2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (2 Viewers)

[EBF]

I'd have to look at the stats to be sure, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that the Lions threw the ball more in the 2011 and 2012 seasons combined than any other team in NFL history has ever done over a 2 year span. Calvin is a great receiver, but he has benefited from circumstance. If you want to talk about his ceiling, I'd suggest that he's not likely to get 200+ targets again and that Stafford is unlikely to average ~690 passing attempts per season over the course of his career.

 

[menobrown]

I'd have to look at the stats to be sure, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that the Lions threw the ball more in the 2011 and 2012 seasons combined than any other team in NFL history has ever done over a 2 year span. Calvin is a great receiver, but he has benefited from circumstance. If you want to talk about his ceiling, I'd suggest that he's not likely to get 200+ targets again and that Stafford is unlikely to average ~690 passing attempts per season over the course of his career.

I thought last year was a give and take on Calvin's circumstance, which is why he was actually a better fantasy player in 2011. Yes Calvin benefited by the attempts and targets. That's the give part. He also suffered due to the team losing WR options 2-5 for extended periods of time and in multiple games all together. This is the take part as this allowed defenses to focus on him more than usual which tends to decrease one's efficiency per target.ETA he also played a chunk of the year on an ailing knee. That's another negative to his circumstance this past season and it did look to me like he was not as explosive.

 

[EBF]

I'd have to look at the stats to be sure, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that the Lions threw the ball more in the 2011 and 2012 seasons combined than any other team in NFL history has ever done over a 2 year span. Calvin is a great receiver, but he has benefited from circumstance. If you want to talk about his ceiling, I'd suggest that he's not likely to get 200+ targets again and that Stafford is unlikely to average ~690 passing attempts per season over the course of his career.

I thought last year was a give and take on Calvin's circumstance, which is why he was actually a better fantasy player in 2011. Yes Calvin benefited by the attempts and targets. That's the give part. He also suffered due to the team losing WR options 2-5 for extended periods of time and in multiple games all together. This is the take part as this allowed defenses to focus on him more than usual which tends to decrease one's efficiency per target.

I think he's obviously capable of double digit TDs every year of his prime, but I'd be surprised if he sniffed 2000 yards again. A Lions team with a RB who is not crap and more than one healthy WR would be a lot more balanced. No running game, no Nate Burleson, no Jahvid Best, and no Titus Young = all Calvin, all the time. Incidentally, Calvin's torrid second half coincided with a massive losing streak for his team, so don't think that chucking him the ball on every play is a recipe for winning football. I think we'll see a more balanced Lions team in future seasons. Calvin should still get 150-170 targets per year, but I don't see him topping 200 on an annual basis.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Also, Andre has always been seen as an injury risk. Or at least has the last few years. That impacts value in a big way.

Between 2003 (his rookie year) and 2010, Andre Johnson played in all sixteen games 5 of those 7 years. He missed 3 games in his 3rd year (2005) and missed 7 games in 2007. His injury risk was way overblown.

Notice I said he's always been seen as an injury risk. It effected his value.

 

[gianmarco]

His peak is comparable to Calvin's peak.

Not really. We've seen Andres peak and it's 40 fantasy points under Calvin's best year. That's fairly close but not sure I'd call that comparable.As for Calvin I don't think we've seen his peak yet, that would be coming close to the yardage he had this year with his typical amount of TD's. When I look at "peak" I look at it this way:If you took Andres career and combined his best years for receptions, yardage and TD's you would have a 115 receptions, 1,598 yards and 9 TD's. That would be 328 fantasy points.If you took the same formula for Calvin you would have 122 catches, 1,964 yards and 16 TD's. That would be 414 fantasy points.

While you can't say for certain, you're ignoring his 2007 season where he was lights out. He scored 193 pts in only 9 games which was on pace for 343 points. That's just 18 pts off of Calvin's top season. I know, you can't always assume when prorating, but the fact remains that for over half a season, he was scoring at a pace very close to Calvin's best season. We can argue this back and forth about how close he was to Calvin, but AJ, even if at a lower level than Calvin, was scoring 300+ points for 3 years in a row and at the time was considered an untouchable WR to obtain much like Calvin is now. As good as Calvin is now, he's going to be viewed the same in just 3 years. Now, if you want to argue that Calvin will far outperform Julio and AJG over the next 3 years, I can understand that argument. I don't necessarily agree because I think we just saw a record breaking season with everything falling into place, but I can see that argument. But the fact remains that Calvin's value WILL decline and it's only 2-3 short years from doing so. There are situations where I'd otherwise prefer Calvin, but in most situations, I'd give the ever so slightest edge to the 2 younger WRs only because I think they are both going to approach that elite untouchable status (and are already there for some owners) very soon and I don't think the extra 2-3 ppg that Calvin might offer over the next 2-3 yrs is enough to warrant the extreme difference in value that is coming shortly. I would fault no one for taking Calvin over AJG or Julio at this point. They are virtually interchangeable at this point. But unless you think Calvin over Julio/AJG is making the difference in a championship for you, I think the younger duo is the better WR to own at this point. Next year, i bet at least 50% of owners won't move Julio or AJG for a 29 yo Calvin. In 2 years, you have 0 shot of moving Calvin for Julio or AJG. And I'd be surprised if Calvin outscores either of those guys by more than 30-40 pts next year. Those extra 30-40 pts (2-3ppg) next year isn't enough to warrant taking Calvin ahead at this point for me.Someone said that they saw no reason that Calvin shouldn't be #1 overall and I'm trying to explain why I don't think that's the case. I'm quite sure I'm in the minority in this but hopefully some might see the reasoning behind it even if they don't agree. I don't think I will be in the minority in 1-2 yrs, though.

 

[dewmass]

Just had this accepted in double quick time, making me think I offered a bit too much. 12 teams/standard scoring/26 man rostersGave:SanuSeattle SeahawksGot:Ryan WilliamsBuffalo BillsAnd I've just done this one in the same league:Gave:M. LynchGot:Gronk

 

[BuckeyeChaos]

what is anybody seeing for Danario Alexander? I'm assuming his injury risk is holding the value and optimism down from what it could be but he sure seemed to click with Rivers and got a lot of targets and TDs over the 2nd half.

 

[ctrlaltdefeat]

what is anybody seeing for Danario Alexander? I'm assuming his injury risk is holding the value and optimism down from what it could be but he sure seemed to click with Rivers and got a lot of targets and TDs over the 2nd half.

To me Danario is undervalued right now. He was a beast over the second half of the season and should only improve as he gets comfortable with rivers. I'm holding him because I'm only getting crap offers for him and he was way better than most of the receivers on my team. I'd rather have Danario than guys like Antonio brown, Maclin, desean, miles Austin or even Steve smith.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Deep idp dynasty leagueTrade 1Team A gave up Year 2013 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team A;Year 2013 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team C;Year 2013 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team A;Year 2013 Round 5 Draft Pick from Team ATeam B gave up Year 2013 Round 2 Draft Pick from Team B (top 2 pick)Trade 2Team A gave up Sproles, Darren NOS RB;Gordon, Josh CLE WR;Tate, Golden SEA WRTeam B gave up Foles, Nick PHI QB;Kolb, Kevin ARI QB;Acho, Sam ARI LB

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Just had this accepted in double quick time, making me think I offered a bit too much. 12 teams/standard scoring/26 man rostersGave:SanuSeattle SeahawksGot:Ryan WilliamsBuffalo BillsAnd I've just done this one in the same league:Gave:M. LynchGot:Gronk

Love it for you, and love it for you.

 

[dewmass]

what is anybody seeing for Danario Alexander? I'm assuming his injury risk is holding the value and optimism down from what it could be but he sure seemed to click with Rivers and got a lot of targets and TDs over the 2nd half.

This is a question I've also been meaning to ask, perhaps it would be better in the Rankings thread, where I constantly see him in the late 30s WR. I stupidly only bid very low FAAB for him and have regretted it since,, but I've not seen any completed trades here that would set a current guideline of value.

 

[dewmass]

Trade 2Team A gave up Sproles, Darren NOS RB;Gordon, Josh CLE WR;Tate, Golden SEA WRTeam B gave up Foles, Nick PHI QB;Kolb, Kevin ARI QB;Acho, Sam ARI LB

Not sure why A would give up so much for the players he's acquired? To me that looks terribly one sided

 

[squistion]

what is anybody seeing for Danario Alexander? I'm assuming his injury risk is holding the value and optimism down from what it could be but he sure seemed to click with Rivers and got a lot of targets and TDs over the 2nd half.

This is a question I've also been meaning to ask, perhaps it would be better in the Rankings thread, where I constantly see him in the late 30s WR. I stupidly only bid very low FAAB for him and have regretted it since,, but I've not seen any completed trades here that would set a current guideline of value.

Technically, yes, since this thread is supposed to about completed trades and their discussion. This goes to more of AC question or (as you noted) arguably belongs in the Dynasty Rankings thread. There also have been a couple of Alexander threads that could have been bumped.

 

[ctrlaltdefeat]

Title doesn't say anything about completed trades.

 

[squistion]

Title doesn't say anything about completed trades.

Yes it does - second line, still considered part of the title (unless you want to nitpick):2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread Post completed trades only

 

[ShaHBucks]

Trade 2Team A gave up Sproles, Darren NOS RB;Gordon, Josh CLE WR;Tate, Golden SEA WRTeam B gave up Foles, Nick PHI QB;Kolb, Kevin ARI QB;Acho, Sam ARI LB

Not sure why A would give up so much for the players he's acquired? To me that looks terribly one sided

A is rebuilding, and is at least 2-3 years from competing. And has a top 2 pick in the draft.

 

[gianmarco]

Trade 2Team A gave up Sproles, Darren NOS RB;Gordon, Josh CLE WR;Tate, Golden SEA WRTeam B gave up Foles, Nick PHI QB;Kolb, Kevin ARI QB;Acho, Sam ARI LB

Not sure why A would give up so much for the players he's acquired? To me that looks terribly one sided

A is rebuilding, and is at least 2-3 years from competing. And has a top 2 pick in the draft.

So, since he's rebuilding, he gave away one of the top ROOKIE WR's in Gordon and a 24 year old Golden Tate for Foles/Kolb and Acho?Yeah, that makes complete sense. (hint: the reason he's rebuilding is because of trades like this)

 

[menobrown]

what is anybody seeing for Danario Alexander? I'm assuming his injury risk is holding the value and optimism down from what it could be but he sure seemed to click with Rivers and got a lot of targets and TDs over the 2nd half.

To me Danario is undervalued right now. He was a beast over the second half of the season and should only improve as he gets comfortable with rivers. I'm holding him because I'm only getting crap offers for him and he was way better than most of the receivers on my team. I'd rather have Danario than guys like Antonio brown, Maclin, desean, miles Austin or even Steve smith.

I go the other way. Made unloading him a goal in the one place I had him, eventually that duct tape holding him together is going to unravel and when it does it won't be on my watch. I'd have knocked my mother out of the way to hit accept if I got offered a guy like Antonio Brown or even frail but at least not surgically put back together Maclin.In the end I did trade him and liked what I got back but it does not really answer your question exactly because it was not a one for one deal but I thought the trade was a huge haul for me.

 

[ctrlaltdefeat]

what is anybody seeing for Danario Alexander? I'm assuming his injury risk is holding the value and optimism down from what it could be but he sure seemed to click with Rivers and got a lot of targets and TDs over the 2nd half.

To me Danario is undervalued right now. He was a beast over the second half of the season and should only improve as he gets comfortable with rivers. I'm holding him because I'm only getting crap offers for him and he was way better than most of the receivers on my team. I'd rather have Danario than guys like Antonio brown, Maclin, desean, miles Austin or even Steve smith.

I go the other way. Made unloading him a goal in the one place I had him, eventually that duct tape holding him together is going to unravel and when it does it won't be on my watch. I'd have knocked my mother out of the way to hit accept if I got offered a guy like Antonio Brown or even frail but at least not surgically put back together Maclin.In the end I did trade him and liked what I got back but it does not really answer your question exactly because it was not a one for one deal but I thought the trade was a huge haul for me.

Who says the tape is going to unravel? Can you see the future? Just like everyone said we should have sold AP before his injury last season.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Trade 2Team A gave up Sproles, Darren NOS RB;Gordon, Josh CLE WR;Tate, Golden SEA WRTeam B gave up Foles, Nick PHI QB;Kolb, Kevin ARI QB;Acho, Sam ARI LB

Not sure why A would give up so much for the players he's acquired? To me that looks terribly one sided

A is rebuilding, and is at least 2-3 years from competing. And has a top 2 pick in the draft.

So, since he's rebuilding, he gave away one of the top ROOKIE WR's in Gordon and a 24 year old Golden Tate for Foles/Kolb and Acho?Yeah, that makes complete sense. (hint: the reason he's rebuilding is because of trades like this)

Well Team A's owner took over a abandon team. Tate means little/nothing (Baldwin is better). Gordon has value, but he's nothing special IMO. Team A's qb were Rivers, Chase Daniels and Matt More, so getting Foles for Gordon/Sproles was godsend. Its not like Team A could get Luck/RG3/Wilson for Sproles/Gordon, plus Kolb for free and a look at Acho. Team A overpaid on surface but the thought process was correct based on the roster situation even if Foles whiffs. Foles last 4 games as a starter he avg 20.1 points, Kolb's 4 games as a full starter 17.4 including a dud at STL. Looks pretty bad on surface to a avg FF player but in 2 years Team B could be crippled and Team A wont be missing a 32 yo RB and a ok WR.

 

[Donsmith753]

Trade 2Team A gave up Sproles, Darren NOS RB;Gordon, Josh CLE WR;Tate, Golden SEA WRTeam B gave up Foles, Nick PHI QB;Kolb, Kevin ARI QB;Acho, Sam ARI LB

Not sure why A would give up so much for the players he's acquired? To me that looks terribly one sided

A is rebuilding, and is at least 2-3 years from competing. And has a top 2 pick in the draft.

So, since he's rebuilding, he gave away one of the top ROOKIE WR's in Gordon and a 24 year old Golden Tate for Foles/Kolb and Acho?Yeah, that makes complete sense. (hint: the reason he's rebuilding is because of trades like this)

Well Team A's owner took over a abandon team. Tate means little/nothing (Baldwin is better). Gordon has value, but he's nothing special IMO. Team A's qb were Rivers, Chase Daniels and Matt More, so getting Foles for Gordon/Sproles was godsend. Its not like Team A could get Luck/RG3/Wilson for Sproles/Gordon, plus Kolb for free and a look at Acho. Team A overpaid on surface but the thought process was correct based on the roster situation even if Foles whiffs. Foles last 4 games as a starter he avg 20.1 points, Kolb's 4 games as a full starter 17.4 including a dud at STL. Looks pretty bad on surface to a avg FF player but in 2 years Team B could be crippled and Team A wont be missing a 32 yo RB and a ok WR.

Gordon's nothing special

 

[menobrown]

what is anybody seeing for Danario Alexander? I'm assuming his injury risk is holding the value and optimism down from what it could be but he sure seemed to click with Rivers and got a lot of targets and TDs over the 2nd half.

To me Danario is undervalued right now. He was a beast over the second half of the season and should only improve as he gets comfortable with rivers. I'm holding him because I'm only getting crap offers for him and he was way better than most of the receivers on my team. I'd rather have Danario than guys like Antonio brown, Maclin, desean, miles Austin or even Steve smith.

I go the other way. Made unloading him a goal in the one place I had him, eventually that duct tape holding him together is going to unravel and when it does it won't be on my watch. I'd have knocked my mother out of the way to hit accept if I got offered a guy like Antonio Brown or even frail but at least not surgically put back together Maclin.In the end I did trade him and liked what I got back but it does not really answer your question exactly because it was not a one for one deal but I thought the trade was a huge haul for me.

Who says the tape is going to unravel? Can you see the future? Just like everyone said we should have sold AP before his injury last season.

Whoa, ease up. We all take the information available to us and make our own decisions. In his case the multiple surgeries, getting cut by a WR needy team, being out of the league for awhile when other teams had access to his medical records, watching him catch a pass in a game near the end of the season and check his knee after the catch and sit on the sidelines a few plays. I evaluate all of this as a major injury red flag and if I can get someone who is not as concerned and values a young high end WR I'm dealing him.And what does dealing AP BEFORE his injury have to do with anything????

 

[I was in the pool]

As for Julio, if you're going to convince me that he's the #1 overall dynasty player, you could start by convincing me that he's better than Demaryius Thomas and Dez Bryant.

Boom

 

[ShaHBucks]

Trade 2Team A gave up Sproles, Darren NOS RB;Gordon, Josh CLE WR;Tate, Golden SEA WRTeam B gave up Foles, Nick PHI QB;Kolb, Kevin ARI QB;Acho, Sam ARI LB

Not sure why A would give up so much for the players he's acquired? To me that looks terribly one sided

A is rebuilding, and is at least 2-3 years from competing. And has a top 2 pick in the draft.

So, since he's rebuilding, he gave away one of the top ROOKIE WR's in Gordon and a 24 year old Golden Tate for Foles/Kolb and Acho?Yeah, that makes complete sense. (hint: the reason he's rebuilding is because of trades like this)

Well Team A's owner took over a abandon team. Tate means little/nothing (Baldwin is better). Gordon has value, but he's nothing special IMO. Team A's qb were Rivers, Chase Daniels and Matt More, so getting Foles for Gordon/Sproles was godsend. Its not like Team A could get Luck/RG3/Wilson for Sproles/Gordon, plus Kolb for free and a look at Acho. Team A overpaid on surface but the thought process was correct based on the roster situation even if Foles whiffs. Foles last 4 games as a starter he avg 20.1 points, Kolb's 4 games as a full starter 17.4 including a dud at STL. Looks pretty bad on surface to a avg FF player but in 2 years Team B could be crippled and Team A wont be missing a 32 yo RB and a ok WR.

Gordon's nothing special

You mean the kid that caught around 50% of his targets and only scored off trick plays where he's running free vs a LB? Oh ok

 

[Donsmith753]

Trade 2Team A gave up Sproles, Darren NOS RB;Gordon, Josh CLE WR;Tate, Golden SEA WRTeam B gave up Foles, Nick PHI QB;Kolb, Kevin ARI QB;Acho, Sam ARI LB

Not sure why A would give up so much for the players he's acquired? To me that looks terribly one sided

A is rebuilding, and is at least 2-3 years from competing. And has a top 2 pick in the draft.

So, since he's rebuilding, he gave away one of the top ROOKIE WR's in Gordon and a 24 year old Golden Tate for Foles/Kolb and Acho?Yeah, that makes complete sense. (hint: the reason he's rebuilding is because of trades like this)

Well Team A's owner took over a abandon team. Tate means little/nothing (Baldwin is better). Gordon has value, but he's nothing special IMO. Team A's qb were Rivers, Chase Daniels and Matt More, so getting Foles for Gordon/Sproles was godsend. Its not like Team A could get Luck/RG3/Wilson for Sproles/Gordon, plus Kolb for free and a look at Acho. Team A overpaid on surface but the thought process was correct based on the roster situation even if Foles whiffs. Foles last 4 games as a starter he avg 20.1 points, Kolb's 4 games as a full starter 17.4 including a dud at STL. Looks pretty bad on surface to a avg FF player but in 2 years Team B could be crippled and Team A wont be missing a 32 yo RB and a ok WR.

Gordon's nothing special

You mean the kid that caught around 50% of his targets and only scored off trick plays where he's running free vs a LB? Oh ok

If you're serious you're not worth arguing with.

 

[Steed]

Is Foles even a starter in 2013? I know Chip Kelly respects him as an opponent, doesn't mean he's a fit for his system.Ouch on that trade.

 

[jeter23]

Trade 2Team A gave up Sproles, Darren NOS RB;Gordon, Josh CLE WR;Tate, Golden SEA WRTeam B gave up Foles, Nick PHI QB;Kolb, Kevin ARI QB;Acho, Sam ARI LB

Not sure why A would give up so much for the players he's acquired? To me that looks terribly one sided

A is rebuilding, and is at least 2-3 years from competing. And has a top 2 pick in the draft.

So, since he's rebuilding, he gave away one of the top ROOKIE WR's in Gordon and a 24 year old Golden Tate for Foles/Kolb and Acho?Yeah, that makes complete sense. (hint: the reason he's rebuilding is because of trades like this)

Well Team A's owner took over a abandon team. Tate means little/nothing (Baldwin is better). Gordon has value, but he's nothing special IMO. Team A's qb were Rivers, Chase Daniels and Matt More, so getting Foles for Gordon/Sproles was godsend. Its not like Team A could get Luck/RG3/Wilson for Sproles/Gordon, plus Kolb for free and a look at Acho. Team A overpaid on surface but the thought process was correct based on the roster situation even if Foles whiffs. Foles last 4 games as a starter he avg 20.1 points, Kolb's 4 games as a full starter 17.4 including a dud at STL. Looks pretty bad on surface to a avg FF player but in 2 years Team B could be crippled and Team A wont be missing a 32 yo RB and a ok WR.

Gordon's nothing special

You mean the kid that caught around 50% of his targets and only scored off trick plays where he's running free vs a LB? Oh ok

Yep, also the same guy who missed over a year of football, yet still became a starter and is only 21 years old. Giving up Sproles alone for 2 junky QBs was a bad idea. Throwing away Gordon and Tate is indefensible.

 

[gianmarco]

Trade 2

Team A gave up Sproles, Darren NOS RB;Gordon, Josh CLE WR;Tate, Golden SEA WR

Team B gave up Foles, Nick PHI QB;Kolb, Kevin ARI QB;Acho, Sam ARI LB

Not sure why A would give up so much for the players he's acquired? To me that looks terribly one sided

A is rebuilding, and is at least 2-3 years from competing. And has a top 2 pick in the draft.

So, since he's rebuilding, he gave away one of the top ROOKIE WR's in Gordon and a 24 year old Golden Tate for Foles/Kolb and Acho?Yeah, that makes complete sense.

(hint: the reason he's rebuilding is because of trades like this)

Well Team A's owner took over a abandon team. Tate means little/nothing (Baldwin is better). Gordon has value, but he's nothing special IMO. Team A's qb were Rivers, Chase Daniels and Matt More, so getting Foles for Gordon/Sproles was godsend. Its not like Team A could get Luck/RG3/Wilson for Sproles/Gordon, plus Kolb for free and a look at Acho. Team A overpaid on surface but the thought process was correct based on the roster situation even if Foles whiffs. Foles last 4 games as a starter he avg 20.1 points, Kolb's 4 games as a full starter 17.4 including a dud at STL. Looks pretty bad on surface to a avg FF player but in 2 years Team B could be crippled and Team A wont be missing a 32 yo RB and a ok WR.

what?Losing Foles/Kolb is going to cripple a team?

I'm sorry that you're team A here and got taken for a ride.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Trade 2

Team A gave up Sproles, Darren NOS RB;Gordon, Josh CLE WR;Tate, Golden SEA WR

Team B gave up Foles, Nick PHI QB;Kolb, Kevin ARI QB;Acho, Sam ARI LB

Not sure why A would give up so much for the players he's acquired? To me that looks terribly one sided

A is rebuilding, and is at least 2-3 years from competing. And has a top 2 pick in the draft.

So, since he's rebuilding, he gave away one of the top ROOKIE WR's in Gordon and a 24 year old Golden Tate for Foles/Kolb and Acho?Yeah, that makes complete sense.

(hint: the reason he's rebuilding is because of trades like this)

Well Team A's owner took over a abandon team. Tate means little/nothing (Baldwin is better). Gordon has value, but he's nothing special IMO. Team A's qb were Rivers, Chase Daniels and Matt More, so getting Foles for Gordon/Sproles was godsend. Its not like Team A could get Luck/RG3/Wilson for Sproles/Gordon, plus Kolb for free and a look at Acho. Team A overpaid on surface but the thought process was correct based on the roster situation even if Foles whiffs. Foles last 4 games as a starter he avg 20.1 points, Kolb's 4 games as a full starter 17.4 including a dud at STL. Looks pretty bad on surface to a avg FF player but in 2 years Team B could be crippled and Team A wont be missing a 32 yo RB and a ok WR.

what?Losing Foles/Kolb is going to cripple a team?

I'm sorry that you're team A here and got taken for a ride.

Thats a best case scenario of course. You can ague over payment but your ignoring a million factors. The scoring system favors production -- 300+ passing, 100+ rush/rec games, etc. QBs are worth quite a bit. I made this move before Kelly was announced the coach, I'd do it even faster with that news.I gave up limited talent players who don't go 100+, in exchange for a QB that could go 300+ every week. TO ME Gordon/Tate have no value, Sproles won't be relevant if/when this team is competitive. This was actually the response I expected lol but I can't call it until say 2014.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Thats the worst trade I've seen in a little while. Ouch. Nothing defensible about that trade.

 

[Matt's Eagles]

A couple of trades that went down in my 12 team dynasty PPR (I was not involved in any) Team A is the same guy in all dealsTeam A tradesVernon DavisTeam B tradestrades pick 2.4Team A tradesJoe FlaccoTeam C tradesAJ Jenkins, pick 2.3Team A tradesHillman, Antonio Brown, Desean Jackson, pick 1.11Team D tradesRobert Turbin, Percy HarvinTeam A tradesRashad Jennings, Ryan Williams, AJ Jenkins pick 2.4Team E tradesNick Foles, Santonio Holmes, Brandon Lloyd

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Team A: Danario + the #21 rookie pickTeam B: Mendenhall

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Trade 2

Team A gave up Sproles, Darren NOS RB;Gordon, Josh CLE WR;Tate, Golden SEA WR

Team B gave up Foles, Nick PHI QB;Kolb, Kevin ARI QB;Acho, Sam ARI LB

Not sure why A would give up so much for the players he's acquired? To me that looks terribly one sided

A is rebuilding, and is at least 2-3 years from competing. And has a top 2 pick in the draft.

So, since he's rebuilding, he gave away one of the top ROOKIE WR's in Gordon and a 24 year old Golden Tate for Foles/Kolb and Acho?Yeah, that makes complete sense.

(hint: the reason he's rebuilding is because of trades like this)

Well Team A's owner took over a abandon team. Tate means little/nothing (Baldwin is better). Gordon has value, but he's nothing special IMO. Team A's qb were Rivers, Chase Daniels and Matt More, so getting Foles for Gordon/Sproles was godsend. Its not like Team A could get Luck/RG3/Wilson for Sproles/Gordon, plus Kolb for free and a look at Acho. Team A overpaid on surface but the thought process was correct based on the roster situation even if Foles whiffs. Foles last 4 games as a starter he avg 20.1 points, Kolb's 4 games as a full starter 17.4 including a dud at STL. Looks pretty bad on surface to a avg FF player but in 2 years Team B could be crippled and Team A wont be missing a 32 yo RB and a ok WR.

what?Losing Foles/Kolb is going to cripple a team?

I'm sorry that you're team A here and got taken for a ride.

Thats a best case scenario of course. You can ague over payment but your ignoring a million factors. The scoring system favors production -- 300+ passing, 100+ rush/rec games, etc. QBs are worth quite a bit. I made this move before Kelly was announced the coach, I'd do it even faster with that news.I gave up limited talent players who don't go 100+, in exchange for a QB that could go 300+ every week. TO ME Gordon/Tate have no value, Sproles won't be relevant if/when this team is competitive. This was actually the response I expected lol but I can't call it until say 2014.

Gordon/Tate have no value. Haha. Terrible trade. Even if Gordon has no value to you, somebody in your league would disagree and give more than the acquired slop.Gordon doesn't go over 100 yards? Guy can put up 80 on one play.

Also amusing how you started off defending team A like it wasn't you

 

[One More Rep]

Team A: Danario + the #21 rookie pickTeam B: Mendenhall

I prefer the Alexander side

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Team A: Danario + the #21 rookie pickTeam B: Mendenhall

I prefer the Alexander side

Guessing most people do. I was the Mendy buyer though since I had Thomas, Fitz, Garcon, St Johnson and Shorts and it's a 14-team start two RB league.

 

[One More Rep]

Team A: Danario + the #21 rookie pickTeam B: Mendenhall

I prefer the Alexander side

Guessing most people do. I was the Mendy buyer though since I had Thomas, Fitz, Garcon, St Johnson and Shorts and it's a 14-team start two RB league.

Makes sense for you after seeing your wrs

 

[EBF]

Team A: Danario + the #21 rookie pickTeam B: Mendenhall

I prefer the Alexander side

Guessing most people do. I was the Mendy buyer though since I had Thomas, Fitz, Garcon, St Johnson and Shorts and it's a 14-team start two RB league.

I like that deal for you. Pretty shocked to see some of the prices Mendy has gone for. But of course every time I make an offer for him in one of my leagues I get knocked back.

 

[squistion]

Team A: Danario + the #21 rookie pickTeam B: Mendenhall

I prefer the Alexander side

Guessing most people do. I was the Mendy buyer though since I had Thomas, Fitz, Garcon, St Johnson and Shorts and it's a 14-team start two RB league.

It is ballpark. Dice roll on both sides - DXs knees and Mendy's situation on a new team. Favor the Denario side but the deal makes perfect sense for you given your WR depth.It should be remembered that league context equilizes a lot of trades that appear at first glance to be favoring one side.

 

[cstu]

Trade 2

Team A gave up Sproles, Darren NOS RB;Gordon, Josh CLE WR;Tate, Golden SEA WR

Team B gave up Foles, Nick PHI QB;Kolb, Kevin ARI QB;Acho, Sam ARI LB

Not sure why A would give up so much for the players he's acquired? To me that looks terribly one sided

A is rebuilding, and is at least 2-3 years from competing. And has a top 2 pick in the draft.

So, since he's rebuilding, he gave away one of the top ROOKIE WR's in Gordon and a 24 year old Golden Tate for Foles/Kolb and Acho?Yeah, that makes complete sense.

(hint: the reason he's rebuilding is because of trades like this)

Well Team A's owner took over a abandon team. Tate means little/nothing (Baldwin is better). Gordon has value, but he's nothing special IMO. Team A's qb were Rivers, Chase Daniels and Matt More, so getting Foles for Gordon/Sproles was godsend. Its not like Team A could get Luck/RG3/Wilson for Sproles/Gordon, plus Kolb for free and a look at Acho. Team A overpaid on surface but the thought process was correct based on the roster situation even if Foles whiffs. Foles last 4 games as a starter he avg 20.1 points, Kolb's 4 games as a full starter 17.4 including a dud at STL. Looks pretty bad on surface to a avg FF player but in 2 years Team B could be crippled and Team A wont be missing a 32 yo RB and a ok WR.

what?Losing Foles/Kolb is going to cripple a team?

I'm sorry that you're team A here and got taken for a ride.

Thats a best case scenario of course. You can ague over payment but your ignoring a million factors. The scoring system favors production -- 300+ passing, 100+ rush/rec games, etc. QBs are worth quite a bit. I made this move before Kelly was announced the coach, I'd do it even faster with that news.I gave up limited talent players who don't go 100+, in exchange for a QB that could go 300+ every week. TO ME Gordon/Tate have no value, Sproles won't be relevant if/when this team is competitive. This was actually the response I expected lol but I can't call it until say 2014.

In 1 QB leagues QB's are virtually a dime a dozen unless you have a stud. I think you are hanging way too much on the 300+ bonus. You should have been able to move Gordon alone for a better QB than Foles.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Trade 2Team A gave up Sproles, Darren NOS RB;Gordon, Josh CLE WR;Tate, Golden SEA WRTeam B gave up Foles, Nick PHI QB;Kolb, Kevin ARI QB;Acho, Sam ARI LB

Not sure why A would give up so much for the players he's acquired? To me that looks terribly one sided

A is rebuilding, and is at least 2-3 years from competing. And has a top 2 pick in the draft.

So, since he's rebuilding, he gave away one of the top ROOKIE WR's in Gordon and a 24 year old Golden Tate for Foles/Kolb and Acho?Yeah, that makes complete sense. (hint: the reason he's rebuilding is because of trades like this)

Well Team A's owner took over a abandon team. Tate means little/nothing (Baldwin is better). Gordon has value, but he's nothing special IMO. Team A's qb were Rivers, Chase Daniels and Matt More, so getting Foles for Gordon/Sproles was godsend. Its not like Team A could get Luck/RG3/Wilson for Sproles/Gordon, plus Kolb for free and a look at Acho. Team A overpaid on surface but the thought process was correct based on the roster situation even if Foles whiffs. Foles last 4 games as a starter he avg 20.1 points, Kolb's 4 games as a full starter 17.4 including a dud at STL. Looks pretty bad on surface to a avg FF player but in 2 years Team B could be crippled and Team A wont be missing a 32 yo RB and a ok WR.

Gordon's nothing special

You mean the kid that caught around 50% of his targets and only scored off trick plays where he's running free vs a LB? Oh ok

The kid that led his team in receiving yards, red zone targets, TDs, and first downs. The kid whose team signed a new coach whose philosophy plays directly to his strengths. The kid that scored 5 TDs which were1) 62 yd TD vs LB & S2) 20 yd TD vs. CB & S3) 71 yd TD vs. CB4) 33 yd TD vs. CB5) 44 yd TD vs. CBNone of these were trick plays. They were all normal passing plays where Gordon burned the defender.Gordon is worth more than the other side on his own. As a multi-league Foles owner, let me say Foles is just not worth that much! Unless KC trades for him, his value is QB3. Both he and Kolb could easily be waiver fodder before Sproles is. There are better QBs to target even if you can't put up enough to get Wilson and higher.

 

[Spike]

I'd have to look at the stats to be sure, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that the Lions threw the ball more in the 2011 and 2012 seasons combined than any other team in NFL history has ever done over a 2 year span. Calvin is a great receiver, but he has benefited from circumstance. If you want to talk about his ceiling, I'd suggest that he's not likely to get 200+ targets again and that Stafford is unlikely to average ~690 passing attempts per season over the course of his career.

People need to read this one...re-read, in fact.

 

[Steed]

Did Calvin benefit from circumstance when he had culpepper, hill, Henson, and the polish cannon throwing to him?It's a a silly statement to even infer he needs a high volume of targets to succeed. They might have helped him get to 1900 yards, but it's not like he can't get 1600 yards when the targets normalize.

 

[loose circuits]

I'd have to look at the stats to be sure, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that the Lions threw the ball more in the 2011 and 2012 seasons combined than any other team in NFL history has ever done over a 2 year span. Calvin is a great receiver, but he has benefited from circumstance. If you want to talk about his ceiling, I'd suggest that he's not likely to get 200+ targets again and that Stafford is unlikely to average ~690 passing attempts per season over the course of his career.

People need to read this one...re-read, in fact.

Worse than the Forte claim, no doubt

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

12 team, 1/2 ppr for WR/TE only, start 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 flex, 4 year max contractsGave up Ryan Mathews (1 yr), McFadden (3 yrs), R.Cobb (4 yrs), Romo (1 yr)Received M.Lynch (2 yr), Bowe (3 yr)~~~Interested to hear commentary on this one. I have tremendous WR depth, and Ray Rice/J.Stewart/Ballard/Vereen/L.Miller at RB. I may just run with what I have, or I may try to move Lynch for somebody I like better for the long term, I haven't decided yet.Thoughts?

 

[Donsmith753]

I think you gave too much.

 

[One More Rep]

12 team, 1/2 ppr for WR/TE only, start 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 flex, 4 year max contractsGave up Ryan Mathews (1 yr), McFadden (3 yrs), R.Cobb (4 yrs), Romo (1 yr)Received M.Lynch (2 yr), Bowe (3 yr)~~~Interested to hear commentary on this one. I have tremendous WR depth, and Ray Rice/J.Stewart/Ballard/Vereen/L.Miller at RB. I may just run with what I have, or I may try to move Lynch for somebody I like better for the long term, I haven't decided yet.Thoughts?

I prefer your side

 

[Kleck]

Team A: Danario + the #21 rookie pickTeam B: Mendenhall

I prefer the Alexander side

Guessing most people do. I was the Mendy buyer though since I had Thomas, Fitz, Garcon, St Johnson and Shorts and it's a 14-team start two RB league.

I like your side. I own Danario and that pick in a league where I'm weaker at WR than RB and would do that for sure.

 

[meyerj31]

12 team, 1/2 ppr for WR/TE only, start 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 flex, 4 year max contractsGave up Ryan Mathews (1 yr), McFadden (3 yrs), R.Cobb (4 yrs), Romo (1 yr)Received M.Lynch (2 yr), Bowe (3 yr)~~~Interested to hear commentary on this one. I have tremendous WR depth, and Ray Rice/J.Stewart/Ballard/Vereen/L.Miller at RB. I may just run with what I have, or I may try to move Lynch for somebody I like better for the long term, I haven't decided yet.Thoughts?

Oof. You gave way too much man, especially not knowing where Bowe will end up, and trading away a virtual lock for top 20 production in any format (Cobb) for the next four years. Plus you gave up two potential bellcows. I don't like that at all, even with the ?'s on Mathews and McFadden.FWIW they explicitly stated they're dumping the zone blocking scheme in Oakland so McFadden could get big production next year.

 

[jonboltz]

12 team, 1/2 ppr for WR/TE only, start 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 flex, 4 year max contractsGave up Ryan Mathews (1 yr), McFadden (3 yrs), R.Cobb (4 yrs), Romo (1 yr)Received M.Lynch (2 yr), Bowe (3 yr)~~~Interested to hear commentary on this one. I have tremendous WR depth, and Ray Rice/J.Stewart/Ballard/Vereen/L.Miller at RB. I may just run with what I have, or I may try to move Lynch for somebody I like better for the long term, I haven't decided yet.Thoughts?

Oof. You gave way too much man, especially not knowing where Bowe will end up, and trading away a virtual lock for top 20 production in any format (Cobb) for the next four years. Plus you gave up two potential bellcows. I don't like that at all, even with the ?'s on Mathews and McFadden.FWIW they explicitly stated they're dumping the zone blocking scheme in Oakland so McFadden could get big production next year.

If Bowe ends up in a decent spot, I wouldn't expect too much of a drop in production from Cobb to Bowe. Lynch for 2-years to solidify his RB2 and its a good trade, IMHO.

 

[JPeso]

As for Julio, if you're going to convince me that he's the #1 overall dynasty player, you could start by convincing me that he's better than Demaryius Thomas and Dez Bryant.

Boom

Why are we still wasting time on questions between the value of AJ, Julio, Dez, DT? And even then weighted further against Calvin (perhaps next year?). It's simply a waste of everyone's time. All are pimps on a higher level, all can argued from 1 to 5 at WR, and NONE of them have a big gap on the other. Give me any of these five players and a mid 2nd and I'll deal whichever of the other 5 I had to you for yours. I mean do you guys not see the way Julio is galloping around out here??????