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2013 Official Dallas Cowboys Thread (1 Viewer)
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simmonjm
Footballguy
Did not realize how good Dallas has been in the red zone this year when they flashed the stat today during the game; #2 only behind Denver. Garrett/Callahan might be getting it, now if only they could improve on third down. http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct
Hunterbeer
Footballguy
For all of the crap we gave Jerry about drafting Frederick (yes,still too high, but. . .) he ws a beast against a constantly blitzing defense today. Along with Smith, who is the same age as the top two picks in this last draft, our line is looking better and better.
dhockster
Footballguy
A good test for the Cowboys this week. Even if it is an average Bears team, The game is in a tough road venue, and it is on Monday night so there is added pressure for both teams. If the Cowboys lose, I will have a hard time changing my opinion that they are just an average team. If they win, they start to look like a team that is getting on a roll at the right time. Of course how they win or lose will still affect how I view them.
Which Cowboy team shows up on Monday night?
Which Cowboy team shows up on Monday night?
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Forte, Alshon, Marshall...we're gonna need to drop 34 to win. Yeesh.
Chicago can't stop the run. Hint, Jason. Just a hint.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
I'll speak for myself in saying no. But, it is a positive that we didn't lose these last two games and, more importantly, they were generally quality efforts back-to-back.
I was actually thinking of you when I clicked on this thread. I was wondering how Cobalt was reacting to a couple of victories and first place in the division.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Yeah, we've been in first place for much of the season, and I really don't have a strong reaction to wins against bad teams. But, I appreciate the improved effort and execution, which has been better the past couple games. Not sure if that's sustainable or just a byproduct of facing inferior competition. I want to see this translate against a quality team at some point. Chicago is a big test.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
I can see a similar defensive game plan as was used against NYG. 2 deep safeties to help avoid big pass plays to the dynamic WRs. Do your best against the run with 7 men. (Having Lee back will help some). Force them to work their way down the field and hope they make a mistake along the way.cobalt_27 said:
I can see the Bears trying a similar plan against the Dallas O.
I think this game coming down to turnovers. Dallas wins the TO battle, they win the game most likely.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I'm trying not to think about it but we all know what's coming week 17.
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Manster
Footballguy
Its pretty good.
I think people forget that this bunch didnt have much of a pedigree at all. And, they started pretty bad, almost getting a young Aikman killed. They came together and became a dominant force.
I miss that offense! When they were clickin, nobody was stoppin em.
I think people forget that this bunch didnt have much of a pedigree at all. And, they started pretty bad, almost getting a young Aikman killed. They came together and became a dominant force.
I miss that offense! When they were clickin, nobody was stoppin em.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
We are bias but they're right there. You have those 85 Bears, 86 Giants, 84 49ers as all great teams and of course others, but that Cowboy team had it all, they would have been very difficult for any team to beat.
As for today's game, they need to pound the run and use play action. Usually Dallas doesn't turn the ball over much if you stick to that recipe. The game will be close, Chicago plays pretty tough at home so if we do win we'll have to take it from them.
Manster
Footballguy
Well here we are. Its December and the playoff picture is taking shape. The Cowboys are in 1st in the East.
We were able to run the ball effectively last week. Murray is healthy!
We get Sean Lee back! Hooray!
Bernadeau has been getting praise for stepping up his game.....good, he's better than suck.
Ware says he's feeling strong.
Its nice to be getting relatively healthy for the playoff push.
Its gonna be in the teens with gusty winds. Cold, but shouldnt hamper game plans much.
What worries me is da bears' twin tower WR's.
McCown has played competitive and smart.
You know MartyB is gonna is gonna be fired up for this one.
Cant forget about Forte. He's a very dynamic back. Did I mention I'm excited that Lee is back?!
Oh yea, and Lance Briggs is still out.
I feel like this will be a close game thats gonna come down to a handfull of plays. It would be a good time for D.ware to come out and have a dominant performance! If McCown has time those big targets of his might have a big day.
Lets go Cowboys! We are ready for this team to step it up in December, instead of turning into a lawn chair like usual!
We were able to run the ball effectively last week. Murray is healthy!
We get Sean Lee back! Hooray!
Bernadeau has been getting praise for stepping up his game.....good, he's better than suck.
Ware says he's feeling strong.
Its nice to be getting relatively healthy for the playoff push.
Its gonna be in the teens with gusty winds. Cold, but shouldnt hamper game plans much.
What worries me is da bears' twin tower WR's.
McCown has played competitive and smart.
You know MartyB is gonna is gonna be fired up for this one.
Cant forget about Forte. He's a very dynamic back. Did I mention I'm excited that Lee is back?!
Oh yea, and Lance Briggs is still out.
I feel like this will be a close game thats gonna come down to a handfull of plays. It would be a good time for D.ware to come out and have a dominant performance! If McCown has time those big targets of his might have a big day.
Lets go Cowboys! We are ready for this team to step it up in December, instead of turning into a lawn chair like usual!
Bankerguy
Footballguy
DreamTheater
Footballguy
Bankerguy
Footballguy
cobalt_27
Footballguy
It will dominate the narrative here this week for the few folks who will come in to post.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Starts off with - How are you doing guys? Are you ####### kidding me.
Thought he should play field position instead of go for it.
We didn't do enough to win a football game.
We couldn't match them in points...you don't say.
We will get better...yada yada yada.
jkruppe
Footballguy
You realize that you're a big reason this thread is slow, right? Your insufferable whining is difficult to take, although, predictable.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
jkruppe
Footballguy
I'm obviously as disappointed as any fan should be. Terrible game. Another embarrassment. But again, not entirely unexpected with that defense. A lot of those guys don't even belong on an NFL roster...let alone playing significant time.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
hamster_13
Footballguy
As a football fan and Dez owner, I really don't understand how you only target him 4 times in any given game. I realize he has fumbling issues, but he as also shown he can dominate when given the chance. Are the cowboys locked into the contract they gave Romo this offseason?
fatness
Footballguy
DreamTheater
Footballguy
No sarcasm at all...I am a 25 year fan of this team, that has come to the realization that this is all this team is ever going to be. Every year we go in thinking it will be better than the last, and it always turns out the same. Can anyone here realistically argue that this team will be any more that a 7-9 win team and a 1st round out for the unforseeable future ?
Not just last night's loss either, it should have never been close in the Oakland game.
T WIlliams was playing well, settling into that #2 WR position, and now Austin decides to show up, WIlliams is nowhere to be seen execpt for 1 catch in garbage time.
This defense is horrendous..I understand there are injuries, but every team has them. Some of these guys just suck.
Kiffin got killed at USC and not that has carried over to here.
I dont know what the answer is minus Jerry handing over all personnel to a qualified GM, and we know thats never happening.
And from what I undersatnd we are in Salary Cap Hell next year so really cant make any major player changes anyway.
Manster
Footballguy
Wow that was a horrible game. McCown made our D look silly. I cant really comment on a lot of the 2nd half. I turned it off after the bears went up 42-14.
We'll prolly go to GB and lose to go 7-7. I think rodgers is back. Then we have the skins and eagles. The skins are garbage, but that doesnt mean we beat em, cuz we are pretty much garbage too. The eagles are on an up swing and will most likely beat a fading cowboys team........ugghhh. 7-9 here we come! Nice work skeletore!
We'll prolly go to GB and lose to go 7-7. I think rodgers is back. Then we have the skins and eagles. The skins are garbage, but that doesnt mean we beat em, cuz we are pretty much garbage too. The eagles are on an up swing and will most likely beat a fading cowboys team........ugghhh. 7-9 here we come! Nice work skeletore!
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
this doesn't sound like something that commonly happens?like even in the bucs and lions winless seasons?
when I first saw that, I had to do a double take to see if I was reading it right, it just seemed wrong. intuitively I knew the defense has been putrid, but seeing that really puts things in stark relief. when the defense is that bad, makes it kind of hard for the offense to have a chance. almost like they have already lost getting off the bus. without looking it up, I wonder if some of those games coincide with the time frame of sean lee being out, but than again, he was back last night (albeit had to leave the game at one point, I think).
they have some building blocks on defense. just need some DL, LBs and DBs. seriously, they have a few players out, but I think in retrospect spencer was one of the bigger ones. but when things are this bad, not sure how much he could help. as bad as last year was, they looked like the '83 bears in comparison. is claiborne becoming increasingly viewed as a bust? is there a sense of if kiffin will be back next year?
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culdeus
Footballguy
I don't think claiborne is a bust, but the guy was not the right guy for this scheme. And the building blocks they have are also not ideal for this scheme. With the cap situation you are going to either see them extend these ill fitting pieces to the point where they are getting paid well past their useful life or cut them outright and take the lump next year.
I would hope Jerry would step down, cut every veteran to get this thing down to the 2-14 level with cap space and rebuild with two drafts with a clear vision on both sides. You know, kind of like what happened in 1989....
simmonjm
Footballguy
Kiffin continues to impress me. Just when I thought there is no way the Cowboys can play worse than the Saints game against a back up journeyman QB no less. Kiffin needs to be fired right now. You know its bad when I am asking for a coach to be fired mid season. Replace him with Marinelli. I tried giving Kiffin the benefit of the doubt but with all the returning starters there is simply no excuse for his performance last night. No need to go back in past but I was not on board with giving up Ryan and making the dramatic switch to the 4-3 and here we are. Pretty much in no mans land. I think at this point start looking for a 4-3 coordinator to replace Kiffin or give the job to Marinelli for the next season.
The offense at this point is pretty much set give or take a small deficiency or two. Currently the #3 scoring team in all of the NFL. For this draft you go strictly defense unless some ridiculous value like presents itself. I still think you have a 2 year window with Ware, Witten, and others. Salary cap is a concern no doubt though.
The offense at this point is pretty much set give or take a small deficiency or two. Currently the #3 scoring team in all of the NFL. For this draft you go strictly defense unless some ridiculous value like presents itself. I still think you have a 2 year window with Ware, Witten, and others. Salary cap is a concern no doubt though.
Add in trading up for Claiborne.DreamTheater said:
Where the hell is the rebuild the lines philosophy when it comes to the draft for the last several years.
Smith drafted high turned out great. Frederick so far so good. Where are the rest of the linemen?
Forkin GM Jerry needs to check his ego at the door.
This is embarassing 
Ridgelake
Footballguy
Bob, Sean Lee was hurt during both of NO and Chicago game. He was present on the field for Denver, when they actually forced 1 punt.Bob Magaw said:
Dallas is playing a huge number of scrubs. They've had 39 different players get defensive snaps this year.
After last year's draft, the DL was expected to be: Ware, Ratliff, Hatcher, Spencer. This was to be backed up by 2nd year man Crawford, Sean Lissemore, Josh Brent, and Kyle Wilber. Ware got hurt in game 4 (stinger) and hasn't been right since. Ratliff never suited up this year. Nor did Spencer. Hatcher has been good all year and leads the team with 9 sacks. Crawford tore his Achilles in the first camp practice. Brent, shall we say, retired. Wilber has been moved to LB where he is clearly a better fit. And Lissemore was traded before the season started. So on the roster last night, all of 2 DL who they expected to be on the team were there. And Ware is not healthy. Everyone else was off the street since the start of training camp.
At LB, Lee has been a pro bowler. Bruce Carter was to be the perfect fit for this system at WOLB. Justin Durant, was to be SOLB. Backups were to be 6th rounder Holloman and Ernie Sims. Carter has been mediocre at best. Clearly not showing awareness. Sims was signed off the street last year and its clear why. Holloman and Durant have been hurt most of the year. The defense on the field at the end of the game yesterday were guys off the street.
At CB, Carr is the $50 million man who hasn't played up to his contract this year. Claiborne was generally regarded as the top defensive player in his draft 2 years ago. But he hasn't been healthy in 2 years and is way behind in learning as a result. He may still develop into an above-average CB. But he needs a healthy offseason followed by a healthy regular season. He hasn't had either yet. Scandrick is an above-average slot guy who's played well most of this year in place of Claiborne on the outside. But he was physically overmatched last night. In his place at nickel is 4th round rookie Webb. He is a small school guy who may develop over time but is not ready yet. A guy signed during the week played the 4th CB spot last night.
At Safety, Barry Church is their best guy and he played last night. Opposite him is a UDFA rookie, Heath. Backing them up was small school 3rd rounder Wilcox who's working his way back from injury. Wilcox looks like he'll be good in time. But he's not there yet.
Kiffin's schemes are predicated upon getting pressure with the front 4. Only Hatcher can reasonably do that now. McCown had all night to throw. Was he even hurried, much less sacked? You can line up Deion and Revis in their primes and they would not have success if the QB has all day. And once the LBs went down (Lee and to a lesser extent Carter), it was simple to run against the D. Can't stop the pass. Can't stop the run.
39 players have suited up on defense this year. Only 2 DL from post-draft timeframe are still there and only 1 is reasonably healthy. Kind of hard for any coordinator to have success with that. Much less one who doesn't seem inclined to varying things up. I think Kiffin takes the fall in the offseason, just like Rob Ryan did this past offseason.
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dickey moe
Fingerpicker
This team isn't going to get better until Jerry gives up GM duties, period.
DreamTheater
Footballguy
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