*** 2012 Official Philadelphia Eagles Post Mortem Thread *** (3 Viewers)

[JAA]

The Eagles just hired Castillo's replacement in Bowles. If the defense struggles early in the season ... :wave:

 

[Amused to Death]

Agree about Coughlin and regardless what happens in the SB all the 'fire Coughlin' talk has to stop for a while. He won the NFC now twice in 5 years and maybe his 2nd Championship. Reid hasn't won squat in 7 years now and he's deemed untouchable by the national media.

Every effing time I read it I get more and more confused at how ANYONE can see how sticking with him is a plus...

Because who else can do a better job? Fact: Since Andy Reid has been the HC of the Eagles, only 2 Super Bowls have been won by a coach hired before him, the 1999 Rams (Vermeil hired in 1997) and the 2005 Steelers (Cowher hired in 1992). Every other SB since 1999 has been won by a coach hired in 1999 or later.

Huh?

First line is sarcasm. Second paragraph explains why the first is sarcasm. Hope that clears it up.

Sorry for the confusion. Every time you hear 'who can do a better job', well most SB's since Reid was hired has been won by a coach hired after him.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The Eagles just hired Castillo's replacement in Bowles. If the defense struggles early in the season ... :wave:

I thought that but isnt he a 3-4 guy?

 

[Jason Wood]

The Eagles just hired Castillo's replacement in Bowles. If the defense struggles early in the season ... :wave:

I thought that but isnt he a 3-4 guy?

He's been a defensive backs/secondary coach for the entirety of his NFL career, save for those few games last year as HC in Miami -- when he obviously wasn't going to switch any schemes.

 

[Insein]

The Eagles just hired Castillo's replacement in Bowles. If the defense struggles early in the season ... :wave:

I thought that but isnt he a 3-4 guy?

It's not like he can't run any other defensive scheme. They'd adjust and/or get the players they need later.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The Eagles just hired Castillo's replacement in Bowles. If the defense struggles early in the season ... :wave:

I thought that but isnt he a 3-4 guy?

It's not like he can't run any other defensive scheme. They'd adjust and/or get the players they need later.

I just don't know much about him. I like the experiance he brings to the staff though, that can only help.

 

[Jason Wood]

The Eagles just hired Castillo's replacement in Bowles. If the defense struggles early in the season ... :wave:

I thought that but isnt he a 3-4 guy?

It's not like he can't run any other defensive scheme. They'd adjust and/or get the players they need later.

I just don't know much about him. I like the experiance he brings to the staff though, that can only help.

As I said, his entire NFL coaching experience has been in the defensive backfield. He's neither a 4-3 guy or a 3-4 guy, yet. He may have some views on which he would prefer if he were given the opportunity to coordinate a defense, but obviously that's to be determined.

 

[Amused to Death]

Apparently Andy is being far more engaging and open in today's presser. He admitted they offered Spags "a spot on the team" and had an interesting take on being 8-8, "I'm not happy about it but I'm not going to cry over it either".

Anyone else listening and have thoughts to share?

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Apparently Andy is being far more engaging and open in today's presser. He admitted they offered Spags "a spot on the team" and had an interesting take on being 8-8, "I'm not happy about it but I'm not going to cry over it either".Anyone else listening and have thoughts to share?

I particularly enjoyed the fact that he offered spags a spot on the staff, but didn't discuss titles, which just sounds stupid. I wonder why spags went to NO? Would you like to be a defensive coordinator or an unknown position? That's the way to go get em Andy! Bottom line, Andy wasnt gettin rid of Juan because Juan was his guy, and Andy woulda looked like an ### and basically admitted that hiring him last year was a colossal mistake.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Apparently Andy is being far more engaging and open in today's presser. He admitted they offered Spags "a spot on the team" and had an interesting take on being 8-8, "I'm not happy about it but I'm not going to cry over it either".

Anyone else listening and have thoughts to share?

I particularly enjoyed the fact that he offered spags a spot on the staff, but didn't discuss titles, which just sounds stupid. I wonder why spags went to NO? Would you like to be a defensive coordinator or an unknown position? That's the way to go get em Andy! Bottom line, Andy wasnt gettin rid of Juan because Juan was his guy, and Andy woulda looked like an ### and basically admitted that hiring him last year was a colossal mistake.

The more I thought about it the more sense it made. Spags was just fired in STL and I'm sure it's no secret around the league that Andy's situation isnt stable at all. If Andy were to go Spags would probably be let go again...there just seems to be more stability in N.O.

 

[unckeyherb]

Apparently Andy is being far more engaging and open in today's presser. He admitted they offered Spags "a spot on the team" and had an interesting take on being 8-8, "I'm not happy about it but I'm not going to cry over it either".

Anyone else listening and have thoughts to share?

I particularly enjoyed the fact that he offered spags a spot on the staff, but didn't discuss titles, which just sounds stupid. I wonder why spags went to NO? Would you like to be a defensive coordinator or an unknown position? That's the way to go get em Andy! Bottom line, Andy wasnt gettin rid of Juan because Juan was his guy, and Andy woulda looked like an ### and basically admitted that hiring him last year was a colossal mistake.

The more I thought about it the more sense it made. Spags was just fired in STL and I'm sure it's no secret around the league that Andy's situation isnt stable at all. If Andy were to go Spags would probably be let go again...there just seems to be more stability in N.O.

You could also argue that Spags, provided he did well in Philly, would have been a shoe-in candidate to replace Andy next year..

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Apparently Andy is being far more engaging and open in today's presser. He admitted they offered Spags "a spot on the team" and had an interesting take on being 8-8, "I'm not happy about it but I'm not going to cry over it either".

Anyone else listening and have thoughts to share?

I particularly enjoyed the fact that he offered spags a spot on the staff, but didn't discuss titles, which just sounds stupid. I wonder why spags went to NO? Would you like to be a defensive coordinator or an unknown position? That's the way to go get em Andy! Bottom line, Andy wasnt gettin rid of Juan because Juan was his guy, and Andy woulda looked like an ### and basically admitted that hiring him last year was a colossal mistake.

The more I thought about it the more sense it made. Spags was just fired in STL and I'm sure it's no secret around the league that Andy's situation isnt stable at all. If Andy were to go Spags would probably be let go again...there just seems to be more stability in N.O.

You could also argue that Spags, provided he did well in Philly, would have been a shoe-in candidate to replace Andy next year..

With the resume of what he did in STL? I wouldnt think so, and I doubt he would get a guarentee from anyone before hand.

 

[Jason Wood]

Apparently Andy is being far more engaging and open in today's presser. He admitted they offered Spags "a spot on the team" and had an interesting take on being 8-8, "I'm not happy about it but I'm not going to cry over it either".Anyone else listening and have thoughts to share?

I particularly enjoyed the fact that he offered spags a spot on the staff, but didn't discuss titles, which just sounds stupid. I wonder why spags went to NO? Would you like to be a defensive coordinator or an unknown position? That's the way to go get em Andy! Bottom line, Andy wasnt gettin rid of Juan because Juan was his guy, and Andy woulda looked like an ### and basically admitted that hiring him last year was a colossal mistake.

Actually there is precedent where coaches, who view themselves as head coaching material again in short order, accept Assistant Head coach or consultant positions without taking on a coordinator mantle for their OWN GOOD. It allows them to do the job, while not being subject to the team's right to keep them from interviewing for other positions. I highly doubt Spags turned down the offer because of the title, but instead felt it was a better opportunity to make a name for himself and reestablish his resume as a head coaching option in New Orleans.

 

[delusional]

Apparently Andy is being far more engaging and open in today's presser. He admitted they offered Spags "a spot on the team" and had an interesting take on being 8-8, "I'm not happy about it but I'm not going to cry over it either".Anyone else listening and have thoughts to share?

What is there to share? Reid should have been let go along with Juan. When your position coaches have more pull / say on the defense then your defensive cord does, there is a HUGE FREAKING PROBLEM. I mean hell, what established cord would want to come in to be Juans side kick / hand holder? Do not blame Spags at all for not taking this job & frankly, doesnt surprise me one bit. Kinda think there was something of an issue like when they had to settle on juan in the first place.I have never seen a team make this much of a spotlight over position coaches before. Only the eagles could do this. On top of that, how the hell does Lurie go along with this?

 

[Jason Wood]

Apparently Andy is being far more engaging and open in today's presser. He admitted they offered Spags "a spot on the team" and had an interesting take on being 8-8, "I'm not happy about it but I'm not going to cry over it either".Anyone else listening and have thoughts to share?

What is there to share? Reid should have been let go along with Juan. When your position coaches have more pull / say on the defense then your defensive cord does, there is a HUGE FREAKING PROBLEM. I mean hell, what established cord would want to come in to be Juans side kick / hand holder? Do not blame Spags at all for not taking this job & frankly, doesnt surprise me one bit. Kinda think there was something of an issue like when they had to settle on juan in the first place.I have never seen a team make this much of a spotlight over position coaches before. Only the eagles could do this. On top of that, how the hell does Lurie go along with this?

Putting aside whether you love or hate this team (I honestly can never be sure with you), you do realize that this exact same thing happens all the time, everywhere, right?Tons of teams presser and have interviews when position coaches are hired, particularly when they have some notoriety. It seems like a "big deal" in this case because you're paying attention to it. If you were in Baltimore and they were hiring Jim Caldwell to coach quarterbacks, it would be getting a lot of run, too. Or the Dave McGinnis hire in St. Louis. With the NFL season wearing down and baseball not yet underway, sports talk and sports journalists/bloggers need stuff to talk about, unless your team is undergoing more major changes (e.g., head coach or coordinators), OF COURSE the hiring of other assistants is going to be worth a news cycle.

 

[Insein]

I got a whole lotta nothing as usual from the presser. Yea he was more friendly. Probably from taking a month off away from the fans and the media. In the end, he said he needs to do a better job at putting guys in a better position. He just used a thesaurus.

Actions speak louder than words. The FA period and Draft will tell us a lot about what Andy thinks this year is going to be.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I thought this was an interesting read.

 

[Insein]

I thought this was an interesting read.

The first part of the article if written by anyone else, I would have paid it no mind as just a conspiracy piece. since it was Diddi though, I'm inclined to listen. I'm no fan of Reid or Castillo but I don't read too much into things players say when cornered by the media. If Diddinger thinks something is there though, maybe there is. I wonder how much of the turn around was Juan getting things in place or Andy stepping in and saying "get your #### together, you're making me look bad."

 

[Amused to Death]

I got a whole lotta nothing as usual from the presser. Yea he was more friendly. Probably from taking a month off away from the fans and the media. In the end, he said he needs to do a better job at putting guys in a better position. He just used a thesaurus. Actions speak louder than words. The FA period and Draft will tell us a lot about what Andy thinks this year is going to be.

I'm going to try to change my outlook. I'm an Eagles fan first and foremost. I have to root for the team so if Lurie is sticking with Reid for another year, I'm all for it. I want the team to succeed. We have no major coaching changes. Most of the players are in place and with another off-season to strengthen the weaknesses I have to try to be optimistic. There will be no major shake up this off-season, so I'll get behind them for another run at it. Andy's a great coach and I don't think anyone would be surprised to see them return to elite status in '12.And if they don't, I'm confident there will a major change in leadership in '13 and a new regime to get behind.E-A-G-L-E-S- EAGLES!!!! (c'mon, its worth a shot...who else you gonna root for?!)

 

[renesauz]

I got a whole lotta nothing as usual from the presser. Yea he was more friendly. Probably from taking a month off away from the fans and the media. In the end, he said he needs to do a better job at putting guys in a better position. He just used a thesaurus. Actions speak louder than words. The FA period and Draft will tell us a lot about what Andy thinks this year is going to be.

I'm going to try to change my outlook. I'm an Eagles fan first and foremost. I have to root for the team so if Lurie is sticking with Reid for another year, I'm all for it. I want the team to succeed. We have no major coaching changes. Most of the players are in place and with another off-season to strengthen the weaknesses I have to try to be optimistic. There will be no major shake up this off-season, so I'll get behind them for another run at it. Andy's a great coach and I don't think anyone would be surprised to see them return to elite status in '12.And if they don't, I'm confident there will a major change in leadership in '13 and a new regime to get behind.E-A-G-L-E-S- EAGLES!!!! (c'mon, its worth a shot...who else you gonna root for?!)

This is the right attitude.Like it or not, there's a ready made excuse for Castillo's (the defense') poor performance. Like it or not, that defense played MUCH better late in the year.IMO, Reid's future is handcuffed to Castillo and the defense. Personally, I'm rooting for them to succeed. If they don't, THEN I'll join the irrational hotheads calling for Reid's head. I'm not happy with last year, but there is plenty of reason to hope.GO EAGLES!

 

[Insein]

I got a whole lotta nothing as usual from the presser. Yea he was more friendly. Probably from taking a month off away from the fans and the media. In the end, he said he needs to do a better job at putting guys in a better position. He just used a thesaurus. Actions speak louder than words. The FA period and Draft will tell us a lot about what Andy thinks this year is going to be.

I'm going to try to change my outlook. I'm an Eagles fan first and foremost. I have to root for the team so if Lurie is sticking with Reid for another year, I'm all for it. I want the team to succeed. We have no major coaching changes. Most of the players are in place and with another off-season to strengthen the weaknesses I have to try to be optimistic. There will be no major shake up this off-season, so I'll get behind them for another run at it. Andy's a great coach and I don't think anyone would be surprised to see them return to elite status in '12.And if they don't, I'm confident there will a major change in leadership in '13 and a new regime to get behind.E-A-G-L-E-S- EAGLES!!!! (c'mon, its worth a shot...who else you gonna root for?!)

This is the right attitude.Like it or not, there's a ready made excuse for Castillo's (the defense') poor performance. Like it or not, that defense played MUCH better late in the year.IMO, Reid's future is handcuffed to Castillo and the defense. Personally, I'm rooting for them to succeed. If they don't, THEN I'll join the irrational hotheads calling for Reid's head. I'm not happy with last year, but there is plenty of reason to hope.GO EAGLES!

I reserve optimism for our offseason moves. I was very excited going into last year. Didn't work out so well.

 

[Amused to Death]

I got a whole lotta nothing as usual from the presser. Yea he was more friendly. Probably from taking a month off away from the fans and the media. In the end, he said he needs to do a better job at putting guys in a better position. He just used a thesaurus. Actions speak louder than words. The FA period and Draft will tell us a lot about what Andy thinks this year is going to be.

I'm going to try to change my outlook. I'm an Eagles fan first and foremost. I have to root for the team so if Lurie is sticking with Reid for another year, I'm all for it. I want the team to succeed. We have no major coaching changes. Most of the players are in place and with another off-season to strengthen the weaknesses I have to try to be optimistic. There will be no major shake up this off-season, so I'll get behind them for another run at it. Andy's a great coach and I don't think anyone would be surprised to see them return to elite status in '12.And if they don't, I'm confident there will a major change in leadership in '13 and a new regime to get behind.E-A-G-L-E-S- EAGLES!!!! (c'mon, its worth a shot...who else you gonna root for?!)

This is the right attitude.Like it or not, there's a ready made excuse for Castillo's (the defense') poor performance. Like it or not, that defense played MUCH better late in the year.IMO, Reid's future is handcuffed to Castillo and the defense. Personally, I'm rooting for them to succeed. If they don't, THEN I'll join the irrational hotheads calling for Reid's head. I'm not happy with last year, but there is plenty of reason to hope.GO EAGLES!

I reserve optimism for our offseason moves. I was very excited going into last year. Didn't work out so well.

Well I realized today the next thing we have to get excited about it the draft. But if they leave a stud LB or Safety on the board and trade down for extra 2nd and 4th round picks.... I don't buy into the "much" better theory, but certainly better. When I read RDiddy picking the D apart in the last 4 games I can't get too excited. Didinger is always the voice of reason, whether its positive or negative. If his analysis is that the improvement was mostly a mirage, I believe him. Like he pointed out, the goal is to beat GB, NO, now add NYG & SF...3 of those 4 would have still shredded our D in the post-season.

 

[JetMaxx]

I thought this was an interesting read.

But there is danger is putting too much emphasis on the final month of the season. Reid referenced it several times, how much better the Eagles played in winning their last four games. But if you watched the tape and counted the number of breakdowns in coverage, it was not a pretty picture. The defense benefited from playing some lousy quarterbacks and it distorted the results. It should not, however, distort the evaluation.

The rah rah crowd is amusing but this quote from "respected" Ray Didinger says all you need to know about the greatest deficiency on this team. Let's analyze the Eagles: Toughness? No. Character? No. Attention to detail? No. Improvement from the previous year? No. Any proof that this defense can stop a quality OC/QB combo? No. Status quo? Yes. Thanks but this 40 yr season ticket holder has seen enough of this tired act.

 

[Jason Wood]

I watched the entire presser last night and thought Andy did a great job.

Everything he said was candid, logical and perfectly reasonable. Good on him, and good on Lurie for not being a "typical fan."

 

[Skeletore Eh]

I watched the entire presser last night and thought Andy did a great job. Everything he said was candid, logical and perfectly reasonable. Good on him, and good on Lurie for not being a "typical fan."

I'm gonna assume you're just trying to stir the pot. Drum up some conversation in here.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I watched the entire presser last night and thought Andy did a great job. Everything he said was candid, logical and perfectly reasonable. Good on him, and good on Lurie for not being a "typical fan."

I'm gonna assume you're just trying to stir the pot. Drum up some conversation in here.

At least I wasn't the only one thinking it...

 

[Jason Wood]

I watched the entire presser last night and thought Andy did a great job. Everything he said was candid, logical and perfectly reasonable. Good on him, and good on Lurie for not being a "typical fan."

I'm gonna assume you're just trying to stir the pot. Drum up some conversation in here.

Not at all. He said everything I would hope a coach in his position would.

 

[renesauz]

I watched the entire presser last night and thought Andy did a great job. Everything he said was candid, logical and perfectly reasonable. Good on him, and good on Lurie for not being a "typical fan."

I'm gonna assume you're just trying to stir the pot. Drum up some conversation in here.

There is a distinct differance between blind "Rah-Rah" support and "they're going this way, I hope it works, go EAGLES" type of support. A negative attitude at this point is not going to help change a dang thing. A positive attitude by the fans would be better for both the team AND THE FAN.

 

[Jason Wood]

I watched the entire presser last night and thought Andy did a great job. Everything he said was candid, logical and perfectly reasonable. Good on him, and good on Lurie for not being a "typical fan."

I'm gonna assume you're just trying to stir the pot. Drum up some conversation in here.

There is a distinct differance between blind "Rah-Rah" support and "they're going this way, I hope it works, go EAGLES" type of support. A negative attitude at this point is not going to help change a dang thing. A positive attitude by the fans would be better for both the team AND THE FAN.

Exactly.Here's what I took from the presser:*** Andy was more open -- was he an open book? No, but he clearly was trying to be more personable. It's a work in progress*** He (as always) takes full responsibility*** He freely acknowledges that he gets the fans dismay, and that they are yearning for a Super Bowl *** He understands that EVERY year is a make or break year, and thought Lurie was totally right to say what he said*** He felt the defense would take time to gel last year, but thought (incorrectly) that the offense would carry us early*** He won't point fingers, but admitted that the top priority is getting the turnover situation back in the right direction*** He admitted to offering Spags a place on this team, and also admitted that he turned to Bowles AFTER the Spags things didn't go their way*** He took time this year because he didn't want to make the same gaffes he's made in the past, and specifically cited the Sean McDermott fiasco as an example*** He didn't throw DeSean under the bus, but clearly delineated the way DJax handled himself early in the season and late*** He indicated that while nothing is set in stone with Jackson, he didn't blow smoke up our butts and hint we would definitely bring him back either*** He refused to take any of the bait as reporters asked him to make excuses, pointing out (correctly) that excuses don't make the ownership, fans or himself feel better about last yearI honestly don't know what people wanted to hear from him? The guy wants to win, he's trying to win, he knows it's about the Super Bowl for everyone involved, and he's completely conscious of the fact that last year's 8-8 was an unacceptable outcome.Give me a guy like that over a bloviating Rex Ryan every day of the week.

 

[Cable]

I watched the entire presser last night and thought Andy did a great job. Everything he said was candid, logical and perfectly reasonable. Good on him, and good on Lurie for not being a "typical fan."

I'm gonna assume you're just trying to stir the pot. Drum up some conversation in here.

There is a distinct differance between blind "Rah-Rah" support and "they're going this way, I hope it works, go EAGLES" type of support. A negative attitude at this point is not going to help change a dang thing. A positive attitude by the fans would be better for both the team AND THE FAN.

Exactly.Here's what I took from the presser:*** Andy was more open -- was he an open book? No, but he clearly was trying to be more personable. It's a work in progress*** He (as always) takes full responsibility*** He freely acknowledges that he gets the fans dismay, and that they are yearning for a Super Bowl *** He understands that EVERY year is a make or break year, and thought Lurie was totally right to say what he said*** He felt the defense would take time to gel last year, but thought (incorrectly) that the offense would carry us early*** He won't point fingers, but admitted that the top priority is getting the turnover situation back in the right direction*** He admitted to offering Spags a place on this team, and also admitted that he turned to Bowles AFTER the Spags things didn't go their way*** He took time this year because he didn't want to make the same gaffes he's made in the past, and specifically cited the Sean McDermott fiasco as an example*** He didn't throw DeSean under the bus, but clearly delineated the way DJax handled himself early in the season and late*** He indicated that while nothing is set in stone with Jackson, he didn't blow smoke up our butts and hint we would definitely bring him back either*** He refused to take any of the bait as reporters asked him to make excuses, pointing out (correctly) that excuses don't make the ownership, fans or himself feel better about last yearI honestly don't know what people wanted to hear from him? The guy wants to win, he's trying to win, he knows it's about the Super Bowl for everyone involved, and he's completely conscious of the fact that last year's 8-8 was an unacceptable outcome.Give me a guy like that over a bloviating Rex Ryan every day of the week.

Here's what I took from the presser :His "primary thing" was to look at whether he was doing the job to the best of his ability. He's back so his answer, to himself, is "Yes". So this is the best Andy can do, mediocre to good but not great. Bill Parcells put it best, "No matter how much you've won, no matter how many games, no matter how many championships, no matter how many Super Bowls, you're not winning now, so you stink."Fire Andy, he stinks.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

I watched the entire presser last night and thought Andy did a great job. Everything he said was candid, logical and perfectly reasonable. Good on him, and good on Lurie for not being a "typical fan."

I'm gonna assume you're just trying to stir the pot. Drum up some conversation in here.

There is a distinct differance between blind "Rah-Rah" support and "they're going this way, I hope it works, go EAGLES" type of support. A negative attitude at this point is not going to help change a dang thing. A positive attitude by the fans would be better for both the team AND THE FAN.

My opinion of his press conference is neither positive nor negative, it is realistic. Furthermore, if I did have a negative attitude, I do not see in any way why that should impact other fans (you) or the team. Likewise if I had a positive attitude

 

[vinwinephans]

Unless Andy starts or finishes a press conference with a resignation, some people won't be happy.

As for what his press conference said to me - we did not get the job done last year. He took a step back to evaluate the whole thing - himself, the staff, the players and the processes and strategies for how the team conducts its business...

I truly believe he has come back with things he can do better - things the staff can do better, changes to processes and stategies that could benefit the outcome and team better... I just don't expect him to spill his guts on what those things are and I don't think he should have to, publicly.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

I watched the entire presser last night and thought Andy did a great job. Everything he said was candid, logical and perfectly reasonable. Good on him, and good on Lurie for not being a "typical fan."

I'm gonna assume you're just trying to stir the pot. Drum up some conversation in here.

There is a distinct differance between blind "Rah-Rah" support and "they're going this way, I hope it works, go EAGLES" type of support. A negative attitude at this point is not going to help change a dang thing. A positive attitude by the fans would be better for both the team AND THE FAN.

Exactly.Here's what I took from the presser:*** Andy was more open -- was he an open book? No, but he clearly was trying to be more personable. It's a work in progress*** He (as always) takes full responsibility*** He freely acknowledges that he gets the fans dismay, and that they are yearning for a Super Bowl *** He understands that EVERY year is a make or break year, and thought Lurie was totally right to say what he said*** He felt the defense would take time to gel last year, but thought (incorrectly) that the offense would carry us early*** He won't point fingers, but admitted that the top priority is getting the turnover situation back in the right direction*** He admitted to offering Spags a place on this team, and also admitted that he turned to Bowles AFTER the Spags things didn't go their way*** He took time this year because he didn't want to make the same gaffes he's made in the past, and specifically cited the Sean McDermott fiasco as an example*** He didn't throw DeSean under the bus, but clearly delineated the way DJax handled himself early in the season and late*** He indicated that while nothing is set in stone with Jackson, he didn't blow smoke up our butts and hint we would definitely bring him back either*** He refused to take any of the bait as reporters asked him to make excuses, pointing out (correctly) that excuses don't make the ownership, fans or himself feel better about last yearI honestly don't know what people wanted to hear from him? The guy wants to win, he's trying to win, he knows it's about the Super Bowl for everyone involved, and he's completely conscious of the fact that last year's 8-8 was an unacceptable outcome.Give me a guy like that over a bloviating Rex Ryan every day of the week.

I've heard many people say Andy was more open. Only slightly, but more open. What I heard was him telling me to listen about 300 times in a 20 minute presser. Same old Andy. I could go listen to it again, but I will spare myself the frustration. His comments on Desean and Spags were just flat out BS. Desean was great after he was benched? Come on. I can see. He didnt care or try down the stretch. Don't try to tell me again he was "all in". The whole d coordinator situation was a joke. He's got Juan at the senior bowl not knowing if he has a job and he didn't discuss positions with Spags. Gimme a break Thats the way to improve you staff and get the guy you want. Spags interviewed with us first, if you want him, you don't let him leave without a deal. Great recruiting. If you bought that presser than that's a shame, cuz you fell for it hook line and sinker. Yet again.

 

[Jason Wood]

I watched the entire presser last night and thought Andy did a great job.

Everything he said was candid, logical and perfectly reasonable. Good on him, and good on Lurie for not being a "typical fan."

I'm gonna assume you're just trying to stir the pot. Drum up some conversation in here.

There is a distinct differance between blind "Rah-Rah" support and "they're going this way, I hope it works, go EAGLES" type of support. A negative attitude at this point is not going to help change a dang thing. A positive attitude by the fans would be better for both the team AND THE FAN.

Exactly.Here's what I took from the presser:

*** Andy was more open -- was he an open book? No, but he clearly was trying to be more personable. It's a work in progress

*** He (as always) takes full responsibility

*** He freely acknowledges that he gets the fans dismay, and that they are yearning for a Super Bowl

*** He understands that EVERY year is a make or break year, and thought Lurie was totally right to say what he said

*** He felt the defense would take time to gel last year, but thought (incorrectly) that the offense would carry us early

*** He won't point fingers, but admitted that the top priority is getting the turnover situation back in the right direction

*** He admitted to offering Spags a place on this team, and also admitted that he turned to Bowles AFTER the Spags things didn't go their way

*** He took time this year because he didn't want to make the same gaffes he's made in the past, and specifically cited the Sean McDermott fiasco as an example

*** He didn't throw DeSean under the bus, but clearly delineated the way DJax handled himself early in the season and late

*** He indicated that while nothing is set in stone with Jackson, he didn't blow smoke up our butts and hint we would definitely bring him back either

*** He refused to take any of the bait as reporters asked him to make excuses, pointing out (correctly) that excuses don't make the ownership, fans or himself feel better about last year

I honestly don't know what people wanted to hear from him? The guy wants to win, he's trying to win, he knows it's about the Super Bowl for everyone involved, and he's completely conscious of the fact that last year's 8-8 was an unacceptable outcome.

Give me a guy like that over a bloviating Rex Ryan every day of the week.

I've heard many people say Andy was more open. Only slightly, but more open. What I heard was him telling me to listen about 300 times in a 20 minute presser. Same old Andy. I could go listen to it again, but I will spare myself the frustration. His comments on Desean and Spags were just flat out BS. Desean was great after he was benched? Come on. I can see. He didnt care or try down the stretch. Don't try to tell me again he was "all in". The whole d coordinator situation was a joke. He's got Juan at the senior bowl not knowing if he has a job and he didn't discuss positions with Spags. Gimme a break Thats the way to improve you staff and get the guy you want. Spags interviewed with us first, if you want him, you don't let him leave without a deal. Great recruiting. If you bought that presser than that's a shame, cuz you fell for it hook line and sinker. Yet again.

Anytime I'm aligned with my NFL team's owner versus "angry fanboy", is a good day by me.

 

[renesauz]

I watched the entire presser last night and thought Andy did a great job. Everything he said was candid, logical and perfectly reasonable. Good on him, and good on Lurie for not being a "typical fan."

I'm gonna assume you're just trying to stir the pot. Drum up some conversation in here.

There is a distinct differance between blind "Rah-Rah" support and "they're going this way, I hope it works, go EAGLES" type of support. A negative attitude at this point is not going to help change a dang thing. A positive attitude by the fans would be better for both the team AND THE FAN.

My opinion of his press conference is neither positive nor negative, it is realistic. Furthermore, if I did have a negative attitude, I do not see in any way why that should impact other fans (you) or the team. Likewise if I had a positive attitude

You weren't the prime offender, just the guy in the quote

 

[Skeletore Eh]

I watched the entire presser last night and thought Andy did a great job.

Everything he said was candid, logical and perfectly reasonable. Good on him, and good on Lurie for not being a "typical fan."

I'm gonna assume you're just trying to stir the pot. Drum up some conversation in here.

There is a distinct differance between blind "Rah-Rah" support and "they're going this way, I hope it works, go EAGLES" type of support. A negative attitude at this point is not going to help change a dang thing. A positive attitude by the fans would be better for both the team AND THE FAN.

Exactly.Here's what I took from the presser:

*** Andy was more open -- was he an open book? No, but he clearly was trying to be more personable. It's a work in progress

*** He (as always) takes full responsibility

*** He freely acknowledges that he gets the fans dismay, and that they are yearning for a Super Bowl

*** He understands that EVERY year is a make or break year, and thought Lurie was totally right to say what he said

*** He felt the defense would take time to gel last year, but thought (incorrectly) that the offense would carry us early

*** He won't point fingers, but admitted that the top priority is getting the turnover situation back in the right direction

*** He admitted to offering Spags a place on this team, and also admitted that he turned to Bowles AFTER the Spags things didn't go their way

*** He took time this year because he didn't want to make the same gaffes he's made in the past, and specifically cited the Sean McDermott fiasco as an example

*** He didn't throw DeSean under the bus, but clearly delineated the way DJax handled himself early in the season and late

*** He indicated that while nothing is set in stone with Jackson, he didn't blow smoke up our butts and hint we would definitely bring him back either

*** He refused to take any of the bait as reporters asked him to make excuses, pointing out (correctly) that excuses don't make the ownership, fans or himself feel better about last year

I honestly don't know what people wanted to hear from him? The guy wants to win, he's trying to win, he knows it's about the Super Bowl for everyone involved, and he's completely conscious of the fact that last year's 8-8 was an unacceptable outcome.

Give me a guy like that over a bloviating Rex Ryan every day of the week.

I've heard many people say Andy was more open. Only slightly, but more open. What I heard was him telling me to listen about 300 times in a 20 minute presser. Same old Andy. I could go listen to it again, but I will spare myself the frustration. His comments on Desean and Spags were just flat out BS. Desean was great after he was benched? Come on. I can see. He didnt care or try down the stretch. Don't try to tell me again he was "all in". The whole d coordinator situation was a joke. He's got Juan at the senior bowl not knowing if he has a job and he didn't discuss positions with Spags. Gimme a break Thats the way to improve you staff and get the guy you want. Spags interviewed with us first, if you want him, you don't let him leave without a deal. Great recruiting. If you bought that presser than that's a shame, cuz you fell for it hook line and sinker. Yet again.

Anytime I'm aligned with my NFL team's owner versus "angry fanboy", is a good day by me.

Hey if you're happy with being a lapdog, than by all means. I'm gonna formulate my own opinions. If you wanted to say you didn't have a problem with that presser that's fine. But to say you thought Andy did a great job and he was candid, logical and reasonable, gimme a break

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I watched the entire presser last night and thought Andy did a great job.

Everything he said was candid, logical and perfectly reasonable. Good on him, and good on Lurie for not being a "typical fan."

I'm gonna assume you're just trying to stir the pot. Drum up some conversation in here.

There is a distinct differance between blind "Rah-Rah" support and "they're going this way, I hope it works, go EAGLES" type of support. A negative attitude at this point is not going to help change a dang thing. A positive attitude by the fans would be better for both the team AND THE FAN.

Exactly.Here's what I took from the presser:

*** Andy was more open -- was he an open book? No, but he clearly was trying to be more personable. It's a work in progress

*** He (as always) takes full responsibility

*** He freely acknowledges that he gets the fans dismay, and that they are yearning for a Super Bowl

*** He understands that EVERY year is a make or break year, and thought Lurie was totally right to say what he said

*** He felt the defense would take time to gel last year, but thought (incorrectly) that the offense would carry us early

*** He won't point fingers, but admitted that the top priority is getting the turnover situation back in the right direction

*** He admitted to offering Spags a place on this team, and also admitted that he turned to Bowles AFTER the Spags things didn't go their way

*** He took time this year because he didn't want to make the same gaffes he's made in the past, and specifically cited the Sean McDermott fiasco as an example

*** He didn't throw DeSean under the bus, but clearly delineated the way DJax handled himself early in the season and late

*** He indicated that while nothing is set in stone with Jackson, he didn't blow smoke up our butts and hint we would definitely bring him back either

*** He refused to take any of the bait as reporters asked him to make excuses, pointing out (correctly) that excuses don't make the ownership, fans or himself feel better about last year

I honestly don't know what people wanted to hear from him? The guy wants to win, he's trying to win, he knows it's about the Super Bowl for everyone involved, and he's completely conscious of the fact that last year's 8-8 was an unacceptable outcome.

Give me a guy like that over a bloviating Rex Ryan every day of the week.

I've heard many people say Andy was more open. Only slightly, but more open. What I heard was him telling me to listen about 300 times in a 20 minute presser. Same old Andy. I could go listen to it again, but I will spare myself the frustration. His comments on Desean and Spags were just flat out BS. Desean was great after he was benched? Come on. I can see. He didnt care or try down the stretch. Don't try to tell me again he was "all in". The whole d coordinator situation was a joke. He's got Juan at the senior bowl not knowing if he has a job and he didn't discuss positions with Spags. Gimme a break Thats the way to improve you staff and get the guy you want. Spags interviewed with us first, if you want him, you don't let him leave without a deal. Great recruiting. If you bought that presser than that's a shame, cuz you fell for it hook line and sinker. Yet again.

Anytime I'm aligned with my NFL team's owner versus "angry fanboy", is a good day by me.

Hey if you're happy with being a lapdog, than by all means. I'm gonna formulate my own opinions. If you wanted to say you didn't have a problem with that presser that's fine. But to say you thought Andy did a great job and he was candid, logical and reasonable, gimme a break

What did you want AR to say? How many successful coaches in the nfl throw their players or coaches under the bus? I sure do get tired of the WIP mentality that many Eagle fans seem to have.

 

[CentralPA]

I watched the entire presser last night and thought Andy did a great job.

Everything he said was candid, logical and perfectly reasonable. Good on him, and good on Lurie for not being a "typical fan."

I'm gonna assume you're just trying to stir the pot. Drum up some conversation in here.

There is a distinct differance between blind "Rah-Rah" support and "they're going this way, I hope it works, go EAGLES" type of support. A negative attitude at this point is not going to help change a dang thing. A positive attitude by the fans would be better for both the team AND THE FAN.

Exactly.Here's what I took from the presser:

*** Andy was more open -- was he an open book? No, but he clearly was trying to be more personable. It's a work in progress

*** He (as always) takes full responsibility

*** He freely acknowledges that he gets the fans dismay, and that they are yearning for a Super Bowl

*** He understands that EVERY year is a make or break year, and thought Lurie was totally right to say what he said

*** He felt the defense would take time to gel last year, but thought (incorrectly) that the offense would carry us early

*** He won't point fingers, but admitted that the top priority is getting the turnover situation back in the right direction

*** He admitted to offering Spags a place on this team, and also admitted that he turned to Bowles AFTER the Spags things didn't go their way

*** He took time this year because he didn't want to make the same gaffes he's made in the past, and specifically cited the Sean McDermott fiasco as an example

*** He didn't throw DeSean under the bus, but clearly delineated the way DJax handled himself early in the season and late

*** He indicated that while nothing is set in stone with Jackson, he didn't blow smoke up our butts and hint we would definitely bring him back either

*** He refused to take any of the bait as reporters asked him to make excuses, pointing out (correctly) that excuses don't make the ownership, fans or himself feel better about last year

I honestly don't know what people wanted to hear from him? The guy wants to win, he's trying to win, he knows it's about the Super Bowl for everyone involved, and he's completely conscious of the fact that last year's 8-8 was an unacceptable outcome.

Give me a guy like that over a bloviating Rex Ryan every day of the week.

I've heard many people say Andy was more open. Only slightly, but more open. What I heard was him telling me to listen about 300 times in a 20 minute presser. Same old Andy. I could go listen to it again, but I will spare myself the frustration. His comments on Desean and Spags were just flat out BS. Desean was great after he was benched? Come on. I can see. He didnt care or try down the stretch. Don't try to tell me again he was "all in". The whole d coordinator situation was a joke. He's got Juan at the senior bowl not knowing if he has a job and he didn't discuss positions with Spags. Gimme a break Thats the way to improve you staff and get the guy you want. Spags interviewed with us first, if you want him, you don't let him leave without a deal. Great recruiting. If you bought that presser than that's a shame, cuz you fell for it hook line and sinker. Yet again.

Anytime I'm aligned with my NFL team's owner versus "angry fanboy", is a good day by me.

Hey if you're happy with being a lapdog, than by all means. I'm gonna formulate my own opinions. If you wanted to say you didn't have a problem with that presser that's fine. But to say you thought Andy did a great job and he was candid, logical and reasonable, gimme a break

What did you want AR to say? How many successful coaches in the nfl throw their players or coaches under the bus? I sure do get tired of the WIP mentality that many Eagle fans seem to have.

I hate that damn radio station.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

What did you want AR to say? How many successful coaches in the nfl throw their players or coaches under the bus? I sure do get tired of the WIP mentality that many Eagle fans seem to have.

See this is the #### that pisses me off. Everything is just going from one extreme to the other. Reid says nothing....we want more...and the Reid enthusiasts immediately think we want all out, full blown details and slamming of people. Here's an idea, how about meeting halfway? I know it's an odd thought but that's pretty much what we're looking for....we're not looking for middle ground of the slim (this weeks presser) and none (the past 14 years pressers) that we're accustomed to.I wouldn’t consider it a WIP attitude. Not to be a ####, but some of us are probably a little tired of eating the same old #### over and over and over. I honestly can't wrap my head around any fan with a positive outlook at this time about this team and coaches. You have seen NOTHING for the past 7 years to even justify your optimism and it's only based on excuses, "what if's" and hope that we could have been the Giants this year...the feeling of the "WIP attitudes" is more justified then any blind optimist posting here...

 

[Insein]

What did you want AR to say? How many successful coaches in the nfl throw their players or coaches under the bus? I sure do get tired of the WIP mentality that many Eagle fans seem to have.

See this is the #### that pisses me off. Everything is just going from one extreme to the other. Reid says nothing....we want more...and the Reid enthusiasts immediately think we want all out, full blown details and slamming of people. Here's an idea, how about meeting halfway? I know it's an odd thought but that's pretty much what we're looking for....we're not looking for middle ground of the slim (this weeks presser) and none (the past 14 years pressers) that we're accustomed to.I wouldn’t consider it a WIP attitude. Not to be a ####, but some of us are probably a little tired of eating the same old #### over and over and over. I honestly can't wrap my head around any fan with a positive outlook at this time about this team and coaches. You have seen NOTHING for the past 7 years to even justify your optimism and it's only based on excuses, "what if's" and hope that we could have been the Giants this year...the feeling of the "WIP attitudes" is more justified then any blind optimist posting here...

This is exactly the way I feel. The blind faith crowd is more baffling than the fire everybody crowd. At least you get where the fire everybody crowd is coming from. They're fed up with mediocrity and are lashing out in anger because of being hurt for so long. The blind faith crowd really has nothing to pin their hopes to. It is literally blind faith that Andy will suddenly do something he hasn't done during his whole time as a head coach. 95% of fans are way closer to the middle than that fringe 5% but those 2 extremes seem to lump those against them as the opposite faction.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

What did you want AR to say? How many successful coaches in the nfl throw their players or coaches under the bus?

I sure do get tired of the WIP mentality that many Eagle fans seem to have.

See this is the #### that pisses me off. Everything is just going from one extreme to the other. Reid says nothing....we want more...and the Reid enthusiasts immediately think we want all out, full blown details and slamming of people. Here's an idea, how about meeting halfway? I know it's an odd thought but that's pretty much what we're looking for....we're not looking for middle ground of the slim (this weeks presser) and none (the past 14 years pressers) that we're accustomed to.I wouldn't consider it a WIP attitude. Not to be a ####, but some of us are probably a little tired of eating the same old #### over and over and over. I honestly can't wrap my head around any fan with a positive outlook at this time about this team and coaches. You have seen NOTHING for the past 7 years to even justify your optimism and it's only based on excuses, "what if's" and hope that we could have been the Giants this year...the feeling of the "WIP attitudes" is more justified then any blind optimist posting here...

So what would you like him to say? There is nothing he can say that would be any benefit to the team and still make the "fans" happy. How is it that people really do not understand this? He is a manager of people on a daily basis. His first responsibility is to his coaching staff, then his players, then the team owner and finally to the fans and that is rather limited. The fact that so few fans have any idea of how to manage people in a professional setting is staggering.As for nothing in the past 7 years to justify optimism is why I believe fans like you are frauds.

[*]Top 10 offense 5/7 years

[*]Top 10 defense 3/7 years

[*]Playoff team 4/7 years

[*]A 62/49 Record

[*]A completely revamped roster with the 5th youngest team in the NFL

[*]An all-pro RB that had the most ever rushing tds and had over 1,300 yards in an AR offense

[*]A Defense that gave up 11.5 pts per game over the last 4 games of the 2011 season

 

[Bigboy10182000]

So what would you like him to say? There is nothing he can say that would be any benefit to the team and still make the "fans" happy. How is it that people really do not understand this? He is a manager of people on a daily basis. His first responsibility is to his coaching staff, then his players, then the team owner and finally to the fans and that is rather limited. The fact that so few fans have any idea of how to manage people in a professional setting is staggering.

As for nothing in the past 7 years to justify optimism is why I believe fans like you are frauds.

[*]Top 10 offense 5/7 years

[*]Top 10 defense 3/7 years

[*]Playoff team 4/7 years

[*]A 62/49 Record

[*]A completely revamped roster with the 5th youngest team in the NFL

[*]An all-pro RB that had the most ever rushing tds and had over 1,300 yards in an AR offense

[*]A Defense that gave up 11.5 pts per game over the last 4 games of the 2011 season

As for the first part please compare what he says to every other coach in the NFL not named Belichick and you should easily understand. Also, managing people and speaking to the public are not related...for examples, read my first sentance again then compare how many SB's we have. It's easy to see that what he's been doing (IN HIS PRESSERS) has zero relavence.As for the second, it reads well...until you actually look at it...

Top 10 offense 5/7 years...And what have we done?

Top 10 defense 3/7 (42%...and this is being looked at as good? OK.) years...And what have we done?

Playoff team 4/7 years...And what's the W/L in those games?

62/49 record...is an average of what? 9 per year? Awesome.

So with your first 4 points we have established nothing....well, in a way you made us into the Cowboys during that span...who are good I guess?

Lets move on...

A completely revamped roster with the 5th youngest team in the NFL....What exactly do we get for this? I guess it's a reason to be optomistic...

A Defense that gave up 11.5 pts per game over the last 4 games of the 2011 season...Hey, why top there? We had an awesome offensive stretch in 2010...you should have added that too...

The above 2 are honestly crap and shallow.

You have one here though:

An all-pro RB that had the most ever rushing tds and had over 1,300 yards in an AR offense

So to recap....we're a young version of the last 7 years of the Dallas Cowboys who had a nice 4 game defensive stretch with an awesome RB....I'm convinced...and more depressed now, thanks.

Think about it...even you believed half of what you said...wouldnt you be disappointed that NOTHING has come from it?! Now take that disappontment and times it by 14....now you're with me.

Optimism is one thing but I'm a fraud because I'm not pumped about an average of 9 wins per year and almost zero playoff sucess? You have to be kidding me. The fraud is the one that can't see it, he's only lying to himself. Or we just have VERY different views of being optomistic.

 

[Jason Wood]

What did you want AR to say? How many successful coaches in the nfl throw their players or coaches under the bus? I sure do get tired of the WIP mentality that many Eagle fans seem to have.

See this is the #### that pisses me off. Everything is just going from one extreme to the other. Reid says nothing....we want more...and the Reid enthusiasts immediately think we want all out, full blown details and slamming of people. Here's an idea, how about meeting halfway? I know it's an odd thought but that's pretty much what we're looking for....we're not looking for middle ground of the slim (this weeks presser) and none (the past 14 years pressers) that we're accustomed to.I wouldn’t consider it a WIP attitude. Not to be a ####, but some of us are probably a little tired of eating the same old #### over and over and over. I honestly can't wrap my head around any fan with a positive outlook at this time about this team and coaches. You have seen NOTHING for the past 7 years to even justify your optimism and it's only based on excuses, "what if's" and hope that we could have been the Giants this year...the feeling of the "WIP attitudes" is more justified then any blind optimist posting here...

Saying we've got nothing in 7 years is EXACTLY the WIP mentality.Nothing?We've made the playoffs four times, won our division three times, and gone to an NFC Championship game in that span. That's nothing?

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

So what would you like him to say? There is nothing he can say that would be any benefit to the team and still make the "fans" happy. How is it that people really do not understand this? He is a manager of people on a daily basis. His first responsibility is to his coaching staff, then his players, then the team owner and finally to the fans and that is rather limited. The fact that so few fans have any idea of how to manage people in a professional setting is staggering.

As for nothing in the past 7 years to justify optimism is why I believe fans like you are frauds.

[*]Top 10 offense 5/7 years

[*]Top 10 defense 3/7 years

[*]Playoff team 4/7 years

[*]A 62/49 Record

[*]A completely revamped roster with the 5th youngest team in the NFL

[*]An all-pro RB that had the most ever rushing tds and had over 1,300 yards in an AR offense

[*]A Defense that gave up 11.5 pts per game over the last 4 games of the 2011 season

As for the first part please compare what he says to every other coach in the NFL not named Belichick and you should easily understand. Also, managing people and speaking to the public are not related...for examples, read my first sentance again then compare how many SB's we have. It's easy to see that what he's been doing (IN HIS PRESSERS) has zero relavence.As for the second, it reads well...until you actually look at it...

Top 10 offense 5/7 years...And what have we done?

Top 10 defense 3/7 (42%...and this is being looked at as good? OK.) years...And what have we done?

Playoff team 4/7 years...And what's the W/L in those games?

62/49 record...is an average of what? 9 per year? Awesome.

So with your first 4 points we have established nothing....well, in a way you made us into the Cowboys during that span...who are good I guess?

Lets move on...

A completely revamped roster with the 5th youngest team in the NFL....What exactly do we get for this? I guess it's a reason to be optomistic...

A Defense that gave up 11.5 pts per game over the last 4 games of the 2011 season...Hey, why top there? We had an awesome offensive stretch in 2010...you should have added that too...

The above 2 are honestly crap and shallow.

You have one here though:

An all-pro RB that had the most ever rushing tds and had over 1,300 yards in an AR offense

So to recap....we're a young version of the last 7 years of the Dallas Cowboys who had a nice 4 game defensive stretch with an awesome RB....I'm convinced...and more depressed now, thanks.

Think about it...even you believed half of what you said...wouldnt you be disappointed that NOTHING has come from it?! Now take that disappontment and times it by 14....now you're with me.

Optimism is one thing but I'm a fraud because I'm not pumped about an average of 9 wins per year and almost zero playoff sucess? You have to be kidding me. The fraud is the one that can't see it, he's only lying to himself. Or we just have VERY different views of being optomistic.

I believe you being a fraud is obvious (IMO). However you have yet to answer the question. What do you want him to say to the fans that would benefit the team in any way??

 

[Jason Wood]

I believe you being a fraud is obvious (IMO). However you have yet to answer the question. What do you want him to say to the fans that would benefit the team in any way??

Exactly. How was that presser supposed to go? *** "I can't believe Lurie hasn't fired me yet, WHAT A JOKE!"*** "Of course I don't give you guys much each week, you're idiots."*** "Where have I been this last month? Hiding out in the islands, balllllllllllin!"*** "I begged Spags to come back, but he told me I'm a lame duck...so I'm pretending to be happy with Juan"*** "I can't believe we paid Vick all that money, blame Roseman for that one"*** "Yes, we intentionally try to sign linebackers that will miss assignments just to see the fans get irate"*** "I have absolutely on interest in winning the Super Bowl, I'm must collecting a paycheck"*** "I'm a total fraud, those fistful of division titles and Championship game appearances were all luck...a chimp could do my job"

 

[Amused to Death]

I believe you being a fraud is obvious (IMO). However you have yet to answer the question. What do you want him to say to the fans that would benefit the team in any way??

Exactly. How was that presser supposed to go? *** "I can't believe Lurie hasn't fired me yet, WHAT A JOKE!"*** "Of course I don't give you guys much each week, you're idiots."*** "Where have I been this last month? Hiding out in the islands, balllllllllllin!"*** "I begged Spags to come back, but he told me I'm a lame duck...so I'm pretending to be happy with Juan"*** "I can't believe we paid Vick all that money, blame Roseman for that one"*** "Yes, we intentionally try to sign linebackers that will miss assignments just to see the fans get irate"*** "I have absolutely on interest in winning the Super Bowl, I'm must collecting a paycheck"*** "I'm a total fraud, those fistful of division titles and Championship game appearances were all luck...a chimp could do my job"

I have no problems with his press conference. But to cite the Eagles numbers and rankings for the last 7 years and conclude they've been successful is a stretch. Division wins are nice if you're the Lions or Dolphins. Year 13 of a coach's tenure should have a higher level of expectations. Thirteen years in, we need post-season success not regular season success. Win in the post-season or step aside. And honestly, his regular season record since '04 is not impressive. Averaging less than 9 wins per season. A sharp decline from his first 6 years - those are the years he made his reputation.ETA: Please don't lump me in with the WIP crowd. I haven't listened to that station in years. I think for myself.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Saying we've got nothing in 7 years is EXACTLY the WIP mentality.Nothing?We've made the playoffs four times, won our division three times, and gone to an NFC Championship game in that span. That's nothing?

Your easily pleased and its obvious your definition of success is much different then mine. Youre all the same and you all harp on the same nonsense over and over and over. Winning our division 3x and making the playoffs 4x while not even making a damn SB APPEARANCE is not successful to me….how can it be to anyone?? Maybe if this was Andy's first 5-7 years and he had that I would feel like were close but he's REGRESSING.

I believe you being a fraud is obvious (IMO). However you have yet to answer the question. What do you want him to say to the fans that would benefit the team in any way??

Yes, its obvious and youve done so well in proving your point…You want an actual monologue? Seriously?Are you hurting your arm reaching for these? In all seriousness…are you one of those fans that thinks their team is perfect and if anyone says otherwise theyre frauds?

Exactly. How was that presser supposed to go? *** "I can't believe Lurie hasn't fired me yet, WHAT A JOKE!"*** "Of course I don't give you guys much each week, you're idiots."*** "Where have I been this last month? Hiding out in the islands, balllllllllllin!"*** "I begged Spags to come back, but he told me I'm a lame duck...so I'm pretending to be happy with Juan"*** "I can't believe we paid Vick all that money, blame Roseman for that one"*** "Yes, we intentionally try to sign linebackers that will miss assignments just to see the fans get irate"*** "I have absolutely on interest in winning the Super Bowl, I'm must collecting a paycheck"*** "I'm a total fraud, those fistful of division titles and Championship game appearances were all luck...a chimp could do my job"

This is what I mean. Now go read my post #339 and this is exactly what Im talking about. After youre done, re-try the trolling.The only difference I can see between the 3 of us is that youre easily pleased and youre relying on hope that the last 14 years are in no way indicative of things to come. I cant get on board with that in any way. Make all the excuses you want, have a mini pep rally here and preach about how being positive and how it will pay off and maybe everything will just magically change. I hope youre right.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I have no problems with his press conference. But to cite the Eagles numbers and rankings for the last 7 years and conclude they've been successful is a stretch. Division wins are nice if you're the Lions or Dolphins. Year 13 of a coach's tenure should have a higher level of expectations. Thirteen years in, we need post-season success not regular season success. Win in the post-season or step aside. And honestly, his regular season record since '04 is not impressive. Averaging less than 9 wins per season. A sharp decline from his first 6 years - those are the years he made his reputation.

ETA: Please don't lump me in with the WIP crowd. I haven't listened to that station in years. I think for myself.

Hey, play fair...you can't use any of those fact thingies or you're a fraud.

 

[JAA]

I got a whole lotta nothing as usual from the presser. Yea he was more friendly. Probably from taking a month off away from the fans and the media. In the end, he said he needs to do a better job at putting guys in a better position. He just used a thesaurus.

Actions speak louder than words. The FA period and Draft will tell us a lot about what Andy thinks this year is going to be.

I'm going to try to change my outlook. I'm an Eagles fan first and foremost. I have to root for the team so if Lurie is sticking with Reid for another year, I'm all for it. I want the team to succeed. We have no major coaching changes. Most of the players are in place and with another off-season to strengthen the weaknesses I have to try to be optimistic. There will be no major shake up this off-season, so I'll get behind them for another run at it. Andy's a great coach and I don't think anyone would be surprised to see them return to elite status in '12.And if they don't, I'm confident there will a major change in leadership in '13 and a new regime to get behind.

E-A-G-L-E-S- EAGLES!!!! (c'mon, its worth a shot...who else you gonna root for?!)

This is the right attitude.Like it or not, there's a ready made excuse for Castillo's (the defense') poor performance. Like it or not, that defense played MUCH better late in the year.

IMO, Reid's future is handcuffed to Castillo and the defense. Personally, I'm rooting for them to succeed. If they don't, THEN I'll join the irrational hotheads calling for Reid's head. I'm not happy with last year, but there is plenty of reason to hope.

GO EAGLES!

I reserve optimism for our offseason moves. I was very excited going into last year. Didn't work out so well.

How many years should we say this before we rock the boat?

 

[vinwinephans]

I believe you being a fraud is obvious (IMO). However you have yet to answer the question. What do you want him to say to the fans that would benefit the team in any way??

Exactly. How was that presser supposed to go? *** "I can't believe Lurie hasn't fired me yet, WHAT A JOKE!"*** "Of course I don't give you guys much each week, you're idiots."*** "Where have I been this last month? Hiding out in the islands, balllllllllllin!"*** "I begged Spags to come back, but he told me I'm a lame duck...so I'm pretending to be happy with Juan"*** "I can't believe we paid Vick all that money, blame Roseman for that one"*** "Yes, we intentionally try to sign linebackers that will miss assignments just to see the fans get irate"*** "I have absolutely on interest in winning the Super Bowl, I'm must collecting a paycheck"*** "I'm a total fraud, those fistful of division titles and Championship game appearances were all luck...a chimp could do my job"

I have no problems with his press conference. But to cite the Eagles numbers and rankings for the last 7 years and conclude they've been successful is a stretch. Division wins are nice if you're the Lions or Dolphins. Year 13 of a coach's tenure should have a higher level of expectations. Thirteen years in, we need post-season success not regular season success. Win in the post-season or step aside. And honestly, his regular season record since '04 is not impressive. Averaging less than 9 wins per season. A sharp decline from his first 6 years - those are the years he made his reputation.ETA: Please don't lump me in with the WIP crowd. I haven't listened to that station in years. I think for myself.

Say Andy resigned/stepped down 7 years ago.All other things being the same, would it be fair to say you would be happier with the last 7 years if someone other than Andy was the coach? So since the coach has been the same for 13 years, the last 7 years are somehow less of an accomplishment? If Andy had won the superbowl 8 years ago, would the last 7 years, as they have played out, somehow be better?Would year 13 of the coach's tenure have any less of an expectation on it because he won a superbowl in year 6?I'd say the level of expectation on Andy Reid has been the same since the first NFC Championship Game... the only level that is changing is the level of frustration and bitterness.