2013 Hot Stove & Capella's Fabulous Cornhole Thread (1 Viewer)

[Good Posting Judge]

How many all star games has choo made?

None that I see.

To be fair, what Choo does well (high OBP, field a corner well) doesn't really translate to All-Star votes. I mean he's a ####load better than Nelson Cruz, all things considered.

 

[shadyridr]

How many all star games has choo made?

None that I see.

To be fair, what Choo does well (high OBP, field a corner well) doesn't really translate to All-Star votes. I mean he's a ####load better than Nelson Cruz, all things considered.

funny you mention cruz cuz i mentioned to my friend today id rather have cruz on a beltean type deal than the deal choo just got. Hard to justify giving any player that kind of deal and he never even made a single all star game (which isnt even that difficult these days).

 

[Bogart]

How many all star games has choo made?

None that I see.

To be fair, what Choo does well (high OBP, field a corner well) doesn't really translate to All-Star votes. I mean he's a ####load better than Nelson Cruz, all things considered.

funny you mention cruz cuz i mentioned to my friend today id rather have cruz on a beltean type deal than the deal choo just got. Hard to justify giving any player that kind of deal and he never even made a single all star game (which isnt even that difficult these days).

Good thing Ellsbury was able to justify his contract with all of those multiple All-Star appearances.

 

[Brady Marino]

I had no idea so much of a player's value was tied into a bull#### game.

 

[Frostillicus]

Yeah, and how many gold gloves has he won?

 

[Eephus]

Choo was MVP and Best Pitcher of the 2000 World Junior Baseball Championship, so there's that

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Now consider the Indians traded Choo for Drew Stubbs and Lars Anderson.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Now consider the Indians traded Choo for Drew Stubbs and Lars Anderson.

The Indians actually traded Sipp, Lars Anderson, Jason Donald, and Choo for Albers, Trevor Bauer, and Stubbs. I think.

So basically a year of Choo (and the subsequent compensatory draft pick, don't forget) for several years of control of Bauer. Everything else is pretty negligible. Bauer's yet to find his control, so at this point it's not looking good for Clevo. But who knows, check out this trade from 2008:

• July 8, 2008: (Rich Harden) Traded by the Oakland Athletics with Chad Gaudin to the Chicago Cubs for Josh Donaldson, Sean Gallagher, Matt Murton and Eric Patterson.

Shady, you sound like a cliche of every bad New York sports fan.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Oliver Projections for 2014:

Choo 4.7 WAR
Gentry 4.4 WAR

 

[dparker713]

How many all star games has choo made?

None that I see.

To be fair, what Choo does well (high OBP, field a corner well) doesn't really translate to All-Star votes. I mean he's a ####load better than Nelson Cruz, all things considered.

funny you mention cruz cuz i mentioned to my friend today id rather have cruz on a beltean type deal than the deal choo just got. Hard to justify giving any player that kind of deal and he never even made a single all star game (which isnt even that difficult these days).

Cruz turned down 75/5. His options might be more limited now, but he's not settling for a Beltran deal. Plus he costs a draft pick.

Also, baseball's revenues are 9 billion or so. What do you want to have happen, the owners pocket even more of that? Players are getting a ton of money because the game is awash in cash yet hasn't really raised its largest salary since ARod's deal with the Rangers.

 

[shadyridr]

How many all star games has choo made?

None that I see.

To be fair, what Choo does well (high OBP, field a corner well) doesn't really translate to All-Star votes. I mean he's a ####load better than Nelson Cruz, all things considered.

funny you mention cruz cuz i mentioned to my friend today id rather have cruz on a beltean type deal than the deal choo just got. Hard to justify giving any player that kind of deal and he never even made a single all star game (which isnt even that difficult these days).

Good thing Ellsbury was able to justify his contract with all of those multiple All-Star appearances.

i thought the ellsbury contract was horrid too

 

[shadyridr]

I had no idea so much of a player's value was tied into a bull#### game.

its not but hen 64 guys make the team plus injury replacements you would think the guy would have made one by accident.

 

[Balco]

Am I the only one who thinks Seattle might be pretty good next year? Rotation should be solid, and they have some young emerging hitters sprinkled with veteran bats. It is a very tough division, but I see no reason they can't compete.

Before I thought they shouldn't trade Walker in a deal for Price, but now I think it would be a great move (for both teams).

 

[Bogart]

I had no idea so much of a player's value was tied into a bull#### game.

its not but hen 64 guys make the team plus injury replacements you would think the guy would have made one by accident.

Poor voter turn out in Cle and Cin?

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Am I the only one who thinks Seattle might be pretty good next year? Rotation should be solid, and they have some young emerging hitters sprinkled with veteran bats. It is a very tough division, but I see no reason they can't compete.

Before I thought they shouldn't trade Walker in a deal for Price, but now I think it would be a great move (for both teams).

Wont make the playoffs.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The good and bad of Choo

 

[Paulymaggs]

Am I the only one who thinks Seattle might be pretty good next year? Rotation should be solid, and they have some young emerging hitters sprinkled with veteran bats. It is a very tough division, but I see no reason they can't compete.

Before I thought they shouldn't trade Walker in a deal for Price, but now I think it would be a great move (for both teams).

Wont make the playoffs.

Most likely a .500 team at this point. Will get very interesting if they add Tanaka though.

 

[Paulymaggs]

@ the guys that bemoan the money guys like Pujols, Fielder, Cano, etc get.

If this money doesn't go to the players, it's going to end up as dividends in the ownership groups' pockets.

 

[Hilts]

Am I the only one who thinks Seattle might be pretty good next year? Rotation should be solid, and they have some young emerging hitters sprinkled with veteran bats. It is a very tough division, but I see no reason they can't compete.

Before I thought they shouldn't trade Walker in a deal for Price, but now I think it would be a great move (for both teams).

Wont make the playoffs.

Agreed. They should be improved this year, but they're still not good enough. Don't understand what they're doing in Seattle, but imo trading away Walker would be a bad move.

 

[Balco]

Am I the only one who thinks Seattle might be pretty good next year? Rotation should be solid, and they have some young emerging hitters sprinkled with veteran bats. It is a very tough division, but I see no reason they can't compete.

Before I thought they shouldn't trade Walker in a deal for Price, but now I think it would be a great move (for both teams).

Wont make the playoffs.

Agreed. They should be improved this year, but they're still not good enough. Don't understand what they're doing in Seattle, but imo trading away Walker would be a bad move.

Even for two years of Shields?

 

[Master of Past and Present]

I wouldn't trade Walker if Price isn't willing to sign an extension.

I still have low expectations. Winning season would be nice but don't see them getting there. They will lose too many close games where the opposition makes anyone but Cano beat them and will fail.

 

[rodg12]

Oliver Projections for 2014:

Choo 4.7 WAR

Gentry 4.4 WAR

The more and more I see stuff like this, the more and more convinced I am that defense and baserunning are overvalued in the WAR calculation. Yes, they're important. I get it. But, not to the level WAR puts them.

 

[shadyridr]

Oliver Projections for 2014:

Choo 4.7 WAR

Gentry 4.4 WAR

The more and more I see stuff like this, the more and more convinced I am that defense and baserunning are overvalued in the WAR calculation. Yes, they're important. I get it. But, not to the level WAR puts them.

thats the point of WAR, to convince numbnuts like you who evaluate hitting more than fielding and baserunning. They are all very important parts of the game.

 

[Frostillicus]

It never ends.

 

[the moops]

It never ends.

shady dooshiness?

 

[scoobus]

Oliver Projections for 2014:

Choo 4.7 WAR

Gentry 4.4 WAR

The more and more I see stuff like this, the more and more convinced I am that defense and baserunning are overvalued in the WAR calculation. Yes, they're important. I get it. But, not to the level WAR puts them.

thats the point of WAR, to convince numbnuts like you who evaluate hitting more than fielding and baserunning. They are all very important parts of the game.

Did you even read what he wrote?

 

[fred_1_15301]

Oliver Projections for 2014:

Choo 4.7 WAR

Gentry 4.4 WAR

The more and more I see stuff like this, the more and more convinced I am that defense and baserunning are overvalued in the WAR calculation. Yes, they're important. I get it. But, not to the level WAR puts them.

thats the point of WAR, to convince numbnuts like you who evaluate hitting more than fielding and baserunning. They are all very important parts of the game.

Did you even read what he wrote?

He usually doesn't.

 

[shadyridr]

Oliver Projections for 2014:

Choo 4.7 WAR

Gentry 4.4 WAR

The more and more I see stuff like this, the more and more convinced I am that defense and baserunning are overvalued in the WAR calculation. Yes, they're important. I get it. But, not to the level WAR puts them.

thats the point of WAR, to convince numbnuts like you who evaluate hitting more than fielding and baserunning. They are all very important parts of the game.

Did you even read what he wrote?

He usually doesn't.

come again

 

[Premier]

Price just sent Rays twitter on high alert with this one:

@DAVIDprice14: We have the best owners!! I love those guys...#rays #family

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Tanaka will be posted according to SC

 

[the moops]

guesses as to who signs him and for how much?

 

[shadyridr]

guesses as to who signs him and for how much?

so many teams desperate for pitching it wouldn't shock me if he gets one of the richest contracts for a pitcher in baseball. Something like 6 for 100

 

[dparker713]

guesses as to who signs him and for how much?

so many teams desperate for pitching it wouldn't shock me if he gets one of the richest contracts for a pitcher in baseball. Something like 6 for 100

So a total commitment of 120/6 with the posting fee?

How old is he? 26? Then that's about right on the years. But I think you're light on the AAV.

 

[Balco]

I think the Cubs get him. They have some big time hitting prospects close to the majors. They need pitching badly. He fits what they are looking for.

 

[shadyridr]

Ok i can see 6 yrs, 120 mil plus posting fee. And i say it comes down to yanks and cubs

 

[Billy Bats]

Ok i can see 6 yrs, 120 mil plus posting fee. And i say it comes down to yanks and cubs

Don't be shocked to see the Phils heavily involved.

 

[Paulymaggs]

Put me down for $160 mil total from the Mariners. Casey Close has a rep for driving his upper tier clients to the big markets though, so the Dodgers might get it done at $130mil total.

 

[Billy Bats]

Does the Japanese team keep every team's posting fee or just from the team that signs him?

 

[boubucarow]

Does the Japanese team keep every team's posting fee or just from the team that signs him?

Just the team that signs him.

I think it will be 20 per for 6 or 7 years. I think the Cubs are in a position to offer the best deal unless the Dodgers go nuts for some reason. But will he just take the best deal regardless of the teams ability to compete.

 

[the moops]

If the Sox can dump Peavy and/or Demspter they have plenty of space under the tax threshold to sign him to a 20 mil a year deal.

 

[SoCalBroncoFan]

If the Sox can dump Peavy and/or Demspter they have plenty of space under the tax threshold to sign him to a 20 mil a year deal.

Might they be a little gunshy to sign a Japanese pitcher after Dice K?

 

[Eephus]

If the Sox can dump Peavy and/or Demspter they have plenty of space under the tax threshold to sign him to a 20 mil a year deal.

Might they be a little gunshy to sign a Japanese pitcher after Dice K?

Uehara worked out pretty well

 

[Good Posting Judge]

If the Sox can dump Peavy and/or Demspter they have plenty of space under the tax threshold to sign him to a 20 mil a year deal.

Might they be a little gunshy to sign a Japanese pitcher after Dice K?

I doubt it.

6/120 sounds about right. Will be interesting to see where Garza, Santana and Jimenez slot in after he's gone. I think he goes to the Yanks.

 

[Annyong]

If the Sox can dump Peavy and/or Demspter they have plenty of space under the tax threshold to sign him to a 20 mil a year deal.

Might they be a little gunshy to sign a Japanese pitcher after Dice K?

I doubt it.

6/120 sounds about right. Will be interesting to see where Garza, Santana and Jimenez slot in after he's gone. I think he goes to the Yanks.

I think the Yankees drive up the price and end up signing 2 of Garza/Santana/Jimenez

 

[The Ref]

If the Sox can dump Peavy and/or Demspter they have plenty of space under the tax threshold to sign him to a 20 mil a year deal.

Might they be a little gunshy to sign a Japanese pitcher after Dice K?

Obviously the contract was a disaster, but Dice K did bring in a lot of exposure (and ad revenue) from Japan

 

[dparker713]

If the Sox can dump Peavy and/or Demspter they have plenty of space under the tax threshold to sign him to a 20 mil a year deal.

Might they be a little gunshy to sign a Japanese pitcher after Dice K?

Obviously the contract was a disaster, but Dice K did bring in a lot of exposure (and ad revenue) from Japan

The contract was bad, but I'm not sure it was a disaster. He probably earned his salary, or there abouts. When you include the positing fee it was about fifty cents on the dollar. Bad, but not an atrocity.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

If the Sox can dump Peavy and/or Demspter they have plenty of space under the tax threshold to sign him to a 20 mil a year deal.

Might they be a little gunshy to sign a Japanese pitcher after Dice K?

Obviously the contract was a disaster, but Dice K did bring in a lot of exposure (and ad revenue) from Japan

The contract was bad, but I'm not sure it was a disaster. He probably earned his salary, or there abouts. When you include the positing fee it was about fifty cents on the dollar. Bad, but not an atrocity.

The Giants faded Zito's awful contract. Teams with big payrolls can make mistakes and get away with them, but a Dice-K doesn't leave nearly as much room for error elsewhere.

 

[dparker713]

If the Sox can dump Peavy and/or Demspter they have plenty of space under the tax threshold to sign him to a 20 mil a year deal.

Might they be a little gunshy to sign a Japanese pitcher after Dice K?

Obviously the contract was a disaster, but Dice K did bring in a lot of exposure (and ad revenue) from Japan

The contract was bad, but I'm not sure it was a disaster. He probably earned his salary, or there abouts. When you include the positing fee it was about fifty cents on the dollar. Bad, but not an atrocity.

The Giants faded Zito's awful contract. Teams with big payrolls can make mistakes and get away with them, but a Dice-K doesn't leave nearly as much room for error elsewhere.

Atleast half of Dice K's deal wasn't subject to the luxury tax.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Question: A guy like Morales or Stephen Drew, who's market is greatly hampered by draft pick compensation, could one of those guys just go to Japan for a year and then come back the next year without the proverbial millstone around their neck? Youk got 5mm from Ratuken, which seems like about what he'd get in the states.

 

[Hilts]

Angels sign Mulder to a one year deal. Fine gamble but they guaranteed him 1 million dollars for some reason.