last year for the DC position was hired this year as the secondary coach while Juan still retains the DC tag. W T F .Any other team in the league and this would be getting blasted by the media & analyst but since its Andy Reid, its fine. I don't get it. Juan showed NOTHING to deserve to be DC last season or even next season but its Reid so its ok! Guess they really did want spags which is why they didnt accounce Juan as the DC until this move. Reid can't get out of here fast enough. Tired of this crap.Lets hope Bowles has some input on the defensive side of the draft.

At this rate I wonder if any Eagles games will be broadcast locally, for fear of blackouts. I mean with such a disastrous and poorly run organization, we can't reasonably expect sell-outs each game, can we?

 

[Skeletore Eh]

So the guy they wanted to interview last year for the DC position was hired this year as the secondary coach while Juan still retains the DC tag. W T F .Any other team in the league and this would be getting blasted by the media & analyst but since its Andy Reid, its fine. I don't get it. Juan showed NOTHING to deserve to be DC last season or even next season but its Reid so its ok! Guess they really did want spags which is why they didnt accounce Juan as the DC until this move. Reid can't get out of here fast enough. Tired of this crap.Lets hope Bowles has some input on the defensive side of the draft.

At this rate I wonder if any Eagles games will be broadcast locally, for fear of blackouts. I mean with such a disastrous and poorly run organization, we can't reasonably expect sell-outs each game, can we?

Yeah the commitment and loyalty of eagle fans is a direct correlation to how well the organization is being run.

 

[CentralPA]

Love the Bowles hiring. The guy could probably be D-coordinator too but Juan obviously is getting a 2nd chance. I really wished they would've hired Spags but i'm willing to give Juan the benefit of the doubt for last year. Give him another season with a full slate of mini camps and a full training camp to see if things gel. It's probably the offical (in my best Hugh Douglas voice) DO OR DIIIE season for Andy Reid and the staff.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Love the Bowles hiring. The guy could probably be D-coordinator too but Juan obviously is getting a 2nd chance. I really wished they would've hired Spags but i'm willing to give Juan the benefit of the doubt for last year. Give him another season with a full slate of mini camps and a full training camp to see if things gel. It's probably the offical (in my best Hugh Douglas voice) DO OR DIIIE season for Andy Reid and the staff.

I'm curious about what people think the line of do or die for Andy is? I think at this point if they miss the playoffs he's not coming back. But if they lose in the first round? In the NFC championship? I'm not really sure. I tend to think another trip to the NFC championship would save his job. But a loss in the first round or the divisional round, I'm not sure.

 

[Jason Wood]

Love the Bowles hiring. The guy could probably be D-coordinator too but Juan obviously is getting a 2nd chance. I really wished they would've hired Spags but i'm willing to give Juan the benefit of the doubt for last year. Give him another season with a full slate of mini camps and a full training camp to see if things gel. It's probably the offical (in my best Hugh Douglas voice) DO OR DIIIE season for Andy Reid and the staff.

I'm curious about what people think the line of do or die for Andy is? I think at this point if they miss the playoffs he's not coming back. But if they lose in the first round? In the NFC championship? I'm not really sure. I tend to think another trip to the NFC championship would save his job. But a loss in the first round or the divisional round, I'm not sure.

I would say it's not set in stone. I agree with you that no playoffs = change. But if the team secures a bye, for example, and then loses in the divisional round? Not sure I could see Lurie making a change, at least not 100%.

 

[Gold Standard]

Love the Bowles hiring. The guy could probably be D-coordinator too but Juan obviously is getting a 2nd chance. I really wished they would've hired Spags but i'm willing to give Juan the benefit of the doubt for last year. Give him another season with a full slate of mini camps and a full training camp to see if things gel. It's probably the offical (in my best Hugh Douglas voice) DO OR DIIIE season for Andy Reid and the staff.

I'm curious about what people think the line of do or die for Andy is? I think at this point if they miss the playoffs he's not coming back. But if they lose in the first round? In the NFC championship? I'm not really sure. I tend to think another trip to the NFC championship would save his job. But a loss in the first round or the divisional round, I'm not sure.

I would say it's not set in stone. I agree with you that no playoffs = change. But if the team secures a bye, for example, and then loses in the divisional round? Not sure I could see Lurie making a change, at least not 100%.

Short of a serious run next season, which I don't see happenng, no fan in their right mind is going to welcome a 14th season of Reid having to do a better job of putting people in a better position to make a play. Absolutely ridicolous to me that the Giants are going to win the Super Bowl, and yet this whole regime comes back without any consequences.

 

[Jason Wood]

Love the Bowles hiring. The guy could probably be D-coordinator too but Juan obviously is getting a 2nd chance. I really wished they would've hired Spags but i'm willing to give Juan the benefit of the doubt for last year. Give him another season with a full slate of mini camps and a full training camp to see if things gel. It's probably the offical (in my best Hugh Douglas voice) DO OR DIIIE season for Andy Reid and the staff.

I'm curious about what people think the line of do or die for Andy is? I think at this point if they miss the playoffs he's not coming back. But if they lose in the first round? In the NFC championship? I'm not really sure. I tend to think another trip to the NFC championship would save his job. But a loss in the first round or the divisional round, I'm not sure.

I would say it's not set in stone. I agree with you that no playoffs = change. But if the team secures a bye, for example, and then loses in the divisional round? Not sure I could see Lurie making a change, at least not 100%.

Short of a serious run next season, which I don't see happenng, no fan in their right mind is going to welcome a 14th season of Reid having to do a better job of putting people in a better position to make a play. Absolutely ridicolous to me that the Giants are going to win the Super Bowl, and yet this whole regime comes back without any consequences.

Right, I think we all agree that's the tone Lurie has set for this year. The question is what defines a "serious run." Would a 13-3 record and a bye, but a loss in the divisionals count? Would a 9-7 wild card berth but a loss in the NFC Championship game count? What about a division crown, a win in the first week, but a loss in the divisionals?

 

[Amused to Death]

Love the Bowles hiring. The guy could probably be D-coordinator too but Juan obviously is getting a 2nd chance. I really wished they would've hired Spags but i'm willing to give Juan the benefit of the doubt for last year. Give him another season with a full slate of mini camps and a full training camp to see if things gel. It's probably the offical (in my best Hugh Douglas voice) DO OR DIIIE season for Andy Reid and the staff.

I'm curious about what people think the line of do or die for Andy is? I think at this point if they miss the playoffs he's not coming back. But if they lose in the first round? In the NFC championship? I'm not really sure. I tend to think another trip to the NFC championship would save his job. But a loss in the first round or the divisional round, I'm not sure.

I would say it's not set in stone. I agree with you that no playoffs = change. But if the team secures a bye, for example, and then loses in the divisional round? Not sure I could see Lurie making a change, at least not 100%.

Obviously we don't know what Lurie has in mind, but I at least hope they have to win a playoff game. If they have a first round bye and lose at home to an upstart Lions team, I can't see how Reid could stay. Its obvious Reid is a great coach. But we already know he can get to the playoffs (most years). In year 14 (that magical year) he has to show he can get back to the Super Bowl. At the very least get back to the NFCCG. Anything less has to be time for a change.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Love the Bowles hiring. The guy could probably be D-coordinator too but Juan obviously is getting a 2nd chance. I really wished they would've hired Spags but i'm willing to give Juan the benefit of the doubt for last year. Give him another season with a full slate of mini camps and a full training camp to see if things gel. It's probably the offical (in my best Hugh Douglas voice) DO OR DIIIE season for Andy Reid and the staff.

I'm curious about what people think the line of do or die for Andy is? I think at this point if they miss the playoffs he's not coming back. But if they lose in the first round? In the NFC championship? I'm not really sure. I tend to think another trip to the NFC championship would save his job. But a loss in the first round or the divisional round, I'm not sure.

I would say it's not set in stone. I agree with you that no playoffs = change. But if the team secures a bye, for example, and then loses in the divisional round? Not sure I could see Lurie making a change, at least not 100%.

Obviously we don't know what Lurie has in mind, but I at least hope they have to win a playoff game. If they have a first round bye and lose at home to an upstart Lions team, I can't see how Reid could stay. Its obvious Reid is a great coach. But we already know he can get to the playoffs (most years). In year 14 (that magical year) he has to show he can get back to the Super Bowl. At the very least get back to the NFCCG. Anything less has to be time for a change.

Laurie said this was the most disappointing year since he's had the team. I can't imagine anything other then at the very least a SB appereance gets Andy back again or he's done.I'm going the way of what Sal Pal said...Andy is just a lame duck coach a year early because of what Laurie said. He HAS to get there or win it to be back.

 

[Amused to Death]

Right, I think we all agree that's the tone Lurie has set for this year. The question is what defines a "serious run." Would a 13-3 record and a bye, but a loss in the divisionals count? Would a 9-7 wild card berth but a loss in the NFC Championship game count? What about a division crown, a win in the first week, but a loss in the divisionals?

Don't know what Lurie's definition is, but looking at your 3 scenarios I'd say:13-3 record and a bye, but a loss in the divisionals = Fired9-7 wild card berth but a loss in the NFC Championship game = on the fence, but 2013 would have to be a true Championship-or-bust for mea division crown, a win in the first week, but a loss in the divisionals = FiredI've already stated in some Eagles thread or another, my opinion is that a 9-7 (or even a 9-6-1) season with a loss in the NFCCG is a more successful season than going 11-5 and no playoff wins. I'm all about the post season success. They don't plan parades for the best regular season.

 

[Jason Wood]

Right, I think we all agree that's the tone Lurie has set for this year. The question is what defines a "serious run." Would a 13-3 record and a bye, but a loss in the divisionals count? Would a 9-7 wild card berth but a loss in the NFC Championship game count? What about a division crown, a win in the first week, but a loss in the divisionals?

Don't know what Lurie's definition is, but looking at your 3 scenarios I'd say:13-3 record and a bye, but a loss in the divisionals = Fired9-7 wild card berth but a loss in the NFC Championship game = on the fence, but 2013 would have to be a true Championship-or-bust for mea division crown, a win in the first week, but a loss in the divisionals = FiredI've already stated in some Eagles thread or another, my opinion is that a 9-7 (or even a 9-6-1) season with a loss in the NFCCG is a more successful season than going 11-5 and no playoff wins. I'm all about the post season success. They don't plan parades for the best regular season.

Fair enough. I think the issue though is that no matter what you or I define as "serious run" it's quite possibly different than what Lurie will think.I mean Coughlin was by many accounts on the verge of being fired this year, and now he's potentially about to win his 2nd Super Bowl with the team. The NFL is a fickle beast.

 

[dhockster]

Love the Bowles hiring. The guy could probably be D-coordinator too but Juan obviously is getting a 2nd chance. I really wished they would've hired Spags but i'm willing to give Juan the benefit of the doubt for last year. Give him another season with a full slate of mini camps and a full training camp to see if things gel. It's probably the offical (in my best Hugh Douglas voice) DO OR DIIIE season for Andy Reid and the staff.

I'm curious about what people think the line of do or die for Andy is? I think at this point if they miss the playoffs he's not coming back. But if they lose in the first round? In the NFC championship? I'm not really sure. I tend to think another trip to the NFC championship would save his job. But a loss in the first round or the divisional round, I'm not sure.

I would say it's not set in stone. I agree with you that no playoffs = change. But if the team secures a bye, for example, and then loses in the divisional round? Not sure I could see Lurie making a change, at least not 100%.

Short of a serious run next season, which I don't see happenng, no fan in their right mind is going to welcome a 14th season of Reid having to do a better job of putting people in a better position to make a play. Absolutely ridicolous to me that the Giants are going to win the Super Bowl, and yet this whole regime comes back without any consequences.

By your logic, it sounds like the Eagles are miles away from getting to the Superbowl. Yet, this Eagles team, with VY at QB beat the Giants in Giants stadium, with a great defensive performance. In addition, if the Jets don't give up a 99 yard touchdown to Victor Cruz right before the half in the Jets-Giants game, the Jets probably win that game, and the Eagles make the playoffs and the Giants don't. I know, I know, if my Aunt had a package she would be my uncle, but I think it illustrates how closely grouped so many teams are. Because of that, and the fact that the Eagles should be better offensively and defensively after having been together for a full season under new systems (blocking on offense), this is not the year to have consequences, but the year to see if this team can win it all in its current structure. If they fail this year, then it is time to start afresh with a new coach and a new QB.

 

[Amused to Death]

Right, I think we all agree that's the tone Lurie has set for this year. The question is what defines a "serious run." Would a 13-3 record and a bye, but a loss in the divisionals count? Would a 9-7 wild card berth but a loss in the NFC Championship game count? What about a division crown, a win in the first week, but a loss in the divisionals?

Don't know what Lurie's definition is, but looking at your 3 scenarios I'd say:13-3 record and a bye, but a loss in the divisionals = Fired9-7 wild card berth but a loss in the NFC Championship game = on the fence, but 2013 would have to be a true Championship-or-bust for mea division crown, a win in the first week, but a loss in the divisionals = FiredI've already stated in some Eagles thread or another, my opinion is that a 9-7 (or even a 9-6-1) season with a loss in the NFCCG is a more successful season than going 11-5 and no playoff wins. I'm all about the post season success. They don't plan parades for the best regular season.

Fair enough. I think the issue though is that no matter what you or I define as "serious run" it's quite possibly different than what Lurie will think.I mean Coughlin was by many accounts on the verge of being fired this year, and now he's potentially about to win his 2nd Super Bowl with the team. The NFL is a fickle beast.

Agree about Coughlin and regardless what happens in the SB all the 'fire Coughlin' talk has to stop for a while. He won the NFC now twice in 5 years and maybe his 2nd Championship. Reid hasn't won squat in 7 years now and he's deemed untouchable by the national media.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Agree about Coughlin and regardless what happens in the SB all the 'fire Coughlin' talk has to stop for a while. He won the NFC now twice in 5 years and maybe his 2nd Championship. Reid hasn't won squat in 7 years now and he's deemed untouchable by the national media.

Every effing time I read it I get more and more confused at how ANYONE can see how sticking with him is a plus...

 

[Insein]

Love the Bowles hiring. The guy could probably be D-coordinator too but Juan obviously is getting a 2nd chance. I really wished they would've hired Spags but i'm willing to give Juan the benefit of the doubt for last year. Give him another season with a full slate of mini camps and a full training camp to see if things gel. It's probably the offical (in my best Hugh Douglas voice) DO OR DIIIE season for Andy Reid and the staff.

I'm curious about what people think the line of do or die for Andy is? I think at this point if they miss the playoffs he's not coming back. But if they lose in the first round? In the NFC championship? I'm not really sure. I tend to think another trip to the NFC championship would save his job. But a loss in the first round or the divisional round, I'm not sure.

I would say it's not set in stone. I agree with you that no playoffs = change. But if the team secures a bye, for example, and then loses in the divisional round? Not sure I could see Lurie making a change, at least not 100%.

Short of a serious run next season, which I don't see happenng, no fan in their right mind is going to welcome a 14th season of Reid having to do a better job of putting people in a better position to make a play. Absolutely ridicolous to me that the Giants are going to win the Super Bowl, and yet this whole regime comes back without any consequences.

Right, I think we all agree that's the tone Lurie has set for this year. The question is what defines a "serious run." Would a 13-3 record and a bye, but a loss in the divisionals count? Would a 9-7 wild card berth but a loss in the NFC Championship game count? What about a division crown, a win in the first week, but a loss in the divisionals?

For fans nothing less than a Super Bowl run whether they win it or not would be acceptable. For ownership, all you really need to do is suck the first half of the season and show improvement down the stretch. Whether that means sneaking into the playoffs or just missing it but finishing 9-7 on a 4 game winning streak doesn't seem to matter anymore. How bout win a playoff game for the first time in 4 years. that'd be a start at least.

 

[Amused to Death]

Agree about Coughlin and regardless what happens in the SB all the 'fire Coughlin' talk has to stop for a while. He won the NFC now twice in 5 years and maybe his 2nd Championship. Reid hasn't won squat in 7 years now and he's deemed untouchable by the national media.

Every effing time I read it I get more and more confused at how ANYONE can see how sticking with him is a plus...

Because who else can do a better job? Fact: Since Andy Reid has been the HC of the Eagles, only 2 Super Bowls have been won by a coach hired before him, the 1999 Rams (Vermeil hired in 1997) and the 2005 Steelers (Cowher hired in 1992). Every other SB since 1999 has been won by a coach hired in 1999 or later.

 

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Bowles =

 

[Snotbubbles]

Agree about Coughlin and regardless what happens in the SB all the 'fire Coughlin' talk has to stop for a while. He won the NFC now twice in 5 years and maybe his 2nd Championship. Reid hasn't won squat in 7 years now and he's deemed untouchable by the national media.

Every effing time I read it I get more and more confused at how ANYONE can see how sticking with him is a plus...

You get the "be careful what you wish for" crowd, spouting off about who is going to be a better HC. It's almost as if people believe Andy Reid is the only person on the planet who is a viable NFL coach.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Agree about Coughlin and regardless what happens in the SB all the 'fire Coughlin' talk has to stop for a while. He won the NFC now twice in 5 years and maybe his 2nd Championship. Reid hasn't won squat in 7 years now and he's deemed untouchable by the national media.

Every effing time I read it I get more and more confused at how ANYONE can see how sticking with him is a plus...

Because who else can do a better job? Fact: Since Andy Reid has been the HC of the Eagles, only 2 Super Bowls have been won by a coach hired before him, the 1999 Rams (Vermeil hired in 1997) and the 2005 Steelers (Cowher hired in 1992). Every other SB since 1999 has been won by a coach hired in 1999 or later.

Huh?

 

[Insein]

Agree about Coughlin and regardless what happens in the SB all the 'fire Coughlin' talk has to stop for a while. He won the NFC now twice in 5 years and maybe his 2nd Championship. Reid hasn't won squat in 7 years now and he's deemed untouchable by the national media.

Every effing time I read it I get more and more confused at how ANYONE can see how sticking with him is a plus...

Because who else can do a better job? Fact: Since Andy Reid has been the HC of the Eagles, only 2 Super Bowls have been won by a coach hired before him, the 1999 Rams (Vermeil hired in 1997) and the 2005 Steelers (Cowher hired in 1992). Every other SB since 1999 has been won by a coach hired in 1999 or later.

Huh?

First line is sarcasm. Second paragraph explains why the first is sarcasm. Hope that clears it up.