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*** 2013 Official Pittsburgh Steelers Off & ON Season Thread *** (2 Viewers)

Godsbrother said:
32 Counter Pass said:
Godsbrother said:
Leeroy Jenkins said:
B-Deep said:
Who do we think picked Haley?

was it tomlin, or was this an organizational pick since his dad was a steelers guy?
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Good question. If it was Tomlin who forced Arians out and decided on Haley, then the true blame lies at his feet. I hated the Haley hiring, but was ready to move on from Arians. It is crazy to expect the same or worse pieces to perform better than last year though. Pouncey getting hurt has its impact, but honestly, we give him too much credit from what is remembered in his rookie season. Since then he's been hurt or not as good.
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I am pretty sure this directive came from Art Rooney II and came from the desire to go back to a power running game. You see how well that has worked out...
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this was my understanding as well based on what Kirwin said on Sirius. BTW Cowher and him are tight, so Kirwin may have got this info from BC.
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Tomlin told his entire coaching staff, including Arians, that they would be back in 2012. A few days later the Steelers front office announced that Bruce Arians was "retiring". This is when Art Rooney II said he wanted to get back into the power running game.

A couple weeks later Arians came out of his "retirement" to become OC for the Indy Colts and a little later the Steelers hired Haley and the rest, as they say, is history.
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So Tomlin is being a bit hamstrung by ownership. Man, this is depressing. I feel like a Redskins fan.

I didn't notice the line swapping, but neither did Ben, so I don't feel bad about it:


Musical tackles
That was a strange merry-go-round at offensive tackle Sunday night with Kelvin Beachum replacing Mike Adams at left tackle and Marcus Gilbert moving to right tackle and then Adams going back to left and Beachum going to right and then Adams and Gilbert teaming back up.

Tomlin said he was looking for the right combination because his tackles are not playing well.

"They hadn't played well enough to justify otherwise," Tomlin said. "We're going to look at viable guys. We're going to turn the stones over in an effort to find a winning formula, and we're not going to be bashful about that. Kelvin Beachum has earned an opportunity to play in the rotation."

Roethlisberger said he was initially unaware of the changes.

"I didn't even notice it at first. I looked up during one of the series and saw Kelvin Beachum in, and then realized that they were rotating, so it didn't really affect me."

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/on-the-steelers-daunting-task-falls-on-tomlin-veterans-704608/#ixzz2fpAqnTje
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Thoughts on prospects for the Steelers' D going forward?

My main league is a redraft with deep rosters and limited FA pickups. For this reason I always carry two defenses and have the Steelers backing up NE at the moment.

I knew the Steeler D was not likely to b a FF juggernaut but thought they would be a very good NFL defense, as they almost always are, and could be a matchup play in FF. Through 3 weeks, the D does not seem to be getting to the QB, creating turnovers, or doing anything from a FF perspective.

Looking at the numbers it looks like the unit is still solid but is not getting any help from the offense and again, does not seem to be making any big plays. Is this something Steeler homers expect to continue or do you see it as likely that the D can step it up a notch?

 
VaTerp said:
Thoughts on prospects for the Steelers' D going forward?

My main league is a redraft with deep rosters and limited FA pickups. For this reason I always carry two defenses and have the Steelers backing up NE at the moment.

I knew the Steeler D was not likely to b a FF juggernaut but thought they would be a very good NFL defense, as they almost always are, and could be a matchup play in FF. Through 3 weeks, the D does not seem to be getting to the QB, creating turnovers, or doing anything from a FF perspective.

Looking at the numbers it looks like the unit is still solid but is not getting any help from the offense and again, does not seem to be making any big plays. Is this something Steeler homers expect to continue or do you see it as likely that the D can step it up a notch?
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The Steelers defense is still a decent (not great) NFL defense but not a very good FF defense anymore.

They had decent pressure against Cutler last week and was very close to having several more sacks so I can see the sack PPG totals going up but sadly they just don't force turnovers anymore. This was an issue last year and is continuing in 2013.

They obviously can't go down from zero but I just don't see them suddenly become a turnover making machine any time soon. Couple that with an offense that is constantly turning the ball over and giving opponents great field position I think I would bail on the Steelers defense this year.

 
Godsbrother said:
VaTerp said:
Thoughts on prospects for the Steelers' D going forward?

My main league is a redraft with deep rosters and limited FA pickups. For this reason I always carry two defenses and have the Steelers backing up NE at the moment.

I knew the Steeler D was not likely to b a FF juggernaut but thought they would be a very good NFL defense, as they almost always are, and could be a matchup play in FF. Through 3 weeks, the D does not seem to be getting to the QB, creating turnovers, or doing anything from a FF perspective.

Looking at the numbers it looks like the unit is still solid but is not getting any help from the offense and again, does not seem to be making any big plays. Is this something Steeler homers expect to continue or do you see it as likely that the D can step it up a notch?
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The Steelers defense is still a decent (not great) NFL defense but not a very good FF defense anymore.

They had decent pressure against Cutler last week and was very close to having several more sacks so I can see the sack PPG totals going up but sadly they just don't force turnovers anymore. This was an issue last year and is continuing in 2013.

They obviously can't go down from zero but I just don't see them suddenly become a turnover making machine any time soon. Couple that with an offense that is constantly turning the ball over and giving opponents great field position I think I would bail on the Steelers defense this year.
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Thanks, that's what I was leaning toward.

Seriously considering dropping them for the Colts D and the matchup this week with Jax. But I really hate to waste a FA pickup on a defense and part of me wants to see what Pitt D can do against a one dimensional Vikings team.

With the supposed reemergence of Woodley, the addition of Jarvis Jones, and others I figured they would find a way to be at least a decent FF D. Does Troy make plays anymore? Timmons? I now they havent been able to create turnovers for the last 2-3 years but for some reason thought LeBeau and the vets would find a way to turn it around. Apparently not.

 
VaTerp said:
Godsbrother said:
VaTerp said:
Thoughts on prospects for the Steelers' D going forward?

My main league is a redraft with deep rosters and limited FA pickups. For this reason I always carry two defenses and have the Steelers backing up NE at the moment.

I knew the Steeler D was not likely to b a FF juggernaut but thought they would be a very good NFL defense, as they almost always are, and could be a matchup play in FF. Through 3 weeks, the D does not seem to be getting to the QB, creating turnovers, or doing anything from a FF perspective.

Looking at the numbers it looks like the unit is still solid but is not getting any help from the offense and again, does not seem to be making any big plays. Is this something Steeler homers expect to continue or do you see it as likely that the D can step it up a notch?
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The Steelers defense is still a decent (not great) NFL defense but not a very good FF defense anymore.

They had decent pressure against Cutler last week and was very close to having several more sacks so I can see the sack PPG totals going up but sadly they just don't force turnovers anymore. This was an issue last year and is continuing in 2013.

They obviously can't go down from zero but I just don't see them suddenly become a turnover making machine any time soon. Couple that with an offense that is constantly turning the ball over and giving opponents great field position I think I would bail on the Steelers defense this year.
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Thanks, that's what I was leaning toward.

Seriously considering dropping them for the Colts D and the matchup this week with Jax. But I really hate to waste a FA pickup on a defense and part of me wants to see what Pitt D can do against a one dimensional Vikings team.

With the supposed reemergence of Woodley, the addition of Jarvis Jones, and others I figured they would find a way to be at least a decent FF D. Does Troy make plays anymore? Timmons? I now they havent been able to create turnovers for the last 2-3 years but for some reason thought LeBeau and the vets would find a way to turn it around. Apparently not.
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Troy has been making plays but it hasn't translated into turnovers yet but is a matter time. Woodley has been getting pressure and really came close a couple of times last week but he was being held like crazy sort of the way Harrison was being held up.

Timmons has been mainly covering for inexperience at the other MLB position due to the absence of Foote. Jones is the one to watch -- he seems to be a playmaker and will help as he gets more snaps as the season goes on. I am sure they have a nice game or two in them but nothing you could count on.

 
I thought the offense looked much better this week, but this is going to be a long year. Im thinking the Steelers end up with the 9th pick.

 
And yeah, Im not going to look it up, but if CHI D isnt #1 in turnovers over the last few years, they have to be top 5. Home or away, this Steelers team has no chance against a decent team when we turn it over 5 times in a game, even moreso against a D like that.

 
Will be in Pgh the weekend of Nov 16-17 and my gf, who is a Steelers' fan, wants to go to the game vs. the Lions.

Do you think that prices on Stubhub will go down if the season continues poorly or should we just buy now?

Also, if anyone has a comment on seating locations, I'm looking at lower level end zone corner for about $150 apiece vs. Upper level somewhere between the 40's for around $104-$115.

Gracias.

 
Long Ball Larry said:
Will be in Pgh the weekend of Nov 16-17 and my gf, who is a Steelers' fan, wants to go to the game vs. the Lions.

Do you think that prices on Stubhub will go down if the season continues poorly or should we just buy now?

Also, if anyone has a comment on seating locations, I'm looking at lower level end zone corner for about $150 apiece vs. Upper level somewhere between the 40's for around $104-$115.

Gracias.
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My guess is that tickets will easily be had for this game for less than what stubhub is showing now.

I have season tickets in Sect. 108 (about 25 yard line) and Sect. 103 (3rd row, open endzone). My brother has seats high in the upper deck, I can't remember the section but I think it might be Row AA. Unless you can seats low in the Upper Level I would opt for the lower level at the higher price. Easier in, easier out, better food & beer selection.

ETA: Have you checked the Steelers Ticket Exchange too?

 
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3C said:
Max Starks just totally whiffed on a block. Sure, let's sign Max... :no:
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:goodposting: I turned off the game at halftime but I did see good old Max swing and miss on that play. He looks really big and slow.

I know it is trendy to criticize the Steelers coaching staff for everything these days but I think they were right on the money with Starks. He has nothing left...

 
Godsbrother said:
Long Ball Larry said:
Thanks a lot.

I assume you mean on NFL.com? http://www.ticketexchangebyticketmaster.com/NFL/InventoryBrowse/Pittsburgh-Steelers-Tickets-at-Heinz-Field-in-Pittsburgh-11-17-2013?PID=1404429

Good call. There are some at better prices and most with instant download.
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Yes the Steeler tickets exchange is run by NFL.com. It is a way for season ticket holders to sell directly to buyers.
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i would definitely wait until game day. tickets will be readily available especially if the team is in the range of 3-7 at the time.

 
Well Leveon Bell looked really good out there and Marcus Wheaton had a few good moments. But other than that this game sucked. Cortez Allen could have stayed in Pittsburgh and he would have been more productive. Enough with the 3 -5 yard cushion on passing plays because you can't cover.

 
If there are changes it will probably be Haley. This will now probably be Lebeau's last season but that's just me speculating.

 
irish eyes said:
I know what people will say, but tomlin has to go & now! The most undisciplined team ever. And he seems so disinterested.
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The Steelers have had only 3 head coaches since 1969. In 2000, after 2 consecutive losing seasons, the Steelers got off to an 0-3 start. They reacted by signing Bill Cowher to a contract extension. The moral of the story: Mike Tomlin is not going anywhere.

 
I thought Ben had a real good game today. It also looks like we might have something in Bell. All of the receivers, and Heath Miller, we're solid.

Special teams was abysmal and I don't see where Zoltan was an upgrade over Butler. The secondary played like crap, Cortez Allen in particular. It is one thing to give a big cushion but if you're going to do at least come up and make the tackle.

As it stands right now I think the Steelers #1 priority in 2014 is to get some play makers on defense.

 
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name="Franknbeans" post="16004868" timestamp="1380496985"]this team has forgotten how to win
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Problem is a lot of them never knew how to win. The team is in transition and we are going to have to live with it. Hopefully it won't be too long :-(

 
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Godsbrother said:
As it stands right now I think the Steelers #1 priority in 2014 is to get some play makers on defense.
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I think they may have that with Jarvis Jones and Shamarko, but only time will tell. Its amazing how the Steelers D went from one of the most turnover producing D's to getting none whatsoever the last few years, with many of those TO guys still in the lineup. Its sort of amazing that Troy, Clark, Woodley haven't been able to create more TO's

Hard to win games when Ben is turning it over this much.

 
So Im guessing the Steelers will have the same bad luck as the Buccos and be bad, but not quite terrible enough to get Bryce Harper or Strasburg, ie Clowney or Bridgewater in this draft.

So who should I be looking forward to in April, because this season is toast.

 
Kenny Powers said:
Godsbrother said:
As it stands right now I think the Steelers #1 priority in 2014 is to get some play makers on defense.
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I think they may have that with Jarvis Jones and Shamarko, but only time will tell. Its amazing how the Steelers D went from one of the most turnover producing D's to getting none whatsoever the last few years, with many of those TO guys still in the lineup. Its sort of amazing that Troy, Clark, Woodley haven't been able to create more TO's

Hard to win games when Ben is turning it over this much.
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With the kind of pressure Ben was under I thought he played a good game yesterday. The pick was off a busted play-- Ben threw inside while Sanders broke to the outside -- not really either of their fault. The fumble on the final play was on the horsecollar sack.

Obviously this o-line is awful, among the worst in the league, but even with the Steelers put up 27 points. The biggest problem yesterday was the defense, and in particular Cortez Allen. He was getting burnt like toast despite giving huge cushions and couldn't make a tackle to save his life. It was one of the worst performances I have seen out of a Steelers CB. I don't know if was a case of rust but he was easily the worst player on the field yesterday.

 
The offense was NOT the problem yesterday. Well, the plays and playmakers that is. The line was the usual sucky self. Ben is trying to over compensate and is turning the ball over because of it. The problem yesterday, and what will be the problem for the rest of the year, is the defense. They can't get a turnover, they can't tackle, they can't play disciplined defense, they can't do much of anything.

As far as the offensive line, the guys there are young. They get somewhat of a pass, but they better start to bring it soon.

At the end of the season, we won't be discussing how sucky the offense is. The line will be a bit improved by then. What we WILL be discussing, is the need for Lebeau to finally retire, and to draft all defensive players, and the possible last year for the two current starting safeties.

 
this "team" and I use that term loosely can't afford to be taking 3rd string QB's in the 4th round anymore. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 
Copeman said:
The offense was NOT the problem yesterday. Well, the plays and playmakers that is. The line was the usual sucky self. Ben is trying to over compensate and is turning the ball over because of it. The problem yesterday, and what will be the problem for the rest of the year, is the defense. They can't get a turnover, they can't tackle, they can't play disciplined defense, they can't do much of anything.

As far as the offensive line, the guys there are young. They get somewhat of a pass, but they better start to bring it soon.

At the end of the season, we won't be discussing how sucky the offense is. The line will be a bit improved by then. What we WILL be discussing, is the need for Lebeau to finally retire, and to draft all defensive players, and the possible last year for the two current starting safeties.
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Ryan Clark is an UFA and should be thinking of retirement. Troy has shown a few flashes but there are too many times when he is just a non-factor. He will be a $10 million dollar cap hit next year and the Steelers can save over $8 million by cutting him. Ike Taylor is also entering his final year and cutting him would save an additional $7 million.

Worilds and Ziggy are both UFA and can't see either getting huge money so you might be able to bring one or both back, assuming you even want to. Keisel may also be done.

So you may be in a situation next season where 7 of your starting 11 on defense are no longer with the team.

 
Godsbrother said:
Copeman said:
The offense was NOT the problem yesterday. Well, the plays and playmakers that is. The line was the usual sucky self. Ben is trying to over compensate and is turning the ball over because of it. The problem yesterday, and what will be the problem for the rest of the year, is the defense. They can't get a turnover, they can't tackle, they can't play disciplined defense, they can't do much of anything.

As far as the offensive line, the guys there are young. They get somewhat of a pass, but they better start to bring it soon.

At the end of the season, we won't be discussing how sucky the offense is. The line will be a bit improved by then. What we WILL be discussing, is the need for Lebeau to finally retire, and to draft all defensive players, and the possible last year for the two current starting safeties.
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Ryan Clark is an UFA and should be thinking of retirement. Troy has shown a few flashes but there are too many times when he is just a non-factor. He will be a $10 million dollar cap hit next year and the Steelers can save over $8 million by cutting him. Ike Taylor is also entering his final year and cutting him would save an additional $7 million.

Worilds and Ziggy are both UFA and can't see either getting huge money so you might be able to bring one or both back, assuming you even want to. Keisel may also be done.

So you may be in a situation next season where 7 of your starting 11 on defense are no longer with the team.
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and yet, that would likely be an improvement

 
Franknbeans said:
Godsbrother said:
Copeman said:
The offense was NOT the problem yesterday. Well, the plays and playmakers that is. The line was the usual sucky self. Ben is trying to over compensate and is turning the ball over because of it. The problem yesterday, and what will be the problem for the rest of the year, is the defense. They can't get a turnover, they can't tackle, they can't play disciplined defense, they can't do much of anything.

As far as the offensive line, the guys there are young. They get somewhat of a pass, but they better start to bring it soon.

At the end of the season, we won't be discussing how sucky the offense is. The line will be a bit improved by then. What we WILL be discussing, is the need for Lebeau to finally retire, and to draft all defensive players, and the possible last year for the two current starting safeties.
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Ryan Clark is an UFA and should be thinking of retirement. Troy has shown a few flashes but there are too many times when he is just a non-factor. He will be a $10 million dollar cap hit next year and the Steelers can save over $8 million by cutting him. Ike Taylor is also entering his final year and cutting him would save an additional $7 million.

Worilds and Ziggy are both UFA and can't see either getting huge money so you might be able to bring one or both back, assuming you even want to. Keisel may also be done.

So you may be in a situation next season where 7 of your starting 11 on defense are no longer with the team.
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and yet, that would likely be an improvement
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It would if you had some depth behind them. Aside from Jarvis Jones who else is there? You can't expect to draft six starters next year.

 
don't get too low of draft pick, I know Ben is still good and all, but the lure of a cheap rookie potential franchise QB can make any team consider cutting bait on their vet

you'd hate for the GM to fall in love with one of these QBs and send Ben packing.

 
Gotta like what you saw in Lev Bell's first game... He looks like the real deal and at least the Steelers RB troubles should be answered for the next couple of seasons.

 
Godsbrother said:
Copeman said:
The offense was NOT the problem yesterday. Well, the plays and playmakers that is. The line was the usual sucky self. Ben is trying to over compensate and is turning the ball over because of it. The problem yesterday, and what will be the problem for the rest of the year, is the defense. They can't get a turnover, they can't tackle, they can't play disciplined defense, they can't do much of anything.

As far as the offensive line, the guys there are young. They get somewhat of a pass, but they better start to bring it soon.

At the end of the season, we won't be discussing how sucky the offense is. The line will be a bit improved by then. What we WILL be discussing, is the need for Lebeau to finally retire, and to draft all defensive players, and the possible last year for the two current starting safeties.
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Ryan Clark is an UFA and should be thinking of retirement. Troy has shown a few flashes but there are too many times when he is just a non-factor. He will be a $10 million dollar cap hit next year and the Steelers can save over $8 million by cutting him. Ike Taylor is also entering his final year and cutting him would save an additional $7 million.

Worilds and Ziggy are both UFA and can't see either getting huge money so you might be able to bring one or both back, assuming you even want to. Keisel may also be done.

So you may be in a situation next season where 7 of your starting 11 on defense are no longer with the team.
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Ike is the best player on our defense at this point, it would be stupid to cut him I think, especially considering likely changes at 3-4 other spots on D. I think Clark is still solid and would be pretty cheap at this point to bring back. Ziggy is probably worth what he will cost as well. The only reason I'd want Worilds back is because we have nothing at OLB besides Woodley and Jarvis.

 
Kenny Powers said:
Godsbrother said:
Copeman said:
The offense was NOT the problem yesterday. Well, the plays and playmakers that is. The line was the usual sucky self. Ben is trying to over compensate and is turning the ball over because of it. The problem yesterday, and what will be the problem for the rest of the year, is the defense. They can't get a turnover, they can't tackle, they can't play disciplined defense, they can't do much of anything.

As far as the offensive line, the guys there are young. They get somewhat of a pass, but they better start to bring it soon.

At the end of the season, we won't be discussing how sucky the offense is. The line will be a bit improved by then. What we WILL be discussing, is the need for Lebeau to finally retire, and to draft all defensive players, and the possible last year for the two current starting safeties.
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Ryan Clark is an UFA and should be thinking of retirement. Troy has shown a few flashes but there are too many times when he is just a non-factor. He will be a $10 million dollar cap hit next year and the Steelers can save over $8 million by cutting him. Ike Taylor is also entering his final year and cutting him would save an additional $7 million.

Worilds and Ziggy are both UFA and can't see either getting huge money so you might be able to bring one or both back, assuming you even want to. Keisel may also be done.

So you may be in a situation next season where 7 of your starting 11 on defense are no longer with the team.
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Ike is the best player on our defense at this point, it would be stupid to cut him I think, especially considering likely changes at 3-4 other spots on D. I think Clark is still solid and would be pretty cheap at this point to bring back. Ziggy is probably worth what he will cost as well. The only reason I'd want Worilds back is because we have nothing at OLB besides Woodley and Jarvis.
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The last I heard the Steelers are going to need to cut $20 million to get under the 2014 cap, if Ike doesn't agree to a reduced salary he'll likely be moving on ala James Harrison. Clark really hasn't played all that well to this point and has talked about possibly retiring at the end of the season. Ziggy would be okay if he came cheap I suppose and Worilds is going to have to sign for backup money because that will be his role.

By the way, there are rumors that Foster is going to need season ending surgery so the good news keeps coming... :(

 
Long Ball Larry said:
Will be in Pgh the weekend of Nov 16-17 and my gf, who is a Steelers' fan, wants to go to the game vs. the Lions.

Do you think that prices on Stubhub will go down if the season continues poorly or should we just buy now?

Also, if anyone has a comment on seating locations, I'm looking at lower level end zone corner for about $150 apiece vs. Upper level somewhere between the 40's for around $104-$115.

Gracias.
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Just go there and get them gameday/day before

Cheaper and better selection I bet. I've done it three times and had great results even getting an odd number (3) and in good weather when we played the Ravens

Downtown by the theater/Marriot Renassance - ask the doorman at the Ren.

 
To look on the bright side, I thought the Steelers had next to no shot at beating Denver or the Patsies in the playoffs this year before the season started, and now that looks even more obvious. Throw in greatly improved teams like Indy, Miami, KC and even if the Steelers went 9-7 there's a decent chance they miss the playoffs. I believe the AFC is 17-4 vs the NFC so far, the conference has really improved it would appear.

It's going to be a rough season to endure, but this team wasn't winning the Super Bowl this year so they might as well be awful and get their highest draft pick in generations.

 
i remember when Tomlin came on board, there were fears in Pittsburgh that he would transition us to a 4-3 defense. now, with no true nose tackle and some thinness at the linebacker position, and the prospect of major team overhauls, i wonder if this is lebeau's last year and if we'll go with a 4-3 next year. i have to believe that Ziggy Hood and Cam Heyward could be more effective in that scheme. so how does Clowney fit into that scenario? i know his name but that's about it.

 
pecorino said:
i remember when Tomlin came on board, there were fears in Pittsburgh that he would transition us to a 4-3 defense. now, with no true nose tackle and some thinness at the linebacker position, and the prospect of major team overhauls, i wonder if this is lebeau's last year and if we'll go with a 4-3 next year. i have to believe that Ziggy Hood and Cam Heyward could be more effective in that scheme. so how does Clowney fit into that scenario? i know his name but that's about it.
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I thought about a switch to the 4-3 as well due to the things you mentioned. Tomlin was obviously smart to stick with the 3-4 when he took over the team, but now it wouldn't necessarily be crazy to consider switching based on personnel or whatever.

 
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