***2013 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[Christo]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Whoa, I'm not turning on Urlacher. I wish him only the best. But, I was a Bears fan long before I was an Urlacher fan. And, I will be one long after he is gone. There are times when a fan needs to side with a player or the organization. This time, I side with the organization.

Didn't mean it that way. Sorry. Meant it in the context that fans are saying he could be back if he wanted to be. There's more to it than that line of thinking alone. Let someone ask you to take a 75% paycut and do the same job.

He's not an accountant, he's a football player. He's not performing at the same level as he was in his prime. He only has so much time left to play. And he only has so many options football-wise. Apparently, $2MM is his market value. If he doesn't want to take the pay cut, he doesn't have to take it. But he could still be a Bear and earn more in one year than most people earn in a life time. Recognizing that isn't turning on him. That's the reality of the situation.If a company had an accountant whose skills dropped off in a similar way, he wouldn't get a 75% pay cut he'd be fired.

Are you really serious with this? Top 5 defense and he calls all of the plays and his skills have dropped 75%? You are the one not seeing the "reality of the situation." You must think his only job is making tackles.

I think this is the problem we are running into here. For the fans that understand his job and what he means to that defense, this was not the way for Emery to go about this.

@ you thinking you know more about this situation than me.

 

[RBM]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Whoa, I'm not turning on Urlacher. I wish him only the best. But, I was a Bears fan long before I was an Urlacher fan. And, I will be one long after he is gone. There are times when a fan needs to side with a player or the organization. This time, I side with the organization.

Didn't mean it that way. Sorry. Meant it in the context that fans are saying he could be back if he wanted to be. There's more to it than that line of thinking alone. Let someone ask you to take a 75% paycut and do the same job.

He's not an accountant, he's a football player. He's not performing at the same level as he was in his prime. He only has so much time left to play. And he only has so many options football-wise. Apparently, $2MM is his market value. If he doesn't want to take the pay cut, he doesn't have to take it. But he could still be a Bear and earn more in one year than most people earn in a life time. Recognizing that isn't turning on him. That's the reality of the situation.If a company had an accountant whose skills dropped off in a similar way, he wouldn't get a 75% pay cut he'd be fired.

Are you really serious with this? Top 5 defense and he calls all of the plays and his skills have dropped 75%? You are the one not seeing the "reality of the situation." You must think his only job is making tackles.

I think this is the problem we are running into here. For the fans that understand his job and what he means to that defense, this was not the way for Emery to go about this.

@ you thinking you know more about this situation than me.

He missed a few tackles in the game you watched so he's done . Even with the numbers clearly showing we were a worse D when he went out. It's clear you have a hard on for this Emery/Trestman team and you're going to blindly praise every move they make. No need to discuss this any further like Flap said. Some don't see the problem in the way this was handled, some do. And some don't think this will have a negative effect on a D that has probably one more run in it, some do. We will have to re-visit this during the season.

 

[Christo]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Whoa, I'm not turning on Urlacher. I wish him only the best. But, I was a Bears fan long before I was an Urlacher fan. And, I will be one long after he is gone. There are times when a fan needs to side with a player or the organization. This time, I side with the organization.

Didn't mean it that way. Sorry. Meant it in the context that fans are saying he could be back if he wanted to be. There's more to it than that line of thinking alone. Let someone ask you to take a 75% paycut and do the same job.

He's not an accountant, he's a football player. He's not performing at the same level as he was in his prime. He only has so much time left to play. And he only has so many options football-wise. Apparently, $2MM is his market value. If he doesn't want to take the pay cut, he doesn't have to take it. But he could still be a Bear and earn more in one year than most people earn in a life time. Recognizing that isn't turning on him. That's the reality of the situation.If a company had an accountant whose skills dropped off in a similar way, he wouldn't get a 75% pay cut he'd be fired.

Are you really serious with this? Top 5 defense and he calls all of the plays and his skills have dropped 75%? You are the one not seeing the "reality of the situation." You must think his only job is making tackles.

I think this is the problem we are running into here. For the fans that understand his job and what he means to that defense, this was not the way for Emery to go about this.

@ you thinking you know more about this situation than me.

He missed a few tackles in the game you watched so he's done . Even with the numbers clearly showing we were a worse D when he went out. It's clear you have a hard on for this Emery/Trestman team and you're going to blindly praise every move they make. No need to discuss this any further like Flap said. Some don't see the problem in the way this was handled, some do. And some don't think this will have a negative effect on a D that has probably one more run in it, some do. We will have to re-visit this during the season.

 

[RBM]

 

[KCitons]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Whoa, I'm not turning on Urlacher. I wish him only the best. But, I was a Bears fan long before I was an Urlacher fan. And, I will be one long after he is gone. There are times when a fan needs to side with a player or the organization. This time, I side with the organization.

Didn't mean it that way. Sorry. Meant it in the context that fans are saying he could be back if he wanted to be. There's more to it than that line of thinking alone. Let someone ask you to take a 75% paycut and do the same job.

He's not an accountant, he's a football player. He's not performing at the same level as he was in his prime. He only has so much time left to play. And he only has so many options football-wise. Apparently, $2MM is his market value. If he doesn't want to take the pay cut, he doesn't have to take it. But he could still be a Bear and earn more in one year than most people earn in a life time. Recognizing that isn't turning on him. That's the reality of the situation.If a company had an accountant whose skills dropped off in a similar way, he wouldn't get a 75% pay cut he'd be fired.

Are you really serious with this? Top 5 defense and he calls all of the plays and his skills have dropped 75%? You are the one not seeing the "reality of the situation." You must think his only job is making tackles.

I think this is the problem we are running into here. For the fans that understand his job and what he means to that defense, this was not the way for Emery to go about this.

@ you thinking you know more about this situation than me.

He missed a few tackles in the game you watched so he's done . Even with the numbers clearly showing we were a worse D when he went out. It's clear you have a hard on for this Emery/Trestman team and you're going to blindly praise every move they make. No need to discuss this any further like Flap said. Some don't see the problem in the way this was handled, some do. And some don't think this will have a negative effect on a D that has probably one more run in it, some do. We will have to re-visit this during the season.

No one will ever know. There are too many what if's. What if we signed Urlacher to a $3 million deal and he got hurt. What if Urlacher signs with another team for $2 million and plays well in a different role. What if our defense is only ranked #12, but we win more games overall. I think everyone is in agreement that the offense has suffered over the past few years due all the attention that the defense received. Now that the team is fixing some of the offensive problems, the defense has to give a little. I'm more disappointed at the loss of Roach, now that Williams has been signed. Signing Urlacher, for more than he is worth, only kicks the problem farther down the road.

 

[flapgreen]

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Whoa, I'm not turning on Urlacher. I wish him only the best. But, I was a Bears fan long before I was an Urlacher fan. And, I will be one long after he is gone. There are times when a fan needs to side with a player or the organization. This time, I side with the organization.

Didn't mean it that way. Sorry. Meant it in the context that fans are saying he could be back if he wanted to be. There's more to it than that line of thinking alone. Let someone ask you to take a 75% paycut and do the same job.

He's not an accountant, he's a football player. He's not performing at the same level as he was in his prime. He only has so much time left to play. And he only has so many options football-wise. Apparently, $2MM is his market value. If he doesn't want to take the pay cut, he doesn't have to take it. But he could still be a Bear and earn more in one year than most people earn in a life time. Recognizing that isn't turning on him. That's the reality of the situation.If a company had an accountant whose skills dropped off in a similar way, he wouldn't get a 75% pay cut he'd be fired.

Are you really serious with this? Top 5 defense and he calls all of the plays and his skills have dropped 75%? You are the one not seeing the "reality of the situation." You must think his only job is making tackles.

I think this is the problem we are running into here. For the fans that understand his job and what he means to that defense, this was not the way for Emery to go about this.

@ you thinking you know more about this situation than me.

He missed a few tackles in the game you watched so he's done . Even with the numbers clearly showing we were a worse D when he went out. It's clear you have a hard on for this Emery/Trestman team and you're going to blindly praise every move they make. No need to discuss this any further like Flap said. Some don't see the problem in the way this was handled, some do. And some don't think this will have a negative effect on a D that has probably one more run in it, some do. We will have to re-visit this during the season.

No one will ever know. There are too many what if's. What if we signed Urlacher to a $3 million deal and he got hurt. What if Urlacher signs with another team for $2 million and plays well in a different role. What if our defense is only ranked #12, but we win more games overall. I think everyone is in agreement that the offense has suffered over the past few years due all the attention that the defense received. Now that the team is fixing some of the offensive problems, the defense has to give a little. I'm more disappointed at the loss of Roach, now that Williams has been signed. Signing Urlacher, for more than he is worth, only kicks the problem farther down the road.

I was upset with Roach leaving at first, until seeing his contract. He got paid pretty well. I still think we could've moved him to MLB and kept. Maybe they are thinking about Ogletree in the draft.

 

[flapgreen]

Well, I didn't plan on Urlacher to take the "cut off your nose, to spite your face" route. Now I don't believe he will return to the Bears.

According to the Sean Jensen, "Urlacher doesn’t know what his value is in a depressed market, and he isn’t sure if he’ll get more than the Bears’ one-year deal worth up to $2 million" and when asked if he would test market then return to #Bears if he deemed their offer the best: "No, it's closed".

The guy is going to play in 2013 and he is doesn't know if he can get more than the Bears offered. He will play anywhere but in Chicago, even if it is for less money.

Doesn't make sense to me?

Doesn't make cents to me either. People do dumb things because they follow emotions instead of logic.

Easy to say that when you're not him. You have to take a stand sometimes. He felt it was time he took one. I highly doubt he made a rash decision at this point in his career. He's never been a selfish player and I don't think he became one this time. He felt it was fair to take over a 50% paycut but not 75% paycut to perform the same job. Nothing wrong with that. It amazes me how quickly fans turn on players.

Whoa, I'm not turning on Urlacher. I wish him only the best. But, I was a Bears fan long before I was an Urlacher fan. And, I will be one long after he is gone. There are times when a fan needs to side with a player or the organization. This time, I side with the organization.

Didn't mean it that way. Sorry. Meant it in the context that fans are saying he could be back if he wanted to be. There's more to it than that line of thinking alone. Let someone ask you to take a 75% paycut and do the same job.

He's not an accountant, he's a football player. He's not performing at the same level as he was in his prime. He only has so much time left to play. And he only has so many options football-wise. Apparently, $2MM is his market value. If he doesn't want to take the pay cut, he doesn't have to take it. But he could still be a Bear and earn more in one year than most people earn in a life time. Recognizing that isn't turning on him. That's the reality of the situation.If a company had an accountant whose skills dropped off in a similar way, he wouldn't get a 75% pay cut he'd be fired.

Are you really serious with this? Top 5 defense and he calls all of the plays and his skills have dropped 75%? You are the one not seeing the "reality of the situation." You must think his only job is making tackles.

I think this is the problem we are running into here. For the fans that understand his job and what he means to that defense, this was not the way for Emery to go about this.

@ you thinking you know more about this situation than me.

Coach Trestman? I didn't know you were on here. How's the offense looking?

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

You guys wonder why I rarely come in here and post.

I write out a detailed post about prospects/FA suggestions less than a week ago. The only posts have been between owners trying to prove who's right and nothing that matters anymore about Chicago.

 

[jagbag]

You guys wonder why I rarely come in here and post.I write out a detailed post about prospects/FA suggestions less than a week ago. The only posts have been between owners trying to prove who's right and nothing that matters anymore about Chicago.

I was about to post the same thing.I don't think anyone is going to change the others mind on the Urlacher issue so why keep trying.

 

[KCitons]

You guys wonder why I rarely come in here and post.I write out a detailed post about prospects/FA suggestions less than a week ago. The only posts have been between owners trying to prove who's right and nothing that matters anymore about Chicago.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize yours' was the only opinion that mattered. I guess since you posted your detailed off season suggestions, this thread should be closed?

 

[flapgreen]

You guys wonder why I rarely come in here and post.I write out a detailed post about prospects/FA suggestions less than a week ago. The only posts have been between owners trying to prove who's right and nothing that matters anymore about Chicago.

I thought you rarely came in here to post because you're usually wrong and don't come back until you think everyone forgot about it. Color me surprised...Eta: No one cares why you don't come in here and post btw. Hth

 

[flapgreen]

I think the biggest need for the Chicago OL in 2013 is center. Garza isn't quick enough to get off of double teams and/or reach the second level. He gets stalemated by Raji/Williams/Suh/Fairley and it messes up the run/pass game. If Chicago wants to address the Center position in round two that's fine.

My dream scenario is Chicago obtaining at least one starting OL and two more for to compete in Free Agency, along with a TE. With Austin/Mathieu in round one and two, then OL/LB/etc.

For those that aren't educated on these players

Tavon Austin:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdxtZn9Z-Jc

I suggested most of those at least a year or two ago, Mr. Enlightened, at which time you disagreed adamently to the point to where you said I should support the organization or change teams. Your so called "plan" was brought up years before you mentioned it two months ago. Take another leave of absence, sir. Your holier than thou attitude looks ridiculous.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

You guys wonder why I rarely come in here and post.I write out a detailed post about prospects/FA suggestions less than a week ago. The only posts have been between owners trying to prove who's right and nothing that matters anymore about Chicago.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize yours' was the only opinion that mattered. I guess since you posted your detailed off season suggestions, this thread should be closed?

I never said that. However instead of banging your head against the wall trying to change people's minds...maybe we could discuss the Bears...what they can do from here on out...a constructive discussion. The Urlacher thing was going nowhere.

 

[RBM]

I figured Benson was busy trying to figure out why we spent money on Bushrod when we have Webb.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

You guys wonder why I rarely come in here and post.I write out a detailed post about prospects/FA suggestions less than a week ago. The only posts have been between owners trying to prove who's right and nothing that matters anymore about Chicago.

I thought you rarely came in here to post because you're usually wrong and don't come back until you think everyone forgot about it. Color me surprised...Eta: No one cares why you don't come in here and post btw. Hth

Flap, you're a waste of time...period. You think a message board is about who's right and wrong...I wonder how you conduct your real life/relationships/job...sounds healthy.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I think the biggest need for the Chicago OL in 2013 is center. Garza isn't quick enough to get off of double teams and/or reach the second level. He gets stalemated by Raji/Williams/Suh/Fairley and it messes up the run/pass game. If Chicago wants to address the Center position in round two that's fine.

My dream scenario is Chicago obtaining at least one starting OL and two more for to compete in Free Agency, along with a TE. With Austin/Mathieu in round one and two, then OL/LB/etc.

For those that aren't educated on these players

Tavon Austin:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdxtZn9Z-Jc

All I see when you post is or white noise. Complaint after complaint. I remember you saying you would never post in here again...but you're still posting. It's like the boy who cried wolf...even if you have a good point...nobody hears you anymore. Please bring up an actual detailed plan instead of....sign OL, draft OL. Which is all you've complained about

 

[KCitons]

You guys wonder why I rarely come in here and post.I write out a detailed post about prospects/FA suggestions less than a week ago. The only posts have been between owners trying to prove who's right and nothing that matters anymore about Chicago.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize yours' was the only opinion that mattered. I guess since you posted your detailed off season suggestions, this thread should be closed?

I never said that. However instead of banging your head against the wall trying to change people's minds...maybe we could discuss the Bears...what they can do from here on out...a constructive discussion. The Urlacher thing was going nowhere.

When it comes to sports teams, fans never agree on what is right or wrong. If you think about it, everything we discuss is going nowhere. Won't change what the Bears do or don't do. But I'm trying to understand your post. Did you want people to agree or disagree with you? It seems to me you are angry because everyone in this thread is discussing something other than your opinions.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

You guys wonder why I rarely come in here and post.I write out a detailed post about prospects/FA suggestions less than a week ago. The only posts have been between owners trying to prove who's right and nothing that matters anymore about Chicago.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize yours' was the only opinion that mattered. I guess since you posted your detailed off season suggestions, this thread should be closed?

I never said that. However instead of banging your head against the wall trying to change people's minds...maybe we could discuss the Bears...what they can do from here on out...a constructive discussion. The Urlacher thing was going nowhere.

When it comes to sports teams, fans never agree on what is right or wrong. If you think about it, everything we discuss is going nowhere. Won't change what the Bears do or don't do. But I'm trying to understand your post. Did you want people to agree or disagree with you? It seems to me you are angry because everyone in this thread is discussing something other than your opinions.

At some point agreeing to disagree is the best option. That's what i'm pointing out.I'm also hoping people can get back to discussing the Bears, what they should do, etc without personal vendetta's to one up each other. I don't care if people didn't like my post...just talk about something with substance or PM each other.

 

[KCitons]

You guys wonder why I rarely come in here and post.

I write out a detailed post about prospects/FA suggestions less than a week ago. The only posts have been between owners trying to prove who's right and nothing that matters anymore about Chicago.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize yours' was the only opinion that mattered. I guess since you posted your detailed off season suggestions, this thread should be closed?

I never said that. However instead of banging your head against the wall trying to change people's minds...maybe we could discuss the Bears...what they can do from here on out...a constructive discussion. The Urlacher thing was going nowhere.

When it comes to sports teams, fans never agree on what is right or wrong. If you think about it, everything we discuss is going nowhere. Won't change what the Bears do or don't do. But I'm trying to understand your post. Did you want people to agree or disagree with you? It seems to me you are angry because everyone in this thread is discussing something other than your opinions.

At some point agreeing to disagree is the best option. That's what i'm pointing out.I'm also hoping people can get back to discussing the Bears, what they should do, etc without personal vendetta's to one up each other. I don't care if people didn't like my post...just talk about something with substance or PM each other.

This seems highly subjected. Just because you don't think it's relevant, doesn't mean that everyone feels the same way. The Urlacher news was relevant all week. From the time it was first made public, through the many Urlacher interviews and the article Sean Jensen wrote about how other NFL GM's viewed the $2 million offer.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

You guys wonder why I rarely come in here and post.

I write out a detailed post about prospects/FA suggestions less than a week ago. The only posts have been between owners trying to prove who's right and nothing that matters anymore about Chicago.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize yours' was the only opinion that mattered. I guess since you posted your detailed off season suggestions, this thread should be closed?

I never said that. However instead of banging your head against the wall trying to change people's minds...maybe we could discuss the Bears...what they can do from here on out...a constructive discussion. The Urlacher thing was going nowhere.

When it comes to sports teams, fans never agree on what is right or wrong. If you think about it, everything we discuss is going nowhere. Won't change what the Bears do or don't do. But I'm trying to understand your post. Did you want people to agree or disagree with you? It seems to me you are angry because everyone in this thread is discussing something other than your opinions.

At some point agreeing to disagree is the best option. That's what i'm pointing out.I'm also hoping people can get back to discussing the Bears, what they should do, etc without personal vendetta's to one up each other. I don't care if people didn't like my post...just talk about something with substance or PM each other.

This seems highly subjected. Just because you don't think it's relevant, doesn't mean that everyone feels the same way. The Urlacher news was relevant all week. From the time it was first made public, through the many Urlacher interviews and the article Sean Jensen wrote about how other NFL GM's viewed the $2 million offer.

See post 660, i'm not the only person to post about moving on in here.

 

[KCitons]

You guys wonder why I rarely come in here and post.

I write out a detailed post about prospects/FA suggestions less than a week ago. The only posts have been between owners trying to prove who's right and nothing that matters anymore about Chicago.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize yours' was the only opinion that mattered. I guess since you posted your detailed off season suggestions, this thread should be closed?

I never said that. However instead of banging your head against the wall trying to change people's minds...maybe we could discuss the Bears...what they can do from here on out...a constructive discussion. The Urlacher thing was going nowhere.

When it comes to sports teams, fans never agree on what is right or wrong. If you think about it, everything we discuss is going nowhere. Won't change what the Bears do or don't do. But I'm trying to understand your post. Did you want people to agree or disagree with you? It seems to me you are angry because everyone in this thread is discussing something other than your opinions.

At some point agreeing to disagree is the best option. That's what i'm pointing out.I'm also hoping people can get back to discussing the Bears, what they should do, etc without personal vendetta's to one up each other. I don't care if people didn't like my post...just talk about something with substance or PM each other.

This seems highly subjected. Just because you don't think it's relevant, doesn't mean that everyone feels the same way. The Urlacher news was relevant all week. From the time it was first made public, through the many Urlacher interviews and the article Sean Jensen wrote about how other NFL GM's viewed the $2 million offer.

See post 660, i'm not the only person to post about moving on in here.

Whatever. Look at the 50 posts before that. It likes like a few others wanted to continue talking about Urlacher. I still don't see why it matters what subject we choose to discuss. It all relates to the Bears. Again, it looks like you want to decide what we can discuss and how long we can discuss it? Doesn't work that way in a public forum.

 

[KCitons]

In other news, Bears signed LB James Anderson.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

You guys wonder why I rarely come in here and post.

I write out a detailed post about prospects/FA suggestions less than a week ago. The only posts have been between owners trying to prove who's right and nothing that matters anymore about Chicago.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize yours' was the only opinion that mattered. I guess since you posted your detailed off season suggestions, this thread should be closed?

I never said that. However instead of banging your head against the wall trying to change people's minds...maybe we could discuss the Bears...what they can do from here on out...a constructive discussion. The Urlacher thing was going nowhere.

When it comes to sports teams, fans never agree on what is right or wrong. If you think about it, everything we discuss is going nowhere. Won't change what the Bears do or don't do. But I'm trying to understand your post. Did you want people to agree or disagree with you? It seems to me you are angry because everyone in this thread is discussing something other than your opinions.

At some point agreeing to disagree is the best option. That's what i'm pointing out.I'm also hoping people can get back to discussing the Bears, what they should do, etc without personal vendetta's to one up each other. I don't care if people didn't like my post...just talk about something with substance or PM each other.

This seems highly subjected. Just because you don't think it's relevant, doesn't mean that everyone feels the same way. The Urlacher news was relevant all week. From the time it was first made public, through the many Urlacher interviews and the article Sean Jensen wrote about how other NFL GM's viewed the $2 million offer.

See post 660, i'm not the only person to post about moving on in here.

Whatever. Look at the 50 posts before that. It likes like a few others wanted to continue talking about Urlacher. I still don't see why it matters what subject we choose to discuss. It all relates to the Bears. Again, it looks like you want to decide what we can discuss and how long we can discuss it? Doesn't work that way in a public forum.

This is all I need to know, you don't want to discuss. It is a public forum and i'm not trying to control anything. I'm pointing out process, right now it looks like it's unproductive and coming to no resolution. Go ahead and continue, i'll leave

 

[KCitons]

You guys wonder why I rarely come in here and post.

I write out a detailed post about prospects/FA suggestions less than a week ago. The only posts have been between owners trying to prove who's right and nothing that matters anymore about Chicago.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize yours' was the only opinion that mattered. I guess since you posted your detailed off season suggestions, this thread should be closed?

I never said that. However instead of banging your head against the wall trying to change people's minds...maybe we could discuss the Bears...what they can do from here on out...a constructive discussion. The Urlacher thing was going nowhere.

When it comes to sports teams, fans never agree on what is right or wrong. If you think about it, everything we discuss is going nowhere. Won't change what the Bears do or don't do. But I'm trying to understand your post. Did you want people to agree or disagree with you? It seems to me you are angry because everyone in this thread is discussing something other than your opinions.

At some point agreeing to disagree is the best option. That's what i'm pointing out.I'm also hoping people can get back to discussing the Bears, what they should do, etc without personal vendetta's to one up each other. I don't care if people didn't like my post...just talk about something with substance or PM each other.

This seems highly subjected. Just because you don't think it's relevant, doesn't mean that everyone feels the same way. The Urlacher news was relevant all week. From the time it was first made public, through the many Urlacher interviews and the article Sean Jensen wrote about how other NFL GM's viewed the $2 million offer.

See post 660, i'm not the only person to post about moving on in here.

Whatever. Look at the 50 posts before that. It likes like a few others wanted to continue talking about Urlacher. I still don't see why it matters what subject we choose to discuss. It all relates to the Bears. Again, it looks like you want to decide what we can discuss and how long we can discuss it? Doesn't work that way in a public forum.

This is all I need to know, you don't want to discuss. It is a public forum and i'm not trying to control anything. I'm pointing out process, right now it looks like it's unproductive and coming to no resolution. Go ahead and continue, i'll leave

You make that statement as if it's a threat. A threat that is suppose to mean something to me and anyone else on this forum. Any discussion will run it's own course. If you haven't noticed, the bad blood between you and Flapgreen continues to rear is head in every new topic that comes up. When will that stop? When does it start to negatively effect the thread?

As new things happen, some of the old discussions come through. When DJ Williams was signed, it would be impossible to ignore any comparisons to if/how he will be able to replace Urlacher. And people are going to express their opinions.

 

[flapgreen]

In other news, Bears signed LB James Anderson.

I like the DJ and Anderson signings. They're still quality players, if they can stay healthy. On the Moore front, I think they have moved on, but who knows. If he signs for cheap enough, they might fit him on. I highly doubt they can, though. Winston would also be a welcome addition, but again, he will be too expensive.

 

[flapgreen]

I think the biggest need for the Chicago OL in 2013 is center. Garza isn't quick enough to get off of double teams and/or reach the second level. He gets stalemated by Raji/Williams/Suh/Fairley and it messes up the run/pass game. If Chicago wants to address the Center position in round two that's fine.

My dream scenario is Chicago obtaining at least one starting OL and two more for to compete in Free Agency, along with a TE. With Austin/Mathieu in round one and two, then OL/LB/etc.

For those that aren't educated on these players

Tavon Austin:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdxtZn9Z-Jc

Been bringing up guys for years.Didn't you just threaten to leave a few posts back? I sao leave because I was so angry at the Bears. You, basically crying because people aren't doing what you want.

 

[flapgreen]

You guys wonder why I rarely come in here and post.

I write out a detailed post about prospects/FA suggestions less than a week ago. The only posts have been between owners trying to prove who's right and nothing that matters anymore about Chicago.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize yours' was the only opinion that mattered. I guess since you posted your detailed off season suggestions, this thread should be closed?

I never said that. However instead of banging your head against the wall trying to change people's minds...maybe we could discuss the Bears...what they can do from here on out...a constructive discussion. The Urlacher thing was going nowhere.

When it comes to sports teams, fans never agree on what is right or wrong. If you think about it, everything we discuss is going nowhere. Won't change what the Bears do or don't do. But I'm trying to understand your post. Did you want people to agree or disagree with you? It seems to me you are angry because everyone in this thread is discussing something other than your opinions.

At some point agreeing to disagree is the best option. That's what i'm pointing out.I'm also hoping people can get back to discussing the Bears, what they should do, etc without personal vendetta's to one up each other. I don't care if people didn't like my post...just talk about something with substance or PM each other.

This seems highly subjected. Just because you don't think it's relevant, doesn't mean that everyone feels the same way. The Urlacher news was relevant all week. From the time it was first made public, through the many Urlacher interviews and the article Sean Jensen wrote about how other NFL GM's viewed the $2 million offer.

See post 660, i'm not the only person to post about moving on in here.

Whatever. Look at the 50 posts before that. It likes like a few others wanted to continue talking about Urlacher. I still don't see why it matters what subject we choose to discuss. It all relates to the Bears. Again, it looks like you want to decide what we can discuss and how long we can discuss it? Doesn't work that way in a public forum.

This is all I need to know, you don't want to discuss. It is a public forum and i'm not trying to control anything. I'm pointing out process, right now it looks like it's unproductive and coming to no resolution. Go ahead and continue, i'll leave

You make that statement as if it's a threat. A threat that is suppose to mean something to me and anyone else on this forum. Any discussion will run it's own course. If you haven't noticed, the bad blood between you and Flapgreen continues to rear is head in every new topic that comes up. When will that stop? When does it start to negatively effect the thread?

As new things happen, some of the old discussions come through. When DJ Williams was signed, it would be impossible to ignore any comparisons to if/how he will be able to replace Urlacher. And people are going to express their opinions.

I don't think it's "bad blood." I just think he's full of crap.Eta: nm. After reading his first post, it appears that's what it is.

 

[flapgreen]

You guys wonder why I rarely come in here and post.I write out a detailed post about prospects/FA suggestions less than a week ago. The only posts have been between owners trying to prove who's right and nothing that matters anymore about Chicago.

I thought you rarely came in here to post because you're usually wrong and don't come back until you think everyone forgot about it. Color me surprised...Eta: No one cares why you don't come in here and post btw. Hth

Flap, you're a waste of time...period. You think a message board is about who's right and wrong...I wonder how you conduct your real life/relationships/job...sounds healthy.

You mad, bro?

 

[KCitons]

In other news, Bears signed LB James Anderson.

I like the DJ and Anderson signings. They're still quality players, if they can stay healthy. On the Moore front, I think they have moved on, but who knows. If he signs for cheap enough, they might fit him on. I highly doubt they can, though. Winston would also be a welcome addition, but again, he will be too expensive.

I'm still on the fence with Williams. It's clear he has the upside, but the baggage is hard to ignore. I keep thinking, why would the Broncos let him walk. I'm still trying to find some stats that show him starting at MLB in a 4-3 defense. Everything I've found shows him as a either the WLB (4-3) or an ILB (3-4)As far as Anderson, I only remember him putting up decent fantasy numbers. But, I think it was more because of the injury problems the Panthers had with Beason and Connor.

 

[flapgreen]

In other news, Bears signed LB James Anderson.

I like the DJ and Anderson signings. They're still quality players, if they can stay healthy. On the Moore front, I think they have moved on, but who knows. If he signs for cheap enough, they might fit him on. I highly doubt they can, though. Winston would also be a welcome addition, but again, he will be too expensive.

I'm still on the fence with Williams. It's clear he has the upside, but the baggage is hard to ignore. I keep thinking, why would the Broncos let him walk. I'm still trying to find some stats that show him starting at MLB in a 4-3 defense. Everything I've found shows him as a either the WLB (4-3) or an ILB (3-4)As far as Anderson, I only remember him putting up decent fantasy numbers. But, I think it was more because of the injury problems the Panthers had with Beason and Connor.

Baggage is a concern with DJ, for sure. He's played very well over the years, though. The only thing I know about Anderson is that he got a good sized contract a couple years ago and gets a lot of tackles.

 

[Christo]

Bears agree to 1-year deal with safety Zbikowski

Posted: Mar 23, 2013 4:01 PM CDT

Updated: Mar 23, 2013 4:06 PM CDT

LAKE FOREST, Ill. (Associated Press) -

The Chicago Bears have agreed to a 1-year contract with safety Tom Zbikowski. The Bears announced the signing Saturday.

The Notre Dame alum and professional boxer has appeared in 64 games with 25 starts over five seasons with Indianapolis in 2012 and with Baltimore from 2008 to 2011.

The 5-foot-11, 200-pound Zbikowski recorded 89 tackles, three interceptions, eight pass break-ups and two sacks during those seasons.

He has also appeared in eight postseason contests.

The Arlington Heights, Ill., native was selected by the Ravens in the third round of the 2008 NFL Draft out of Notre Dame.

Copyright 2013 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.my50chicago.com/story/21776002/bears-agree-to-1-year-deal-with-safety-zbikowski

 

[flapgreen]

A lot factors will play into it, but I'm guessing they go wr or lb in round one. It doesn't look like any of the top OL will fall, except maybe Fluker. Ogletree is a possibility too.

 

[flapgreen]

Bears agree to 1-year deal with safety Zbikowski

Posted: Mar 23, 2013 4:01 PM CDT

Updated: Mar 23, 2013 4:06 PM CDT

LAKE FOREST, Ill. (Associated Press) -

The Chicago Bears have agreed to a 1-year contract with safety Tom Zbikowski. The Bears announced the signing Saturday.

The Notre Dame alum and professional boxer has appeared in 64 games with 25 starts over five seasons with Indianapolis in 2012 and with Baltimore from 2008 to 2011.

The 5-foot-11, 200-pound Zbikowski recorded 89 tackles, three interceptions, eight pass break-ups and two sacks during those seasons.

He has also appeared in eight postseason contests.

The Arlington Heights, Ill., native was selected by the Ravens in the third round of the 2008 NFL Draft out of Notre Dame.

Copyright 2013 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.my50chicago.com/story/21776002/bears-agree-to-1-year-deal-with-safety-zbikowski

I don't know that guy.

 

[3nOut]

In other news, Bears signed LB James Anderson.

I like the DJ and Anderson signings. They're still quality players, if they can stay healthy. On the Moore front, I think they have moved on, but who knows. If he signs for cheap enough, they might fit him on. I highly doubt they can, though. Winston would also be a welcome addition, but again, he will be too expensive.

I'm still on the fence with Williams. It's clear he has the upside, but the baggage is hard to ignore. I keep thinking, why would the Broncos let him walk. I'm still trying to find some stats that show him starting at MLB in a 4-3 defense. Everything I've found shows him as a either the WLB (4-3) or an ILB (3-4)As far as Anderson, I only remember him putting up decent fantasy numbers. But, I think it was more because of the injury problems the Panthers had with Beason and Connor.

I think I heard on the radio today that he was due 6 million if he wasn't released. That doesn't sound right, but I think thats what was said.Eta: just read this on profootballtalk.com...

With a $6 million salary, Williams was expendable from an economic standpoint and a football standpoint, with the emergence of Wesley Woodyard.

 

[Christo]

Bears agree to 1-year deal with safety Zbikowski

Posted: Mar 23, 2013 4:01 PM CDT

Updated: Mar 23, 2013 4:06 PM CDT

LAKE FOREST, Ill. (Associated Press) -

The Chicago Bears have agreed to a 1-year contract with safety Tom Zbikowski. The Bears announced the signing Saturday.

The Notre Dame alum and professional boxer has appeared in 64 games with 25 starts over five seasons with Indianapolis in 2012 and with Baltimore from 2008 to 2011.

The 5-foot-11, 200-pound Zbikowski recorded 89 tackles, three interceptions, eight pass break-ups and two sacks during those seasons.

He has also appeared in eight postseason contests.

The Arlington Heights, Ill., native was selected by the Ravens in the third round of the 2008 NFL Draft out of Notre Dame.

Copyright 2013 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.my50chicago.com/story/21776002/bears-agree-to-1-year-deal-with-safety-zbikowski

I don't know that guy.

Shocking

 

[flapgreen]

 

[Statcruncher]

My god, this entire thread looks like it's Packers fans pretending to be Bears fans so they can troll. Might as well shut it down.

One of my personal favorites is RBM and Flapgreen foreboding that the defense will suffer without #54. So you're saying that a defense that started off last year as one of the most dominant D's ever probably won't be as good? And even before Urlacher left every sane person I knew felt the aging defense was about to begin their decline. I can hardly wait to see RBM and Flap bumping their "I told you so" posts. How hard is it to keep logging out and logging in so you can support each other's posts?

 

[RBM]

My god, this entire thread looks like it's Packers fans pretending to be Bears fans so they can troll. Might as well shut it down.One of my personal favorites is RBM and Flapgreen foreboding that the defense will suffer without #54. So you're saying that a defense that started off last year as one of the most dominant D's ever probably won't be as good? And even before Urlacher left every sane person I knew felt the aging defense was about to begin their decline. I can hardly wait to see RBM and Flap bumping their "I told you so" posts. How hard is it to keep logging out and logging in so you can support each other's posts?

We've been right a lot more than we've been wrong in these Bear threads. I just love the assertion that if you don't blindly support every decision you're not a real fan.

 

[flapgreen]

My god, this entire thread looks like it's Packers fans pretending to be Bears fans so they can troll. Might as well shut it down.One of my personal favorites is RBM and Flapgreen foreboding that the defense will suffer without #54. So you're saying that a defense that started off last year as one of the most dominant D's ever probably won't be as good? And even before Urlacher left every sane person I knew felt the aging defense was about to begin their decline. I can hardly wait to see RBM and Flap bumping their "I told you so" posts. How hard is it to keep logging out and logging in so you can support each other's posts?

We've been right a lot more than we've been wrong in these Bear threads. I just love the assertion that if you don't blindly support every decision you're not a real fan.

Why you gots to be bringing up old stuff? *cough*statcruncher*cough*

 

[KCitons]

My god, this entire thread looks like it's Packers fans pretending to be Bears fans so they can troll. Might as well shut it down.One of my personal favorites is RBM and Flapgreen foreboding that the defense will suffer without #54. So you're saying that a defense that started off last year as one of the most dominant D's ever probably won't be as good? And even before Urlacher left every sane person I knew felt the aging defense was about to begin their decline. I can hardly wait to see RBM and Flap bumping their "I told you so" posts. How hard is it to keep logging out and logging in so you can support each other's posts?

We've been right a lot more than we've been wrong in these Bear threads. I just love the assertion that if you don't blindly support every decision you're not a real fan.

Not sure about anyone else, but I don't feel that I support every decision. It's been a frustrating few years and now that the old regime has been removed I am going to show some patience before I start complaining. (last I checked, no one in the Bears organization listened to my complaints anyway)

 

[Christo]

I just love the assertion that if you don't blindly support every decision you're not a real fan.

Link?

 

[RBM]

I just love the assertion that if you don't blindly support every decision you're not a real fan.

Link?

Think it's in the thread from last year. Flap and I getting the business for being too negative, especially about the o-line.The Bears have sucked pretty much for over 20 yrs now, Id think its understandable for fans to be negative.

 

[flapgreen]

My god, this entire thread looks like it's Packers fans pretending to be Bears fans so they can troll. Might as well shut it down.One of my personal favorites is RBM and Flapgreen foreboding that the defense will suffer without #54. So you're saying that a defense that started off last year as one of the most dominant D's ever probably won't be as good? And even before Urlacher left every sane person I knew felt the aging defense was about to begin their decline. I can hardly wait to see RBM and Flap bumping their "I told you so" posts. How hard is it to keep logging out and logging in so you can support each other's posts?

We've been right a lot more than we've been wrong in these Bear threads. I just love the assertion that if you don't blindly support every decision you're not a real fan.

Not sure about anyone else, but I don't feel that I support every decision. It's been a frustrating few years and now that the old regime has been removed I am going to show some patience before I start complaining. (last I checked, no one in the Bears organization listened to my complaints anyway)

You don't.

 

[flapgreen]

I just love the assertion that if you don't blindly support every decision you're not a real fan.

Link?

Think it's in the thread from last year. Flap and I getting the business for being too negative, especially about the o-line.The Bears have sucked pretty much for over 20 yrs now, Id think its understandable for fans to be negative.

They shut up about the o-line real quick.

 

[Christo]

I just love the assertion that if you don't blindly support every decision you're not a real fan.

Link?

Think it's in the thread from last year.

Sure

 

[The Tick]

Bears agree to 1-year deal with safety Zbikowski

Posted: Mar 23, 2013 4:01 PM CDT

Updated: Mar 23, 2013 4:06 PM CDT

LAKE FOREST, Ill. (Associated Press) -

The Chicago Bears have agreed to a 1-year contract with safety Tom Zbikowski. The Bears announced the signing Saturday.

The Notre Dame alum and professional boxer has appeared in 64 games with 25 starts over five seasons with Indianapolis in 2012 and with Baltimore from 2008 to 2011.

The 5-foot-11, 200-pound Zbikowski recorded 89 tackles, three interceptions, eight pass break-ups and two sacks during those seasons.

He has also appeared in eight postseason contests.

The Arlington Heights, Ill., native was selected by the Ravens in the third round of the 2008 NFL Draft out of Notre Dame.

Copyright 2013 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.my50chicago.com/story/21776002/bears-agree-to-1-year-deal-with-safety-zbikowski

I don't know that guy.

Shocking

Well we don't have a third round pick this year to draft our yearly safety, so we had to get another one somehow .

 

[Statcruncher]

Well we don't have a third round pick this year to draft our yearly safety, so we had to get another one somehow .

 

[3nOut]

Rank these prospects in terms of who you want the Bears to draft (if all are available):

OLB Jarvis Jones

OLB Alec Ogletree

ILB Manti Teo

WR Tavon Austin

OT DJ Fluker

G Jonathan Cooper

Other

Given Jarvis Jones' spinal stenosis condition, if he was to fall to the Bears (although unlikely), would you want the Besr to take the risk and draft him? How would you feel if they select Ogletree or settle on Manti Teo?

 

[KCitons]

Just my opinion. I'm not sure Bushrod is going to be all that we hope.

Other

Fluker

Cooper

Austin

Jones

Ogletree

Anyone

Else

But

Teo

 

[RBM]

Jonathan Scott back on a one yr deal.