2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (3 Viewers)

[Andy Dufresne]

#1- You aren't trading with the FF community, you are trading within your league. If your league valued him at around pick 2.06, then that's approx. the value you should have given up. I think 1st rounder next year from the last place team this year is much, much more than that.

#2- Not really, it implies that one other owner somewhere between say pick 1.06 and 2.06 is willing to trade for more reasonable value. Granted, not a guarantee.

I totally understand how trading can be difficult, I'm in a league like that too, but I still have to imagine you could have gotten a better deal. As for the "Indian Giver", I'm assuming he's saying that because he's had some handshake-type agreements for trades that the other teams backed out of, so now he's sworn all dealing off, which is obviously silly.

Again, good luck.

#1 - But the league, in my mind and the minds of others not involved in the league, had him undervalued. And I didn't have the 2.06 to give up, I'd already used the 2.04 on Hunter.

#2 - No. The only spot that was up for trade at the time was the 2.6. Again, you're assuming that all teams are willing to trade picks. They're not.

 

[cstu]

#1- You aren't trading with the FF community, you are trading within your league. If your league valued him at around pick 2.06, then that's approx. the value you should have given up. I think 1st rounder next year from the last place team this year is much, much more than that.

#2- Not really, it implies that one other owner somewhere between say pick 1.06 and 2.06 is willing to trade for more reasonable value. Granted, not a guarantee.

I totally understand how trading can be difficult, I'm in a league like that too, but I still have to imagine you could have gotten a better deal. As for the "Indian Giver", I'm assuming he's saying that because he's had some handshake-type agreements for trades that the other teams backed out of, so now he's sworn all dealing off, which is obviously silly.

Again, good luck.

#1 - But the league, in my mind and the minds of others not involved in the league, had him undervalued. And I didn't have the 2.06 to give up, I'd already used the 2.04 on Hunter.

#2 - No. The only spot that was up for trade at the time was the 2.6. Again, you're assuming that all teams are willing to trade picks. They're not.

It's a risk Andy, that's all I can say. If he turns out to be a good player then all this is moot. I just lay the odds of it turning out in your favor at less than 50%.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

#1- You aren't trading with the FF community, you are trading within your league. If your league valued him at around pick 2.06, then that's approx. the value you should have given up. I think 1st rounder next year from the last place team this year is much, much more than that.

#2- Not really, it implies that one other owner somewhere between say pick 1.06 and 2.06 is willing to trade for more reasonable value. Granted, not a guarantee.

I totally understand how trading can be difficult, I'm in a league like that too, but I still have to imagine you could have gotten a better deal. As for the "Indian Giver", I'm assuming he's saying that because he's had some handshake-type agreements for trades that the other teams backed out of, so now he's sworn all dealing off, which is obviously silly.

Again, good luck.

#1 - But the league, in my mind and the minds of others not involved in the league, had him undervalued. And I didn't have the 2.06 to give up, I'd already used the 2.04 on Hunter.

#2 - No. The only spot that was up for trade at the time was the 2.6. Again, you're assuming that all teams are willing to trade picks. They're not.

It's a risk Andy, that's all I can say. If he turns out to be a good player then all this is moot. I just lay the odds of it turning out in your favor at less than 50%.

I think that's a stat that applies to most rookie picks.

Fun discussion!

 

[cstu]

Give:

Nicks, Hakeem NYG WRThompson, Chris WAS RBMcDonald, Vance SFO TEGet:

Jeffery, Alshon CHI WRMaclin, Jeremy PHI WRFinley, Jermichael GBP TE

Thought I would get killed for giving Nicks for a bunch of pieces.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Give:

Nicks, Hakeem NYG WRThompson, Chris WAS RBMcDonald, Vance SFO TEGet:

Jeffery, Alshon CHI WRMaclin, Jeremy PHI WRFinley, Jermichael GBP TE

Thought I would get killed for giving Nicks for a bunch of pieces.

I'm a fan of Maclin and Nicks' foot has to be a worry. At worst it's a wash but I also like Jeffery to take a step forward. Advantage you.

 

[Concept Coop]

Give:

Nicks, Hakeem NYG WRThompson, Chris WAS RBMcDonald, Vance SFO TEGet:

Jeffery, Alshon CHI WRMaclin, Jeremy PHI WRFinley, Jermichael GBP TE

Thought I would get killed for giving Nicks for a bunch of pieces.

I like Nicks and Vance, in this deal, myself. But I don't have a good read on Jeffery, so could certainly understand some liking him a lot more than I do. Also, I think Maclin is a good buy, too. His value shoots up the moment Vick is gone. It's been a while since I did the math, but I think he was on pace for a 85-90 catch season with Foles last year, pro-rated. He's a guy that needs a QB that can regularly hit him in stride at the first two levels. Vick's leash isn't long but his teeth are getting there (Get it?!).

Not a bad deal, but I personally prefer the Nicks side. I like Vance too.

 

[humpback]

#1- You aren't trading with the FF community, you are trading within your league. If your league valued him at around pick 2.06, then that's approx. the value you should have given up. I think 1st rounder next year from the last place team this year is much, much more than that.

#2- Not really, it implies that one other owner somewhere between say pick 1.06 and 2.06 is willing to trade for more reasonable value. Granted, not a guarantee.

I totally understand how trading can be difficult, I'm in a league like that too, but I still have to imagine you could have gotten a better deal. As for the "Indian Giver", I'm assuming he's saying that because he's had some handshake-type agreements for trades that the other teams backed out of, so now he's sworn all dealing off, which is obviously silly.

Again, good luck.

#1 - But the league, in my mind and the minds of others not involved in the league, had him undervalued. And I didn't have the 2.06 to give up, I'd already used the 2.04 on Hunter.

#2 - No. The only spot that was up for trade at the time was the 2.6. Again, you're assuming that all teams are willing to trade picks. They're not.

#1- I don't see how that's relevant. Why would you eagerly give up more value than what the league valued him at?

#2- Again, no I'm not. If you felt he was worth the 1.06, then the prudent thing to do would have been to inquire with every owner from that pick on and see if you could work out a deal. I'm assuming that at least one of them would have said "yes", and for less value than your #1 next year, but I admit that it's possible that there were no better options with any of those teams (including the one you dealt with). I understand it isn't a completely liquid market.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

#1- You aren't trading with the FF community, you are trading within your league. If your league valued him at around pick 2.06, then that's approx. the value you should have given up. I think 1st rounder next year from the last place team this year is much, much more than that.

#2- Not really, it implies that one other owner somewhere between say pick 1.06 and 2.06 is willing to trade for more reasonable value. Granted, not a guarantee.

I totally understand how trading can be difficult, I'm in a league like that too, but I still have to imagine you could have gotten a better deal. As for the "Indian Giver", I'm assuming he's saying that because he's had some handshake-type agreements for trades that the other teams backed out of, so now he's sworn all dealing off, which is obviously silly.

Again, good luck.

#1 - But the league, in my mind and the minds of others not involved in the league, had him undervalued. And I didn't have the 2.06 to give up, I'd already used the 2.04 on Hunter.

#2 - No. The only spot that was up for trade at the time was the 2.6. Again, you're assuming that all teams are willing to trade picks. They're not.

#1- I don't see how that's relevant. Why would you eagerly give up more value than what the league valued him at?

#2- Again, no I'm not. If you felt he was worth the 1.06, then the prudent thing to do would have been to inquire with every owner from that pick on and see if you could work out a deal. I'm assuming that at least one of them would have said "yes", and for less value than your #1 next year, but I admit that it's possible that there were no better options with of those teams (including the one you dealt with). I understand it isn't a completely liquid market.

#1 - Because I think the league is wrong.

I guess we'll see.

 

[humpback]

#1- You aren't trading with the FF community, you are trading within your league. If your league valued him at around pick 2.06, then that's approx. the value you should have given up. I think 1st rounder next year from the last place team this year is much, much more than that.

#2- Not really, it implies that one other owner somewhere between say pick 1.06 and 2.06 is willing to trade for more reasonable value. Granted, not a guarantee.

I totally understand how trading can be difficult, I'm in a league like that too, but I still have to imagine you could have gotten a better deal. As for the "Indian Giver", I'm assuming he's saying that because he's had some handshake-type agreements for trades that the other teams backed out of, so now he's sworn all dealing off, which is obviously silly.

Again, good luck.

#1 - But the league, in my mind and the minds of others not involved in the league, had him undervalued. And I didn't have the 2.06 to give up, I'd already used the 2.04 on Hunter.

#2 - No. The only spot that was up for trade at the time was the 2.6. Again, you're assuming that all teams are willing to trade picks. They're not.

#1- I don't see how that's relevant. Why would you eagerly give up more value than what the league valued him at?

#2- Again, no I'm not. If you felt he was worth the 1.06, then the prudent thing to do would have been to inquire with every owner from that pick on and see if you could work out a deal. I'm assuming that at least one of them would have said "yes", and for less value than your #1 next year, but I admit that it's possible that there were no better options with of those teams (including the one you dealt with). I understand it isn't a completely liquid market.

#1 - Because I think the league is wrong.

I guess we'll see.

I happen to agree with you (probably not to the same degree), but I still wouldn't have given up more than required for him. You didn't really take advantage of the league being "wrong" on him because you gave up too much value for the pick IMO. Personally, I wouldn't trade a 2014 1st round pick from this years last place team for Allen in a vacuum, and I certainly wouldn't give that up for the 2.06 pick in this draft.

Results wise you could still come out on top (I think it's less than 50/50), but value wise, I don't think it's that close. No worries though.

 

[humpback]

Give:

Nicks, Hakeem NYG WRThompson, Chris WAS RBMcDonald, Vance SFO TEGet:

Jeffery, Alshon CHI WRMaclin, Jeremy PHI WRFinley, Jermichael GBP TE

Thought I would get killed for giving Nicks for a bunch of pieces.

Lot's of question marks all around, I'd probably favor the Nicks side slightly, but seems fair.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I happen to agree with you (probably not to the same degree), but I still wouldn't have given up more than required for him. You didn't really take advantage of the league being "wrong" on him because you gave up too much value for the pick IMO. Personally, I wouldn't trade a 2014 1st round pick from this years last place team for Allen in a vacuum, and I certainly wouldn't give that up for the 2.06 pick in this draft.

Results wise you could still come out on top (I think it's less than 50/50), but value wise, I don't think it's that close. No worries though.

It don't look at the value that I gave for the pick I look at the value that I gave for the player.

It's as simple as this - I'd rather have the player than the pick. If I hadn't given the pick, I'd have not gotten the player. Ergo, I gave the pick for the player.

 

[imagroid]

bunch of deals I've done in the past week....

12 team PPR 2/3/1/flex

Gave: 1.2 (Lacy)

Got: Mathews, 2.8 (C. Michael)

Gave: McCoy/Lacy

Got: Spiller/Eifert/S Rice/M. Wheaton

Gave: M Austin

Got: Gore

A: 1.1 (Ball)

B: Michael Floyd/1.10 (Franklin)/2.2 (Wheaton)/2014 1st

Wasn't involved in the last one but thought it was interesting...and a ton to give up for Ball.

Superflex:

Gave: Tavon Austin

Got: 1.5(Patterson)/2.3(C. Michael)

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I dont like it in terms of value at all for this years draft, but its not a huge price to pay to make sure you go get the guy you wanted. I just dont like the value for you, and I also dont like Bell any more than Lacy/Bernard/Ball. Maybe one of them didnt make it to pick 5, but maybe you coulda just waited to see if Bell fell to 5, and if not then try and deal up for him if he was picked at 3 or 4.

In my experience, it's much more difficult to trade for a player made at a pick than it is to trade for the pick itself. People form an attachment to a player once they select him. I've never been able to successfully pull off a trade for a player just after they were drafted.

That's a huge overpay IMO Stick in the middle of the first and take BPA or even move down this year. A future 1st to trade up within a tier? Without a draft class like 2011 or 2012, that seems like a big-time value drain.

Firstly and probably most importantly, I didn't have Bell in the same tier as the rest of the guys left, and certainly not the WRs. I don't like any of the WRs this year, and with my team loaded at WR on top of that I saw an enormous difference between getting Bell and getting stuck with one of them.

Secondly, I think the tiering is extremely overused and is often, IMHO, a mistake in rookie drafts. This is something that I've been meaning to make a topic out of. It's an extension of a concept forced into a place where it doesn't fit as well. It works somewhat ok in regular drafts because you can be reasonably sure that most of the guys within the same tier are going to put up similar production. That is not the case in a rookie draft where the careers of guys within the same tier are going to vary wildly.

Some guys in the tier may go on and become a top 5-10 FF stud. Some are going to go on to become middling FF role players. Some are going to go on to become completely useless busts. How much more sleep at night do you think the Shonn Greene owner gets out of knowing that he got someone in the same tier as Shady McCoy instead of actually having Shady McCoy himself?

Last year I owned 1.04 through a trade from the year before and at 1.03 Doug Martin and David Wilson were still sitting on the board. Most had them in the same tier and would be happy to just sit at 1.04 and grab whichever one fell. I liked Martin more and wanted him, so I traded Stevie Johnson (my WR4) and 1.04 to move up to 1.03. I'm sure a lot of people saw the poor value in doing that, but having Martin instead of Wilson ended up being a LOT more valuable to me than having Stevie Johnson sitting on the bench. Martin is worth twenty Stevie Johnsons now. As far as this year's trade goes, I just went back and looked through the 1.10-1.12 picks made in that league's rookie drafts for the last 5 years and I found one guy out of all of them that would be a starter for me. That's 6.6%. I'm not going to miss out on a shot to get a guy that I believe can be a 21 year old workhorse running back over a 6% chance that I'm going to luck into a good player with next year's late 1st round pick.

When you have a tier of guys that you rank similarly in rookie drafts, if you like one even a little more it is worth it to give away a semi-useful piece to get them. Fantasy football championships aren't won with pieces and depth.

People make the mistake of associating "I like this guy with a little less" with "this guy is going to give me a few less fantasy points". The reality is more along the lines of "this guy has a better chance of being completely useless to me". I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the Chargers liked Peyton Manning a little bit more than Ryan Leaf, but were perfectly happy to not have to give anything up when they could still get a similar player without giving anything away. They didn't get a couple less yards and a few less TDs every year, they got a bunch of wasted money instead of one of the greatest players and franchise-changers in NFL history.

Obviously that is an extreme example, but don't assume that having 3 players in a tier means they're going to end up being 3 similar players. Man up, pick the one you think is going to be best, and go get him if you believe in him. Pieces and value in a rookie draft are great for building a paper champion that gets an 'A' draft grade in your post-draft writeup, but little else.

As far as this particular trade is concerned, the other risk involved is that I'm making the assumption that next year's pick will be a late one. Anything can happen in FF and there's no guarantee on that front but I'm pretty confident in my team. I'll be starting Matt Ryan, Doug Martin, DeMarco Murray, Calvin Johnson, Demaryius Thomas, Le'Veon Bell, and Rob Gronkowski with Jonathan Stewart and Larry Fitzgerald as the first two off the bench. Last six finishes have been 3rd, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 2nd.

 

[Concept Coop]

bunch of deals I've done in the past week....

12 team PPR 2/3/1/flex

Gave: 1.2 (Lacy)

Got: Mathews, 2.8 (C. Michael)

Gave: McCoy/Lacy

Got: Spiller/Eifert/S Rice/M. Wheaton

Gave: M Austin

Got: Gore

A: 1.1 (Ball)

B: Michael Floyd/1.10 (Franklin)/2.2 (Wheaton)/2014 1st

Wasn't involved in the last one but thought it was interesting...and a ton to give up for Ball.

Superflex:

Gave: Tavon Austin

Got: 1.5(Patterson)/2.3(C. Michael)

I like most of these deals for you, as I like Michael, and Wheaton as 2nd round targets.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

But it's not bad. I didn't trade it for the 2.06. I traded for Keenan Allen.

That's a fair point, and I suppose my response was weighted a bit by me not particularly liking Allen. It just feels like we see this story every year, but if you're that big a believer in Allen then by all means go get him. If he ends up being what you think he is then it will certainly be worth it.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

A: 1.1 (Ball)B: Michael Floyd/1.10 (Franklin)/2.2 (Wheaton)/2014 1st

If I could get that for the 1.1 I'd do it in a heartbeat.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

But it's not bad. I didn't trade it for the 2.06. I traded for Keenan Allen.

That's a fair point, and I suppose my response was weighted a bit by me not particularly liking Allen. It just feels like we see this story every year, but if you're that big a believer in Allen then by all means go get him. If he ends up being what you think he is then it will certainly be worth it.

That's really what it comes down to. If you like Allen then you probably generally favor it. If you don't, you'd rather have Player TBN Later.

 

[humpback]

I happen to agree with you (probably not to the same degree), but I still wouldn't have given up more than required for him. You didn't really take advantage of the league being "wrong" on him because you gave up too much value for the pick IMO. Personally, I wouldn't trade a 2014 1st round pick from this years last place team for Allen in a vacuum, and I certainly wouldn't give that up for the 2.06 pick in this draft.

Results wise you could still come out on top (I think it's less than 50/50), but value wise, I don't think it's that close. No worries though.

It don't look at the value that I gave for the pick I look at the value that I gave for the player.

It's as simple as this - I'd rather have the player than the pick. If I hadn't given the pick, I'd have not gotten the player. Ergo, I gave the pick for the player.

This is the part I don't necessarily agree with. If you're telling me you exhausted every possible trade option from all of the teams picking from 2.06 and lower (including the team you eventually dealt with), and there wasn't a single other option besides to give up your #1 next year for pick 2.06, then I'd probably agree with you. I have a feeling this isn't the case, but I admit I could be wrong. We also don't know where he would have been drafted if you didn't trade for the pick and take him there.

That's really what it comes down to. If you like Allen then you probably generally favor it. If you don't, you'd rather have Player TBN Later.

I like Allen, but don't favor the trade. Just about value to me.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I happen to agree with you (probably not to the same degree), but I still wouldn't have given up more than required for him. You didn't really take advantage of the league being "wrong" on him because you gave up too much value for the pick IMO. Personally, I wouldn't trade a 2014 1st round pick from this years last place team for Allen in a vacuum, and I certainly wouldn't give that up for the 2.06 pick in this draft. Results wise you could still come out on top (I think it's less than 50/50), but value wise, I don't think it's that close. No worries though.

It don't look at the value that I gave for the pick I look at the value that I gave for the player. It's as simple as this - I'd rather have the player than the pick. If I hadn't given the pick, I'd have not gotten the player. Ergo, I gave the pick for the player.

This is the part I don't necessarily agree with. If you're telling me you exhausted every possible trade option from all of the teams picking from 2.06 and lower (including the team you eventually dealt with), and there wasn't a single other option besides to give up your #1 next year for pick 2.06, then I'd probably agree with you. I have a feeling this isn't the case, but I admit I could be wrong. We also don't know where he would have been drafted if you didn't trade for the pick and take him there

What?

 

[humpback]

I happen to agree with you (probably not to the same degree), but I still wouldn't have given up more than required for him. You didn't really take advantage of the league being "wrong" on him because you gave up too much value for the pick IMO. Personally, I wouldn't trade a 2014 1st round pick from this years last place team for Allen in a vacuum, and I certainly wouldn't give that up for the 2.06 pick in this draft. Results wise you could still come out on top (I think it's less than 50/50), but value wise, I don't think it's that close. No worries though.

It don't look at the value that I gave for the pick I look at the value that I gave for the player. It's as simple as this - I'd rather have the player than the pick. If I hadn't given the pick, I'd have not gotten the player. Ergo, I gave the pick for the player.

This is the part I don't necessarily agree with. If you're telling me you exhausted every possible trade option from all of the teams picking from 2.06 and lower (including the team you eventually dealt with), and there wasn't a single other option besides to give up your #1 next year for pick 2.06, then I'd probably agree with you. I have a feeling this isn't the case, but I admit I could be wrong. We also don't know where he would have been drafted if you didn't trade for the pick and take him there

What?

Did you try trading with all of the other teams? By lower, I mean earlier picks, not sure if that's the confusion.

 

[gianmarco]

Holy cow, can we leave this trade alone already? It's been well over a page. On paper, the value is horrible. Andy likes it which is all that matters in the end.

 

[cstu]

Give:

Nicks, Hakeem NYG WRThompson, Chris WAS RBMcDonald, Vance SFO TEGet:

Jeffery, Alshon CHI WRMaclin, Jeremy PHI WRFinley, Jermichael GBP TE

Thought I would get killed for giving Nicks for a bunch of pieces.

I like Nicks and Vance, in this deal, myself. But I don't have a good read on Jeffery, so could certainly understand some liking him a lot more than I do. Also, I think Maclin is a good buy, too. His value shoots up the moment Vick is gone. It's been a while since I did the math, but I think he was on pace for a 85-90 catch season with Foles last year, pro-rated. He's a guy that needs a QB that can regularly hit him in stride at the first two levels. Vick's leash isn't long but his teeth are getting there (Get it?!).

Not a bad deal, but I personally prefer the Nicks side. I like Vance too.

I didn't want to give up Vance but I already have Ladarius Green, Jordan Reed and Taylor Thompson as my developmental TE's. I'm probably higher on Jeffery than most since I think two WR's can be productive in Chicago and he's built like a #1 WR.

Hope you're right about Maclin, he's always seems to do enough to give you hope and then go back to middling numbers. We'll see what happens when Vick gets sent to the pound.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Holy cow, can we leave this trade alone already? It's been well over a page. On paper, the value is horrible. Andy likes it which is all that matters in the end.

Depends on how much you value Allen.

Spoiler

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

Holy cow, can we leave this trade alone already? It's been well over a page. On paper, the value is horrible. Andy likes it which is all that matters in the end.

nope I prefer to keep reading about that trade because it hasn't been looked at from every single angle as of yet#sarcasm Its a perceived value conflict in my opinion... I fall on the side of we really don't know exactly how much or how little people value the rookies coming in ESPECIALLY in early rookie drafts like this one... I can see mr. dufresne sitting there wringing his hands as a player he really likes (Allen) continues to drop... he clearly liked Hunter more whom he drafted at 2.4 and when Allen was STILL there at 2.6 its clear that OTHERS didn't value him as much as he did but if you have a strong conviction on a player why not pay what YOU feel would A.) make sure you got the deal done & B.) not overpay for where YOU value the player you will take with that pick Its no different than seeing a player with a higher rd grade from the scouting dept. of TEAM A trade UP with TEAM B who clearly doesn't feel the same about the targeted player.I believe a lot of people are also missing a key pt where mr. dufresne is TYPICALLY in the past a top 3 team but through a perfect storm last yr he finished near or at the bottom of the league... He clearly does not expect to finish there again this season so in his mind he is giving up a late 1st rd pick... perhaps the TEAM B guy he traded with thinks dufresne is an idiot because dufresne finished last THIS season and TEAM B likes his chances of the 2014 1st rd pick being a top 4 or top 5 selection. I for one like the forward thinking and strong conviction that it would take for dufresne to make this trade and then select keenan allen Many people dropped Blackmon way down in "value" last yr in drafts that took place soon after his DUI... doesn't mean that the talent would be deserving of a top 5 pick if he kept clean and motivated but it just means people weren't willing to stick their neck out for him with those questions surrounding him... prior to about a wk ago it looked pretty smart for the people who snatched up Blackmon despite some of his red flags... now it looks like his "issues" may be a little more serious but for about the last half of last season and before his latest run-in his "value" was ascending to ridiculous levels. Its all about risk management and in this case Dufresne clearly felt comfortable taking a shot on somebody that he believes in rather than staying with the group thinking mentality. I agree if everybody in his league had a sign on their forehead that says "hey everyone I value Keenan Allen as NO BETTER than the 2.6 pick" but in reality we really don't know how others are truly valuing each player (for the most part this is true regarding what other owners are thinking about guys with question marks about health or otherwise) We can assume all we'd like that people value players close to the way that we do but it is always surprising to me that people can make a blanket "it doesn't meet the value chart" statement... Those "value charts" are to be used as a guide and TRUE when you follow those charts more than likely you are minimizing your risk of making a mistake that can set you back but if you take a chance and it pays off then what do you care what others TRULY think about the trade. Maybe it works out for Dufresne and maybe it doesn't... I believe the risk that he took is higher than most would be willing to take Wolves Don't Lose Sleep Over the Opinions of Sheep (please note I'm not calling any of you sheep)

 

[IHEARTFF]

Torrey Smith and LeVeon Bell

for

Colin Kaepernick

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

Torrey Smith and LeVeon Bell

for

Colin Kaepernick

I prefer Kaepernick... especially if its a 6 pts for all TDs league

 

[IHEARTFF]

Torrey Smith and LeVeon Bell

for

Colin Kaepernick

I prefer Kaepernick... especially if its a 6 pts for all TDs league

Yes, non-ppr, 6 pt passing TDs.

 

[ghostguy123]

2 trades in a 14 Team NON-PPR QB,RB,RB,WR,WR,TE,Flex,Flex(can't flex QB)Team A gives RidleyTeam B gives Garçon and 2013 1.09Team B gives Crabtree and 2013 3.09Team C gives Freeman and TammeThoughts here guys?

Thanks for the replies guys. This is the first year s second Flex is added to the starting lineups. Since this is a 14 team non-PPR league, RBs are like gold. How do you guys think the extra flex affects this trade and the league in general? And I'm not involved in either trade for the record.

No league structure out there can make the Crabtree deal look anything but horrible, not even a 2 QB league

 

[ghostguy123]

12 team PPR dynasty, 1.5 PPR for Tight Ends

Adrian Peterson

4th rounder

for

Greg Jennings

Fred Jackson

pick 3

pick 8

I personally see this is a cheap for Peterson, especially when Harvin and Pitta was turned down.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Peterson for two guys on the downside of their career and a couple magic beans? Yeah, that's pretty cheap.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

12 team PPR dynasty, 1.5 PPR for Tight Ends

Adrian Peterson

4th rounder

for

Greg Jennings

Fred Jackson

pick 3

pick 8

I personally see this is a cheap for Peterson, especially when Harvin and Pitta was turned down.

yes too cheap probably... Harvin & Pitta turned down? Geez... maybe this guy still thinks Fred Jackson is a starter and Greg Jennings still plays with Aaron Rodgers!!

OR this guy thinks he can snatch up future HOFers Gavin Escobar & Gino Smith with picks 1.3 & 1.8!!

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

Torrey Smith and LeVeon Bell

for

Colin Kaepernick

I prefer Kaepernick... especially if its a 6 pts for all TDs league

Yes, non-ppr, 6 pt passing TDs.

then yeah I REALLY like it for Kaepernick side...

Even in a Vacuum I cant see a scenario where the other side would be better... even if they were starting Cam Newton or Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees I gotta think they could have gotten MUCH more for Kaepernick in a league like this.

 

[Spike]

A: 1.1 (Ball)B: Michael Floyd/1.10 (Franklin)/2.2 (Wheaton)/2014 1st

If I could get that for the 1.1 I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Absolutely. (As said by Stallone in the "Rocky" voice.)

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Two different leagues but both are 12 team ppr QB / 2RB / 3WR / TE / FL

• Team C gave up Sanders, Emmanuel PIT WR; Welker, Wes DEN WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.03 (Andre Ellington); Year 2014 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team C
• Team M gave up Lacy, Eddie GBP RB; Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team M (2012 League Champ, but not necessarily the best team)

======================================================================================================================

• Team N gave up Burleson, Nate DET WR;Welker, Wes DEN WR
• Team S gave up Jennings, Greg MIN WR;Wheaton, Markus PIT WR

 

[cstu]

12 team PPR dynasty, 1.5 PPR for Tight Ends

Adrian Peterson

4th rounder

for

Greg Jennings

Fred Jackson

pick 3

pick 8

I personally see this is a cheap for Peterson, especially when Harvin and Pitta was turned down.

yes too cheap probably... Harvin & Pitta turned down? Geez... maybe this guy still thinks Fred Jackson is a starter and Greg Jennings still plays with Aaron Rodgers!!

OR this guy thinks he can snatch up future HOFers Gavin Escobar & Gino Smith with picks 1.3 & 1.8!!

If the 3 is Eifert and he turned into stud TE it doesn't look so bad. I also like the 1.8 since it means either Bell, Lacy or Hopkins. I still like Jennings though.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

12 team PPR dynasty, 1.5 PPR for Tight Ends

Adrian Peterson

4th rounder

for

Greg Jennings

Fred Jackson

pick 3

pick 8

I personally see this is a cheap for Peterson, especially when Harvin and Pitta was turned down.

yes too cheap probably... Harvin & Pitta turned down? Geez... maybe this guy still thinks Fred Jackson is a starter and Greg Jennings still plays with Aaron Rodgers!!

OR this guy thinks he can snatch up future HOFers Gavin Escobar & Gino Smith with picks 1.3 & 1.8!!

If the 3 is Eifert and he turned into stud TE it doesn't look so bad. I also like the 1.8 since it means either Bell, Lacy or Hopkins. I still like Jennings though.

Yeah but Jennings has Ponder Suck as his QB... and I don't like Suck so much... plus Bell is projected to be gone by pick 1.2 in my dynasty league... I get your pt and its not a talent thing with Jennings and I like Eifert but I still wouldn't trade for Freddie J... I'm hoping for the previous Peterson owner that he is already stacked at RB and he had a need on his roster to take some young talent that he is willing to wait on, otherwise I think its not a good deal.

 

[ghostguy123]

12 team PPR dynasty, 1.5 PPR for Tight Ends

Adrian Peterson

4th rounder

for

Greg Jennings

Fred Jackson

pick 3

pick 8

I personally see this is a cheap for Peterson, especially when Harvin and Pitta was turned down.

yes too cheap probably... Harvin & Pitta turned down? Geez... maybe this guy still thinks Fred Jackson is a starter and Greg Jennings still plays with Aaron Rodgers!!

OR this guy thinks he can snatch up future HOFers Gavin Escobar & Gino Smith with picks 1.3 & 1.8!!

If the 3 is Eifert and he turned into stud TE it doesn't look so bad. I also like the 1.8 since it means either Bell, Lacy or Hopkins. I still like Jennings though.

Yeah but Jennings has Ponder Suck as his QB... and I don't like Suck so much... plus Bell is projected to be gone by pick 1.2 in my dynasty league... I get your pt and its not a talent thing with Jennings and I like Eifert but I still wouldn't trade for Freddie J... I'm hoping for the previous Peterson owner that he is already stacked at RB and he had a need on his roster to take some young talent that he is willing to wait on, otherwise I think its not a good deal.

He is NOT stacked at RB. He was very good at RB before this deal though.

"if" Eifert......................"if" some guys drop to 8 (which Bell and Lacy wont)............................lot of "ifs" is a draft without elite talent for the best RB in the league.

Plus, the guy never even said he was shopping Peterson. Major poor move not doing that.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

12 team PPR dynasty, 1.5 PPR for Tight Ends

Adrian Peterson

4th rounder

for

Greg Jennings

Fred Jackson

pick 3

pick 8

I personally see this is a cheap for Peterson, especially when Harvin and Pitta was turned down.

yes too cheap probably... Harvin & Pitta turned down? Geez... maybe this guy still thinks Fred Jackson is a starter and Greg Jennings still plays with Aaron Rodgers!!

OR this guy thinks he can snatch up future HOFers Gavin Escobar & Gino Smith with picks 1.3 & 1.8!!

If the 3 is Eifert and he turned into stud TE it doesn't look so bad. I also like the 1.8 since it means either Bell, Lacy or Hopkins. I still like Jennings though.

Yeah but Jennings has Ponder Suck as his QB... and I don't like Suck so much... plus Bell is projected to be gone by pick 1.2 in my dynasty league... I get your pt and its not a talent thing with Jennings and I like Eifert but I still wouldn't trade for Freddie J... I'm hoping for the previous Peterson owner that he is already stacked at RB and he had a need on his roster to take some young talent that he is willing to wait on, otherwise I think its not a good deal.

He is NOT stacked at RB. He was very good at RB before this deal though.

"if" Eifert......................"if" some guys drop to 8 (which Bell and Lacy wont)............................lot of "ifs" is a draft without elite talent for the best RB in the league.

Plus, the guy never even said he was shopping Peterson. Major poor move not doing that.

yeah that's terrible

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

Just came down the wire...

12 Team, Non-PPR, No IDP

10yds/pt rushing & receiving

30yds/pt kickoff & punt returns

6pts per TD across all positions

QB RB RB WR WR WR TE K DEF

Team A gives...

Denarius Moore (WR)

Dwayne Harris (WR)

DuJuan Harris (RB)

1st Rd Pick (2014) (most likely LATE pick)

2.11 pick (2013)

.

.for

.

Team B gives...

Jonathan Stewart (RB)

DeAngelo Williams (RB)

Golden Tate (WR)

3rd Rd Pick (2014) (most likely early)

.

.

.

Im Team A... Moore wouldn't start for my team as I already have Harvin, Demaryius, Julio, & Josh Gordon

Behind my starting RB duo of McFadden & Muscle Hamster I've got Bilal Powell & LeGarette Blount so I felt like I needed to AT LEAST get some depth behind those 2 starters...

Any thoughts on this trade? Im curious as to how others are valuing Denarius Moore and/or Jonathan Stewart or DeAngelo Williams

still no thoughts on this trade?

 

[mashedbananas]

1 QB 1 RB 3 WR 1 TE 1 Flex (RB/WR/TE) All TDs 5 points, half a point per reception

Gave:

1.3

Kaepernick

D Richardson

DeSean Jackson

Got:

Julio

2.5

Starting Lineup

QB Matt Ryan

RB Doug Martin

Flex J Charles

WR Julio

WR Percy

WR J Nelson

TE Owen Daniels

Don't have much of a bench left though. Ballard, B Pierce and E Sanders are about all i got on the bench

 

[cstu]

Julio by a good margin IMO.

 

[cstu]

Just came down the wire...

12 Team, Non-PPR, No IDP

10yds/pt rushing & receiving

30yds/pt kickoff & punt returns

6pts per TD across all positions

QB RB RB WR WR WR TE K DEF

Team A gives...

Denarius Moore (WR)

Dwayne Harris (WR)

DuJuan Harris (RB)

1st Rd Pick (2014) (most likely LATE pick)

2.11 pick (2013)

.

.for

.

Team B gives...

Jonathan Stewart (RB)

DeAngelo Williams (RB)

Golden Tate (WR)

3rd Rd Pick (2014) (most likely early)

.

.

.

Im Team A... Moore wouldn't start for my team as I already have Harvin, Demaryius, Julio, & Josh Gordon

Behind my starting RB duo of McFadden & Muscle Hamster I've got Bilal Powell & LeGarette Blount so I felt like I needed to AT LEAST get some depth behind those 2 starters...

Any thoughts on this trade? Im curious as to how others are valuing Denarius Moore and/or Jonathan Stewart or DeAngelo Williams

still no thoughts on this trade?

I'm not a fan of giving up 1st's to gain depth before the season. You're usually better off waiting until you need a player in-season because there will be teams out of contention looking to acquire picks.

 

[Bamac]

12 team PPR dynasty, 1.5 PPR for Tight Ends Adrian Peterson4th rounder for Greg JenningsFred Jacksonpick 3pick 8 I personally see this is a cheap for Peterson, especially when Harvin and Pitta was turned down.

I dealt Peterson for more than that this time last year, before we knew he is immune to acl tears.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Generally agree with this, but still like this trade for him. Depth is a necessity, not a luxury for a McFadden owner. And Stewart (and maybe even DeAngelo) is more than mere depth. A single 1st plus a few spare parts isn't that much to pay IMO.

Just came down the wire... 12 Team, Non-PPR, No IDP10yds/pt rushing & receiving30yds/pt kickoff & punt returns6pts per TD across all positionsQB RB RB WR WR WR TE K DEF Team A gives...Denarius Moore (WR)Dwayne Harris (WR)DuJuan Harris (RB)1st Rd Pick (2014) (most likely LATE pick)2.11 pick (2013)..for.Team B gives...Jonathan Stewart (RB)DeAngelo Williams (RB)Golden Tate (WR)3rd Rd Pick (2014) (most likely early)... Im Team A... Moore wouldn't start for my team as I already have Harvin, Demaryius, Julio, & Josh GordonBehind my starting RB duo of McFadden & Muscle Hamster I've got Bilal Powell & LeGarette Blount so I felt like I needed to AT LEAST get some depth behind those 2 starters...

Any thoughts on this trade? Im curious as to how others are valuing Denarius Moore and/or Jonathan Stewart or DeAngelo Williams

still no thoughts on this trade?

I'm not a fan of giving up 1st's to gain depth before the season. You're usually better off waiting until you need a player in-season because there will be teams out of contention looking to acquire picks.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

1 QB 1 RB 3 WR 1 TE 1 Flex (RB/WR/TE) All TDs 5 points, half a point per reception

Gave:

1.3

Kaepernick

D Richardson

DeSean Jackson

Got:

Julio

2.5

Starting Lineup

QB Matt Ryan

RB Doug Martin

Flex J Charles

WR Julio

WR Percy

WR J Nelson

TE Owen Daniels

Don't have much of a bench left though. Ballard, B Pierce and E Sanders are about all i got on the bench

This is one of those ones that looks iffy on first look, but given the starting lineup settings I think you made out really well. Julio's gotta be worth a fortune in a league with that setup.

 

[Phenix]

• Joe C's Midget Killers gave up Rivers, Philip SDC QB; Ballard, Vick IND RB; Ridley, Stevan NEP RB; Vereen, Shane NEP RB
• Kiss My Ring gave up Brady, Tom NEP QB; Bush, Michael CHI RB; James, Mike TBB RB; Sproles, Darren NOS RB

Thoughts?

 

[cstu]

Generally agree with this, but still like this trade for him. Depth is a necessity, not a luxury for a McFadden owner. And Stewart (and maybe even DeAngelo) is more than mere depth. A single 1st plus a few spare parts isn't that much to pay IMO.

I just think that a 1st gets him a better RB than Stewart when McFadden goes down. I'd rather have the in-season flexibility rather than making the move now.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

[*]Joe C's Midget Killers gave up Rivers, Philip SDC QB; Ballard, Vick IND RB; Ridley, Stevan NEP RB; Vereen, Shane NEP RB

[*]Kiss My Ring gave up Brady, Tom NEP QB; Bush, Michael CHI RB; James, Mike TBB RB; Sproles, Darren NOS RB

Thoughts?

Brady and Sproles are the two best players, so I'll take that side.

 

[Phenix]

[*]Joe C's Midget Killers gave up Rivers, Philip SDC QB; Ballard, Vick IND RB; Ridley, Stevan NEP RB; Vereen, Shane NEP RB

[*]Kiss My Ring gave up Brady, Tom NEP QB; Bush, Michael CHI RB; James, Mike TBB RB; Sproles, Darren NOS RB

Thoughts?

Brady and Sproles are the two best players, so I'll take that side.

Hmmm, I guess some can look at it that way. I just aquired Brees so wanted to move Brady. Ridley is better then Sproles and far younger, Vereen as the cuff is better then Bush. Ballard over james but guess the brady over Rivers difference is enough to cover the gap.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I don't agree on Sproles vs. Ridley, assuming PPR. I don't think Ridley's position as the starting two-down/Goal line RB is secure enough, nor his touches consistent enough, to be worth more than Sproles despite the age difference.