*** 2012 Official Philadelphia Eagles Post Mortem Thread *** (2 Viewers)

[Insein]

I believe you being a fraud is obvious (IMO).

However you have yet to answer the question. What do you want him to say to the fans that would benefit the team in any way??

Exactly. How was that presser supposed to go?

*** "I can't believe Lurie hasn't fired me yet, WHAT A JOKE!"

*** "Of course I don't give you guys much each week, you're idiots."

*** "Where have I been this last month? Hiding out in the islands, balllllllllllin!"

*** "I begged Spags to come back, but he told me I'm a lame duck...so I'm pretending to be happy with Juan"

*** "I can't believe we paid Vick all that money, blame Roseman for that one"

*** "Yes, we intentionally try to sign linebackers that will miss assignments just to see the fans get irate"

*** "I have absolutely on interest in winning the Super Bowl, I'm must collecting a paycheck"

*** "I'm a total fraud, those fistful of division titles and Championship game appearances were all luck...a chimp could do my job"

I have no problems with his press conference. But to cite the Eagles numbers and rankings for the last 7 years and conclude they've been successful is a stretch. Division wins are nice if you're the Lions or Dolphins. Year 13 of a coach's tenure should have a higher level of expectations. Thirteen years in, we need post-season success not regular season success. Win in the post-season or step aside. And honestly, his regular season record since '04 is not impressive. Averaging less than 9 wins per season. A sharp decline from his first 6 years - those are the years he made his reputation.ETA: Please don't lump me in with the WIP crowd. I haven't listened to that station in years. I think for myself.

Say Andy resigned/stepped down 7 years ago.All other things being the same, would it be fair to say you would be happier with the last 7 years if someone other than Andy was the coach? So since the coach has been the same for 13 years, the last 7 years are somehow less of an accomplishment?

If Andy had won the superbowl 8 years ago, would the last 7 years, as they have played out, somehow be better?

Would year 13 of the coach's tenure have any less of an expectation on it because he won a superbowl in year 6?

I'd say the level of expectation on Andy Reid has been the same since the first NFC Championship Game... the only level that is changing is the level of frustration and bitterness.

I've asked the same question when I hear Andy's 'untouchable'. If it were another coach over the last 7 years, would that resume say he's an elite coach? So to answer your question, I'd be just as unhappy. how many other coaches actually get 7 years to win, let alone 14? Not many. Five of the last 7 years have resulted in zero playoff wins. The one year they were successful ('08) it took a double-back-door miracle to even make the post-season.And this reasoning about who else could the Eagles hire that would be more successful, well I understand championship coaches are hard to find. That doesn't mean you stop looking. Most of the Super Bowl's during Andy's tenure have been won by coaches hired after him. So yes, Super Bowl winning coaches can be found.

And I'm sorry, but hiring your unqualified O-line coach to be your DC for a championship caliber team is just weird. And it cost them big time in 2011.

I still have a problem with the idea that this last idea is a fact. A new coordinator with 5 or 6 new starters and virtually no off-season is enough to make any Defense struggle.Too many in here are tending to lump folks into one extreme (blind rah-rah) or the other (won't be happy with anything but Andy's firing right now). By right now...I mean TODAY.

I know Jason isn't a blind rah rah guy, nor am I. But we've accepted the fact that Andy WILL BE BACK, and we're moving past that to see the positives and not dwell on the negatives that aren't changing. I think hiring Juan was a screw-up, but IT IS NOT PROVEN that he's a failure, at least not at this point...so why harp on it? There really are good reasons to hope for this team, and if you have no hope...then why bother even watching? If you have no hope...go away instead of dragging down those with it.

Im a fire Andy guy, but today, next season, Im a give Castillo one more year. Next season is make or break for just about the entire coaching staff and offense. Will be quite a house cleaning.

this is where I've been since the end of the season when it became apparent that they weren't going to change anything. I've been a huge Andy supporter up until this season. Now I want him gone but I will still give them one more year to figure it out. I'll root for the team and hope they make actual changes but I'm not expecting much. Their track record shows that when times get tough, Andy doubles down on his style.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

For now. It seems like everything is good for him in Philly and he prefers to stay there unless he either: A)loses his job (not looking like it) or B) Indy throws a big raise at him after the draft period is over (won't happen). He's committed to staying at least that long. Add the fact that he and his wife love the house they recently bought and it's looking like he isn't going anywhere.

Back to D-Jax though. The funny thing is that they were all set to sign him to a nice contract until he flaked out and starting demanding Larry Fitz money. After hearing things from their training staff they're happy he didn't accept the contract on the table. He also thinks that, if teams courting him do their due dilligence, he'll find it hard to get any kind of contract more than three years and even that'll be pushing it.

Awesome!Any other interesting info on other players? Any draft news yet?

Nah, it's still early re: the draft info. I know that a LB probably isn't going to be a 1st round pick though. They recognize the need but, at least in the 1st, they don't think the talent is there. I'd bet one of their 2nds will address the need at LB.

 

[JAA]

Does Jackson really need replacing? With the o-line starting to look like a strength, or at the least no longer a liability, I'd love to see them use both tight ends more. Pats have shown it can work, and it is a copy cat league. We know what we have in Celek, and Harbor has looked good so far as a receiver. Would it be crazy to roll with Maclin, Cooper, Avant and a draft pick, but lean more on the TEs and Shady as receivers? I'd rather they use the money to resign McCoy and shore up the LBs.

Agreed, but I do think we'd have to find another decent wideout...although not necessarily a 1st round type.

Avant is a WR3, and Cooper is not starting talent. Harbor? Not a starter. Please dont compare Celek and Harbor to Gronk/Hernandez. This is coming from the biggest Celek lover east of Cincinnati.We should have already paid DJax, this is silly and in the same mold of how we treated Westbrook and a stupid money grab by the FO. I could easily see DJax now signing with Was or Dal, maybe even Seattle. I dont see how we keep him.Im curious about Steve Smith. I loved the signing, but he didnt produce much this season. My guess is part injury part learning the system. I would like to see him back as I believe he signed a 2 year deal.I dont see VJ, I think he is too much of a TO head case.Right now, I think our best option is to overpay DJax. I have read he would sign the franchise tag, but I doubt we do that. I think we are most dangerous with DJax, Maclin, and SSmith. That would be a great starting set of WRs.We have serious secondary issues. I have to believe Assante is gone, he is too much salary and stats have shown DRC and Nmandi were better in the scheme. We need a 3rd corner and proper starting SS and FS. Not to mention LBs. Thats a whole lot of holes to fill this offseason. This doesnt count OL depth which I think we will need 1RT and 1OG/C and DL depth which I think we need 1 DE.Gonna be a tough offseason

 

[CentralPA]

I've had to watch the Giants win four super bowls while birds win none. Ptts. What does that organization have/do that we don't?

A good coach, an elite QB, a good defense, and some luck. Pretty much the same formula for every Super Bowl champ.

I don't think you need an elite QB if you have the others. Just a good one. Preferably top 10 but top half would suffice.

It think some luck is what is needed the most. Example: NY Giants 2011/2012Me thinks I am extremely bitter.

 

[Amused to Death]

I've had to watch the Giants win four super bowls while birds win none. Ptts. What does that organization have/do that we don't?

A good coach, an elite QB, a good defense, and some luck. Pretty much the same formula for every Super Bowl champ.

I don't think you need an elite QB if you have the others. Just a good one. Preferably top 10 but top half would suffice.

It think some luck is what is needed the most. Example: NY Giants 2011/2012Me thinks I am extremely bitter.

Luck certainly plays a part, but good teams create their own luck. I think a good defense is key. Haven't the Eagles set records for points scored last year and this year? And how many post-season wins do they have to show for it?Jim Johnson, we miss you more than we realize.

 

[CentralPA]

For now. It seems like everything is good for him in Philly and he prefers to stay there unless he either: A)loses his job (not looking like it) or B) Indy throws a big raise at him after the draft period is over (won't happen). He's committed to staying at least that long. Add the fact that he and his wife love the house they recently bought and it's looking like he isn't going anywhere.

Back to D-Jax though. The funny thing is that they were all set to sign him to a nice contract until he flaked out and starting demanding Larry Fitz money. After hearing things from their training staff they're happy he didn't accept the contract on the table. He also thinks that, if teams courting him do their due dilligence, he'll find it hard to get any kind of contract more than three years and even that'll be pushing it.

Awesome!Any other interesting info on other players? Any draft news yet?

Nah, it's still early re: the draft info. I know that a LB probably isn't going to be a 1st round pick though. They recognize the need but, at least in the 1st, they don't think the talent is there. I'd bet one of their 2nds will address the need at LB.

i.e. If Kuechly falls to them at 15 they'll draft a DT. I can see it happening now.

 

[CentralPA]

I've had to watch the Giants win four super bowls while birds win none. Ptts. What does that organization have/do that we don't?

A good coach, an elite QB, a good defense, and some luck. Pretty much the same formula for every Super Bowl champ.

I don't think you need an elite QB if you have the others. Just a good one. Preferably top 10 but top half would suffice.

It think some luck is what is needed the most. Example: NY Giants 2011/2012Me thinks I am extremely bitter.

Luck certainly plays a part, but good teams create their own luck. I think a good defense is key. Haven't the Eagles set records for points scored last year and this year? And how many post-season wins do they have to show for it?Jim Johnson, we miss you more than we realize.

Like I said, extremely bitter. Giants have the best front 4 DL in the NFL, after that minus maybe Antrell Rolle there isn't much there. If you can pressure the QB thoguh you don't need much else.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

For now. It seems like everything is good for him in Philly and he prefers to stay there unless he either: A)loses his job (not looking like it) or B) Indy throws a big raise at him after the draft period is over (won't happen). He's committed to staying at least that long. Add the fact that he and his wife love the house they recently bought and it's looking like he isn't going anywhere.

Back to D-Jax though. The funny thing is that they were all set to sign him to a nice contract until he flaked out and starting demanding Larry Fitz money. After hearing things from their training staff they're happy he didn't accept the contract on the table. He also thinks that, if teams courting him do their due dilligence, he'll find it hard to get any kind of contract more than three years and even that'll be pushing it.

Awesome!Any other interesting info on other players? Any draft news yet?

Nah, it's still early re: the draft info. I know that a LB probably isn't going to be a 1st round pick though. They recognize the need but, at least in the 1st, they don't think the talent is there. I'd bet one of their 2nds will address the need at LB.

i.e. If Kuechly falls to them at 15 they'll draft a DT. I can see it happening now.

We should have enough picks and a big enough need to go get the one we want, if there's anyone like that out there.

 

[JAA]

I really don't think DJax is irreplaceable, mainly because we haven't seen DJax be the guy we thought he was for awhile. If I thought a big payday would have him recapture his dynamism and willingness to take a hit, I would push to pay the man. But at this point I don't see why a big payday will get him to play hard again.

From what I'm told, unless he takes a DEEP home town discount, he's done. They have lots of worries about stuff other than his attitude. I can't say more than that. I put it at less than a 5% chance he's back.

If its a personality issue, I can appreciate it. DJax has been a head case since high school.

 

[CentralPA]

For now. It seems like everything is good for him in Philly and he prefers to stay there unless he either: A)loses his job (not looking like it) or B) Indy throws a big raise at him after the draft period is over (won't happen). He's committed to staying at least that long. Add the fact that he and his wife love the house they recently bought and it's looking like he isn't going anywhere.

Back to D-Jax though. The funny thing is that they were all set to sign him to a nice contract until he flaked out and starting demanding Larry Fitz money. After hearing things from their training staff they're happy he didn't accept the contract on the table. He also thinks that, if teams courting him do their due dilligence, he'll find it hard to get any kind of contract more than three years and even that'll be pushing it.

Awesome!Any other interesting info on other players? Any draft news yet?

Nah, it's still early re: the draft info. I know that a LB probably isn't going to be a 1st round pick though. They recognize the need but, at least in the 1st, they don't think the talent is there. I'd bet one of their 2nds will address the need at LB.

i.e. If Kuechly falls to them at 15 they'll draft a DT. I can see it happening now.

We should have enough picks and a big enough need to go get the one we want, if there's anyone like that out there.

I just feel that it's a no brainer if he falls to them at 15 to draft him. They need multiple LB selection in this draft. The only servicable LB they have on the team is Rolle and maybe Chaney. After the combine though I have a feeling Kecuhly's stock will rise. I could easily see the Cards drafting him because our old pal Stewart Bradley is hampered by injury and just isn't the same player he was.

 

[JAA]

For now. It seems like everything is good for him in Philly and he prefers to stay there unless he either: A)loses his job (not looking like it) or B) Indy throws a big raise at him after the draft period is over (won't happen). He's committed to staying at least that long. Add the fact that he and his wife love the house they recently bought and it's looking like he isn't going anywhere.

Back to D-Jax though. The funny thing is that they were all set to sign him to a nice contract until he flaked out and starting demanding Larry Fitz money. After hearing things from their training staff they're happy he didn't accept the contract on the table. He also thinks that, if teams courting him do their due dilligence, he'll find it hard to get any kind of contract more than three years and even that'll be pushing it.

Awesome!Any other interesting info on other players? Any draft news yet?

While I don't think its "awesome," he can be replaced. Not easily but they can draft a burner at WR. My jersey curse continues. Every Philly or Eagle I've bought the jersey for is gone within 2 years. Need to start buying players I don't like.

I have McNabb, Owens, Schmitt, and now Aso

 

[JAA]

For now. It seems like everything is good for him in Philly and he prefers to stay there unless he either: A)loses his job (not looking like it) or B) Indy throws a big raise at him after the draft period is over (won't happen). He's committed to staying at least that long. Add the fact that he and his wife love the house they recently bought and it's looking like he isn't going anywhere.

Back to D-Jax though. The funny thing is that they were all set to sign him to a nice contract until he flaked out and starting demanding Larry Fitz money. After hearing things from their training staff they're happy he didn't accept the contract on the table. He also thinks that, if teams courting him do their due dilligence, he'll find it hard to get any kind of contract more than three years and even that'll be pushing it.

Awesome!Any other interesting info on other players? Any draft news yet?

Nah, it's still early re: the draft info. I know that a LB probably isn't going to be a 1st round pick though. They recognize the need but, at least in the 1st, they don't think the talent is there. I'd bet one of their 2nds will address the need at LB.

No offense to your buddy and their team, but when are they going to accept they need help evaluating top teir talent? Do you rib your buddy about his grades on Justin Tuck and Jason Pierre-Paul? Cause I suck at most talent evaluation, but in the NFL mock drafts in the shark pool I drafted both of them for the eagles ...

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I really don't think DJax is irreplaceable, mainly because we haven't seen DJax be the guy we thought he was for awhile. If I thought a big payday would have him recapture his dynamism and willingness to take a hit, I would push to pay the man. But at this point I don't see why a big payday will get him to play hard again.

From what I'm told, unless he takes a DEEP home town discount, he's done. They have lots of worries about stuff other than his attitude. I can't say more than that. I put it at less than a 5% chance he's back.

If its a personality issue, I can appreciate it. DJax has been a head case since high school.

I think that concussion changed him completly. He hasn't been the same since and I dont know that he'll ever overcome that fear. If we can get something for him then we should but I wouldn't worry about losing him.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I just feel that it's a no brainer if he falls to them at 15 to draft him. They need multiple LB selection in this draft. The only servicable LB they have on the team is Rolle and maybe Chaney. After the combine though I have a feeling Kecuhly's stock will rise. I could easily see the Cards drafting him because our old pal Stewart Bradley is hampered by injury and just isn't the same player he was.

I 100% agree. While Rolle and Chaney are serviceable I dont believe neither should be starters. If our entire draft went to LBers and safties I would be happy. We need something solid at both spots.I'm just REALLY hoping that now that there's a rookie cap that we can go up and get the guys we want wihout the worry of a prolonged holdout and insane money. Anyone have a breakdown of our picks?

 

[Insein]

For now. It seems like everything is good for him in Philly and he prefers to stay there unless he either: A)loses his job (not looking like it) or B) Indy throws a big raise at him after the draft period is over (won't happen). He's committed to staying at least that long. Add the fact that he and his wife love the house they recently bought and it's looking like he isn't going anywhere.

Back to D-Jax though. The funny thing is that they were all set to sign him to a nice contract until he flaked out and starting demanding Larry Fitz money. After hearing things from their training staff they're happy he didn't accept the contract on the table. He also thinks that, if teams courting him do their due dilligence, he'll find it hard to get any kind of contract more than three years and even that'll be pushing it.

Awesome!Any other interesting info on other players? Any draft news yet?

While I don't think its "awesome," he can be replaced. Not easily but they can draft a burner at WR. My jersey curse continues. Every Philly or Eagle I've bought the jersey for is gone within 2 years. Need to start buying players I don't like.

I have McNabb, Owens, Schmitt, and now Aso

Finally got McNabb in 06. Got Werth 2 years ago. Did hold off on getting a Rowand jersey cause he was obviously gone. DJax I got 2 years ago. Victorino and Lee are on the clock. Vic has been 5 years though, so he might survive. Lee I got last year.

 

[Insein]

I just feel that it's a no brainer if he falls to them at 15 to draft him. They need multiple LB selection in this draft. The only servicable LB they have on the team is Rolle and maybe Chaney. After the combine though I have a feeling Kecuhly's stock will rise. I could easily see the Cards drafting him because our old pal Stewart Bradley is hampered by injury and just isn't the same player he was.

I 100% agree. While Rolle and Chaney are serviceable I dont believe neither should be starters. If our entire draft went to LBers and safties I would be happy. We need something solid at both spots.I'm just REALLY hoping that now that there's a rookie cap that we can go up and get the guys we want wihout the worry of a prolonged holdout and insane money. Anyone have a breakdown of our picks?

Here's what we got. Round - Original Owner of pick - Comments 1 Eagles 2 Eagles 2 Cardinals - The Eagles traded Kevin Kolb to the Cardinals for Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and a 2nd round pick in 2012. 3 Eagles 4 Eagles 4 Buccaneers - The Eagles traded back from 104 to 116 with Tampa in the 2011 draft and picked up their 2012 4th round pick 5 Eagles 6 Eagles 6 Broncos - The Eagles traded LB Joe Mays for RB J.J. Arrington, on the condition that if Arrington did not make the Eagles’ 2010 53 man roster, the Eagles would instead receive the Broncos’ 2012 6th round pick. 6 Patriots - The Patriots acquired LB Tracy White and the Eagles’ 2012 seventh-round draft choice in exchange for the Pats’ 2012 sixth-round draft choice.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

For now. It seems like everything is good for him in Philly and he prefers to stay there unless he either: A)loses his job (not looking like it) or B) Indy throws a big raise at him after the draft period is over (won't happen). He's committed to staying at least that long. Add the fact that he and his wife love the house they recently bought and it's looking like he isn't going anywhere.

Back to D-Jax though. The funny thing is that they were all set to sign him to a nice contract until he flaked out and starting demanding Larry Fitz money. After hearing things from their training staff they're happy he didn't accept the contract on the table. He also thinks that, if teams courting him do their due dilligence, he'll find it hard to get any kind of contract more than three years and even that'll be pushing it.

Awesome!Any other interesting info on other players? Any draft news yet?

Nah, it's still early re: the draft info. I know that a LB probably isn't going to be a 1st round pick though. They recognize the need but, at least in the 1st, they don't think the talent is there. I'd bet one of their 2nds will address the need at LB.

No offense to your buddy and their team, but when are they going to accept they need help evaluating top teir talent? Do you rib your buddy about his grades on Justin Tuck and Jason Pierre-Paul? Cause I suck at most talent evaluation, but in the NFL mock drafts in the shark pool I drafted both of them for the eagles ...

He just provides the raw data, film and reccomendations. He knows who they are targeting going in to the draft, but he's as surprised as anyone when the pick is actually made. Sometimes they listen to him, sometimes they don't. I know Reid credits him to this day for selling him on taking Celek. I don't remember where he stood on Tuck, but I remember him talking JPP up quite a bit. To be fair though, he liked Brandon Graham out of that draft too.

 

[SouthJersey]

Do you guys really like Kuechly that much? I haven't watched much BC but 6'3 230 is small for a MLB.

 

[jasvic]

Does Jackson really need replacing? With the o-line starting to look like a strength, or at the least no longer a liability, I'd love to see them use both tight ends more. Pats have shown it can work, and it is a copy cat league. We know what we have in Celek, and Harbor has looked good so far as a receiver. Would it be crazy to roll with Maclin, Cooper, Avant and a draft pick, but lean more on the TEs and Shady as receivers? I'd rather they use the money to resign McCoy and shore up the LBs.

Agreed, but I do think we'd have to find another decent wideout...although not necessarily a 1st round type.

Avant is a WR3, and Cooper is not starting talent. Harbor? Not a starter. Please dont compare Celek and Harbor to Gronk/Hernandez. This is coming from the biggest Celek lover east of Cincinnati.

I am in no way implying Celek/Harbor = Gronk/Hernandez, but I don't think they need to be either. I'm saying Celek/Harbor might be good enough to lean on more than they have this year. Between that and getting McCoy more involved in the passing game again, I feel you don't need a Jackson or equal replacement and you'd be ok with Maclin, Cooper, Avant and a rookie, and spend the money on shoring up the defense. But this all assumes they're willing to alter their offensive philosophy a bit and if Vick can "settle" for more intermediate targets and not always look for the big play. Pretty sure Steve Smith was only a 1 year deal, and I don't hate the idea of bringing him back, but it would have to be very cheap considering how awful he was this year.

 

[scratcher]

Do you guys really like Kuechly that much? I haven't watched much BC but 6'3 230 is small for a MLB.

I've read a few articles on Kuechly and watched a bit of film. Seems perfect for our scheme. Check out the link I posted above.Also he's not undersized. He's listed at 6'2" and 238 lbs, and will prob come to the combine at 240 lbs. Here's a list of LBs coming out of college (http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/918201/Untitledspreadsheet-Sheet1.jpg).

Another article on Kuechly: http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2011/12/12/2629832/the-case-for-luke-kuechly

 

[jasvic]

The more I read about Kuechly, the more upset I'm going to be when the Eagles pass on him.

 

[netnalp]

Vegas has Eagles at 6-1 to win SB next year. Only NE 5-1 and GB 11-2 are favored more. Giants are 8-1.

 

[CentralPA]

Vegas has Eagles at 6-1 to win SB next year. Only NE 5-1 and GB 11-2 are favored more. Giants are 8-1.

The 100-1 odds they gave to the Giants mid way through season goes to show that Vegas knows nothing. They have to be licking their wounds after the pay outs from those bets.

 

[Jason Wood]

Vegas has Eagles at 6-1 to win SB next year. Only NE 5-1 and GB 11-2 are favored more. Giants are 8-1.

The 100-1 odds they gave to the Giants mid way through season goes to show that Vegas knows nothing. They have to be licking their wounds after the pay outs from those bets.

Vegas sets odds based on money flow, they're merely matching the flow of buyers with sellers on a given bet.

 

[CentralPA]

Vegas has Eagles at 6-1 to win SB next year. Only NE 5-1 and GB 11-2 are favored more. Giants are 8-1.

The 100-1 odds they gave to the Giants mid way through season goes to show that Vegas knows nothing. They have to be licking their wounds after the pay outs from those bets.

Vegas sets odds based on money flow, they're merely matching the flow of buyers with sellers on a given bet.

Yeah I know, I'm just still very very bitter.

 

[Insein]

Vegas has Eagles at 6-1 to win SB next year. Only NE 5-1 and GB 11-2 are favored more. Giants are 8-1.

The 100-1 odds they gave to the Giants mid way through season goes to show that Vegas knows nothing. They have to be licking their wounds after the pay outs from those bets.

Very few people probably took that bet. So I'm sure Vegas is still in business. Vegas knows what they are doing. They are not in the business of telling you who will win games. They are in the business of telling you where most of the money is going so they can make the most profit.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I'd either take Kuechly or Vontaze Burfict at 15 to be honest with you an they should have a shot at both. Also I'd be interested to see what they did if a guy like Mark Barron fell to them too.

 

[renesauz]

While I don't think its "awesome," he can be replaced. Not easily but they can draft a burner at WR. My jersey curse continues. Every Philly or Eagle I've bought the jersey for is gone within 2 years. Need to start buying players I don't like.

Same issue here BUt worse...my sons and GF also got Jackson jerseys as an early 2010 Christmas present.

 

[delusional]

Hope they trade away their 3rd round pick, thats all i ask.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I'd either take Kuechly or Vontaze Burfict at 15 to be honest with you an they should have a shot at both. Also I'd be interested to see what they did if a guy like Mark Barron fell to them too.

This is the guy I'd prefer...I LOVE his attitude and he would be perfect here IMO

 

[Snotbubbles]

I'd either take Kuechly or Vontaze Burfict at 15 to be honest with you an they should have a shot at both. Also I'd be interested to see what they did if a guy like Mark Barron fell to them too.

I saw one scouting report that compared him to Patrick Willis. He actually graded out (by that scout) pretty favorably. I personally, don't know much about the guy. I wouldn't mind drafting a LB in round 1 and then going after a FA LB as well (like London Fletcher) on a short term deal.

 

[CentralPA]

I'd either take Kuechly or Vontaze Burfict at 15 to be honest with you an they should have a shot at both. Also I'd be interested to see what they did if a guy like Mark Barron fell to them too.

I actually took him in the Mock Draft thread but was told he is a major headcase plus his Senior year was a total let down from his stellar junior year. Doesn't mean he couldn't be very good at the next level if he keeps his head on straight.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I'd either take Kuechly or Vontaze Burfict at 15 to be honest with you an they should have a shot at both. Also I'd be interested to see what they did if a guy like Mark Barron fell to them too.

I actually took him in the Mock Draft thread but was told he is a major headcase plus his Senior year was a total let down from his stellar junior year. Doesn't mean he couldn't be very good at the next level if he keeps his head on straight.

He has similar size to Kuechly but looks a lot faster and much more intense. I think the defenisve could use that intensity. He was drawing a lot of comparisons to Ray Lewis as well.

 

[SouthJersey]

Burfict is a nasty player physically...but mentally he's a total knucklehead. If our defense had some strong leaders who could take him under his wing the 1st couple years he'd be great. But most of our defensive leaders are quiet lead by example guys.

If he falls in with the ME-1st crowd, which we have a bunch of on this team, he could end up being a bust who had loads of talent.

 

[Shane Falco]

Burfict is a huge headcase. I think he'd be a terrible fit here as a personality (probably great as a player). he needs a guy like Ray Lewis as a mentor. I won't be at all surprised when he slips to the late 2nd or 3rd round. Just too much of a wildcard, takes too many dumb penalties and personal fouls, doesn't play in his system. Jeez, he got benched for most of his bowl game Just a laundry list of issues with the guy. But he is a stud when his head is on straight

 

[Insein]

Burfict is a huge headcase. I think he'd be a terrible fit here as a personality (probably great as a player). he needs a guy like Ray Lewis as a mentor. I won't be at all surprised when he slips to the late 2nd or 3rd round. Just too much of a wildcard, takes too many dumb penalties and personal fouls, doesn't play in his system. Jeez, he got benched for most of his bowl game Just a laundry list of issues with the guy. But he is a stud when his head is on straight

Seems like the kind of guy the Ravens crave. Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up there.

 

[scratcher]

Burfict is more of a 3-4 ILB. The wide9 needs an instinctive LB who can shed blocks not a physical freak to crash into the LOS. Add to that fact that he's a headcase and its a big no thanks for me. Gimme Kuechly.

 

[Insein]

Burfict is more of a 3-4 ILB. The wide9 needs an instinctive LB who can shed blocks not a physical freak to crash into the LOS. Add to that fact that he's a headcase and its a big no thanks for me. Gimme Kuechly.

I'm really setting myself up for a let down like I did with Earl Thomas. The more I watch Kuechly, the more I salivate at the thought of him in our lineup. He projects to be perfect for our setup. But history shows that the eagles simply do not value the LB position. At best we're going to get a 2nd round pick on a prospect who fell due to injury in college.

 

[dhockster]

I wonder if the Eagles are more likely to take a LB in the first round now that the rookie wage scale is in place. In other words, the player that they take at 15 is going to have a pretty reasonable contract, whereas before, based on how the Eagles value LB's, the contract would be too high for them to take a LB in the 1st round.

One thing to remember in how the Eagles do things: The salary cap has a big impact on any decision they make. Therefore, when the rules relating to the salary cap change, most likely the Eagles change how they do things.

 

[Insein]

I wonder if the Eagles are more likely to take a LB in the first round now that the rookie wage scale is in place. In other words, the player that they take at 15 is going to have a pretty reasonable contract, whereas before, based on how the Eagles value LB's, the contract would be too high for them to take a LB in the 1st round.One thing to remember in how the Eagles do things: The salary cap has a big impact on any decision they make. Therefore, when the rules relating to the salary cap change, most likely the Eagles change how they do things.

That is a very good point. Hopefully it does make them break the trend. Moving up a few spots even to get Kuechly is better than grabbing another DE or DT at 15. He's a guy that can have an immediate impact with a full off season.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Burfict is a huge headcase. I think he'd be a terrible fit here as a personality (probably great as a player). he needs a guy like Ray Lewis as a mentor. I won't be at all surprised when he slips to the late 2nd or 3rd round. Just too much of a wildcard, takes too many dumb penalties and personal fouls, doesn't play in his system. Jeez, he got benched for most of his bowl game Just a laundry list of issues with the guy. But he is a stud when his head is on straight

I dont know much about any of the issues he has. I heard is name and then when I watched him play he just looked amazing. If he is a headcase then there's no shot he's here anyway.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

For the sake of discussion, lets just assume they won't take a LBer round 1...should they go get a guy like Mark Barron?

 

[Insein]

For the sake of discussion, lets just assume they won't take a LBer round 1...should they go get a guy like Mark Barron?

Best safety available. I'd be for it. It all depends on how high they rate Jarrett going into the draft. In all likelyhood, they're going to draft a DL. I just hope they get it right for a change.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

For the sake of discussion, lets just assume they won't take a LBer round 1...should they go get a guy like Mark Barron?

Best safety available. I'd be for it. It all depends on how high they rate Jarrett going into the draft. In all likelyhood, they're going to draft a DL. I just hope they get it right for a change.

Was Jarret supposed to be the FS or SS?

 

[Skeletore Eh]

I am surprised there is all this talk in here about drafting kuechly. Maybe it's just me, but I can't see them taking him or any LB at 15. It's just not their way of thinking. Can't imagine them at this point going back on their belief that LBs aren't that valuable. Sure it may have been obvious to most that LB was their biggest need this past season, but since when does that have an impact on their course of action? At this point any prediction of where they'll go with their pick, is pretty much a guess. Wouldn't be surprised to see them move up or down though.

 

[Insein]

For the sake of discussion, lets just assume they won't take a LBer round 1...should they go get a guy like Mark Barron?

Best safety available. I'd be for it. It all depends on how high they rate Jarrett going into the draft. In all likelyhood, they're going to draft a DL. I just hope they get it right for a change.

Was Jarret supposed to be the FS or SS?

Supposed to be FS since they have had Allen as the SS. But I would imagine its all up in the air since neither proved anything last year. One due to injury, the other due to inability thus far.

 

[Insein]

I am surprised there is all this talk in here about drafting kuechly. Maybe it's just me, but I can't see them taking him or any LB at 15. It's just not their way of thinking. Can't imagine them at this point going back on their belief that LBs aren't that valuable. Sure it may have been obvious to most that LB was their biggest need this past season, but since when does that have an impact on their course of action? At this point any prediction of where they'll go with their pick, is pretty much a guess. Wouldn't be surprised to see them move up or down though.

We've actually said that in almost every post about Kuechly. We hope he's taken but are aware of the history of the Eagles to NEVER draft LBs in the first round.

 

[Shane Falco]

For the sake of discussion, lets just assume they won't take a LBer round 1...should they go get a guy like Mark Barron?

Best safety available. I'd be for it. It all depends on how high they rate Jarrett going into the draft. In all likelyhood, they're going to draft a DL. I just hope they get it right for a change.

Was Jarret supposed to be the FS or SS?

Supposed to be FS since they have had Allen as the SS. But I would imagine its all up in the air since neither proved anything last year. One due to injury, the other due to inability thus far.

Allen is FS and Jarret is SS in all the links I have. Everything from pre-season last year pegged Jarret is a "hard hitting SS" as well

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/depthchart.php#phi

http://legacy.philadelphiaeagles.com/eagles_files/html/depth_chart_rosters_1.html

http://dev.rotoworld.com/teams/depth-charts/nfl.aspx

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/phi/formation/4-3-defense

 

[Shane Falco]

Burfict is a huge headcase. I think he'd be a terrible fit here as a personality (probably great as a player). he needs a guy like Ray Lewis as a mentor. I won't be at all surprised when he slips to the late 2nd or 3rd round. Just too much of a wildcard, takes too many dumb penalties and personal fouls, doesn't play in his system. Jeez, he got benched for most of his bowl game Just a laundry list of issues with the guy. But he is a stud when his head is on straight

I dont know much about any of the issues he has. I heard is name and then when I watched him play he just looked amazing. If he is a headcase then there's no shot he's here anyway.

Hey but on the plus side if he falls far enough (late 2?, 3rd round for sure). Andy will think he's stealing him and draft him. Even better if he gets hurt

For the sake of discussion, lets just assume they won't take a LBer round 1...should they go get a guy like Mark Barron?

I don't see how they could after investing 2 early picks on Safety the last 2 years. I think the 1st round is a lineman of some sort. Looks to me like another "trade back" year for Philly IMO

 

[Insein]

For the sake of discussion, lets just assume they won't take a LBer round 1...should they go get a guy like Mark Barron?

Best safety available. I'd be for it. It all depends on how high they rate Jarrett going into the draft. In all likelyhood, they're going to draft a DL. I just hope they get it right for a change.

Was Jarret supposed to be the FS or SS?

Supposed to be FS since they have had Allen as the SS. But I would imagine its all up in the air since neither proved anything last year. One due to injury, the other due to inability thus far.

Allen is FS and Jarret is SS in all the links I have. Everything from pre-season last year pegged Jarret is a "hard hitting SS" as well

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/depthchart.php#phi

http://legacy.philadelphiaeagles.com/eagles_files/html/depth_chart_rosters_1.html

http://dev.rotoworld.com/teams/depth-charts/nfl.aspx

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/phi/formation/4-3-defense

See now thats what I thought but then the Eagles have Allen listed as a SS on the website. So who knows?