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2012 Offseason Dynasty Trades (1 Viewer)

Really curious to hear thoughts on this. 16 team .5 PPR dynasty (I wasn't involved)Jambo Broncos gave up:Year 2012 Draft Pick 1.03Year 2012 Draft Pick 1.16Year 2012 Draft Pick 2.11Dunedin Buccaneers gave up:Brees, Drew NOS QBYear 2012 Draft Pick 1.10I should add that the Team that got the 1.3 has a deal in principal to move up to 1.02 for the late second rounder
In a 16 team league, having a high end QB like Drew Brees is huge, much more valuable than the 1.03 in my mind. The 1.10 > 1.16 and 2.11 as well, so I would much rather be on the Jambo Broncos side.If however, the team giving up Brees isn't in a "win now" mode, then I can understand it (but think he could have gotten more).
He's in the toughest Divison and doesn't have a hope this year. Has three first rounders this year (one for RG3/Luck) and two next year (one which should be top 4) so I can see why he did it. Negotiations for this have been going on a long time.
 
PPR 12 team 25 man rosters.

all tds= 6

1qb, 2rb, 2wr, 1te, 1k, 1d/st

Team B trades Percy Harvin to Team A for 1.09 rookie pick in 2012

 
PPR 12 team 25 man rosters.all tds= 61qb, 2rb, 2wr, 1te, 1k, 1d/stTeam B trades Percy Harvin to Team A for 1.09 rookie pick in 2012
Pathetic that Harvin goes this cheap
Percy got stolen.
:bag: I had him as mid range WR2 with chance to maybe move high end WR2. HE was #13 in scoring in my league last year. Not sure he would be able to repeat that in 2012. Many dynasty ranking lists out there for 2012 have him ranked in the range of 16 to 25 which seems his ceiling.
 
PPR 12 team 25 man rosters.all tds= 61qb, 2rb, 2wr, 1te, 1k, 1d/stTeam B trades Percy Harvin to Team A for 1.09 rookie pick in 2012
Pathetic that Harvin goes this cheap
Percy got stolen.
:bag: I had him as mid range WR2 with chance to maybe move high end WR2. HE was #13 in scoring in my league last year. Not sure he would be able to repeat that in 2012. Many dynasty ranking lists out there for 2012 have him ranked in the range of 16 to 25 which seems his ceiling.
If he just finished 13 how is his ceiling 16-25? Last year was an outlier for his rushing attempts, but I'd expect that to continue with Peterson on the mend. Harvin's receiving numbers have done nothing but trend up his 3 years in the league. He's an elite playmaker.
 
PPR 12 team 25 man rosters.all tds= 61qb, 2rb, 2wr, 1te, 1k, 1d/stTeam B trades Percy Harvin to Team A for 1.09 rookie pick in 2012
Pathetic that Harvin goes this cheap
Percy got stolen.
:bag: I had him as mid range WR2 with chance to maybe move high end WR2. HE was #13 in scoring in my league last year. Not sure he would be able to repeat that in 2012. Many dynasty ranking lists out there for 2012 have him ranked in the range of 16 to 25 which seems his ceiling.
If he just finished 13 how is his ceiling 16-25? Last year was an outlier for his rushing attempts, but I'd expect that to continue with Peterson on the mend. Harvin's receiving numbers have done nothing but trend up his 3 years in the league. He's an elite playmaker.
Thinking a regression is in order and other wr's in league eclipsing his 2011 performance.ETA: WR's I think are better dynasty:1. Calvin Johnson2. AJ Green3. Larry Fitz4. Hakeem Nicks5. Mike Wallace6. Roddy White7. Julio Jones8. Victor Cruz9. Kenny Britt10. Wes Welker11. Greg Jennings12. Jordy Nelson13. Marques Colston14. Vincent Jackson15. Brandon Marshall16. Steve Johnson17. Justin Blackmon18. Dwayne Bowe19. Dez Bryant20. Miles Austin21. Antonio Brown22. Denarius Moore23. Santonio Holmes24. Percy Harvin 25. Brandon Lloyd26. Michael Crabtree27. Steve Smith28. Michael Floyd29. Robert Meachem30. Vincent Brown31. Kendall Wright32. Torrey Smith
 
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'pghrob said:
'Steed said:
'pghrob said:
'petenice15 said:
'Steed said:
'pghrob said:
PPR 12 team 25 man rosters.all tds= 61qb, 2rb, 2wr, 1te, 1k, 1d/stTeam B trades Percy Harvin to Team A for 1.09 rookie pick in 2012
Pathetic that Harvin goes this cheap
Percy got stolen.
:bag: I had him as mid range WR2 with chance to maybe move high end WR2. HE was #13 in scoring in my league last year. Not sure he would be able to repeat that in 2012. Many dynasty ranking lists out there for 2012 have him ranked in the range of 16 to 25 which seems his ceiling.
If he just finished 13 how is his ceiling 16-25? Last year was an outlier for his rushing attempts, but I'd expect that to continue with Peterson on the mend. Harvin's receiving numbers have done nothing but trend up his 3 years in the league. He's an elite playmaker.
Thinking a regression is in order and other wr's in league eclipsing his 2011 performance.
E(X) and Max(value) are two very different things.
 
'pghrob said:
'Steed said:
'pghrob said:
'petenice15 said:
'Steed said:
'pghrob said:
PPR 12 team 25 man rosters.

all tds= 6

1qb, 2rb, 2wr, 1te, 1k, 1d/st

Team B trades Percy Harvin to Team A for 1.09 rookie pick in 2012
Pathetic that Harvin goes this cheap
Percy got stolen.
:bag: I had him as mid range WR2 with chance to maybe move high end WR2. HE was #13 in scoring in my league last year. Not sure he would be able to repeat that in 2012. Many dynasty ranking lists out there for 2012 have him ranked in the range of 16 to 25 which seems his ceiling.
If he just finished 13 how is his ceiling 16-25? Last year was an outlier for his rushing attempts, but I'd expect that to continue with Peterson on the mend. Harvin's receiving numbers have done nothing but trend up his 3 years in the league. He's an elite playmaker.
Thinking a regression is in order and other wr's in league eclipsing his 2011 performance.
E(X) and Max(value) are two very different things.
:nerd: is a little to academic/statistically over my head. What does that mean?
 
'pghrob said:
'Steed said:
'pghrob said:
'petenice15 said:
'Steed said:
'pghrob said:
PPR 12 team 25 man rosters.all tds= 61qb, 2rb, 2wr, 1te, 1k, 1d/stTeam B trades Percy Harvin to Team A for 1.09 rookie pick in 2012
Pathetic that Harvin goes this cheap
Percy got stolen.
:bag: I had him as mid range WR2 with chance to maybe move high end WR2. HE was #13 in scoring in my league last year. Not sure he would be able to repeat that in 2012. Many dynasty ranking lists out there for 2012 have him ranked in the range of 16 to 25 which seems his ceiling.
If he just finished 13 how is his ceiling 16-25? Last year was an outlier for his rushing attempts, but I'd expect that to continue with Peterson on the mend. Harvin's receiving numbers have done nothing but trend up his 3 years in the league. He's an elite playmaker.
Thinking a regression is in order and other wr's in league eclipsing his 2011 performance.ETA: WR's I think are better dynasty:1. Calvin Johnson2. AJ Green3. Larry Fitz4. Hakeem Nicks5. Mike Wallace6. Roddy White7. Julio Jones8. Victor Cruz9. Kenny Britt10. Wes Welker11. Greg Jennings12. Jordy Nelson13. Marques Colston14. Vincent Jackson15. Brandon Marshall16. Steve Johnson17. Justin Blackmon18. Dwayne Bowe19. Dez Bryant20. Miles Austin21. Antonio Brown22. Denarius Moore23. Santonio Holmes24. Percy Harvin 25. Brandon Lloyd26. Michael Crabtree27. Steve Smith28. Michael Floyd29. Robert Meachem30. Vincent Brown31. Kendall Wright32. Torrey Smith
Why Do u think santonio is better than harvin?
 
I see him getting his act together with Sanchez and playing up to his potential after his disastrous meltdown last season. I think his potential is greater than Harvin's. Better hands, better route runner, just as good YAC, on a slightly better offense in a division (AFC East) where the defenses are not as good as in the NFC North.

 
'Donsmith753 said:
'solorca said:
'Donsmith753 said:
Really curious to hear thoughts on this. 16 team .5 PPR dynasty (I wasn't involved)Jambo Broncos gave up:Year 2012 Draft Pick 1.03Year 2012 Draft Pick 1.16Year 2012 Draft Pick 2.11Dunedin Buccaneers gave up:Brees, Drew NOS QBYear 2012 Draft Pick 1.10I should add that the Team that got the 1.3 has a deal in principal to move up to 1.02 for the late second rounder
In a 16 team league, having a high end QB like Drew Brees is huge, much more valuable than the 1.03 in my mind. The 1.10 > 1.16 and 2.11 as well, so I would much rather be on the Jambo Broncos side.If however, the team giving up Brees isn't in a "win now" mode, then I can understand it (but think he could have gotten more).
He's in the toughest Divison and doesn't have a hope this year. Has three first rounders this year (one for RG3/Luck) and two next year (one which should be top 4) so I can see why he did it. Negotiations for this have been going on a long time.
Second trades been done, it's got a stipulation that he can't choose Blackmon with the pick but he wasn't going to anyway.Overall it's nowBrees1.10For 1.021.16
 
That Brees trade I mentioned is one of three between those teams in the last 3 weeks.

After all three here's how both teams came out.

Dunedin Bucs Gave:

Drew Brees

1.10

Tim Tebow

Knowshown Moreno

2.06

2.10

4.10

5.12

For:

1.02

1.12

1.16

Christian Ponder

Early Doucet

Dion Lewis

Evan Royster

3.16

4.16

5.16

 
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'pghrob said:
'petenice15 said:
'Steed said:
'pghrob said:
PPR 12 team 25 man rosters.all tds= 61qb, 2rb, 2wr, 1te, 1k, 1d/stTeam B trades Percy Harvin to Team A for 1.09 rookie pick in 2012
Pathetic that Harvin goes this cheap
Percy got stolen.
:bag: I had him as mid range WR2 with chance to maybe move high end WR2. HE was #13 in scoring in my league last year. Not sure he would be able to repeat that in 2012. Many dynasty ranking lists out there for 2012 have him ranked in the range of 16 to 25 which seems his ceiling.
Yeah that trade is terrible. It's irrelevant if you think he is due for regression next year, he's still worth more than the 1.9.In your list of wrs I could make the argument for Harvin from colston on down. The fact you have santonio Holmes and denarious Moore over him is just laughable
 
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I see him getting his act together with Sanchez and playing up to his potential after his disastrous meltdown last season. I think his potential is greater than Harvin's. Better hands, better route runner, just as good YAC, on a slightly better offense in a division (AFC East) where the defenses are not as good as in the NFC North.
Even if you thought Harvin was ridiculously overrated, I can't imagine that you couldn't get at least a mid-first for him. As a Harvin owner in a non-ppr league, I have turned down multiple options better than what you got.
 
Trying to wrap my head around this one:

Contract dynasty, 12 team, 0.5-1-1.5 PPR, start 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB/WR, 1 WR/TE, K, D

Team A gets: Brady, 2012 2.11, 2012 2.12, 2012 3.12, 2013 2nd (probably middle)

Team B gets: Harvin, Titus Young, 2012 1.02, 2013 1st (likely high)

Team B already has 1.04, so he can expect to draft Blackmon at 1.02 and still grab Luck or Griffin.

 
'Donsmith753 said:
'solorca said:
'Donsmith753 said:
Really curious to hear thoughts on this. 16 team .5 PPR dynasty (I wasn't involved)

Jambo Broncos gave up:

Year 2012 Draft Pick 1.03

Year 2012 Draft Pick 1.16

Year 2012 Draft Pick 2.11

Dunedin Buccaneers gave up:

Brees, Drew NOS QB

Year 2012 Draft Pick 1.10

I should add that the Team that got the 1.3 has a deal in principal to move up to 1.02 for the late second rounder
In a 16 team league, having a high end QB like Drew Brees is huge, much more valuable than the 1.03 in my mind. The 1.10 > 1.16 and 2.11 as well, so I would much rather be on the Jambo Broncos side.If however, the team giving up Brees isn't in a "win now" mode, then I can understand it (but think he could have gotten more).
He's in the toughest Divison and doesn't have a hope this year. Has three first rounders this year (one for RG3/Luck) and two next year (one which should be top 4) so I can see why he did it. Negotiations for this have been going on a long time.
Second trades been done, it's got a stipulation that he can't choose Blackmon with the pick but he wasn't going to anyway.Overall it's now

Brees

1.10

For

1.02

1.16
You can do this???
 
Trying to wrap my head around this one:Contract dynasty, 12 team, 0.5-1-1.5 PPR, start 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB/WR, 1 WR/TE, K, DTeam A gets: Brady, 2012 2.11, 2012 2.12, 2012 3.12, 2013 2nd (probably middle)Team B gets: Harvin, Titus Young, 2012 1.02, 2013 1st (likely high)Team B already has 1.04, so he can expect to draft Blackmon at 1.02 and still grab Luck or Griffin.
Love it for Team B.
 
'Donsmith753 said:
'solorca said:
'Donsmith753 said:
Really curious to hear thoughts on this. 16 team .5 PPR dynasty (I wasn't involved)

Jambo Broncos gave up:

Year 2012 Draft Pick 1.03

Year 2012 Draft Pick 1.16

Year 2012 Draft Pick 2.11

Dunedin Buccaneers gave up:

Brees, Drew NOS QB

Year 2012 Draft Pick 1.10

I should add that the Team that got the 1.3 has a deal in principal to move up to 1.02 for the late second rounder
In a 16 team league, having a high end QB like Drew Brees is huge, much more valuable than the 1.03 in my mind. The 1.10 > 1.16 and 2.11 as well, so I would much rather be on the Jambo Broncos side.If however, the team giving up Brees isn't in a "win now" mode, then I can understand it (but think he could have gotten more).
He's in the toughest Divison and doesn't have a hope this year. Has three first rounders this year (one for RG3/Luck) and two next year (one which should be top 4) so I can see why he did it. Negotiations for this have been going on a long time.
Second trades been done, it's got a stipulation that he can't choose Blackmon with the pick but he wasn't going to anyway.Overall it's now

Brees

1.10

For

1.02

1.16
You can do this???
Hah, two owners made a deal like this in one of my leagues last year. Kid move up 1 spot in draft and promised not to take Julio.. Ended up with Dan Thomas.
 
'Donsmith753 said:
'solorca said:
'Donsmith753 said:
Really curious to hear thoughts on this. 16 team .5 PPR dynasty (I wasn't involved)

Jambo Broncos gave up:

Year 2012 Draft Pick 1.03

Year 2012 Draft Pick 1.16

Year 2012 Draft Pick 2.11

Dunedin Buccaneers gave up:

Brees, Drew NOS QB

Year 2012 Draft Pick 1.10

I should add that the Team that got the 1.3 has a deal in principal to move up to 1.02 for the late second rounder
In a 16 team league, having a high end QB like Drew Brees is huge, much more valuable than the 1.03 in my mind. The 1.10 > 1.16 and 2.11 as well, so I would much rather be on the Jambo Broncos side.If however, the team giving up Brees isn't in a "win now" mode, then I can understand it (but think he could have gotten more).
He's in the toughest Divison and doesn't have a hope this year. Has three first rounders this year (one for RG3/Luck) and two next year (one which should be top 4) so I can see why he did it. Negotiations for this have been going on a long time.
Second trades been done, it's got a stipulation that he can't choose Blackmon with the pick but he wasn't going to anyway.Overall it's now

Brees

1.10

For

1.02

1.16
You can do this???
It can be agreed on, but I don't see how it is enforceable. Once the pick is made the other trade partner would have to immediately demand that the draft be stopped and the pick voided, along with the trade being reversed. That is assuming the Commish would be agreeable to intervene and that this situation is somehow covered by the rules. Plus if several picks were made after this before the draft was stopped, you might have several angry owners who didn't get the player(s) they thought they had drafted.
 
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It can be agreed on, but I don't see how it is enforceable. Once the pick is made the other trade partner would have to immediately demand that the draft be stopped and the pick voided, along with the trade being reversed. That is assuming the Commish would be agreeable to intervene and that this situation is somehow covered by the rules. Plus if several picks were made after this before the draft was stopped, you might have several angry owners who didn't get the player(s) they thought they had drafted.
I see nothing wrong with it but it should be sanctioned by the league and the terms of the deal publicly announced.
 
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It can be agreed on, but I don't see how it is enforceable. Once the pick is made the other trade partner would have to immediately demand that the draft be stopped and the pick voided, along with the trade being reversed. That is assuming the Commish would be agreeable to intervene and that this situation is somehow covered by the rules. Plus if several picks were made after this before the draft was stopped, you might have several angry owners who didn't get the player(s) they thought they had drafted.
I see nothing what with it but it should be sanctioned by the league and the terms of the deal publicly announced.
I think something like that should just be a gentleman's agreement. If you want to risk it I don't think the league should be responsible for enforcing it.
 
It can be agreed on, but I don't see how it is enforceable. Once the pick is made the other trade partner would have to immediately demand that the draft be stopped and the pick voided, along with the trade being reversed. That is assuming the Commish would be agreeable to intervene and that this situation is somehow covered by the rules. Plus if several picks were made after this before the draft was stopped, you might have several angry owners who didn't get the player(s) they thought they had drafted.
I see nothing wrong with it but it should be sanctioned by the league and the terms of the deal publicly announced.
I think something like that should just be a gentleman's agreement. If you want to risk it I don't think the league should be responsible for enforcing it.
It shouldn't be a risk - it's a term of the deal. Why cause anger and resentment in a league when it can easily be avoided?
 
It's been agreed and is public, considering guy that moved from 3 to 2 gave up Brees earlier it was really more of a gentlemans agreement.

I can understand the issue is there was a big gap between picks etc but Trich is going 1 and then it's these two. The guarantee was thrown in there as a 'for the record' statement.

On the subject though yes our league allows conditional trades, these must be explicitly stated and if they involve the potential for a different draft pick to be moved that can't be involved in another deal till the condition is met or expires.

Works well for getting more risky trades done to be honest.

 
This trade actually finalized that i made, didnt do the one i mentioned before,

10 team non-PPR

I gave: Larry Fitzgerald, Demarco Murray, Mike Williams

I got: Darren Mcfadden, Beanie Wells, Laurent Robinson, 1.6, 1.9, 3.4(24th overall) , 2013 first (probably somewhere 5-9), 2013 3rd

What do you think?

 
This trade actually finalized that i made, didnt do the one i mentioned before,10 team non-PPRI gave: Larry Fitzgerald, Demarco Murray, Mike WilliamsI got: Darren Mcfadden, Beanie Wells, Laurent Robinson, 1.6, 1.9, 3.4(24th overall) , 2013 first (probably somewhere 5-9), 2013 3rdWhat do you think?
So you were just posting the 1st "trade" to get advice? Don't like it.
 
This trade actually finalized that i made, didnt do the one i mentioned before,10 team non-PPRI gave: Larry Fitzgerald, Demarco Murray, Mike WilliamsI got: Darren Mcfadden, Beanie Wells, Laurent Robinson, 1.6, 1.9, 3.4(24th overall) , 2013 first (probably somewhere 5-9), 2013 3rdWhat do you think?
So you were just posting the 1st "trade" to get advice? Don't like it.
No the person verbally agreed to the first trade then backed out of it once it was actually proposed on the computer, so I talked to him more and we agreed on this
 
This trade actually finalized that i made, didnt do the one i mentioned before,10 team non-PPRI gave: Larry Fitzgerald, Demarco Murray, Mike WilliamsI got: Darren Mcfadden, Beanie Wells, Laurent Robinson, 1.6, 1.9, 3.4(24th overall) , 2013 first (probably somewhere 5-9), 2013 3rdWhat do you think?
I would rather have Fitz, Murray and Mike Williams
 

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