Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
I disagree 100% Give me Johnson. Shorts is meh and Miller is very Meh
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2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (1 Viewer)
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EBF
Footballguy
I think that's where we disagree. Shorts had a great season in a mediocre situation. He was a key player for a lot of teams last season and I don't think there's any obvious reason to believe that he was a fluke. By and large, he was pretty consistent and effective.Johnson is a fading star who will be 28 early next season. His game is all predicated on speed. The moment he loses a step, he'll be finished as a pro starter. I see 1-2 good seasons left maximum.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
There are a lot more WR2 options than RB1 options. Sure, Shorts could very soon be worth more than CJ, but it's about supply and demand.
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
That CJ deal really depends on rosters/team makeup. I have Lamar Miller in a league where my RB2 is currently Mark Ingram, but the rest of my roster is very strong. If I could turn him into CJ, I'd absolutely do it, despite the feeling that Miller could contribute this year. I like Shorts as well, but I think he is more likely a mid-20s WR that are somewhat valuable-- but more easily replaceable.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
In a vacuum, sure. But most formats don't reward WR and RB points equally (don't mean literally; I know yardage/TD typically similair). In a HyperActive league where I don't need to start 2RBs, give me Shorts. But in a league where I will need to start 2, give me Johnson. Johnson is still a 3rd round startup pick and Shorts will likely go 4-5th. And I am a big Shorts guy and not really a Johnson guy.
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
You guys are really giving Shorts much love. He will be a number 2 wr at best on a team that has QB issues.Heck Jordan Shipley stepped in for shorts last couple of games and put up similar stats. Shorts did well but I dont see anything special or someone with staying power.Just my opinion but I dont want him on any of my teams.
Shawnky
Footballguy
Looks like crap for crap.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I respect your stance, but I think you put too much weight on a 1 game sample size. I think it would be a stretch to suggest that he was a product of a system that could also make Shiply relevant. Also, the NFL is fast moving from "WR1, WR2, WR3" and is quickly moving towards creating and exploiting mismatches. In most cases, I no longer mind another top end WR being on the same team as a guy that I own.But, like you said, just our opinions and we shall see.You guys are really giving Shorts much love. He will be a number 2 wr at best on a team that has QB issues.Heck Jordan Shipley stepped in for shorts last couple of games and put up similar stats. Shorts did well but I dont see anything special or someone with staying power.Just my opinion but I dont want him on any of my teams.
I like Shorts but this is why you should expect to get a lot more than him if you are trading Chris Johnson.I know this much about every league I'm in, which are all 12 team leagues. Every year in every league multiple people will list their trade bait and leave messages saying they need a RB. When I say multiple teams every year and in every league I'm not in the least bit exaggerating. I almost never see teams list a bunch of RB's as trade bait and indicate they are only looking to trade them for a WR help.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I'd gladly take the Calvin/Nicks side, personally. Not a bad trade, though.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Well done.
The Comedian
Footballguy
Yes you did.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Would like thoughts on the following. 1PPR, 12 Team: QRRWWTFFTeam A (me) Got:Cam Newton1.01Team B Got:Trent RichardsonThanks in advance.
One More Rep
Footballguy
Pretty even deal, I would take Cam and the 1.1 without knowing the roster needs
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I think you should have followed the supply and demand opinion you took when evaluating the Shorts for Chris Johnson deal.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Once Brady, Brees, Manning retires and some other QB's start to decline this could be a bad trade for team B. Right now there's a bunch of QB's so if you already have another qb and could compete for a championship now why not. Talent wise give me Trent, Fantasy wise Team A all the way.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Fair point. But I expect the 1.01 to offer a young starting RB.And thanks to you and others that shared opinions.
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gianmarco
Footballguy
I'm not worried about the Calvin/Julio part of it. Nicks vs Wilson will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Bold trade. I'd side with the Julio/Wilson side by slight margin.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Julio is my top Dynasty Wr but I'm not giving up two elite WR's for one and a RB with a ton of talent around him on the roster.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Agree; that is likely where the winner and loser of this Will be determined. I'll take Nicks and gamble on health.
One More Rep
Footballguy
Team a gets Andre JohnsonTeam b gets Torrey Smith, 2013 round 2 pick
The Comedian
Footballguy
I think I'd prefer Bowe over anyone that's going to go 1.01. Not a horrible trade though, but I think Team B would've been better off waiting until this class materializes.
ctrlaltdefeat
Footballguy
This is one of the more interesting trades to me. Could be huge if Ingram bounces back to have a good career after a very disappointing couple of years. Bowe could be a stud with a viable quarterback but also could sign a contract and quickly become a bum. Happens all the time. Broyles and the 1.01 holds potential but also some question marks. I like it. Could be one of those trades that look back on and say wow it could have been so different.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I don't care how valuable QB's are in super flex leagues, I'd rather keep and start Graham over both Andre and Bradford in that super flex spot. And that's assuming that the guy doesn't already have two strong QB1's, since he did win the championship recently.
One More Rep
Footballguy
I will take Graham
I'd take Graham as well, but can see what he was going for. I'm probably in the minority, but I prefer Bradford to Roeth and potentially Romo if STL gives him some weapons to work with.. and Andre should have a few more elite years left (Id guess he and Brees have similar amounts left in the tank) Their notable pieces are now:Team A:
QB: Tony Romo, Roethlisberger, Sam Bradford, Gabbert
RB: Steven Jackson, Reggie Bush, Quizz, Dwyer, Turner, dThomas MIA
WR: Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Holmes, TB Mike, Steve Smith, Brazil, Dorial Green-Beckham (devy), Knox, Boykin
TE: Gronk
Team B:
QB: Stafford, Kaepernick, Pryor, Cousins
RB: Ray Rice, LeShoure, Moreno, Mendenhall, DuJuan Harris, Kendall Hunter, Vereen, DeAngelo, Best
WR: Dez Bryant, DX, DeSean, Broyles, vBrown,
TE: Jimmy Graham, Vernon Davis, Taylor Thompson, Housler
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
The fact that Team A already has Roeth as his QB2 makes me hate this deal even more for him. And the fact that Team B still has Stafford and Kaep makes me like the deal even more for him, despite Bradford's inflated value in a league like this. It leaves him weaker at WR, but it doesn't really matter because you're literally talking about the value (both starting lineup value and trade value) of Andre vs. Graham straight up. I'd rather start a healthy Graham over a healthy Andre, in the short and long term. I would have never broken up the Gronk/Graham combo if I was Team A, already having a better QB than Bradford in Roeth anyways. The Gronk/Graham/Calvin combo was a great non-QB foundation for him, and now instead he's just older with no noticeable gains at QB. Awful. Even though I see what he was going for, I don't like it at all.
kineticnfl
Footballguy
16 team, PPR, QRRWWWFFTKDTeam A gave:Steven ridleyVincent Brown2013 2nd round pickTeam B gave:Jamaal Charles2014 2nd round pick
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opensourcebeer
Footballguy
Wish I could get my hands on Charles that cheap.
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One More Rep
Footballguy
Team a gets Robert Griffin IIITeam b gets Matt Ryan
gianmarco
Footballguy
Same league... Team A receives: AJ Green/DeMarco Team B receives: D. Martin/Blackmon
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Hmm. I'd likely have to give this one some thought. Right now it seems like a toss up.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Blackmon is the key in this deal, IMO.If he takes that next step and approaches AJG/Julio territory, which is obviously a tall order, then that side definitely wins. Otherwise, short-term it's even but the team getting AJG wins longterm.
DropKick
Footballguy
I like Cam and the 1.01 because I think the value of the first pick will rise and yield a solid back. Easier to evaluate after the draft.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
gave Big Ben and JJ Wattgot Tom Brady and Lawrence Timmons
ctrlaltdefeat
Footballguy
Team A gave up 1.01 rookie pick Team B gave up Mike Wallace, #7 rookie pick & round 3 draft pick
Team 2 Gets A. Smith, Hillis, Ingram, DeseanTeam 4 Gets Palmer, D. Richardson, Sproles, HixonTeam 2 Gets Ray RiceTeam 3 Gets Harvin, 2014 1st Rounder
Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
I don't mind the gamble here by team B – looking at the rosters, B really needed the WR2 upgrade with Andre and STL is poised for a big improvement after the haul they got for RG3, so Bradford could potentially pay off nicely.Definitely a gamble on B's side though as Graham is a sure-thing. I wouldn't have pulled the trigge myselfr, but I would've strongly considered it.
garlicduck
Footballguy
12 Team PPRTeam A gave up Richardson, Daryl STL RB;Sanders, Emmanuel PIT WR;Wallace, Mike PIT WRTeam B gave up Bush, Reggie MIA RB;Austin, Miles DAL WR;Garcon, Pierre WAS WR
Dawg Pound 69
Footballguy
Prefer Team A side. Especially if Wallace stays in Pittsburgh.
