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2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (3 Viewers)

Give me the Julio side. Marshall won't see two million targets again next season and has already reached an age where a lot of people don't want him.

Jennings is a good player, but it's tough see great things in his immediate future with Ponder under center.

Even if you think Julio won't score top 5 numbers, you can trade him for just about anyone right now.

 
Some interesting ones in a 12 Team Devy PPR with 6 Pt all TD

Team A Gave: M Ryan, C Givens, Dev 1.6

Team B Gave: M Crabtree

Team C Gave: D McFadden, K Rudolph, A Jeffery, R Randle, D Richardson

Team D Gave: Cal Johnson
I would want at least one decent player back if I trade Calvin.
A classic five nickels for a dollar type of trade.

Team C got some decent assets, but nothing concrete. Not a single one of those guys is a top 35 startup pick and that's a problem when you surrender a guy like Calvin. If I were going to trade him I would want an established superstar in his prime or at least a package that included a top flight "next big thing" candidate like Marqise Lee or Justin Blackmon. Too much risk that you're left holding an empty bag when the dust settles on guys like Jeffery/Richardson/Randle.

 
12 team 24 roster PPR

I gave:

Johnson, Chris TEN RB

Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.02

Dalton, Andy CIN QBJean, Lestar HOU WR

I got:

Harvin, Percy SEA WR

Henne, Chad JAC QBTebow, Tim NYJ QB

Notes: Henne/Tebow were throw ins to even the rosters. I have nothing at WR and had tried to move Johnson and the 1.02 separately for a good young WR without success.

 
Some interesting ones in a 12 Team Devy PPR with 6 Pt all TD

Team A Gave: M Ryan, C Givens, Dev 1.6

Team B Gave: M Crabtree

Team C Gave: D McFadden, K Rudolph, A Jeffery, R Randle, D Richardson

Team D Gave: Cal Johnson
I would want at least one decent player back if I trade Calvin.
A classic five nickels for a dollar type of trade.

Team C got some decent assets, but nothing concrete. Not a single one of those guys is a top 35 startup pick and that's a problem when you surrender a guy like Calvin. If I were going to trade him I would want an established superstar in his prime or at least a package that included a top flight "next big thing" candidate like Marqise Lee or Justin Blackmon. Too much risk that you're left holding an empty bag when the dust settles on guys like Jeffery/Richardson/Randle.
Not true. We know you hate McFadden and don't think he is even in the top 70, but in start up drafts he has been consistently going in the 3rd round (as early as late 2nd, usually 3.01-3.05, and rarely not more than late 3rd).

 
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12 team 24 roster PPR I gave: Johnson, Chris TEN RBYear 2013 Draft Pick 1.02 Dalton, Andy CIN QBJean, Lestar HOU WR I got: Harvin, Percy SEA WRHenne, Chad JAC QBTebow, Tim NYJ QB Notes: Henne/Tebow were throw ins to even the rosters. I have nothing at WR and had tried to move Johnson and the 1.02 separately for a good young WR without success.
I think you gave way too much. I personally think Dalton is a perennial pro bowler in the making. Then u also gave a 1.02?! I dunno. I think that trade comes back to haunt you. For your sake I hope Im wrong. There's a lot of uncertainty with Harvin to give that much, imo.
 
12 team 24 roster PPR I gave: Johnson, Chris TEN RBYear 2013 Draft Pick 1.02 Dalton, Andy CIN QBJean, Lestar HOU WR I got: Harvin, Percy SEA WRHenne, Chad JAC QBTebow, Tim NYJ QB Notes: Henne/Tebow were throw ins to even the rosters. I have nothing at WR and had tried to move Johnson and the 1.02 separately for a good young WR without success.
I think you gave way too much. I personally think Dalton is a perennial pro bowler in the making. Then u also gave a 1.02?! I dunno. I think that trade comes back to haunt you. For your sake I hope Im wrong. There's a lot of uncertainty with Harvin to give that much, imo.
I do think he overpaid in the total value of what he gave in terms of where guys would get picked in startup draft...................but I think this deal will start to haunt the guy giving up Harvin soon enough. CJ is close to being fairly worthless IMO, maybe a year away from that. There will be some good players from this draft, but who?? And who would he draft at 2?? My guess is probably NOT a stud. And to me, Dalton is not a guy that starts for a good fantasy team.

I personally wouldn't have made that deal and would have tried to deal Cj straight up for a good WR, but I can't blame him at all and if you were to tell me to pick one side of this and then I wasnt aloud to ever again trade anyone from either side.........I take Harvin side.

 
12 team 24 roster PPR I gave: Johnson, Chris TEN RBYear 2013 Draft Pick 1.02 Dalton, Andy CIN QBJean, Lestar HOU WR I got: Harvin, Percy SEA WRHenne, Chad JAC QBTebow, Tim NYJ QB Notes: Henne/Tebow were throw ins to even the rosters. I have nothing at WR and had tried to move Johnson and the 1.02 separately for a good young WR without success.
I think you gave way too much. I personally think Dalton is a perennial pro bowler in the making. Then u also gave a 1.02?! I dunno. I think that trade comes back to haunt you. For your sake I hope Im wrong. There's a lot of uncertainty with Harvin to give that much, imo.
Looks about right to me for Harvin. By your response, it looks like you have Harvin = Chris Johnson and Dalton, which would be far too little for Harvin imo.

 
Just made this deal, 14 teamer. 2 ppr for TE, 1 for WR, 0 for RB. Starting requirements: 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 receivers (WR or TE), 2 flex.

Team A gets Hakeem NIcks, Jermaine Gresham, 1.14 pick.

Team B gets LeSean McCoy.

 
12 team 24 roster PPR I gave: Johnson, Chris TEN RBYear 2013 Draft Pick 1.02 Dalton, Andy CIN QBJean, Lestar HOU WR I got: Harvin, Percy SEA WRHenne, Chad JAC QBTebow, Tim NYJ QB Notes: Henne/Tebow were throw ins to even the rosters. I have nothing at WR and had tried to move Johnson and the 1.02 separately for a good young WR without success.
I think you gave way too much. I personally think Dalton is a perennial pro bowler in the making. Then u also gave a 1.02?! I dunno. I think that trade comes back to haunt you. For your sake I hope Im wrong. There's a lot of uncertainty with Harvin to give that much, imo.
I would give that for Harvin

 
Marshall won't see two million targets again next season...
What makes you say this? Looking at his career target numbers per game, last year isn't much of an outlier. I think he's as safe a bet for 175 targets as anyone.
Therein lies the rub. Nobody in the NFL is a safe bet for 175 targets. Last year Marshall had 194. That's about 35 targets more than his career average (excluding his rookie year).

Much like Calvin, he was the beneficiary of his team's misfortune. Calvin got so many looks towards the end of last season because Detroit had no running game and their WR corps disintegrated over the course of the season (Burleson, Young, Broyles). With Reggie Bush in the fold and probably at least one healthy receiver around to take off the pressure, you can bet that he won't exceed 200+ targets again this year. Probably closer to 150-160.

Similar story with the Bears. Last year they had no viable threat at TE and only one other remotely good WR, a rookie hampered by injuries. Jeffery will be more experienced this year and should be healthier. His looks could double. They've added Martellus Bennett to shore up the TE position. I wouldn't be surprised if they dipped into the draft to add a slot guy or a deep threat. Unless they switch gears and become a pass-heavy team, I don't see another 194 targets in the cards for Marshall this year. Probably more like 150-165. I've had him in one league for years and I've been looking to move him because I think his 2012 numbers were inflated. No takers, unfortunately. Not even for Blackmon straight up or combined with Pitta for Graham. Players like this go high in startup drafts, but they can be extremely difficult to trade. A big part of the reason why I like the Julio side.

 
Marshall won't see two million targets again next season...
What makes you say this? Looking at his career target numbers per game, last year isn't much of an outlier. I think he's as safe a bet for 175 targets as anyone.
Therein lies the rub. Nobody in the NFL is a safe bet for 175 targets. Last year Marshall had 194. That's about 35 targets more than his career average (excluding his rookie year).

Much like Calvin, he was the beneficiary of his team's misfortune. Calvin got so many looks towards the end of last season because Detroit had no running game and their WR corps disintegrated over the course of the season (Burleson, Young, Broyles). With Reggie Bush in the fold and probably at least one healthy receiver around to take off the pressure, you can bet that he won't exceed 200+ targets again this year. Probably closer to 150-160.

Similar story with the Bears. Last year they had no viable threat at TE and only one other remotely good WR, a rookie hampered by injuries. Jeffery will be more experienced this year and should be healthier. His looks could double. They've added Martellus Bennett to shore up the TE position. I wouldn't be surprised if they dipped into the draft to add a slot guy or a deep threat. Unless they switch gears and become a pass-heavy team, I don't see another 194 targets in the cards for Marshall this year. Probably more like 150-165. I've had him in one league for years and I've been looking to move him because I think his 2012 numbers were inflated. No takers, unfortunately. Not even for Blackmon straight up or combined with Pitta for Graham. Players like this go high in startup drafts, but they can be extremely difficult to trade. A big part of the reason why I like the Julio side.
His career average matters little to me; he's not in Miami. And he missed games in his time in Denver. I'm talking about targets per game. Look at his targets/game with Cutler - 2012 was simply more of the same. And if 29 is old - might as well start shopping Calvin. Then Julio in a couple years.

 
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12 Team PPR League:

Gave:Marshall, Jennings, Vernon

Got:

Julio Jones
I think Julio is elite, but he's not going to match Marshall's short term production any time soon, in my opinion, which makes this deal close.

The trade works based on ADP, so it's a good price to pay for Julio, based on market value. And if I was stacked and had the luxury of making this move, I'd likely do it. But for most rosters, I'd take Marshall, Jennings, and Davis.
Not sure about the difference in production, it was primarily based on Marshall's massive number of targets. Marshall outscored Julio by 28% but had 52% more targets. If Marshall has a few less targets and Julio a few more then they will probably produce similar numbers.

 
12 Team PPR League:

Gave:Marshall, Jennings, Vernon

Got:

Julio Jones
I think Julio is elite, but he's not going to match Marshall's short term production any time soon, in my opinion, which makes this deal close.

The trade works based on ADP, so it's a good price to pay for Julio, based on market value. And if I was stacked and had the luxury of making this move, I'd likely do it. But for most rosters, I'd take Marshall, Jennings, and Davis.
Not sure about the difference in production, it was primarily based on Marshall's massive number of targets. Marshall outscored Julio by 28% but had 52% more targets. If Marshall has a few less targets and Julio a few more then they will probably produce similar numbers.
Julio's a freak and does a lot of things better than Marshall. But he's not the threat that Marshall is at the first level; he doesn't have the footwork. Marshall could be a full-time slot guy, based on his ability to provide a target in the first 1-7 yards. Julio's not going to get the targets that Marshall gets. His situation is different, as is his skillset. In PPR formats, I think we're a couple years away from Julio being the redraft WR that Marshall is. If he does get there, it will I think it will be from a very high number of TDs, rather than getting the targets that Marshall gets. We'll see.

Don't get me wrong, I'd take Julio over Marshall in just about every dynasty situation. But I think it is pretty close, and once you start adding parts like Jennings and Davis, it gets even closer.

 
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Marshall won't see two million targets again next season and has already reached an age where a lot of people don't want him.
Who are the people that don't want Marshall?He just turned 29.
Yup, lets just forget about a guy who caught 118 passes because you say hes old and he wont get targets. LOL Oh I love the FBGers at it again trying to sway the field.

 
One more, 1 ppr

Team A receives: Nicks

Team B receives: Jeffery/Rudolph/1.6/2014 2nd
Could go either way depending on the team, but that's a nice haul for Nicks.
At first glance, maybe. But Jeffery isn't ever guaranteed to be anything, especially with a real TE in CHI and with the possibility that they could draft another talented WR in a deep draft (at the position). Then the 1.6, which is no guarantee, and a future 2nd. Then a young mid/low-TE1, who has more trade value than value in your starting lineup as he's in that glut of 10-12 TE1/TE2's that offer no advantage over anyone else.

Nicks is no guarantee either, but he's already shown the production/value that you hope those pieces one day add up to. I'd want more, personally. Too many question marks, not enough upside.

 
His career average matters little to me; he's not in Miami. And he missed games in his time in Denver. I'm talking about targets per game. Look at his targets/game with Cutler - 2012 was simply more of the same. And if 29 is old - might as well start shopping Calvin. Then Julio in a couple years.
In an average season you usually only have a handful of guys with 150+ targets and maybe one or two guys above 170. Marshall is one of the best receivers in the league and remains a top redraft option, but I'd bet good money on his targets dropping next season. I've already provided the reasons. Martellus Bennett, Jeffery, and whatever rookies they might add between now and the start of the season will cut into his looks. That could be offset to some extent if Chicago passes more now that they're out of the ultra conservative Lovie Smith era, but even super elite WRs like Andre, Calvin, Fitzgerald, and Marshall can't reasonably be expected to get more than about 150-160 targets per year. When they eclipse that, it's usually because the stars aligned in their favor.

That's not really the point though. I don't doubt that Marshall is one of the top short term receivers in the NFL. The issue is his decaying trade value. At 29, he's already reached an age where certain kinds of owners won't have any interest in paying a fair price to acquire him. That will only get worse with each passing year. Over the next 2-3 years his value will drop steadily while Julio will maintain approximately the exact same value that he has today. It might be a good deal if all you're looking at is the value they'll give you on the field for the next couple seasons, but when it comes time to cash out there will be a radical difference in what you can get for Marshall/Jennings/Davis and what you'll be able to get for Julio.

 
12 Team PPR, QRRWWTKD + 2 Flex, one flex can be a QB.

Team Charlie [contender] gave:

Romo

Foster (otherwise has Spiller, Charles and Wilson)

Team Delta [2-11 last year, should be slightly better this year] gave:

Cobb

2013 1.01

2014 1st rounder (will be in the top 4)

In my mind, shows impatience on Delta...but he's done so consistently over the years.

 
12 Team PPR, QRRWWTKD + 2 Flex, one flex can be a QB.

Team Charlie [contender] gave:

Romo

Foster (otherwise has Spiller, Charles and Wilson)

Team Delta [2-11 last year, should be slightly better this year] gave:

Cobb

2013 1.01

2014 1st rounder (will be in the top 4)

In my mind, shows impatience on Delta...but he's done so consistently over the years.
At what point do you kick someone out of a league?

 
12 Team PPR, QRRWWTKD + 2 Flex, one flex can be a QB. Team Charlie [contender] gave: RomoFoster (otherwise has Spiller, Charles and Wilson) Team Delta [2-11 last year, should be slightly better this year] gave: Cobb2013 1.2014 1st rounder (will be in the top 4) In my mind, shows impatience on Delta...but he's done so consistently over the years.
At what point do you kick someone out of a league?
I see nothing wrong here.
 
One more, 1 ppr

Team A receives: Nicks

Team B receives: Jeffery/Rudolph/1.6/2014 2nd
Could go either way depending on the team, but that's a nice haul for Nicks.
At first glance, maybe. But Jeffery isn't ever guaranteed to be anything, especially with a real TE in CHI and with the possibility that they could draft another talented WR in a deep draft (at the position). Then the 1.6, which is no guarantee, and a future 2nd. Then a young mid/low-TE1, who has more trade value than value in your starting lineup as he's in that glut of 10-12 TE1/TE2's that offer no advantage over anyone else.

Nicks is no guarantee either, but he's already shown the production/value that you hope those pieces one day add up to. I'd want more, personally. Too many question marks, not enough upside.
If Nicks hasn't had his injury issues I wouldn't even consider. It's factor even if not a massive one.

Rudolph interests because mainly because of what you mentioned - his trade value. Maybe Rudolph and the 1.06 is enough to get Hernandez.

 
Marshall won't see two million targets again next season...
What makes you say this? Looking at his career target numbers per game, last year isn't much of an outlier. I think he's as safe a bet for 175 targets as anyone.
Give me the Marshall/Jennings/Davis end of this.

I like Julio enough but if the reason for not liking Marshall is because his trade value is terrible then I guess I'll be happy to be stuck with a top 5 WR. Ryan still has White and Gonzalez that he trusts and until those options go away hard to see Julio hitting top 5 territory. Cutler will throw into triple coverage to get the ball to Marshall and Jeffrey and Bennett likely only help his cause if they produce anything.

 
12 Team PPR, QRRWWTKD + 2 Flex, one flex can be a QB. Team Charlie [contender] gave: RomoFoster (otherwise has Spiller, Charles and Wilson) Team Delta [2-11 last year, should be slightly better this year] gave: Cobb2013 1.2014 1st rounder (will be in the top 4) In my mind, shows impatience on Delta...but he's done so consistently over the years.
At what point do you kick someone out of a league?
I see nothing wrong here.
A 2-11 team trading all that for a 27 yo RB?

 
PPR 10 Team league

Team A Gives: RG3, Jeffery

Team B Gives: Harvin, 2.04
Saw this posted in the AC as well. Unsure if it;s the same deal, but that one included the info that it was a Superflex league.

Superflex give me RG, regular, give me Harvin.

 
12 Team PPR, QRRWWTKD + 2 Flex, one flex can be a QB. Team Charlie [contender] gave: RomoFoster (otherwise has Spiller, Charles and Wilson) Team Delta [2-11 last year, should be slightly better this year] gave: Cobb2013 1.2014 1st rounder (will be in the top 4) In my mind, shows impatience on Delta...but he's done so consistently over the years.
At what point do you kick someone out of a league?
I see nothing wrong here.
A 2-11 team trading all that for a 27 yo RB?
ANd a top 10 scoring QB in a league where you can use a QB as a flex.

There is nothing wrong with the value of this deal.

If you wanna talk about the direction he should take his team, and why this deal isn't good for HIM, that's a discussion for some sort of strategy thread. Depending on my roster, I can easily see taking either side of this. Maybe with his roster I prefer the Cobb side, but in a vacuum (which is how these really should be viewed for the purposes of this thread), as the other guy said, I see nothing wrong here.

 
12 team 24 roster PPR I gave: Johnson, Chris TEN RBYear 2013 Draft Pick 1.02 Dalton, Andy CIN QBJean, Lestar HOU WR I got: Harvin, Percy SEA WRHenne, Chad JAC QBTebow, Tim NYJ QB Notes: Henne/Tebow were throw ins to even the rosters. I have nothing at WR and had tried to move Johnson and the 1.02 separately for a good young WR without success.
I think you gave way too much. I personally think Dalton is a perennial pro bowler in the making. Then u also gave a 1.02?! I dunno. I think that trade comes back to haunt you. For your sake I hope Im wrong. There's a lot of uncertainty with Harvin to give that much, imo.
I don't think he overpaid at all, Dalton is pretty useless in a 12 team league, Johnson is not a player I'd want to own and while the 1.02 is nice, there's probably less than 15% chance that player ever scores comparably to Harvin.FTR I paid Fitz, Mathews and Cook for Harvin and would do it again. I don't expect you to agree.
 
Just made this deal, 14 teamer. 2 ppr for TE, 1 for WR, 0 for RB. Starting requirements: 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 receivers (WR or TE), 2 flex. Team A gets Hakeem NIcks, Jermaine Gresham, 1.14 pick. Team B gets LeSean McCoy.
I will take McCoy
Not in this scoring system. No ppr for RBs is a major ding against McCoy. Plus, I'd want to start receivers in both flex spots. Give me Nicks/Gresham.
 
His career average matters little to me; he's not in Miami. And he missed games in his time in Denver. I'm talking about targets per game. Look at his targets/game with Cutler - 2012 was simply more of the same. And if 29 is old - might as well start shopping Calvin. Then Julio in a couple years.
In an average season you usually only have a handful of guys with 150+ targets and maybe one or two guys above 170. Marshall is one of the best receivers in the league and remains a top redraft option, but I'd bet good money on his targets dropping next season. I've already provided the reasons. Martellus Bennett, Jeffery, and whatever rookies they might add between now and the start of the season will cut into his looks. That could be offset to some extent if Chicago passes more now that they're out of the ultra conservative Lovie Smith era, but even super elite WRs like Andre, Calvin, Fitzgerald, and Marshall can't reasonably be expected to get more than about 150-160 targets per year. When they eclipse that, it's usually because the stars aligned in their favor.

That's not really the point though. I don't doubt that Marshall is one of the top short term receivers in the NFL. The issue is his decaying trade value. At 29, he's already reached an age where certain kinds of owners won't have any interest in paying a fair price to acquire him. That will only get worse with each passing year. Over the next 2-3 years his value will drop steadily while Julio will maintain approximately the exact same value that he has today. It might be a good deal if all you're looking at is the value they'll give you on the field for the next couple seasons, but when it comes time to cash out there will be a radical difference in what you can get for Marshall/Jennings/Davis and what you'll be able to get for Julio.
Are you forced to trade him to those teams with "certain kind of owners" or even trade him at all? I'd probably take the Jones side of that offer as well - but you're going way out of you way to knock Marshall's value. He's had multiple seasons of 100+ catches and it's not like he's a Welker type possession WR. His biggest knock is the knucklehead factor and he has seemed to mature a bit with age (see age can be a good thing as well).

He just turned 29 last month. It seems every year we keep knocking the "he's finished" year back another season. A WR like Marshall should be able to play at an elite level until at least 33 - which gives you 5 more years. His trade value is also not as terrible as you seem to think it is - try and get him from one of his oweners and see how easy it is.

I agree that his targets will go down some, but they can afford to. He finished as WR2 last year in ppr leagues, with less targets he should still finish top 10 easily and it does seem that pass attempts should go up with Trestman running the show.

 
Just made this deal, 14 teamer. 2 ppr for TE, 1 for WR, 0 for RB. Starting requirements: 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 receivers (WR or TE), 2 flex. Team A gets Hakeem NIcks, Jermaine Gresham, 1.14 pick. Team B gets LeSean McCoy.
I will take McCoy
Not in this scoring system. No ppr for RBs is a major ding against McCoy. Plus, I'd want to start receivers in both flex spots. Give me Nicks/Gresham.
I play in one of these HP leagues and the scoring is really tricky. Nicks takes a big hit in this format. TE=WR, but gets 2PPR. The best teams are those with Gronk/Graham/Hern/Gonz/Witten, etc. Those with 2+ really dominate. If you think Gresham has room to improve his reception total, that side might be the way to go. Otherwise, despite the lack of PPR, Shady, at the very least, does provide a weekly advantage and I don't know that the other two do.

 
Just made this deal, 14 teamer. 2 ppr for TE, 1 for WR, 0 for RB. Starting requirements: 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 receivers (WR or TE), 2 flex. Team A gets Hakeem NIcks, Jermaine Gresham, 1.14 pick. Team B gets LeSean McCoy.
I will take McCoy
Not in this scoring system. No ppr for RBs is a major ding against McCoy. Plus, I'd want to start receivers in both flex spots. Give me Nicks/Gresham.
I play in one of these HP leagues and the scoring is really tricky. Nicks takes a big hit in this format. TE=WR, but gets 2PPR. The best teams are those with Gronk/Graham/Hern/Gonz/Witten, etc. Those with 2+ really dominate. If you think Gresham has room to improve his reception total, that side might be the way to go. Otherwise, despite the lack of PPR, Shady, at the very least, does provide a weekly advantage and I don't know that the other two do.
Given that scoring system, I think the Nicks/gresham/pick 14 side wins pretty easy here.

 
One more, 1 ppr

Team A receives: Nicks

Team B receives: Jeffery/Rudolph/1.6/2014 2nd
Could go either way depending on the team, but that's a nice haul for Nicks.
At first glance, maybe. But Jeffery isn't ever guaranteed to be anything, especially with a real TE in CHI and with the possibility that they could draft another talented WR in a deep draft (at the position). Then the 1.6, which is no guarantee, and a future 2nd. Then a young mid/low-TE1, who has more trade value than value in your starting lineup as he's in that glut of 10-12 TE1/TE2's that offer no advantage over anyone else.

Nicks is no guarantee either, but he's already shown the production/value that you hope those pieces one day add up to. I'd want more, personally. Too many question marks, not enough upside.
If Nicks hasn't had his injury issues I wouldn't even consider. It's factor even if not a massive one.

Rudolph interests because mainly because of what you mentioned - his trade value. Maybe Rudolph and the 1.06 is enough to get Hernandez.
Agreed. And FWIW, I was in both of those trades and I had landed Torrey which then made it easier to make the Nicks deal.

Combined, it was the following:

Gave: Nicks/Amendola/Randle/L. James/D. Walker/2.12

Received: Torrey/Jeffery/Rudolph/1.6/2.3/2014 2nd/FJax

 
Just made this deal, 14 teamer. 2 ppr for TE, 1 for WR, 0 for RB. Starting requirements: 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 receivers (WR or TE), 2 flex. Team A gets Hakeem NIcks, Jermaine Gresham, 1.14 pick. Team B gets LeSean McCoy.
I will take McCoy
Not in this scoring system. No ppr for RBs is a major ding against McCoy. Plus, I'd want to start receivers in both flex spots. Give me Nicks/Gresham.
I play in one of these HP leagues and the scoring is really tricky. Nicks takes a big hit in this format. TE=WR, but gets 2PPR. The best teams are those with Gronk/Graham/Hern/Gonz/Witten, etc. Those with 2+ really dominate. If you think Gresham has room to improve his reception total, that side might be the way to go. Otherwise, despite the lack of PPR, Shady, at the very least, does provide a weekly advantage and I don't know that the other two do.
Given that scoring system, I think the Nicks/gresham/pick 14 side wins pretty easy here.
On paper it looks like that, but I am not so sure. Because TE=WR, but TEs score 2x more per catch - what value does Nicks have? He becomes a flex guy, likely. So you're trading two flex guys for a high level starter, depsite the fact that that starter will likely score fewer points. It's really a tricky league, and I pride myself in being able to get a good handle on different scoring systems. But this one has been a pain in my ###.

ETA: You very well could be right. I just haven't worked it out in my head yet. Lol.

 
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12 team 24 roster PPR I gave: Johnson, Chris TEN RBYear 2013 Draft Pick 1.02 Dalton, Andy CIN QBJean, Lestar HOU WR I got: Harvin, Percy SEA WRHenne, Chad JAC QBTebow, Tim NYJ QB Notes: Henne/Tebow were throw ins to even the rosters. I have nothing at WR and had tried to move Johnson and the 1.02 separately for a good young WR without success.
I think you gave way too much. I personally think Dalton is a perennial pro bowler in the making. Then u also gave a 1.02?! I dunno. I think that trade comes back to haunt you. For your sake I hope Im wrong. There's a lot of uncertainty with Harvin to give that much, imo.
I don't think he overpaid at all, Dalton is pretty useless in a 12 team league, Johnson is not a player I'd want to own and while the 1.02 is nice, there's probably less than 15% chance that player ever scores comparably to Harvin.FTR I paid Fitz, Mathews and Cook for Harvin and would do it again. I don't expect you to agree.
I'm not going to argue with you about that trade. But I'd be perfectly content to be on the other side.

 
Christo said:
Donsmith753 said:
12 team 24 roster PPR I gave: Johnson, Chris TEN RBYear 2013 Draft Pick 1.02 Dalton, Andy CIN QBJean, Lestar HOU WR I got: Harvin, Percy SEA WRHenne, Chad JAC QBTebow, Tim NYJ QB Notes: Henne/Tebow were throw ins to even the rosters. I have nothing at WR and had tried to move Johnson and the 1.02 separately for a good young WR without success.
I think you gave way too much. I personally think Dalton is a perennial pro bowler in the making. Then u also gave a 1.02?! I dunno. I think that trade comes back to haunt you. For your sake I hope Im wrong. There's a lot of uncertainty with Harvin to give that much, imo.
I don't think he overpaid at all, Dalton is pretty useless in a 12 team league, Johnson is not a player I'd want to own and while the 1.02 is nice, there's probably less than 15% chance that player ever scores comparably to Harvin.FTR I paid Fitz, Mathews and Cook for Harvin and would do it again. I don't expect you to agree.
I'm not going to argue with you about that trade. But I'd be perfectly content to be on the other side.
I don't think I would trade Harvin for that package. But I tend to be higher on Harvin then most, and my league gives return yards, so my opinion is probably biased. I think it was a good trade for the guy acquiring Harvin.

 
Concept Coop said:
Just made this deal, 14 teamer. 2 ppr for TE, 1 for WR, 0 for RB. Starting requirements: 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 receivers (WR or TE), 2 flex. Team A gets Hakeem NIcks, Jermaine Gresham, 1.14 pick. Team B gets LeSean McCoy.
I will take McCoy
Not in this scoring system. No ppr for RBs is a major ding against McCoy. Plus, I'd want to start receivers in both flex spots. Give me Nicks/Gresham.
I play in one of these HP leagues and the scoring is really tricky. Nicks takes a big hit in this format. TE=WR, but gets 2PPR. The best teams are those with Gronk/Graham/Hern/Gonz/Witten, etc. Those with 2+ really dominate. If you think Gresham has room to improve his reception total, that side might be the way to go. Otherwise, despite the lack of PPR, Shady, at the very least, does provide a weekly advantage and I don't know that the other two do.
Upon reflection, I have no idea who wins this trade, and I want to join a league like this sometime.
 
Christo said:
Donsmith753 said:
12 team 24 roster PPR I gave: Johnson, Chris TEN RBYear 2013 Draft Pick 1.02 Dalton, Andy CIN QBJean, Lestar HOU WR I got: Harvin, Percy SEA WRHenne, Chad JAC QBTebow, Tim NYJ QB Notes: Henne/Tebow were throw ins to even the rosters. I have nothing at WR and had tried to move Johnson and the 1.02 separately for a good young WR without success.
I think you gave way too much. I personally think Dalton is a perennial pro bowler in the making. Then u also gave a 1.02?! I dunno. I think that trade comes back to haunt you. For your sake I hope Im wrong. There's a lot of uncertainty with Harvin to give that much, imo.
I don't think he overpaid at all, Dalton is pretty useless in a 12 team league, Johnson is not a player I'd want to own and while the 1.02 is nice, there's probably less than 15% chance that player ever scores comparably to Harvin.FTR I paid Fitz, Mathews and Cook for Harvin and would do it again. I don't expect you to agree.
I'm not going to argue with you about that trade. But I'd be perfectly content to be on the other side.
I can completely understand that, think its fairly even. Was just using it as a reference point for that first trade.
 

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