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2012 Offseason Dynasty Trades (2 Viewers)

Dyno non ppr.

Team A gave: DeSean Jackson / Brandon Saine

Team B; gave: Denarius Moore / Taiwan Jones

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Team A gave: Andy Dalton, Knowshon Moreno, James Jones, Jerome Simpson

Team B gave: Matt Flynn, Evan Royster, Doug Baldwin, Jacoby Ford

 
12 teamgive 1.04get 2.04, three 2013 1st rounders (could be anywhere, I would rate them as mid-firsts right now... probably 50/50 that at least one will fall in the top 4)I gave up 1.04. I turned down two 2013 1sts a week ago without countering, so he knew he had to overpay to get it.
So he gave up that bounty to take a QB at 4 ? Hope the commish made him prepay his 2013 fees. Those are the kind of trades where the owner usually bails on his team.
 
Three recent trades, NON-PPRGave: Moore, Denarius OAK WRGot: Locker, Jake TEN QB; Year 2012 Draft Pick 1.12;Year 2012 Draft Pick 4.01;Year 2012 Draft Pick 5.09Gave: Year 2012 Draft Pick 1.12;Year 2012 Draft Pick 4.01; Year 2013 Round 1 Draft PickGot: Year 2012 Draft Pick 1.6Gave: Turner, Michael ATL RBGot: Year 2012 Draft Pick 2.02
Love the first two, do not like the last one. Turner was a top 10 RB last year. I get people wanting to sell now before a big decline, but not at 50 cents.
 
Three recent trades, NON-PPRGave: Moore, Denarius OAK WRGot: Locker, Jake TEN QB; Year 2012 Draft Pick 1.12;Year 2012 Draft Pick 4.01;Year 2012 Draft Pick 5.09Gave: Year 2012 Draft Pick 1.12;Year 2012 Draft Pick 4.01; Year 2013 Round 1 Draft PickGot: Year 2012 Draft Pick 1.6Gave: Turner, Michael ATL RBGot: Year 2012 Draft Pick 2.02
Love the first two, do not like the last one. Turner was a top 10 RB last year. I get people wanting to sell now before a big decline, but not at 50 cents.
I'll take the other side of the first one. I do like Jake Locker, but I think Denarius Moore will be a WR stud, and anything you get at #12 will not come close to the talent of DMoore. Fair trade, but I'll take Moore.
 
12 teamgive 1.04get 2.04, three 2013 1st rounders (could be anywhere, I would rate them as mid-firsts right now... probably 50/50 that at least one will fall in the top 4)I gave up 1.04. I turned down two 2013 1sts a week ago without countering, so he knew he had to overpay to get it.
So he gave up that bounty to take a QB at 4 ? Hope the commish made him prepay his 2013 fees. Those are the kind of trades where the owner usually bails on his team.
Nah, long time owner in a mostly-friends league, no worries about skipping out. He got a pretty decent deal to acquire the 2013 picks, so he wasn't too heavily invested in them.He has a core of AJ Green, J.Jones, Gronkowski, E. Manning, and M.Ingram, then Brown/Addai, Dem. Thomas, Sid Rice, DHB. He has picks 2, 4, 5, 12, and 18. He is probably looking at WR/RB/RB or RBx3 with his first three picks. A QB MIGHT go at 1.03, but probably not until 1.06 or so.I understand the argument for Luck and RGIII going so high, but I wouldn't take them in the top 4 or 5 unless I had to have a QB or it was a 14+ team league. I think this owner feels the same.
 
dyno 16 tm ppr/idp/cap league

Team A gave:

2012 1.08 rookie pick

2012 4.08 rookie pick

2012 5.14 rookie pick

Team B gave:

Frank Gore (fat contract with only 1 year left)

Fred Davis (friendly contract with only 1 year left)

Curtis Lofton (reasonable contract for 2 more years)

 
Same league as above (16 team 0.5 PPR)I gaveBoweCook1.05for A.J. GreenGives me a WR group ofNicksFitzGreenDezand TE's ofGrahamGatesThoughts?
Any thoughts on this?
I would not have given Bowe/Cook/1.05 for Green. IMO that's just too much, but I see why you did it and the end result seems like you won't miss what you lost. But in terms of value I like the Bowe side... but this could certainly work out for both sides.
 
Same league as above (16 team 0.5 PPR)I gaveBoweCook1.05for A.J. GreenGives me a WR group ofNicksFitzGreenDezand TE's ofGrahamGatesThoughts?
Any thoughts on this?
I would not have given Bowe/Cook/1.05 for Green. IMO that's just too much, but I see why you did it and the end result seems like you won't miss what you lost. But in terms of value I like the Bowe side... but this could certainly work out for both sides.
Yeah I felt it probably was an overpay but I love Green and felt I wouldn't be THAT adversely affected by the deal.
 
'inzanitee said:
'Donsmith753 said:
Same league as above (16 team 0.5 PPR)I gaveBoweCook1.05for A.J. GreenGives me a WR group ofNicksFitzGreenDezand TE's ofGrahamGatesThoughts?
Any thoughts on this?
I would not have given Bowe/Cook/1.05 for Green. IMO that's just too much, but I see why you did it and the end result seems like you won't miss what you lost. But in terms of value I like the Bowe side... but this could certainly work out for both sides.
Not an imbalanced trade, but I like the Bowe side of this trade by a fair margin.
 
OMFG! This just went down in my 16 tm ppr league:

Team A gave:

Larry Fitz

2012 1.05

Team B gave:

Brandon Lloyd

2012 1.01

I may be on my way out of this league.

 
OMFG! This just went down in my 16 tm ppr league:Team A gave:Larry Fitz2012 1.05Team B gave:Brandon Lloyd2012 1.01I may be on my way out of this league.
I'd bail too. Just no way to defend it even if there's no collusion. What's next: Aaron Rodgers for Colt McCoy?
 
Jambo Broncos gave up:

Lewis, Dion PHI RB

Royster, Evan WAS RB

Dunedin Buccaneers gave up:

Moreno, Knowshon DEN RB

Year 2012 Draft Pick 2.06

Year 2012 Draft Pick 3.10

Year 2012 Draft Pick 4.10

Year 2012 Draft Pick 5.12

 
OMFG! This just went down in my 16 tm ppr league:Team A gave:Larry Fitz2012 1.05Team B gave:Brandon Lloyd2012 1.01I may be on my way out of this league.
I'd bail too. Just no way to defend it even if there's no collusion. What's next: Aaron Rodgers for Colt McCoy?
I'm confused........which side won here?
You know what, I completely misread it -- I thought it was Fitz and the 1.01 for Lloyd and the 1.05. The actual trade is fine lol. My bad.
 
OMFG! This just went down in my 16 tm ppr league:Team A gave:Larry Fitz2012 1.05Team B gave:Brandon Lloyd2012 1.01I may be on my way out of this league.
I'd bail too. Just no way to defend it even if there's no collusion. What's next: Aaron Rodgers for Colt McCoy?
I'm confused........which side won here?
Agreed, I'd rather have Fitz & Floyd/RG3 but Lloyd and Richarson isn't terrible. :rolleyes:
 
OMFG! This just went down in my 16 tm ppr league:Team A gave:Larry Fitz2012 1.05Team B gave:Brandon Lloyd2012 1.01I may be on my way out of this league.
I'd bail too. Just no way to defend it even if there's no collusion. What's next: Aaron Rodgers for Colt McCoy?
I'm confused........which side won here?
:rolleyes: Tell ya what, send me $30 and you can buy my team. You'll fit right in.
Yeah, I clearly have no idea what I'm doing with this whole fantasy stuff.You obviously aren't aware that there are some people that have Richardson ALREADY as a top 2-3 dynasty RB. 1.1 > Fitz1.5 >> LloydHowever, Lloyd has been going for late 1st value, and especially with recent news that he may end up NE, his value has gone up for some. When you factor in that Richardson, to the owner acquiring him, is the best player in the deal and a likely top 4-5 player OVERALL, then giving up the 1.5 for Lloyd is a small price to pay when going from Fitz to Richardson. I don't even have Fitzgerald in my top 10 anymore and I'm not the only one.But thanks for the invite.
 
Give: F.Jackson,M.LeShoure

Get: R.Helu,E.Royster,2nd round pick

The owner getting F.Jackson flipped him so then....

Give: 2013 1st (Late) 2nd 2013

Get: F.Jackson,M.Hardesty

 
OMFG! This just went down in my 16 tm ppr league:Team A gave:Larry Fitz2012 1.05Team B gave:Brandon Lloyd2012 1.01I may be on my way out of this league.
I'd bail too. Just no way to defend it even if there's no collusion. What's next: Aaron Rodgers for Colt McCoy?
I'm confused........which side won here?
:rolleyes: Tell ya what, send me $30 and you can buy my team. You'll fit right in.
Yeah, I clearly have no idea what I'm doing with this whole fantasy stuff.You obviously aren't aware that there are some people that have Richardson ALREADY as a top 2-3 dynasty RB. 1.1 > Fitz1.5 >> LloydHowever, Lloyd has been going for late 1st value, and especially with recent news that he may end up NE, his value has gone up for some. When you factor in that Richardson, to the owner acquiring him, is the best player in the deal and a likely top 4-5 player OVERALL, then giving up the 1.5 for Lloyd is a small price to pay when going from Fitz to Richardson. I don't even have Fitzgerald in my top 10 anymore and I'm not the only one.But thanks for the invite.
Yeah I was really confused too. I thought it was a fair trade and then people are talking about leaving the league because of it. Thanks for putting yourself out there so I didn't have to gianmarco
 
OMFG! This just went down in my 16 tm ppr league:Team A gave:Larry Fitz2012 1.05Team B gave:Brandon Lloyd2012 1.01I may be on my way out of this league.
I'd bail too. Just no way to defend it even if there's no collusion. What's next: Aaron Rodgers for Colt McCoy?
I'm confused........which side won here?
:rolleyes: Tell ya what, send me $30 and you can buy my team. You'll fit right in.
Looks like you have a few people already that would fit right in based on the responses. " :rolleyes: "
 
OMFG! This just went down in my 16 tm ppr league:Team A gave:Larry Fitz2012 1.05Team B gave:Brandon Lloyd2012 1.01I may be on my way out of this league.
I'd bail too. Just no way to defend it even if there's no collusion. What's next: Aaron Rodgers for Colt McCoy?
I'm confused........which side won here?
:rolleyes: Tell ya what, send me $30 and you can buy my team. You'll fit right in.
Yeah, I clearly have no idea what I'm doing with this whole fantasy stuff.You obviously aren't aware that there are some people that have Richardson ALREADY as a top 2-3 dynasty RB. 1.1 > Fitz1.5 >> LloydHowever, Lloyd has been going for late 1st value, and especially with recent news that he may end up NE, his value has gone up for some. When you factor in that Richardson, to the owner acquiring him, is the best player in the deal and a likely top 4-5 player OVERALL, then giving up the 1.5 for Lloyd is a small price to pay when going from Fitz to Richardson. I don't even have Fitzgerald in my top 10 anymore and I'm not the only one.But thanks for the invite.
Yeah I was really confused too. I thought it was a fair trade and then people are talking about leaving the league because of it. Thanks for putting yourself out there so I didn't have to gianmarco
It is absolutely a fair trade.
 
OMFG! This just went down in my 16 tm ppr league:Team A gave:Larry Fitz2012 1.05Team B gave:Brandon Lloyd2012 1.01I may be on my way out of this league.
I'd bail too. Just no way to defend it even if there's no collusion. What's next: Aaron Rodgers for Colt McCoy?
I'm confused........which side won here?
:rolleyes: Tell ya what, send me $30 and you can buy my team. You'll fit right in.
Yeah, I clearly have no idea what I'm doing with this whole fantasy stuff.You obviously aren't aware that there are some people that have Richardson ALREADY as a top 2-3 dynasty RB. 1.1 > Fitz1.5 >> LloydHowever, Lloyd has been going for late 1st value, and especially with recent news that he may end up NE, his value has gone up for some. When you factor in that Richardson, to the owner acquiring him, is the best player in the deal and a likely top 4-5 player OVERALL, then giving up the 1.5 for Lloyd is a small price to pay when going from Fitz to Richardson. I don't even have Fitzgerald in my top 10 anymore and I'm not the only one.But thanks for the invite.
Yeah I was really confused too. I thought it was a fair trade and then people are talking about leaving the league because of it. Thanks for putting yourself out there so I didn't have to gianmarco
It is absolutely a fair trade.
Yeah, I see this as a pretty reasonable trade as well.
 
OMFG! This just went down in my 16 tm ppr league:Team A gave:Larry Fitz2012 1.05Team B gave:Brandon Lloyd2012 1.01I may be on my way out of this league.
I'd bail too. Just no way to defend it even if there's no collusion. What's next: Aaron Rodgers for Colt McCoy?
I'm confused........which side won here?
:rolleyes: Tell ya what, send me $30 and you can buy my team. You'll fit right in.
Yeah, I clearly have no idea what I'm doing with this whole fantasy stuff.You obviously aren't aware that there are some people that have Richardson ALREADY as a top 2-3 dynasty RB. 1.1 > Fitz1.5 >> LloydHowever, Lloyd has been going for late 1st value, and especially with recent news that he may end up NE, his value has gone up for some. When you factor in that Richardson, to the owner acquiring him, is the best player in the deal and a likely top 4-5 player OVERALL, then giving up the 1.5 for Lloyd is a small price to pay when going from Fitz to Richardson. I don't even have Fitzgerald in my top 10 anymore and I'm not the only one.But thanks for the invite.
Yeah I was really confused too. I thought it was a fair trade and then people are talking about leaving the league because of it. Thanks for putting yourself out there so I didn't have to gianmarco
It is absolutely a fair trade.
Yeah, I see this as a pretty reasonable trade as well.
Agree I see nothing wrong with this. Will turn out to be great for the new Fitz owner if Peyton lands in Arizona.
 
OMFG! This just went down in my 16 tm ppr league:Team A gave:Larry Fitz2012 1.05Team B gave:Brandon Lloyd2012 1.01I may be on my way out of this league.
I'd bail too. Just no way to defend it even if there's no collusion. What's next: Aaron Rodgers for Colt McCoy?
I'm confused........which side won here?
:rolleyes: Tell ya what, send me $30 and you can buy my team. You'll fit right in.
Yeah, I clearly have no idea what I'm doing with this whole fantasy stuff.You obviously aren't aware that there are some people that have Richardson ALREADY as a top 2-3 dynasty RB. 1.1 > Fitz1.5 >> LloydHowever, Lloyd has been going for late 1st value, and especially with recent news that he may end up NE, his value has gone up for some. When you factor in that Richardson, to the owner acquiring him, is the best player in the deal and a likely top 4-5 player OVERALL, then giving up the 1.5 for Lloyd is a small price to pay when going from Fitz to Richardson. I don't even have Fitzgerald in my top 10 anymore and I'm not the only one.But thanks for the invite.
Yeah I was really confused too. I thought it was a fair trade and then people are talking about leaving the league because of it. Thanks for putting yourself out there so I didn't have to gianmarco
It is absolutely a fair trade.
Yeah, I see this as a pretty reasonable trade as well.
Agree I see nothing wrong with this. Will turn out to be great for the new Fitz owner if Peyton lands in Arizona.
LOL! I guess all you guys are offspring of Nostradamus...assuming he will take Richardson. His only QB is Carson Palmer. He has decent RB's in Donald Brown, Kendall Hunter, Marshawn Lynch, Kevin Smith, and Daniel Thomas.I'm thinking he's leaning more towards RGIII or Luck. And now that Luck is going to a team that is TOTALLY rebuilding from scratch and probably won't be worth a squat until 3 - 4 years down the road, you would probably still say he made the right move. His WR's are now Lloyd, Julio Jones and Hakeem Nicks.I think I would have rather sat WITH Fitz and took which QB fell to 1.05 than take a 31 yr old Brandon Lloyd that MAY OR MAY NOT go to NE. Even if he does go to NE, since when have they had a WR #1 worth having NOT named Randy Moss? Brandon Lloyd does not = Randy Moss and DOES NOT = Larry Fitzgerald. IF Brandon Lloyd were to suddenly turn into a stud WR if he goes to NE, there would be a lot of prognosticators wrong about Gronkowski and Hernandez and Welker.And if Lloyd stays in St. Louis...he will not be a stud WR.So, my offer still stands. If any of you are interested in buying my team for $30 you can paypal me. I have a decent team. Made it to the first round of the playoffs. Young talent. Decent depth and a full gamut of draft picks for 2012.
 
LOL! I guess all you guys are offspring of Nostradamus...assuming he will take Richardson. His only QB is Carson Palmer. He has decent RB's in Donald Brown, Kendall Hunter, Marshawn Lynch, Kevin Smith, and Daniel Thomas.
You can win with a QB like Palmer and besides good QB's are easy to acquire. If he does in fact take a QB at 1.01 then I can see your concern. Until then it's a fair trade.Also, as far as those RB's being decent, they are, but none of them close to Richardson's level. Plenty of trade bait there as well.
 
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12 team standard scoring:

Team A gives: Beanie Wells and Brandon Pettigrew

Team B gives: Brandon Marshall, Michael Turner and Jason Snelling

 
OMFG! This just went down in my 16 tm ppr league:Team A gave:Larry Fitz2012 1.05Team B gave:Brandon Lloyd2012 1.01I may be on my way out of this league.
I'd bail too. Just no way to defend it even if there's no collusion. What's next: Aaron Rodgers for Colt McCoy?
I'm confused........which side won here?
:rolleyes: Tell ya what, send me $30 and you can buy my team. You'll fit right in.
Yeah, I clearly have no idea what I'm doing with this whole fantasy stuff.You obviously aren't aware that there are some people that have Richardson ALREADY as a top 2-3 dynasty RB. 1.1 > Fitz1.5 >> LloydHowever, Lloyd has been going for late 1st value, and especially with recent news that he may end up NE, his value has gone up for some. When you factor in that Richardson, to the owner acquiring him, is the best player in the deal and a likely top 4-5 player OVERALL, then giving up the 1.5 for Lloyd is a small price to pay when going from Fitz to Richardson. I don't even have Fitzgerald in my top 10 anymore and I'm not the only one.But thanks for the invite.
Yeah I was really confused too. I thought it was a fair trade and then people are talking about leaving the league because of it. Thanks for putting yourself out there so I didn't have to gianmarco
It is absolutely a fair trade.
Yeah, I see this as a pretty reasonable trade as well.
Agree I see nothing wrong with this. Will turn out to be great for the new Fitz owner if Peyton lands in Arizona.
LOL! I guess all you guys are offspring of Nostradamus...assuming he will take Richardson. His only QB is Carson Palmer. He has decent RB's in Donald Brown, Kendall Hunter, Marshawn Lynch, Kevin Smith, and Daniel Thomas.I'm thinking he's leaning more towards RGIII or Luck. And now that Luck is going to a team that is TOTALLY rebuilding from scratch and probably won't be worth a squat until 3 - 4 years down the road, you would probably still say he made the right move. His WR's are now Lloyd, Julio Jones and Hakeem Nicks.I think I would have rather sat WITH Fitz and took which QB fell to 1.05 than take a 31 yr old Brandon Lloyd that MAY OR MAY NOT go to NE. Even if he does go to NE, since when have they had a WR #1 worth having NOT named Randy Moss? Brandon Lloyd does not = Randy Moss and DOES NOT = Larry Fitzgerald. IF Brandon Lloyd were to suddenly turn into a stud WR if he goes to NE, there would be a lot of prognosticators wrong about Gronkowski and Hernandez and Welker.And if Lloyd stays in St. Louis...he will not be a stud WR.So, my offer still stands. If any of you are interested in buying my team for $30 you can paypal me. I have a decent team. Made it to the first round of the playoffs. Young talent. Decent depth and a full gamut of draft picks for 2012.
What's the nostradamus stuff all about?Trent Richardson is easily the consensus #1 pick in just about any format (only exception would maybe be a 2 QB league, but even then, I think Richardson goes ahead of him). So its not all that crazy for people to assume that is the target for the guy at 1.01.As for your major complaints, I was in a startup recently and Trent Richardson went 8th overall as the 4th RB off the board, ahead of Larry Fitzgerald. The 1.05 rookie pick is worth more than Lloyd (I think most would agree), but if a guy really likes Richardson, I could see that dropoff as being worth it. If your league mate agrees with the draft experts that Richardson is the best RB prospect since ADP (with better pass catching ability that arguably could make him a more valuable fantasy RB) and that he will be a true #1 stud RB for the next 6-8 years, then I can easily see how he would give up what he did to acquire him. Especially since Fitz turns 29 this summer, has a crappy QB situation (unless Manning unexpectedly lands there) and is coming off of 2 disappointing seasons in a row. It's not crazy to think that Fitz's value could fall off a cliff after this season when he turns 30 if he has another mediocre season. Now, your leaguemate could end up being wrong and losing this deal, but he also has a reasonable chance of winning this transaction.Personally, I would prefer Fitz and 1.05 over Richardson and Lloyd, but not by a ton. This a pretty fair trade and throwing a hissy fit about seems kind of crazy to me. In my opinion, people like you who assume the value that you assign to players is absolutely 100% correct and who want to manage everyone else's roster for them and complain about every trade that you wouldn't have personally made are the types who kill leagues.
 
LOL! I guess all you guys are offspring of Nostradamus...assuming he will take Richardson. His only QB is Carson Palmer. He has decent RB's in Donald Brown, Kendall Hunter, Marshawn Lynch, Kevin Smith, and Daniel Thomas.
You can win with a QB like Palmer and besides good QB's are easy to acquire. If he does in fact take a QB at 1.01 then I can see your concern. Until then it's a fair trade.Also, as far as those RB's being decent, they are, but none of them close to Richardson's level. Plenty of trade bait there as well.
That's what they all said about Ingram last year too. Teams are running too much RBBC's for RB's to have 1.01 value. And I'd be willing to bet that Richardson lands in a similar situation.
 
What's the nostradamus stuff all about?Trent Richardson is easily the consensus #1 pick in just about any format (only exception would maybe be a 2 QB league, but even then, I think Richardson goes ahead of him). So its not all that crazy for people to assume that is the target for the guy at 1.01.As for your major complaints, I was in a startup recently and Trent Richardson went 8th overall as the 4th RB off the board, ahead of Larry Fitzgerald. The 1.05 rookie pick is worth more than Lloyd (I think most would agree), but if a guy really likes Richardson, I could see that dropoff as being worth it. If your league mate agrees with the draft experts that Richardson is the best RB prospect since ADP (with better pass catching ability that arguably could make him a more valuable fantasy RB) and that he will be a true #1 stud RB for the next 6-8 years, then I can easily see how he would give up what he did to acquire him. Especially since Fitz turns 29 this summer, has a crappy QB situation (unless Manning unexpectedly lands there) and is coming off of 2 disappointing seasons in a row. It's not crazy to think that Fitz's value could fall off a cliff after this season when he turns 30 if he has another mediocre season. Now, your leaguemate could end up being wrong and losing this deal, but he also has a reasonable chance of winning this transaction.Personally, I would prefer Fitz and 1.05 over Richardson and Lloyd, but not by a ton. This a pretty fair trade and throwing a hissy fit about seems kind of crazy to me. In my opinion, people like you who assume the value that you assign to players is absolutely 100% correct and who want to manage everyone else's roster for them and complain about every trade that you wouldn't have personally made are the types who kill leagues.
I can assure you I have never killed a league. But have left leagues for similar actions and those leagues seem to falter shortly thereafter. The writing is usually on the wall. There are numerous owners in this same league that disagreed with the trade.I'm willing to drop the subject. Time will tell who was right.
 
LOL! I guess all you guys are offspring of Nostradamus...assuming he will take Richardson. His only QB is Carson Palmer. He has decent RB's in Donald Brown, Kendall Hunter, Marshawn Lynch, Kevin Smith, and Daniel Thomas.
You can win with a QB like Palmer and besides good QB's are easy to acquire. If he does in fact take a QB at 1.01 then I can see your concern. Until then it's a fair trade.Also, as far as those RB's being decent, they are, but none of them close to Richardson's level. Plenty of trade bait there as well.
That's what they all said about Ingram last year too. Teams are running too much RBBC's for RB's to have 1.01 value. And I'd be willing to bet that Richardson lands in a similar situation.
Not me. Simply put I thought Ingram sucked and that Richardson is the best prospect at RB in a long time. Comparing them is Ridiculous.
 
Dyno non ppr.Team A gave: DeSean Jackson / Brandon SaineTeam B; gave: Denarius Moore / Taiwan Jones--------------------------------Team A gave: Andy Dalton, Knowshon Moreno, James Jones, Jerome SimpsonTeam B gave: Matt Flynn, Evan Royster, Doug Baldwin, Jacoby Ford
Team B, and Team B
 
What's the nostradamus stuff all about?Trent Richardson is easily the consensus #1 pick in just about any format (only exception would maybe be a 2 QB league, but even then, I think Richardson goes ahead of him). So its not all that crazy for people to assume that is the target for the guy at 1.01.As for your major complaints, I was in a startup recently and Trent Richardson went 8th overall as the 4th RB off the board, ahead of Larry Fitzgerald. The 1.05 rookie pick is worth more than Lloyd (I think most would agree), but if a guy really likes Richardson, I could see that dropoff as being worth it. If your league mate agrees with the draft experts that Richardson is the best RB prospect since ADP (with better pass catching ability that arguably could make him a more valuable fantasy RB) and that he will be a true #1 stud RB for the next 6-8 years, then I can easily see how he would give up what he did to acquire him. Especially since Fitz turns 29 this summer, has a crappy QB situation (unless Manning unexpectedly lands there) and is coming off of 2 disappointing seasons in a row. It's not crazy to think that Fitz's value could fall off a cliff after this season when he turns 30 if he has another mediocre season. Now, your leaguemate could end up being wrong and losing this deal, but he also has a reasonable chance of winning this transaction.Personally, I would prefer Fitz and 1.05 over Richardson and Lloyd, but not by a ton. This a pretty fair trade and throwing a hissy fit about seems kind of crazy to me. In my opinion, people like you who assume the value that you assign to players is absolutely 100% correct and who want to manage everyone else's roster for them and complain about every trade that you wouldn't have personally made are the types who kill leagues.
I can assure you I have never killed a league. But have left leagues for similar actions and those leagues seem to falter shortly thereafter. The writing is usually on the wall. There are numerous owners in this same league that disagreed with the trade.I'm willing to drop the subject. Time will tell who was right.
I think the bottom line is that it isn't a trade to complain about let alone contemplating leaving a league over. That is absolutely ludicrous. In fact, I'm still not sure which side you think got stiffed. Lloyd, in his first year with no training camp and poor QB/OL play, still averaged 13 ppg. He had 150 targets, nearly 1000 yds and 5 TD's without the benefit of off-season and training camp work with his new QB. That's coming off of a 1448 yd, 11 TD season with Orton at QB. Even if he stays with St Louis I don't think he's bad off. Fitz has still been top 10 with lousy QB's and could ascend again to top 5 with an upgrade at QB. Fitz and Lloyd were 3.7 ppg apart. Over the past 2 years it looks like this:Fitz = 510 fantasy points over 32 games = avg of 15.93, 170 rec. for 2548 yds, 24 TD on 327 targetsLloyd = 483 fantasy points over 31 games = avg of 15.58, 147 rec for 2414 yds, 16 TD on 303 targetsFitz is still an upgrade worth the 4 draft spots from 1.1 to 1.5 (I think most people would assume this). I don't see what the issue is.
 
OMFG! This just went down in my 16 tm ppr league:Team A gave:Larry Fitz2012 1.05Team B gave:Brandon Lloyd2012 1.01I may be on my way out of this league.
I'd bail too. Just no way to defend it even if there's no collusion. What's next: Aaron Rodgers for Colt McCoy?
I'm confused........which side won here?
:rolleyes: Tell ya what, send me $30 and you can buy my team. You'll fit right in.
Yeah, I clearly have no idea what I'm doing with this whole fantasy stuff.You obviously aren't aware that there are some people that have Richardson ALREADY as a top 2-3 dynasty RB. 1.1 > Fitz1.5 >> LloydHowever, Lloyd has been going for late 1st value, and especially with recent news that he may end up NE, his value has gone up for some. When you factor in that Richardson, to the owner acquiring him, is the best player in the deal and a likely top 4-5 player OVERALL, then giving up the 1.5 for Lloyd is a small price to pay when going from Fitz to Richardson. I don't even have Fitzgerald in my top 10 anymore and I'm not the only one.But thanks for the invite.
Yeah I was really confused too. I thought it was a fair trade and then people are talking about leaving the league because of it. Thanks for putting yourself out there so I didn't have to gianmarco
It is absolutely a fair trade.
Yeah, I see this as a pretty reasonable trade as well.
Agree I see nothing wrong with this. Will turn out to be great for the new Fitz owner if Peyton lands in Arizona.
LOL! I guess all you guys are offspring of Nostradamus...assuming he will take Richardson. His only QB is Carson Palmer. He has decent RB's in Donald Brown, Kendall Hunter, Marshawn Lynch, Kevin Smith, and Daniel Thomas.I'm thinking he's leaning more towards RGIII or Luck. And now that Luck is going to a team that is TOTALLY rebuilding from scratch and probably won't be worth a squat until 3 - 4 years down the road, you would probably still say he made the right move. His WR's are now Lloyd, Julio Jones and Hakeem Nicks.I think I would have rather sat WITH Fitz and took which QB fell to 1.05 than take a 31 yr old Brandon Lloyd that MAY OR MAY NOT go to NE. Even if he does go to NE, since when have they had a WR #1 worth having NOT named Randy Moss? Brandon Lloyd does not = Randy Moss and DOES NOT = Larry Fitzgerald. IF Brandon Lloyd were to suddenly turn into a stud WR if he goes to NE, there would be a lot of prognosticators wrong about Gronkowski and Hernandez and Welker.And if Lloyd stays in St. Louis...he will not be a stud WR.So, my offer still stands. If any of you are interested in buying my team for $30 you can paypal me. I have a decent team. Made it to the first round of the playoffs. Young talent. Decent depth and a full gamut of draft picks for 2012.
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