2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (1 Viewer)

[Lott's Fingertip]

16 team .25 pprGave DXGot 2.7 and 2014 2nd round pick

I'd be happy to cash out DX for that. There's always the slim chance that he makes you regret it, but let's get real. Three years in the league with a career best of 658 receiving yards. The Rams let him walk a year ago. The Chargers gave him a low tender this offseason. The tea leaves don't bode well. He's obviously got some talent, but his knees are a constant problem that seems likely to hound him forever.

I think he's a strong contender for the annual "most overrated dynasty WR" award (aka the Brandon Lloyd Trophy).

I agree that DX's chance of working out is low due to his knee issues. However, the bolded statement is so misleading.

When one talks about yearly totals, it is disingenuous to frame one's argument that way. He has played in three PARTIAL seasons, so the total production is obviously misleading, and the statement has no real value. It is TECHNICALLY true, but gives us no information about his potential going forward. Pointing out his significant knee issues is valid, cherry picking stats to paint a particular picture is not.

The reason DX carries value is that he produced as a strong WR2 over in the games he did play last year... in which he stayed healthy, and he is currently healthy. That is much more useful info than his career high yardage in three seasons.

 

[matttyl]

10 team league -

Just swapped V Jax for Blackmon.

*I already have Calvin, D Thomas, Nicks, and Crabtree - so now with Blackmon 5 of my 6 rostered WRs all have a bye on week 9, the week I play the guy I got Blackmon from. He might have "lost" on the trade, but he'll likely win week 9 now.....

 

[doowain]

12 Team PPR

Received:

Bolden, Brandon NEP RB

Richardson, Trent CLE RB

Jones, James GBP WR

Moore, Lance NOS WR

Gave up:
Thomas, Daniel MIA RB
Jackson, Vincent TBB WR
Cook, Jared STL TE
Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.10
Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.10
Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick

 

[matttyl]

12 Team PPR

Received:

Bolden, Brandon NEP RB

Richardson, Trent CLE RB

Jones, James GBP WR

Moore, Lance NOS WR

Gave up:
Thomas, Daniel MIA RB
Jackson, Vincent TBB WR
Cook, Jared STL TE
Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.10
Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.10
Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick

You won this trade hands down. Trent alone is worth more than all that.

 

[One More Rep]

Team a gets Calvin Johnson/ Daryl Richardson

Team b gets Percy Harvin/Lamar Miller/ Jared Cook

 

[matttyl]

Team a gets Calvin Johnson/ Daryl Richardson

Team b gets Percy Harvin/Lamar Miller/ Jared Cook

Depending on needs and such, I can see this being good for both teams. In a vacuum, I'm taking the CJ side.

 

[JPeso]

12 Team PPR

Received:

Bolden, Brandon NEP RB

Richardson, Trent CLE RB

Jones, James GBP WR

Moore, Lance NOS WR

Gave up:
Thomas, Daniel MIA RB
Jackson, Vincent TBB WR
Cook, Jared STL TE
Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.10
Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.10
Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick

Did you at least buy him a beer?

 

[imagroid]

0.5 ppr league and also 5 pt bonus for 100 yd games: Team A receives: Jordy NelsonTeam B receives: Alshon Jeffery/2014 1st (likely playoff team)

I think this is very cheap for Jordy, in my opinion. At the very least, it's well below market value, based on ADP.

It's certainly below market, but.. gianmarco internal conversation: "hmm, Jordy Nelson is very fair valued, perhaps overvalued." *looks at all 11 rosters* "hmm, who does Owner A through K have that is undervalued." He probably tries with 6 different owners a similar deal, but finds that 4 of the 6 don't even want Jordy at his market value, 1 of the 6 only trades if he rapes, and the last 1 of the 6 is willing to do the above deal. For him, presumably, lineup is not a huge risk (i.e. probably fine without Jordy), and further the guy he dealt Jordy to probably isn't stacking up to his squad anyways. A lot of these deals that look like big sell lows are damn near out of necessity. Some owners are willing to hold through it, others would rather invest in what they feel is undervalued. ADP has a way of making us feel like guys are worth more than they are, because we have something to point to - "Jordy Nelson should net me "x" and nothing less!" In actuality, I'm sure gianmarco shopped Jordy all he could before he got the deal above. With that said, he's probably not asking around about the Andre's and Roddy's of the world when dealing Jordy. That isn't the point of the trade. He's trying to pick up an additional piece while getting a player he feels is undervalued - another reason why market value/ADP concept in an established league becomes really tough to lean on, or else you typically end up holding because you feel entitled to more of an exit gift basket.

Okay, but I don't see how the deal helps us win & remain marketable

This is pretty much exactly the case. I post most of these deals to give an idea of values and mindsets of certain owners. Not all trades fit within the comfort zone of other owners. For reference, we start 3 WRs in this league (which has been around since 2007, so quite established) and I currently own: AJG/Julio/DT/Torrey/Hilton at WR (plus other smaller pieces like Sanders, McCluster, etc.). While Jordy is an excellent WR from a production standpoint, his loss isn't going to change my starting lineup much at all barring some major issues. His trade value is nowhere near his production value. So I can be stubborn and keep his points on my bench or I can target a couple underrated targets and see what I can get. There's a very reasonable chance I "lose" this deal and end up with 2 pieces that don't end up ever equaling Jordy's production. However, if that happens, it shouldn't change my overall team very much and I accept that risk. But, there's also a chance that Jeffery surpasses Jordy's value on his own. The extra 1st is more of "icing" to me. Add in the fact that I already have two 1sts next year, getting a 3rd has more of a cumulative effect, IMO, being able to later bundle for value.

When though? I'm not seeing it anytime soon. Call me stubborn, but I don't give away players cause it's all I can get. Jordy is a solid WR2 with top 5 upside. I think most would be thoroughly surprised if Jeffrey ended up as a WR2 anytime in the next couple years, not in that situation.

 

[gianmarco]

0.5 ppr league and also 5 pt bonus for 100 yd games: Team A receives: Jordy NelsonTeam B receives: Alshon Jeffery/2014 1st (likely playoff team)

I think this is very cheap for Jordy, in my opinion. At the very least, it's well below market value, based on ADP.

It's certainly below market, but.. gianmarco internal conversation: "hmm, Jordy Nelson is very fair valued, perhaps overvalued." *looks at all 11 rosters* "hmm, who does Owner A through K have that is undervalued." He probably tries with 6 different owners a similar deal, but finds that 4 of the 6 don't even want Jordy at his market value, 1 of the 6 only trades if he rapes, and the last 1 of the 6 is willing to do the above deal. For him, presumably, lineup is not a huge risk (i.e. probably fine without Jordy), and further the guy he dealt Jordy to probably isn't stacking up to his squad anyways. A lot of these deals that look like big sell lows are damn near out of necessity. Some owners are willing to hold through it, others would rather invest in what they feel is undervalued. ADP has a way of making us feel like guys are worth more than they are, because we have something to point to - "Jordy Nelson should net me "x" and nothing less!" In actuality, I'm sure gianmarco shopped Jordy all he could before he got the deal above. With that said, he's probably not asking around about the Andre's and Roddy's of the world when dealing Jordy. That isn't the point of the trade. He's trying to pick up an additional piece while getting a player he feels is undervalued - another reason why market value/ADP concept in an established league becomes really tough to lean on, or else you typically end up holding because you feel entitled to more of an exit gift basket.

Okay, but I don't see how the deal helps us win & remain marketable

>This is pretty much exactly the case. I post most of these deals to give an idea of values and mindsets of certain owners. Not all trades fit within the comfort zone of other owners. For reference, we start 3 WRs in this league (which has been around since 2007, so quite established) and I currently own: AJG/Julio/DT/Torrey/Hilton at WR (plus other smaller pieces like Sanders, McCluster, etc.). While Jordy is an excellent WR from a production standpoint, his loss isn't going to change my starting lineup much at all barring some major issues. His trade value is nowhere near his production value. So I can be stubborn and keep his points on my bench or I can target a couple underrated targets and see what I can get. There's a very reasonable chance I "lose" this deal and end up with 2 pieces that don't end up ever equaling Jordy's production. However, if that happens, it shouldn't change my overall team very much and I accept that risk. But, there's also a chance that Jeffery surpasses Jordy's value on his own. The extra 1st is more of "icing" to me. Add in the fact that I already have two 1sts next year, getting a 3rd has more of a cumulative effect, IMO, being able to later bundle for value.

When though? I'm not seeing it anytime soon. Call me stubborn, but I don't give away players cause it's all I can get. Jordy is a solid WR2 with top 5 upside. I think most would be thoroughly surprised if Jeffrey ended up as a WR2 anytime in the next couple years, not in that situation.

Not in what situation?

 

[EBF]

16 team .25 pprGave DXGot 2.7 and 2014 2nd round pick

I'd be happy to cash out DX for that. There's always the slim chance that he makes you regret it, but let's get real. Three years in the league with a career best of 658 receiving yards. The Rams let him walk a year ago. The Chargers gave him a low tender this offseason. The tea leaves don't bode well. He's obviously got some talent, but his knees are a constant problem that seems likely to hound him forever.

I think he's a strong contender for the annual "most overrated dynasty WR" award (aka the Brandon Lloyd Trophy).

I agree that DX's chance of working out is low due to his knee issues. However, the bolded statement is so misleading.

When one talks about yearly totals, it is disingenuous to frame one's argument that way. He has played in three PARTIAL seasons, so the total production is obviously misleading, and the statement has no real value. It is TECHNICALLY true, but gives us no information about his potential going forward. Pointing out his significant knee issues is valid, cherry picking stats to paint a particular picture is not.

The reason DX carries value is that he produced as a strong WR2 over in the games he did play last year... in which he stayed healthy, and he is currently healthy. That is much more useful info than his career high yardage in three seasons.

I get why people like him, but as the saying goes, "The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior." If the guy has been unable to stay healthy over the past several years then it would be pretty surprising to see him suddenly break that pattern. I think right now is a sell high window because his success last season is still fresh on everyone's mind. Another knee injury and suddenly he's worthless again. Let's remember that this guy wasn't even on a pro roster going into last season. It's a shame really because he seems to have a lot of talent, but he wouldn't be the first guy to have his career torpedoed by injuries.

The fact that San Diego gave him a low tender is a bit telling IMO, as I think they would've risked more to retain his services if they valued him highly. For that matter, the Rams weren't exactly stacked with WR talent when they let him go. I could be wrong, but it seems like these teams don't have a great degree of faith in him.

 

[humpback]

16 team .25 pprGave DXGot 2.7 and 2014 2nd round pick

I'd be happy to cash out DX for that. There's always the slim chance that he makes you regret it, but let's get real. Three years in the league with a career best of 658 receiving yards. The Rams let him walk a year ago. The Chargers gave him a low tender this offseason. The tea leaves don't bode well. He's obviously got some talent, but his knees are a constant problem that seems likely to hound him forever.

I think he's a strong contender for the annual "most overrated dynasty WR" award (aka the Brandon Lloyd Trophy).

I agree that DX's chance of working out is low due to his knee issues. However, the bolded statement is so misleading.

When one talks about yearly totals, it is disingenuous to frame one's argument that way. He has played in three PARTIAL seasons, so the total production is obviously misleading, and the statement has no real value. It is TECHNICALLY true, but gives us no information about his potential going forward. Pointing out his significant knee issues is valid, cherry picking stats to paint a particular picture is not.

The reason DX carries value is that he produced as a strong WR2 over in the games he did play last year... in which he stayed healthy, and he is currently healthy. That is much more useful info than his career high yardage in three seasons.

I get why people like him, but as the saying goes, "The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior." If the guy has been unable to stay healthy over the past several years then it would be pretty surprising to see him suddenly break that pattern. I think right now is a sell high window because his success last season is still fresh on everyone's mind. Another knee injury and suddenly he's worthless again. Let's remember that this guy wasn't even on a pro roster going into last season. It's a shame really because he seems to have a lot of talent, but he wouldn't be the first guy to have his career torpedoed by injuries.

The fact that San Diego gave him a low tender is a bit telling IMO, as I think they would've risked more to retain his services if they valued him highly. For that matter, the Rams weren't exactly stacked with WR talent when they let him go. I could be wrong, but it seems like these teams don't have a great degree of faith in him.

You mention this a lot. In general, I'll sell "high" on most players, depending on the details. The poster got the 23rd pick in this draft, and another pick that will be somewhere between #17-#32 a year from now. That, IMO, isn't "high" for a guy with his shown upside.

 

[humpback]

12 Team PPR

Received:

Bolden, Brandon NEP RB

Richardson, Trent CLE RB

Jones, James GBP WR

Moore, Lance NOS WR

Gave up:
Thomas, Daniel MIA RB
Jackson, Vincent TBB WR
Cook, Jared STL TE
Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.10
Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.10
Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick

:X

 

[Dez]

I guess anything is possible after seeing this one that just happened - 16 team PPR

QB Tony Romo - DalRB Adrian Petersen - MinFor

WR Rueben Randle - NYGTE Owen Daniels - HouQB Jake Locker - Ten2014 1st Rd Draft pick$30 DAD bucks (We get $50 per year for FA bidding)

 

[One More Rep]

I guess anything is possible after seeing this one that just happened - 16 team PPR

QB Tony Romo - DalRB Adrian Petersen - MinFor

WR Rueben Randle - NYGTE Owen Daniels - HouQB Jake Locker - Ten2014 1st Rd Draft pick$30 DAD bucks (We get $50 per year for FA bidding)

Ouch

 

[cstu]

16 team .25 pprGave DXGot 2.7 and 2014 2nd round pick

I'd be happy to cash out DX for that. There's always the slim chance that he makes you regret it, but let's get real. Three years in the league with a career best of 658 receiving yards. The Rams let him walk a year ago. The Chargers gave him a low tender this offseason. The tea leaves don't bode well. He's obviously got some talent, but his knees are a constant problem that seems likely to hound him forever.

I think he's a strong contender for the annual "most overrated dynasty WR" award (aka the Brandon Lloyd Trophy).

I agree that DX's chance of working out is low due to his knee issues. However, the bolded statement is so misleading.

When one talks about yearly totals, it is disingenuous to frame one's argument that way. He has played in three PARTIAL seasons, so the total production is obviously misleading, and the statement has no real value. It is TECHNICALLY true, but gives us no information about his potential going forward. Pointing out his significant knee issues is valid, cherry picking stats to paint a particular picture is not.

The reason DX carries value is that he produced as a strong WR2 over in the games he did play last year... in which he stayed healthy, and he is currently healthy. That is much more useful info than his career high yardage in three seasons.

I get why people like him, but as the saying goes, "The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior." If the guy has been unable to stay healthy over the past several years then it would be pretty surprising to see him suddenly break that pattern. I think right now is a sell high window because his success last season is still fresh on everyone's mind. Another knee injury and suddenly he's worthless again. Let's remember that this guy wasn't even on a pro roster going into last season. It's a shame really because he seems to have a lot of talent, but he wouldn't be the first guy to have his career torpedoed by injuries.

The fact that San Diego gave him a low tender is a bit telling IMO, as I think they would've risked more to retain his services if they valued him highly. For that matter, the Rams weren't exactly stacked with WR talent when they let him go. I could be wrong, but it seems like these teams don't have a great degree of faith in him.

You mention this a lot. In general, I'll sell "high" on most players, depending on the details. The poster got the 23rd pick in this draft, and another pick that will be somewhere between #17-#32 a year from now. That, IMO, isn't "high" for a guy with his shown upside.

It's good for a guy with no knees. He's got a $1.3M contract with no draft pick compensation yet there are still no takers. Donnie Avery got a 3 year/$11M deal, think about that.

 

[humpback]

16 team .25 pprGave DXGot 2.7 and 2014 2nd round pick

I'd be happy to cash out DX for that. There's always the slim chance that he makes you regret it, but let's get real. Three years in the league with a career best of 658 receiving yards. The Rams let him walk a year ago. The Chargers gave him a low tender this offseason. The tea leaves don't bode well. He's obviously got some talent, but his knees are a constant problem that seems likely to hound him forever.

I think he's a strong contender for the annual "most overrated dynasty WR" award (aka the Brandon Lloyd Trophy).

I agree that DX's chance of working out is low due to his knee issues. However, the bolded statement is so misleading.

When one talks about yearly totals, it is disingenuous to frame one's argument that way. He has played in three PARTIAL seasons, so the total production is obviously misleading, and the statement has no real value. It is TECHNICALLY true, but gives us no information about his potential going forward. Pointing out his significant knee issues is valid, cherry picking stats to paint a particular picture is not.

The reason DX carries value is that he produced as a strong WR2 over in the games he did play last year... in which he stayed healthy, and he is currently healthy. That is much more useful info than his career high yardage in three seasons.

I get why people like him, but as the saying goes, "The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior." If the guy has been unable to stay healthy over the past several years then it would be pretty surprising to see him suddenly break that pattern. I think right now is a sell high window because his success last season is still fresh on everyone's mind. Another knee injury and suddenly he's worthless again. Let's remember that this guy wasn't even on a pro roster going into last season. It's a shame really because he seems to have a lot of talent, but he wouldn't be the first guy to have his career torpedoed by injuries.

The fact that San Diego gave him a low tender is a bit telling IMO, as I think they would've risked more to retain his services if they valued him highly. For that matter, the Rams weren't exactly stacked with WR talent when they let him go. I could be wrong, but it seems like these teams don't have a great degree of faith in him.

You mention this a lot. In general, I'll sell "high" on most players, depending on the details. The poster got the 23rd pick in this draft, and another pick that will be somewhere between #17-#32 a year from now. That, IMO, isn't "high" for a guy with his shown upside.

It's good for a guy with no knees. He's got a $1.3M contract with no draft pick compensation yet there are still no takers. Donnie Avery got a 3 year/$11M deal, think about that.

There were rumors that a few teams were interested, but didn't want to waste their time if SD was just going to match their offer, but I agree with the gist. He'll never get a big contract because of his injury history, and it's pretty likely that he won't hold up for very long, but I still don't see those picks as selling "high". If DX gives you another good stretch like he did at the end of last season, he'd be more valuable than those picks IMO, who are highly unlikely to be FF relevant.

 

[EBF]

I value picks a little more than most owners. The odds don't favor you finding a superstar every time you make a pick, but there are good players to be had in every draft. In the past few years I've gotten guys like Cam Newton, Kyle Rudolph, Chris Givens, Jimmy Graham, Randall Cobb, Bernard Pierce, Mike Williams, and Aaron Hernandez outside the first round of rookie drafts. There is always quality to be had.

With that in mind, I'd rather have a couple reasonable lottery tickets than Alexander. He's just too volatile and too likely to implode.

 

[JPeso]

I value picks a little more than most owners. The odds don't favor you finding a superstar every time you make a pick, but there are good players to be had in every draft. In the past few years I've gotten guys like Cam Newton, Kyle Rudolph, Chris Givens, Jimmy Graham, Randall Cobb, Bernard Pierce, Mike Williams, and Aaron Hernandez outside the first round of rookie drafts. There is always quality to be had.

With that in mind, I'd rather have a couple reasonable lottery tickets than Alexander. He's just too volatile and too likely to implode.

You also drafted Clyde Gates, Dion Lewis, Mardy Gilyard, Brandon Tate, Dillard, Ced Peerman, Laurent Robinson, this in just one league.

 

[EBF]

I value picks a little more than most owners. The odds don't favor you finding a superstar every time you make a pick, but there are good players to be had in every draft. In the past few years I've gotten guys like Cam Newton, Kyle Rudolph, Chris Givens, Jimmy Graham, Randall Cobb, Bernard Pierce, Mike Williams, and Aaron Hernandez outside the first round of rookie drafts. There is always quality to be had.

With that in mind, I'd rather have a couple reasonable lottery tickets than Alexander. He's just too volatile and too likely to implode.

You also drafted Clyde Gates, Dion Lewis, Mardy Gilyard, Brandon Tate, Dillard, Ced Peerman, Laurent Robinson, this in just one league.

It's definitely a crapshoot. Give me a 35% chance at Graham/Newton/Cobb/Williams/Hernandez over Alexander any day.

 

[humpback]

I value picks a little more than most owners. The odds don't favor you finding a superstar every time you make a pick, but there are good players to be had in every draft. In the past few years I've gotten guys like Cam Newton, Kyle Rudolph, Chris Givens, Jimmy Graham, Randall Cobb, Bernard Pierce, Mike Williams, and Aaron Hernandez outside the first round of rookie drafts. There is always quality to be had.

With that in mind, I'd rather have a couple reasonable lottery tickets than Alexander. He's just too volatile and too likely to implode.

I know you do, that's what I'm talking about- you quickly point out how a certain player isn't likely to be a stud, but you rarely if ever point out that the draft picks will probably bust as well. I'm not saying that odds aren't that you will get a superstar with every pick, I'm saying that the odds are that the player you pick there will be completely irrelevant. Of course good, even great, players will be taken after that spot, but you don't get "the field", you get one pick. Chances are very strong that it isn't going to be a difference maker. Cherry picking a few guys you may have drafted in the 2nd round doesn't tell the whole story- I'd bet you have quite a few more misses than hits, as have I. You also have to consider that this is a 16-team league (the pick this year is #23), which is a lot different than if this was pick #11 or #13.

That being said, I don't fault people for wanting to take one gamble over the other, just pointing out that your odds of a payoff on the draft picks is pretty dismal as well.

 

[jmo87usc]

Team A gave: sproles, pierre thomas 1.09 and 1.11

Team B gave: 1.01, justin forsett, 2014 3rd

 

[humpback]

I value picks a little more than most owners. The odds don't favor you finding a superstar every time you make a pick, but there are good players to be had in every draft. In the past few years I've gotten guys like Cam Newton, Kyle Rudolph, Chris Givens, Jimmy Graham, Randall Cobb, Bernard Pierce, Mike Williams, and Aaron Hernandez outside the first round of rookie drafts. There is always quality to be had.

With that in mind, I'd rather have a couple reasonable lottery tickets than Alexander. He's just too volatile and too likely to implode.

You also drafted Clyde Gates, Dion Lewis, Mardy Gilyard, Brandon Tate, Dillard, Ced Peerman, Laurent Robinson, this in just one league.

It's definitely a crapshoot. Give me a 35% chance at Graham/Newton/Cobb/Williams/Hernandez over Alexander any day.

If you can make a trade that would give you that chance, I'd agree (well, besides Williams). I don't think those picks get you anywhere close to that.

 

[JohnW1970]

12 team PPR

Gave: Rod Streater

Got: A. Hawkins, 2.11 and 4.06

Not a big fan of either WR, so the two picks are free lottery tickets to me.

 

[Dez]

16 team PPR (Get $50 money per year to use on FA/RFA/Franchise tag/trading)

Britt, Kenny TEN WRFloyd, Michael ARI WRYear 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick

$25

FOR

Foster, Arian HOU RBYear 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick

 

[j0nese]

So this is for Team #2 in signature; I have made 3 trades this off season revamping my team:

First Trade:

Gave: 1.2 & 1.3

Got: R. Rice

Second Trade:

Gave: M. Ingram, 2.2, 3.2

Got: James Jones

Third Trade:

Gave Pettigrew, DHB, 4.2

Got: Witten, 5.4, 6.4

So thoughts on these?

 

[Kree]

So this is for Team #2 in signature; I have made 3 trades this off season revamping my team:

First Trade:

Gave: 1.2 & 1.3

Got: R. Rice

You ripped off the Rice owner big time.

Second Trade:

Gave: M. Ingram, 2.2, 3.2

Got: James Jones

Don't think Jones is a long term, high end asset... That being said, Ingram isn't either, and I like Ingram more than most here. You needed WR help badly though, so I probably would have made a similar move. You would expect Jones to remain a end-WR2 with Jennings gone.

Gave Pettigrew, DHB, 4.2

Got: Witten, 5.4, 6.4

Good short term upgrade for minimal cost

Considering the fairly long starting lineup, definitely need to shore up the WR crew still, so it'll take some creative thinking with what you have left. Had to make the Rice move, and with it the Jones move came naturally. Although if you consider yourself in a heavy rebuild, maybe maximise your Rice return by moving him on now rather than in two years time. Nice haul overall.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Second Trade:

Gave: M. Ingram, 2.2, 3.2

Got: James Jones

Don't think Jones is a long term, high end asset... That being said, Ingram isn't either, and I like Ingram more than most here. You needed WR help badly though, so I probably would have made a similar move. You would expect Jones to remain a end-WR2 with Jennings gone.

I would rather have Ingram than Jones in standard scoring.

 

[Kree]

Second Trade:

Gave: M. Ingram, 2.2, 3.2

Got: James Jones

Don't think Jones is a long term, high end asset... That being said, Ingram isn't either, and I like Ingram more than most here. You needed WR help badly though, so I probably would have made a similar move. You would expect Jones to remain a end-WR2 with Jennings gone.

I would rather have Ingram than Jones in standard scoring.

In a vacuum, but a WR corp of DJax/Shorts/old and mediocre needs something in a league where you have to start 3 if not 4 WRs.

I wouldn't have targeted Jones is the issue here.

 

[thriftyrocker]

In a vacuum, but a WR corp of DJax/Shorts/old and mediocre needs something in a league where you have to start 3 if not 4 WRs.

I wouldn't have targeted Jones is the issue here.

Co-sign.

 

[ghostguy123]

So this is for Team #2 in signature; I have made 3 trades this off season revamping my team:

First Trade:

Gave: 1.2 & 1.3

Got: R. Rice

Second Trade:

Gave: M. Ingram, 2.2, 3.2

Got: James Jones

Third Trade:

Gave Pettigrew, DHB, 4.2

Got: Witten, 5.4, 6.4

So thoughts on these?

The deal to get Rice was silly. Th deal to get Witten was great also. You have up a bit much to get Jones probably, but I dont care for ingram at all (some people do though, is the point), but Jones should help enough with the additions of Rice and Witten to possibly help you get far.

Overall all three trades combined, you killed it

 

[eefflrat]

$220 cap IDP

Traded Josh Gordon $10 and Vernon Davis $10 for Ballard $4, and Maclin $10, Roman Harper $1

 

[j0nese]

Second Trade:

Gave: M. Ingram, 2.2, 3.2

Got: James Jones

Don't think Jones is a long term, high end asset... That being said, Ingram isn't either, and I like Ingram more than most here. You needed WR help badly though, so I probably would have made a similar move. You would expect Jones to remain a end-WR2 with Jennings gone.

I would rather have Ingram than Jones in standard scoring.

In a vacuum, but a WR corp of DJax/Shorts/old and mediocre needs something in a league where you have to start 3 if not 4 WRs.

I wouldn't have targeted Jones is the issue here.

I tired various other packages to get another WR but got no where with the offers. With the ability to start up to 4 wr's I know this is my weakest area. I have never been high on Ingram and am willing to take the gamble on Jones

 

[One More Rep]

$220 cap IDPTraded Josh Gordon $10 and Vernon Davis $10 for Ballard $4, and Maclin $10, Roman Harper $1

Gordon/Davis side

 

[JohnW1970]

14 team PPR league with devy to rookie picks are a bit devalued.

Gave: Bilal Powell

Got: 2014 2nd round pick

Figure better get something for Powell in case Ivory goes to the Jets.

 

[1-2-many]

16 team .25 pprGave DXGot 2.7 and 2014 2nd round pick

I'd be happy to cash out DX for that. There's always the slim chance that he makes you regret it, but let's get real. Three years in the league with a career best of 658 receiving yards. The Rams let him walk a year ago. The Chargers gave him a low tender this offseason. The tea leaves don't bode well. He's obviously got some talent, but his knees are a constant problem that seems likely to hound him forever. I think he's a strong contender for the annual "most overrated dynasty WR" award (aka the Brandon Lloyd Trophy).

I am sitting pretty good at WR (dez, Julio, g. Tate, michael Floyd, Givens, Streeter only start 2) so I figured I would cash in now. I don't think there is anyway I could of gotten any more for him, now I have two lottery tickets. Pretty happy about it.

 

[cstu]

14 team PPR league with devy to rookie picks are a bit devalued.

Gave: Bilal Powell

Got: 2014 2nd round pick

Figure better get something for Powell in case Ivory goes to the Jets.

Good deal even if they don't get Ivory.

 

[humpback]

Second Trade:

Gave: M. Ingram, 2.2, 3.2

Got: James Jones

Don't think Jones is a long term, high end asset... That being said, Ingram isn't either, and I like Ingram more than most here. You needed WR help badly though, so I probably would have made a similar move. You would expect Jones to remain a end-WR2 with Jennings gone.

I would rather have Ingram than Jones in standard scoring.

In a vacuum, but a WR corp of DJax/Shorts/old and mediocre needs something in a league where you have to start 3 if not 4 WRs.

I wouldn't have targeted Jones is the issue here.

I tired various other packages to get another WR but got no where with the offers. With the ability to start up to 4 wr's I know this is my weakest area. I have never been high on Ingram and am willing to take the gamble on Jones

How many teams in the league? The problem I have with it is that, unless this is a very large league, I don't think your team is very competitive even after the deals. You traded away quite a few decent, young prospects and picks. I think the value you got overall was good (besides Jones probably), but you may have been better served sticking with what you had for your rebuild.

 

[j0nese]

Second Trade:

Gave: M. Ingram, 2.2, 3.2

Got: James Jones

Don't think Jones is a long term, high end asset... That being said, Ingram isn't either, and I like Ingram more than most here. You needed WR help badly though, so I probably would have made a similar move. You would expect Jones to remain a end-WR2 with Jennings gone.

I would rather have Ingram than Jones in standard scoring.

In a vacuum, but a WR corp of DJax/Shorts/old and mediocre needs something in a league where you have to start 3 if not 4 WRs.

I wouldn't have targeted Jones is the issue here.

I tired various other packages to get another WR but got no where with the offers. With the ability to start up to 4 wr's I know this is my weakest area. I have never been high on Ingram and am willing to take the gamble on Jones

How many teams in the league? The problem I have with it is that, unless this is a very large league, I don't think your team is very competitive even after the deals. You traded away quite a few decent, young prospects and picks. I think the value you got overall was good (besides Jones probably), but you may have been better served sticking with what you had for your rebuild.

It's a 12 team league; and being able to start 4 wr's every game the majority of owners have between 8-12 wr's rostered. The top wr available (just dropped with draft coming up) is Santana Moss (#48 scoring wr) Where James Jones finished #17 in wr scoring.

Maybe I am a little higher on J. Jones than most but he was on the field for 91% of the offensive plays; final 3 games of reg season & 2 playoff games he had 26rec, 360yds, and 6 tds. I am willing to gamble on him over Ingram (who prob will never start for me over Rice, R. Bush/Leshoure, & BJGE) & (esp since Ivory just signed his tender and I think will push Ingram down to 4th rb in a pass happy offense IMHO)

 

[Evil G]

Unbelievable huge deal as Cobb continues to make his way around in two of my three Dynasty Leagues.

PPR, QRRWWTKD + 2 Flex. One Flex can be a QB

Team India gives:

Harvin

Cobb

1.01

Team Juliet gives:

Julio

DMC

1.08

2014 1st (will be in the back half)

Cobb has been traded recently twice in each League !

I am neither Owner in this trade above, a blockbuster.

 

[cstu]

Unbelievable huge deal as Cobb continues to make his way around in two of my three Dynasty Leagues.

PPR, QRRWWTKD + 2 Flex. One Flex can be a QB

Team India gives:

Harvin

Cobb

1.01

Team Juliet gives:

Julio

DMC

1.08

2014 1st (will be in the back half)

Cobb has been traded recently twice in each League !

I am neither Owner in this trade above, a blockbuster.

Since it's a superflex I'd take the Harvin, Cobb, 1.01 side.

 

[tarheel1unc]

14 Team Dynasty Orphan PPR

I'm short on receivers and long on young rb's

Gave: I Pead RB St Louis

Get: D Moore WR Oakland

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

12 team, start Q/R/R/W/W/W/T/flex, 1/2 ppr for WR/TE only, 4 yr max contracts

Team A receives Amendola (2 yr), G.Little (3 yr)

Team B receives pick 1.04

 

[Matt's Eagles]

Not involved in trade

Team A trades:

Pead, Isaiah STL RB;Wilson, David NYG RB;Moore, Denarius OAK WR;Davis, Fred WAS TE; Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.03

Team B trades:

McFadden, Darren OAK RB;Rudolph, Kyle MIN TE; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.08;Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.08

 

[sriki]

I will take julio side all day.

Unbelievable huge deal as Cobb continues to make his way around in two of my three Dynasty Leagues.

PPR, QRRWWTKD + 2 Flex. One Flex can be a QB

Team India gives:

Harvin

Cobb

1.01

Team Juliet gives:

Julio

DMC

1.08

2014 1st (will be in the back half)

Cobb has been traded recently twice in each League !

I am neither Owner in this trade above, a blockbuster

 

[JustinHawkins]

shocked at how cheap Trent Richardson went in that trade for basically V-Jax, Cook, late 1st, and 2014 1st. wow.

 

[JPeso]

Unbelievable huge deal as Cobb continues to make his way around in two of my three Dynasty Leagues.

PPR, QRRWWTKD + 2 Flex. One Flex can be a QB

Team India gives:

Harvin

Cobb

1.01

Team Juliet gives:

Julio

DMC

1.08

2014 1st (will be in the back half)

Cobb has been traded recently twice in each League !

I am neither Owner in this trade above, a blockbuster.

Since it's a superflex I'd take the Harvin, Cobb, 1.01 side.

Since it's superflex I think it's even better for the Julio side.

 

[a_rackowski]

In our league pick 1.1 was just traded for Frank Gore and Kenny Britt.

 

[doubletrouble]

My:

1.3

for

His:

MJD and Miles Austin

full ppr

 

[sriki]

In our league pick 1.1 was just traded for Frank Gore and Kenny Britt.

Againg RB with injury/other issues potential stud WR for 1.1. Interesting trade since it could blow up on the face for the owner trading away britt/gore. I would rather be the one receiving the two players

 

[kutta]

Team A gave: Ray Rice, Shonn Greene

Team B gave: Ramses Barden, Michael Crabtree, 2013 1.03

ETA: 12 team PPR, start 1 RB, 3 WR, 1 Flex RB/WR