***2013 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[flapgreen]

So anyone that thinks Urlacher is in serious decline and not worth the money he wants only listens to the media and doesn't watch games? Alrighty.

If you think there's a better option for this defense than Urlacher at 2yrs 6 mil, tell me who it is. That's all I'm saying. Everyone knows he's in decline when compared to his HOF career. He's still better at running this defense than half the starters out there, even during the downside of his career. Playing MLB is about more than making tackles. He qb's the defense. Again, look at the stats with and without him last year. They aren't close. The whole " he missed a lot tackles last year so he sucks" stance is ridiculous. It's a huge loss for the defense. I can't believe you guys think the defense won't miss a beat without him. He wasn't demanding huge money, just not a slap in the face.

Still waiting for one name for who is our starting MLB week 1.

I can assure you there will be one. I seem to remember you being Mr. Doom and Gloom when Trestman was hired. Then you did a quick 180 after free agency opened up. Why not take a deep breath and not overreact to everything immediately?

This the best you got?

 

[Limp Ditka]

So who is our starting MLB week 1? A rookie?

Probably the same guy that would have been starting in week 3 when LACH went down with a season ender.

 

[Christo]

Tough day yesterday, Urlacher no longer a Bear and the Blackhawks fumble away an opportunity to make a statement. I hate to see Brian go, but if he wanted to be a Bear he could have been. Sure, the money might have been insulting in his eyes, but that's the nature of the NFL beast. I've enjoyed watching Brian bring it on the field for over a decade, but nothing lasts forever. Good luck #54 wherever you go.

All emotion aside, which is obviously hard to do, the defense will take a big step back next year, when it didn't have to do so. There is no one close to 3-4 mil with Urlacher's leadership abilities and knowledge of the game. This is very upsetting. I couldn't be happier with the moves the team has made on offense this offseason, but I feel they are underestimating the importance of the defense and even more so the importance of good leadership.. With our current defense, we have zero chance of competing with teams like the 49ers.

They have zero chance of competing with the 49ers with Urlacher.

 

[Christo]

So anyone that thinks Urlacher is in serious decline and not worth the money he wants only listens to the media and doesn't watch games? Alrighty.

If you think there's a better option for this defense than Urlacher at 2yrs 6 mil, tell me who it is. That's all I'm saying. Everyone knows he's in decline when compared to his HOF career. He's still better at running this defense than half the starters out there, even during the downside of his career. Playing MLB is about more than making tackles. He qb's the defense. Again, look at the stats with and without him last year. They aren't close. The whole " he missed a lot tackles last year so he sucks" stance is ridiculous. It's a huge loss for the defense. I can't believe you guys think the defense won't miss a beat without him. He wasn't demanding huge money, just not a slap in the face.

Still waiting for one name for who is our starting MLB week 1.

I can assure you there will be one. I seem to remember you being Mr. Doom and Gloom when Trestman was hired. Then you did a quick 180 after free agency opened up. Why not take a deep breath and not overreact to everything immediately?

This the best you got?

It applies to you too.

 

[KCitons]

It still amazes me how many people want everything and they want it now. "Fix the OL", "We need a pass catching TE", "We need a real #1 WR", "If we had a decent backup QB, we could have gone farther"

With the salary cap structure in the NFL, you have to rob Peter to pay Paul. It just seems irrational for fan to expect everything.

As some people have already mentioned, Emery has done a pretty good job since being hired. I trust what he has done so far, including the hiring of Trestman. If they believe the best move is to proceed without Urlacher, then I have to trust that decision.

Most Urlacher defenders want him to stay because of his leadership. But, whether it's one more year or three more years, Urlacher will leave eventually and a new leader will need to step up. If not now, when?

 

[flapgreen]

It still amazes me how many people want everything and they want it now. "Fix the OL", "We need a pass catching TE", "We need a real #1 WR", "If we had a decent backup QB, we could have gone farther"With the salary cap structure in the NFL, you have to rob Peter to pay Paul. It just seems irrational for fan to expect everything.As some people have already mentioned, Emery has done a pretty good job since being hired. I trust what he has done so far, including the hiring of Trestman. If they believe the best move is to proceed without Urlacher, then I have to trust that decision.Most Urlacher defenders want him to stay because of his leadership. But, whether it's one more year or three more years, Urlacher will leave eventually and a new leader will need to step up. If not now, when?

Those are all fair points.

 

[flapgreen]

Rodriguez arrested. What's up with these guys this season?

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I think the biggest need for the Chicago OL in 2013 is center. Garza isn't quick enough to get off of double teams and/or reach the second level. He gets stalemated by Raji/Williams/Suh/Fairley and it messes up the run/pass game. If Chicago wants to address the Center position in round two that's fine.

My dream scenario is Chicago obtaining at least one starting OL and two more for to compete in Free Agency, along with a TE. With Austin/Mathieu in round one and two, then OL/LB/etc.

For those that aren't educated on these players

Tavon Austin:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdxtZn9Z-Jc

Starting OL= checkStarting TE= check

List of things to do:

-Sign Brandon Moore, so at least one of the OG positions is solid in 2013.

-Sign one vet LB: Daryl Smith, Justin Durant, Karlos Dansby

-Possibly sign Antoine Winfield to be out slot CB(they ignore my round 4 ideas)

Draft

1st round:

1) Draft Jonathan Cooper G UNC if available

-Why? Because we have a huge need at Guard. Cooper has elite feet and will be a good player for years.

2) Trade down

-Why? Too many needs.

3) Draft Tavon Austin WR WVU

-Why? Austin is too big of a playmaker to ignore. He will be our returner/slot guy/can go deep/reverses. But most of all, take attention away from Marshall.

4) Draft Keenan Allen WR Cal

Why? He played in the slot some at Cal and he could do that in Chicago. I can't put my finger on if Emery likes short or tall guys. Right now i'm leaning tall=traded for Marshall(6-4), drafted Jeffery(6-3), Signed Martellus Bennett(6-6). Allen(6-3) has great feet for his size and he can create mismatch problems on the inside just like Marquess Colston with the Saints.

2nd round:

1) Draft Arthur Brown LB Kansas State

-Why? Brown has good speed, is all over the place, and good in coverage. In today's NFL if a LB can't cover, why have him(see Ray Lewis in the super bowl, Urlacher lately, and other LBs who are slow now).

2) Draft Barrett Jones C Alabama

-Why? Because he's versatile...will he be available. Who knows.

3) Draft Travis Frederick C Wisconsin

-Why? Roberto Garza isn't getting it done, despite his leadership skills.

4) Draft Kevin Minter MLB LSU

-Why? He's a solid all around player, but not super athletic.

4th round:

1) Tyrann Mathieu CB LSU

-Why? Because he will be an elite slot CB in the NFL and he makes plays.

 

[KCitons]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

 

[Statcruncher]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Quizzed by the Chicago Sun Times, 12-of-13 NFL executives agreed the Bears' one-year, $2 million offer to free agent Brian Urlacher was fair.It was more than fair. "He’s an aging guy who can’t run," said one NFC personnel exec. "Bold move — and the right move — by [bears GM Phil] Emery. Better to get rid of a player a year too early than a year too late." Another GM suggested the Bears "could have offered nothing." The one executive who disagreed believes the Bears should have offered up to $3 million because clubs "generally pay a premium to keep a beloved, homegrown player happy." The Urlacher camp's final offer was a one-year, $3.5 million deal. They may have rejected that, anyway.

For anyone that's still hung up on this....He's done. Bears did the right thing. Deal.

 

[flapgreen]

Quizzed by the Chicago Sun Times, 12-of-13 NFL executives agreed the Bears' one-year, $2 million offer to free agent Brian Urlacher was fair.It was more than fair. "He’s an aging guy who can’t run," said one NFC personnel exec. "Bold move — and the right move — by [bears GM Phil] Emery. Better to get rid of a player a year too early than a year too late." Another GM suggested the Bears "could have offered nothing." The one executive who disagreed believes the Bears should have offered up to $3 million because clubs "generally pay a premium to keep a beloved, homegrown player happy." The Urlacher camp's final offer was a one-year, $3.5 million deal. They may have rejected that, anyway.

For anyone that's still hung up on this....He's done. Bears did the right thing. Deal.

Good analysis.

 

[flapgreen]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

 

[Christo]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Which fans are turning on Urlacher?

 

[KCitons]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Whoa, I'm not turning on Urlacher. I wish him only the best. But, I was a Bears fan long before I was an Urlacher fan. And, I will be one long after he is gone. There are times when a fan needs to side with a player or the organization. This time, I side with the organization.

 

[RBM]

I will hold off until I see his replacement. If its a downgrade for 3 million it will be more proof that the pieces are not in place to be a winning organization, nothing new for us.

 

[KCitons]

I'm hoping Arthur Brown, but I'm scared to death it could be Manti Teo.

Talk about going from a team leader to a team joke.

 

[RBM]

DJ Williams huh.

 

[Statcruncher]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn't know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn't sure if he'll get more than the Bears' one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Which fans in here turned on Urlacher? Here's what I posted

Tough day yesterday, Urlacher no longer a Bear and the Blackhawks fumble away an opportunity to make a statement. I hate to see Brian go, but if he wanted to be a Bear he could have been. Sure, the money might have been insulting in his eyes, but that's the nature of the NFL beast. I've enjoyed watching Brian bring it on the field for over a decade, but nothing lasts forever. Good luck #54 wherever you go.

I have no beef with Urlacher feeling snubbed by the Bears' offer, in fact I wished him well wherever he winds up. The only thing I've criticized is his logic that a 2 million dollar contract from the Bears is an insult yet he would be willing to play for another team for 2 million. There is no way to classify that other than emotional and dumb. Regardless, even that bit of childish tantrum from #54 doesn't diminish the respect I have for what he brought to the Chicago Bears.

 

[Statcruncher]

DJ Williams huh.

Nice signing. A one year deal for him to re-establish himself after squandering his opportunities. Sounds like he's capable of playing anywhere at LB. I'm not going to say the hole Urlacher left is filled, but it's not gaping anymore and the Bears still might go LB in the draft if that's the BPA.

 

[RBM]

Williams was a major talent when he came out of Miami. He never played up to his lofty status. Last thing I remember about him is lots of suspension issues.

 

[KCitons]

Dickerson reporting a $900k salary with a max of $1.75 million. I think it's a good signing. Fits into what they are trying to do.

A little concerned about Williams' standing with the league, but hopefully he learned from last years suspension and can make it through 16 games this season.

 

[The Tick]

DJ Williams huh.

Nice signing. A one year deal for him to re-establish himself after squandering his opportunities. Sounds like he's capable of playing anywhere at LB. I'm not going to say the hole Urlacher left is filled, but it's not gaping anymore and the Bears still might go LB in the draft if that's the BPA.

What's the history on DJ Williams? Know his name, but not much else about him. High round pick? What happened to him in Denver?And it looks like RBM and KCitons has already added most of this.

 

[KCitons]

1st round pick by the Broncos. (#17 overall) Never has lived up to expectations. Maybe a change of scenery will help.

 

[KCitons]

One last thing to say about Urlacher. I just read an article on ESPNChicago.com. where Urlacher said that he would play for any team. Even the Green Bay Packers. With that said, I reserve the right to hate anyone that plays for the Packers. Just sayin'

 

[gdg76]

One last thing to say about Urlacher. I just read an article on ESPNChicago.com. where Urlacher said that he would play for any team. Even the Green Bay Packers. With that said, I reserve the right to hate anyone that plays for the Packers. Just sayin'

I don't care if Urlacher plays for the Pack. It would make sense since at this point with a new coach/GM on the job for a year, the Bears are most likely in a transition year (defense last year was overrated, feast or famine based on turnovers). GB would be a good place to go for a ring since they aren't turning over much.I said it earlier - Bears fans shouldn't have hard feelings towards Urlacher. He was great for the team and the anchor to some awesome defenses. But for Urlacher to go out and talk about "insulting offers" and a "slap in the face" and how he wanted to play it out in Chicago, well it just doesn't ring true. He's doing it for money or a better chance to get a ring - and that's fine but he should just call it what it is (or shut up about it and move on silently). I've seen some of that attitude in his quotes, so this may just be the media blowing it up. Still love Urlacher and will proudly wear my 54 jersey for a long time to come.

 

[KCitons]

One last thing to say about Urlacher. I just read an article on ESPNChicago.com. where Urlacher said that he would play for any team. Even the Green Bay Packers. With that said, I reserve the right to hate anyone that plays for the Packers. Just sayin'

I don't care if Urlacher plays for the Pack. It would make sense since at this point with a new coach/GM on the job for a year, the Bears are most likely in a transition year (defense last year was overrated, feast or famine based on turnovers). GB would be a good place to go for a ring since they aren't turning over much.I said it earlier - Bears fans shouldn't have hard feelings towards Urlacher. He was great for the team and the anchor to some awesome defenses. But for Urlacher to go out and talk about "insulting offers" and a "slap in the face" and how he wanted to play it out in Chicago, well it just doesn't ring true. He's doing it for money or a better chance to get a ring - and that's fine but he should just call it what it is (or shut up about it and move on silently). I've seen some of that attitude in his quotes, so this may just be the media blowing it up. Still love Urlacher and will proudly wear my 54 jersey for a long time to come.

Nope. Must hate all Packers.

 

[ditka85]

Williams had 2 DUIs and a PED suspension. Sure hope he walks the straight and narrow this year.

 

[The Tick]

One last thing to say about Urlacher. I just read an article on ESPNChicago.com. where Urlacher said that he would play for any team. Even the Green Bay Packers. With that said, I reserve the right to hate anyone that plays for the Packers. Just sayin'

I don't care if Urlacher plays for the Pack. It would make sense since at this point with a new coach/GM on the job for a year, the Bears are most likely in a transition year (defense last year was overrated, feast or famine based on turnovers). GB would be a good place to go for a ring since they aren't turning over much.I said it earlier - Bears fans shouldn't have hard feelings towards Urlacher. He was great for the team and the anchor to some awesome defenses. But for Urlacher to go out and talk about "insulting offers" and a "slap in the face" and how he wanted to play it out in Chicago, well it just doesn't ring true. He's doing it for money or a better chance to get a ring - and that's fine but he should just call it what it is (or shut up about it and move on silently). I've seen some of that attitude in his quotes, so this may just be the media blowing it up. Still love Urlacher and will proudly wear my 54 jersey for a long time to come.

Nope. Must hate all Packers.

That came right out of the Dan Patrick interview this morning. I heard some of it replayed on the score, and I thought it was a pretty good interview. He wasn't bitter against the bears, maybe took a few little shots, but overall, i thought it was a good interview. Dan asked him if he would relish the chance to play against the bears two times a year, and tried to get Urlacher to say that he wanted to get revenge, but he wouldn't do it. He was very level and said he loved the guys on this team, well the defense at least, and has no revenge he wanted to take out on the team. Dan was mainly talking about Minn, but then asked, well what about Green Bay. Urlacher danced around it a little bit saying how Ted Thompson doesn't get FA's outside of Woodson, and they draft their talent (that one sounded like a little bit of a dig at the bears, though maybe not intentional, however accurate it may be), but said if the right offer was there, he could go up there and play for them.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

One last thing to say about Urlacher. I just read an article on ESPNChicago.com. where Urlacher said that he would play for any team. Even the Green Bay Packers. With that said, I reserve the right to hate anyone that plays for the Packers. Just sayin'

I don't care if Urlacher plays for the Pack. It would make sense since at this point with a new coach/GM on the job for a year, the Bears are most likely in a transition year (defense last year was overrated, feast or famine based on turnovers). GB would be a good place to go for a ring since they aren't turning over much.I said it earlier - Bears fans shouldn't have hard feelings towards Urlacher. He was great for the team and the anchor to some awesome defenses. But for Urlacher to go out and talk about "insulting offers" and a "slap in the face" and how he wanted to play it out in Chicago, well it just doesn't ring true. He's doing it for money or a better chance to get a ring - and that's fine but he should just call it what it is (or shut up about it and move on silently). I've seen some of that attitude in his quotes, so this may just be the media blowing it up. Still love Urlacher and will proudly wear my 54 jersey for a long time to come.

Nope. Must hate all Packers.

That came right out of the Dan Patrick interview this morning. I heard some of it replayed on the score, and I thought it was a pretty good interview. He wasn't bitter against the bears, maybe took a few little shots, but overall, i thought it was a good interview. Dan asked him if he would relish the chance to play against the bears two times a year, and tried to get Urlacher to say that he wanted to get revenge, but he wouldn't do it. He was very level and said he loved the guys on this team, well the defense at least, and has no revenge he wanted to take out on the team. Dan was mainly talking about Minn, but then asked, well what about Green Bay. Urlacher danced around it a little bit saying how Ted Thompson doesn't get FA's outside of Woodson, and they draft their talent (that one sounded like a little bit of a dig at the bears, though maybe not intentional, however accurate it may be), but said if the right offer was there, he could go up there and play for them.

The Packers are weak at ILB, but I doubt Urlacher would be better than 4th or so on the depth chart, barring a miraculous recovery. He can't move anymore and has never been a big hitter. I think he's done.

 

[The Tick]

One last thing to say about Urlacher. I just read an article on ESPNChicago.com. where Urlacher said that he would play for any team. Even the Green Bay Packers. With that said, I reserve the right to hate anyone that plays for the Packers. Just sayin'

I don't care if Urlacher plays for the Pack. It would make sense since at this point with a new coach/GM on the job for a year, the Bears are most likely in a transition year (defense last year was overrated, feast or famine based on turnovers). GB would be a good place to go for a ring since they aren't turning over much.I said it earlier - Bears fans shouldn't have hard feelings towards Urlacher. He was great for the team and the anchor to some awesome defenses. But for Urlacher to go out and talk about "insulting offers" and a "slap in the face" and how he wanted to play it out in Chicago, well it just doesn't ring true. He's doing it for money or a better chance to get a ring - and that's fine but he should just call it what it is (or shut up about it and move on silently). I've seen some of that attitude in his quotes, so this may just be the media blowing it up. Still love Urlacher and will proudly wear my 54 jersey for a long time to come.

Nope. Must hate all Packers.

That came right out of the Dan Patrick interview this morning. I heard some of it replayed on the score, and I thought it was a pretty good interview. He wasn't bitter against the bears, maybe took a few little shots, but overall, i thought it was a good interview. Dan asked him if he would relish the chance to play against the bears two times a year, and tried to get Urlacher to say that he wanted to get revenge, but he wouldn't do it. He was very level and said he loved the guys on this team, well the defense at least, and has no revenge he wanted to take out on the team. Dan was mainly talking about Minn, but then asked, well what about Green Bay. Urlacher danced around it a little bit saying how Ted Thompson doesn't get FA's outside of Woodson, and they draft their talent (that one sounded like a little bit of a dig at the bears, though maybe not intentional, however accurate it may be), but said if the right offer was there, he could go up there and play for them.

The Packers are weak at ILB, but I doubt Urlacher would be better than 4th or so on the depth chart, barring a miraculous recovery. He can't move anymore and has never been a big hitter. I think he's done.

Oh, i'm not saying it would happen AT ALL. I'm just talking about how the media is trying to create more anamosity then I think there really is. I think Dan was trying to get Urlacher to say yeah he'd like to go to the packers and beat the heck out of the Bears to get some great ESPN headlines, but it just wasn't working.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Quizzed by the Chicago Sun Times, 12-of-13 NFL executives agreed the Bears' one-year, $2 million offer to free agent Brian Urlacher was fair.It was more than fair. "He’s an aging guy who can’t run," said one NFC personnel exec. "Bold move — and the right move — by [bears GM Phil] Emery. Better to get rid of a player a year too early than a year too late." Another GM suggested the Bears "could have offered nothing." The one executive who disagreed believes the Bears should have offered up to $3 million because clubs "generally pay a premium to keep a beloved, homegrown player happy." The Urlacher camp's final offer was a one-year, $3.5 million deal. They may have rejected that, anyway.

For anyone that's still hung up on this....He's done. Bears did the right thing. Deal.

Good analysis.

I know... because your insight is always so meticulously detailed and so well thought out.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

One last thing to say about Urlacher. I just read an article on ESPNChicago.com. where Urlacher said that he would play for any team. Even the Green Bay Packers. With that said, I reserve the right to hate anyone that plays for the Packers. Just sayin'

I don't care if Urlacher plays for the Pack. It would make sense since at this point with a new coach/GM on the job for a year, the Bears are most likely in a transition year (defense last year was overrated, feast or famine based on turnovers). GB would be a good place to go for a ring since they aren't turning over much.I said it earlier - Bears fans shouldn't have hard feelings towards Urlacher. He was great for the team and the anchor to some awesome defenses. But for Urlacher to go out and talk about "insulting offers" and a "slap in the face" and how he wanted to play it out in Chicago, well it just doesn't ring true. He's doing it for money or a better chance to get a ring - and that's fine but he should just call it what it is (or shut up about it and move on silently). I've seen some of that attitude in his quotes, so this may just be the media blowing it up. Still love Urlacher and will proudly wear my 54 jersey for a long time to come.

Nope. Must hate all Packers.

That came right out of the Dan Patrick interview this morning. I heard some of it replayed on the score, and I thought it was a pretty good interview. He wasn't bitter against the bears, maybe took a few little shots, but overall, i thought it was a good interview. Dan asked him if he would relish the chance to play against the bears two times a year, and tried to get Urlacher to say that he wanted to get revenge, but he wouldn't do it. He was very level and said he loved the guys on this team, well the defense at least, and has no revenge he wanted to take out on the team. Dan was mainly talking about Minn, but then asked, well what about Green Bay. Urlacher danced around it a little bit saying how Ted Thompson doesn't get FA's outside of Woodson, and they draft their talent (that one sounded like a little bit of a dig at the bears, though maybe not intentional, however accurate it may be), but said if the right offer was there, he could go up there and play for them.

The Packers are weak at ILB, but I doubt Urlacher would be better than 4th or so on the depth chart, barring a miraculous recovery. He can't move anymore and has never been a big hitter. I think he's done.

Oh, i'm not saying it would happen AT ALL. I'm just talking about how the media is trying to create more anamosity then I think there really is. I think Dan was trying to get Urlacher to say yeah he'd like to go to the packers and beat the heck out of the Bears to get some great ESPN headlines, but it just wasn't working.

Yeah, it's crazy season for the football media. Andrew Brandt (who I normally like) was pushing the Urlacher / Bears - - Favre / Packers comparisons earlier today. I get it, but they are completely different situations any issues they want to discuss are purely media manufactured issues.

 

[KCitons]

Is it me, or does it seem like Urlacher has been all over the media the past few days? I know there is a story there, but Urlacher hasn't been turning down any interviews either.

 

[3nOut]

Just saw this on Rotoworld...

Quizzed by the Chicago Sun Times, 12-of-13 NFL executives agreed the Bears' one-year, $2 million offer to free agent Brian Urlacher was fair.It was more than fair. "He’s an aging guy who can’t run," said one NFC personnel exec. "Bold move — and the right move — by [bears GM Phil] Emery. Better to get rid of a player a year too early than a year too late." Another GM suggested the Bears "could have offered nothing." The one executive who disagreed believes the Bears should have offered up to $3 million because clubs "generally pay a premium to keep a beloved, homegrown player happy." The Urlacher camp's final offer was a one-year, $3.5 million deal. They may have rejected that, anyway.

 

[flapgreen]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Whoa, I'm not turning on Urlacher. I wish him only the best. But, I was a Bears fan long before I was an Urlacher fan. And, I will be one long after he is gone. There are times when a fan needs to side with a player or the organization. This time, I side with the organization.

Didn't mean it that way. Sorry. Meant it in the context that fans are saying he could be back if he wanted to be. There's more to it than that line of thinking alone. Let someone ask you to take a 75% paycut and do the same job.

 

[Christo]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Whoa, I'm not turning on Urlacher. I wish him only the best. But, I was a Bears fan long before I was an Urlacher fan. And, I will be one long after he is gone. There are times when a fan needs to side with a player or the organization. This time, I side with the organization.

Didn't mean it that way. Sorry. Meant it in the context that fans are saying he could be back if he wanted to be. There's more to it than that line of thinking alone. Let someone ask you to take a 75% paycut and do the same job.

He's not an accountant, he's a football player. He's not performing at the same level as he was in his prime. He only has so much time left to play. And he only has so many options football-wise. Apparently, $2MM is his market value. If he doesn't want to take the pay cut, he doesn't have to take it. But he could still be a Bear and earn more in one year than most people earn in a life time. Recognizing that isn't turning on him. That's the reality of the situation.If a company had an accountant whose skills dropped off in a similar way, he wouldn't get a 75% pay cut he'd be fired.

 

[RBM]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Whoa, I'm not turning on Urlacher. I wish him only the best. But, I was a Bears fan long before I was an Urlacher fan. And, I will be one long after he is gone. There are times when a fan needs to side with a player or the organization. This time, I side with the organization.

Didn't mean it that way. Sorry. Meant it in the context that fans are saying he could be back if he wanted to be. There's more to it than that line of thinking alone. Let someone ask you to take a 75% paycut and do the same job.

He's not an accountant, he's a football player. He's not performing at the same level as he was in his prime. He only has so much time left to play. And he only has so many options football-wise. Apparently, $2MM is his market value. If he doesn't want to take the pay cut, he doesn't have to take it. But he could still be a Bear and earn more in one year than most people earn in a life time. Recognizing that isn't turning on him. That's the reality of the situation.If a company had an accountant whose skills dropped off in a similar way, he wouldn't get a 75% pay cut he'd be fired.

And you're not the capologist or guy writing the checks so what the hell do you care if they give 2 or 3 million to a guy that has meant a ton to this franchise, and is still the leader of a pretty good D.

 

[KCitons]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Whoa, I'm not turning on Urlacher. I wish him only the best. But, I was a Bears fan long before I was an Urlacher fan. And, I will be one long after he is gone. There are times when a fan needs to side with a player or the organization. This time, I side with the organization.

Didn't mean it that way. Sorry. Meant it in the context that fans are saying he could be back if he wanted to be. There's more to it than that line of thinking alone. Let someone ask you to take a 75% paycut and do the same job.

I can see your point on taking a 75% pay cut. That would suck for anyone, in any job. The biggest difference with the NFL (or any sport) is that you have to know that every player's career comes to an end eventually. Players have been put on a pedestal for so long, once the end is near it's impossible for them to believe.Depending on the job I was performing, I would hope to have some hint of a pay cut coming. If I am in sales and drop from the 75 percentile to the 25 percentile for my sales team, I would expect something to happen. Usually people don't get an opportunity to take a pay cut, most companies fire ineffective employees. (which is basically what the Bears did to Urlacher)

 

[Christo]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Whoa, I'm not turning on Urlacher. I wish him only the best. But, I was a Bears fan long before I was an Urlacher fan. And, I will be one long after he is gone. There are times when a fan needs to side with a player or the organization. This time, I side with the organization.

Didn't mean it that way. Sorry. Meant it in the context that fans are saying he could be back if he wanted to be. There's more to it than that line of thinking alone. Let someone ask you to take a 75% paycut and do the same job.

He's not an accountant, he's a football player. He's not performing at the same level as he was in his prime. He only has so much time left to play. And he only has so many options football-wise. Apparently, $2MM is his market value. If he doesn't want to take the pay cut, he doesn't have to take it. But he could still be a Bear and earn more in one year than most people earn in a life time. Recognizing that isn't turning on him. That's the reality of the situation.If a company had an accountant whose skills dropped off in a similar way, he wouldn't get a 75% pay cut he'd be fired.

And you're not the capologist or guy writing the checks so what the hell do you care if they give 2 or 3 million to a guy that has meant a ton to this franchise, and is still the leader of a pretty good D.

What does that have to do with what I said?

 

[flapgreen]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Whoa, I'm not turning on Urlacher. I wish him only the best. But, I was a Bears fan long before I was an Urlacher fan. And, I will be one long after he is gone. There are times when a fan needs to side with a player or the organization. This time, I side with the organization.

Didn't mean it that way. Sorry. Meant it in the context that fans are saying he could be back if he wanted to be. There's more to it than that line of thinking alone. Let someone ask you to take a 75% paycut and do the same job.

I can see your point on taking a 75% pay cut. That would suck for anyone, in any job. The biggest difference with the NFL (or any sport) is that you have to know that every player's career comes to an end eventually. Players have been put on a pedestal for so long, once the end is near it's impossible for them to believe.Depending on the job I was performing, I would hope to have some hint of a pay cut coming. If I am in sales and drop from the 75 percentile to the 25 percentile for my sales team, I would expect something to happen. Usually people don't get an opportunity to take a pay cut, most companies fire ineffective employees. (which is basically what the Bears did to Urlacher)

Last I checked, this was one of the best defenses in the league last year and was much better when he was on the field. I think everyone is grossly underestimating what he means to this defense. Guy tears up his knee. Has no offseason to rehab or participate in training camp, then he has a poor season, so he sucks. Most don't seem to pay attention to detail, just "he sucks and he's lucky to get an offer at all because he's washed up."Time will tell during the next season. Of course, if the defense faulters, it will be deflected like it had nothing to do with losing Urlacher.

 

[flapgreen]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Whoa, I'm not turning on Urlacher. I wish him only the best. But, I was a Bears fan long before I was an Urlacher fan. And, I will be one long after he is gone. There are times when a fan needs to side with a player or the organization. This time, I side with the organization.

Didn't mean it that way. Sorry. Meant it in the context that fans are saying he could be back if he wanted to be. There's more to it than that line of thinking alone. Let someone ask you to take a 75% paycut and do the same job.

He's not an accountant, he's a football player. He's not performing at the same level as he was in his prime. He only has so much time left to play. And he only has so many options football-wise. Apparently, $2MM is his market value. If he doesn't want to take the pay cut, he doesn't have to take it. But he could still be a Bear and earn more in one year than most people earn in a life time. Recognizing that isn't turning on him. That's the reality of the situation.If a company had an accountant whose skills dropped off in a similar way, he wouldn't get a 75% pay cut he'd be fired.

Are you really serious with this? Top 5 defense and he calls all of the plays and his skills have dropped 75%? You are the one not seeing the "reality of the situation." You must think his only job is making tackles. And leave out the nonsense about how he makes more money than most people make in a lifetime. That has nothing to do with this and is always a pointless argument.

 

[Christo]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Whoa, I'm not turning on Urlacher. I wish him only the best. But, I was a Bears fan long before I was an Urlacher fan. And, I will be one long after he is gone. There are times when a fan needs to side with a player or the organization. This time, I side with the organization.

Didn't mean it that way. Sorry. Meant it in the context that fans are saying he could be back if he wanted to be. There's more to it than that line of thinking alone. Let someone ask you to take a 75% paycut and do the same job.

He's not an accountant, he's a football player. He's not performing at the same level as he was in his prime. He only has so much time left to play. And he only has so many options football-wise. Apparently, $2MM is his market value. If he doesn't want to take the pay cut, he doesn't have to take it. But he could still be a Bear and earn more in one year than most people earn in a life time. Recognizing that isn't turning on him. That's the reality of the situation.If a company had an accountant whose skills dropped off in a similar way, he wouldn't get a 75% pay cut he'd be fired.

Are you really serious with this? Top 5 defense and he calls all of the plays and his skills have dropped 75%? You are the one not seeing the "reality of the situation." You must think his only job is making tackles. And leave out the nonsense about how he makes more money than most people make in a lifetime. That has nothing to do with this and is always a pointless argument.

I didn't bring up other people. You were the one who said "Let someone ask you to take a 75% pay cut and do the same job." If you don't like the comparison shut your mouth. And it's already been posted that 12 of 13 NFL execs asked by the Sun Times agree that the Bears' offer was fair. So it is the reality of the situation.

You're a joke.

 

[KCitons]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Whoa, I'm not turning on Urlacher. I wish him only the best. But, I was a Bears fan long before I was an Urlacher fan. And, I will be one long after he is gone. There are times when a fan needs to side with a player or the organization. This time, I side with the organization.

Didn't mean it that way. Sorry. Meant it in the context that fans are saying he could be back if he wanted to be. There's more to it than that line of thinking alone. Let someone ask you to take a 75% paycut and do the same job.

I can see your point on taking a 75% pay cut. That would suck for anyone, in any job. The biggest difference with the NFL (or any sport) is that you have to know that every player's career comes to an end eventually. Players have been put on a pedestal for so long, once the end is near it's impossible for them to believe.Depending on the job I was performing, I would hope to have some hint of a pay cut coming. If I am in sales and drop from the 75 percentile to the 25 percentile for my sales team, I would expect something to happen. Usually people don't get an opportunity to take a pay cut, most companies fire ineffective employees. (which is basically what the Bears did to Urlacher)

Last I checked, this was one of the best defenses in the league last year and was much better when he was on the field. I think everyone is grossly underestimating what he means to this defense. Guy tears up his knee. Has no offseason to rehab or participate in training camp, then he has a poor season, so he sucks. Most don't seem to pay attention to detail, just "he sucks and he's lucky to get an offer at all because he's washed up."Time will tell during the next season. Of course, if the defense faulters, it will be deflected like it had nothing to do with losing Urlacher.

If anyone knows the status of Urlacher's knee, its the Bears medical staff. If I remember correctly, didn't Urlacher himself say that his knee would never be 100% ever again?

 

[flapgreen]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Whoa, I'm not turning on Urlacher. I wish him only the best. But, I was a Bears fan long before I was an Urlacher fan. And, I will be one long after he is gone. There are times when a fan needs to side with a player or the organization. This time, I side with the organization.

Didn't mean it that way. Sorry. Meant it in the context that fans are saying he could be back if he wanted to be. There's more to it than that line of thinking alone. Let someone ask you to take a 75% paycut and do the same job.

I can see your point on taking a 75% pay cut. That would suck for anyone, in any job. The biggest difference with the NFL (or any sport) is that you have to know that every player's career comes to an end eventually. Players have been put on a pedestal for so long, once the end is near it's impossible for them to believe.Depending on the job I was performing, I would hope to have some hint of a pay cut coming. If I am in sales and drop from the 75 percentile to the 25 percentile for my sales team, I would expect something to happen. Usually people don't get an opportunity to take a pay cut, most companies fire ineffective employees. (which is basically what the Bears did to Urlacher)

Last I checked, this was one of the best defenses in the league last year and was much better when he was on the field. I think everyone is grossly underestimating what he means to this defense. Guy tears up his knee. Has no offseason to rehab or participate in training camp, then he has a poor season, so he sucks. Most don't seem to pay attention to detail, just "he sucks and he's lucky to get an offer at all because he's washed up."Time will tell during the next season. Of course, if the defense faulters, it will be deflected like it had nothing to do with losing Urlacher.

If anyone knows the status of Urlacher's knee, its the Bears medical staff. If I remember correctly, didn't Urlacher himself say that his knee would never be 100% ever again?

And Urlacher himself. He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who will draw out his career and wither away, but that's just my opinion. He said it wasn't 100% last year and he still lead the defense to top 5 status, with very little rehab on the knee, practically no conditioning for football season. Let's leave it at this. I, obviously, think he was treated disrespectfully and the defense would be better at least this year compared to anyone else they will get. Some think he's washed up and done and was treated like he was supposed to be treated. I'm ready to move on from this if we have it all out there.

 

[flapgreen]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Whoa, I'm not turning on Urlacher. I wish him only the best. But, I was a Bears fan long before I was an Urlacher fan. And, I will be one long after he is gone. There are times when a fan needs to side with a player or the organization. This time, I side with the organization.

Didn't mean it that way. Sorry. Meant it in the context that fans are saying he could be back if he wanted to be. There's more to it than that line of thinking alone. Let someone ask you to take a 75% paycut and do the same job.

He's not an accountant, he's a football player. He's not performing at the same level as he was in his prime. He only has so much time left to play. And he only has so many options football-wise. Apparently, $2MM is his market value. If he doesn't want to take the pay cut, he doesn't have to take it. But he could still be a Bear and earn more in one year than most people earn in a life time. Recognizing that isn't turning on him. That's the reality of the situation.If a company had an accountant whose skills dropped off in a similar way, he wouldn't get a 75% pay cut he'd be fired.

Are you really serious with this? Top 5 defense and he calls all of the plays and his skills have dropped 75%? You are the one not seeing the "reality of the situation." You must think his only job is making tackles. And leave out the nonsense about how he makes more money than most people make in a lifetime. That has nothing to do with this and is always a pointless argument.

I didn't bring up other people. You were the one who said "Let someone ask you to take a 75% pay cut and do the same job." If you don't like the comparison shut your mouth. And it's already been posted that 12 of 13 NFL execs asked by the Sun Times agree that the Bears' offer was fair. So it is the reality of the situation.

You're a joke.

Can you come up with a thought of your own instead of "12 of 13 NFL said so, or he missed a bunch of tackles and he's a liability"? His value to the Bears is not the same as it would be for him going to another team, smart guy. I've suggested it, but don't bother looking at how the defense has played with him on the field the last 2 years. It's only facts. Just keep pushing the "he sucks" line.

 

[RBM]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Whoa, I'm not turning on Urlacher. I wish him only the best. But, I was a Bears fan long before I was an Urlacher fan. And, I will be one long after he is gone. There are times when a fan needs to side with a player or the organization. This time, I side with the organization.

Didn't mean it that way. Sorry. Meant it in the context that fans are saying he could be back if he wanted to be. There's more to it than that line of thinking alone. Let someone ask you to take a 75% paycut and do the same job.

He's not an accountant, he's a football player. He's not performing at the same level as he was in his prime. He only has so much time left to play. And he only has so many options football-wise. Apparently, $2MM is his market value. If he doesn't want to take the pay cut, he doesn't have to take it. But he could still be a Bear and earn more in one year than most people earn in a life time. Recognizing that isn't turning on him. That's the reality of the situation.If a company had an accountant whose skills dropped off in a similar way, he wouldn't get a 75% pay cut he'd be fired.

And you're not the capologist or guy writing the checks so what the hell do you care if they give 2 or 3 million to a guy that has meant a ton to this franchise, and is still the leader of a pretty good D.

What does that have to do with what I said?

It applies to the general thought that some fans (including you) are coming off as cold in supporting the take it or leave it approach.

 

[RBM]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Whoa, I'm not turning on Urlacher. I wish him only the best. But, I was a Bears fan long before I was an Urlacher fan. And, I will be one long after he is gone. There are times when a fan needs to side with a player or the organization. This time, I side with the organization.

Didn't mean it that way. Sorry. Meant it in the context that fans are saying he could be back if he wanted to be. There's more to it than that line of thinking alone. Let someone ask you to take a 75% paycut and do the same job.

He's not an accountant, he's a football player. He's not performing at the same level as he was in his prime. He only has so much time left to play. And he only has so many options football-wise. Apparently, $2MM is his market value. If he doesn't want to take the pay cut, he doesn't have to take it. But he could still be a Bear and earn more in one year than most people earn in a life time. Recognizing that isn't turning on him. That's the reality of the situation.If a company had an accountant whose skills dropped off in a similar way, he wouldn't get a 75% pay cut he'd be fired.

Are you really serious with this? Top 5 defense and he calls all of the plays and his skills have dropped 75%? You are the one not seeing the "reality of the situation." You must think his only job is making tackles.

I think this is the problem we are running into here. For the fans that understand his job and what he means to that defense, this was not the way for Emery to go about this.

 

[Christo]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Whoa, I'm not turning on Urlacher. I wish him only the best. But, I was a Bears fan long before I was an Urlacher fan. And, I will be one long after he is gone. There are times when a fan needs to side with a player or the organization. This time, I side with the organization.

Didn't mean it that way. Sorry. Meant it in the context that fans are saying he could be back if he wanted to be. There's more to it than that line of thinking alone. Let someone ask you to take a 75% paycut and do the same job.

He's not an accountant, he's a football player. He's not performing at the same level as he was in his prime. He only has so much time left to play. And he only has so many options football-wise. Apparently, $2MM is his market value. If he doesn't want to take the pay cut, he doesn't have to take it. But he could still be a Bear and earn more in one year than most people earn in a life time. Recognizing that isn't turning on him. That's the reality of the situation.If a company had an accountant whose skills dropped off in a similar way, he wouldn't get a 75% pay cut he'd be fired.

Are you really serious with this? Top 5 defense and he calls all of the plays and his skills have dropped 75%? You are the one not seeing the "reality of the situation." You must think his only job is making tackles. And leave out the nonsense about how he makes more money than most people make in a lifetime. That has nothing to do with this and is always a pointless argument.

I didn't bring up other people. You were the one who said "Let someone ask you to take a 75% pay cut and do the same job." If you don't like the comparison shut your mouth. And it's already been posted that 12 of 13 NFL execs asked by the Sun Times agree that the Bears' offer was fair. So it is the reality of the situation.

You're a joke.

Can you come up with a thought of your own instead of "12 of 13 NFL said so, or he missed a bunch of tackles and he's a liability"? His value to the Bears is not the same as it would be for him going to another team, smart guy. I've suggested it, but don't bother looking at how the defense has played with him on the field the last 2 years. It's only facts. Just keep pushing the "he sucks" line.

If you'd bothered to read, I've given several of my own thoughts on the issue. Thoughts which are supported by what is being reported. People done have to #####, moan and mischaracterize other people's opinions like you in order to be giving an opinion.

 

[Christo]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Whoa, I'm not turning on Urlacher. I wish him only the best. But, I was a Bears fan long before I was an Urlacher fan. And, I will be one long after he is gone. There are times when a fan needs to side with a player or the organization. This time, I side with the organization.

Didn't mean it that way. Sorry. Meant it in the context that fans are saying he could be back if he wanted to be. There's more to it than that line of thinking alone. Let someone ask you to take a 75% paycut and do the same job.

He's not an accountant, he's a football player. He's not performing at the same level as he was in his prime. He only has so much time left to play. And he only has so many options football-wise. Apparently, $2MM is his market value. If he doesn't want to take the pay cut, he doesn't have to take it. But he could still be a Bear and earn more in one year than most people earn in a life time. Recognizing that isn't turning on him. That's the reality of the situation.If a company had an accountant whose skills dropped off in a similar way, he wouldn't get a 75% pay cut he'd be fired.

And you're not the capologist or guy writing the checks so what the hell do you care if they give 2 or 3 million to a guy that has meant a ton to this franchise, and is still the leader of a pretty good D.

What does that have to do with what I said?

It applies to the general thought that some fans (including you) are coming off as cold in supporting the take it or leave it approach.

It's a business, not the prom.