2013 Rookie 1.04 (1 Viewer)

[Faust]

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2013 Rookie 1.01

2013 Rookie 1.02

2013 Rookie 1.03

Standard Scoring

1.01 RB Eddie Lacy, Packers (42%)

1.02 RB Giovani Bernard, Bengals (36%)

1.03 RB Le'Veon Bell, Steelers (36%)

PPR Scoring

1.01 WR Tavon Austin, Rams (45%)

1.02 RB Giovani Bernard, Bengals (48%)

1.03 WR Cordarrelle Patterson, Vikings (38%)

Start 2 QB Scoring

1.01 RB Eddie Lacy, Packers (19%)

1.02 QB E.J. Manuel, Bills (28%)

1.03 RB Giovani Bernard, Bengals (23%)

 

[GeeYouknit]

2QB league is so deceiving because most teams in a league 10/12/14/16 teams whatever, will have at least 2 servicable QB's. I am just a little shocked that EJ is already gone, and Geno is currently the leader.

I would rather take a loss on a bye week by playing 1 QB and getting a quality guy in the top4 who has a higher likelihood of producing. Or go for value and trade for a QB if you are that needy.

 

[cstu]

2QB league is so deceiving because most teams in a league 10/12/14/16 teams whatever, will have at least 2 servicable QB's. I am just a little shocked that EJ is already gone, and Geno is currently the leader.

I would rather take a loss on a bye week by playing 1 QB and getting a quality guy in the top4 who has a higher likelihood of producing. Or go for value and trade for a QB if you are that needy.

I think Manuel has a chance to be more than serviceable and a lot of QB's are getting old. Even if he gives you 300 FP that's still a lot more than you can probably expect out of Austin or Patterson.

 

[Faust]

2QB league is so deceiving because most teams in a league 10/12/14/16 teams whatever, will have at least 2 servicable QB's. I am just a little shocked that EJ is already gone, and Geno is currently the leader.

I would rather take a loss on a bye week by playing 1 QB and getting a quality guy in the top4 who has a higher likelihood of producing. Or go for value and trade for a QB if you are that needy.

Just to be 100% clear that the third poll is for "Start 2 QB" Leagues where every week you have 2 QBs started. In a 10 Team League that would be 20 starting QBs every week, in 12 team Leagues that would be 24, and in 14 team Leagues that would be 28 QBs.

In these Leagues any QBs that are starters are quickly snatched up and the strategy is to grab either viable handcuffs or QBs that you think could become starters very quickly, as bye weeks and injuries will impact your ability to field a competitive roster very quickly. A prime example last year in one of my Leagues was the guy who had both Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick on his roster. He was in good shape when the 49ers made the QB switch, and now has the starting QBs for the 49ers and the Chiefs. The teams in this League with Mark Sanchez and Josh Freeman are trying to trade up to secure the draft picks that would see them secure Geno Smith and Mike Glennon, otherwise they could be in a bind as well this year or next year.

 

[Shutout]

I've never played in a 2 QB starter league and at first when looking at it, I didn't quite get the value of these QBs but after seeing some explanations, it makes sense.

I guess Luck and RG III must have went for mints last year to trade into those spots?

It begs the question to me though: Why would you play in a league that forces such extreme value to a position? In a large league, its almost a certainty that teams will become unbalanced I would think because you're either going to have one injury derail you for a year or two or you are going to have some guy with 3-4 QBs basically naming his price for any player he may choose to part with. Why not just adjust the scoring output for QBs or something?

 

[GeeYouknit]

2QB league is so deceiving because most teams in a league 10/12/14/16 teams whatever, will have at least 2 servicable QB's. I am just a little shocked that EJ is already gone, and Geno is currently the leader.

I would rather take a loss on a bye week by playing 1 QB and getting a quality guy in the top4 who has a higher likelihood of producing. Or go for value and trade for a QB if you are that needy.

Just to be 100% clear that the third poll is for "Start 2 QB" Leagues where every week you have 2 QBs started. In a 10 Team League that would be 20 starting QBs every week, in 12 team Leagues that would be 24, and in 14 team Leagues that would be 28 QBs.

In these Leagues any QBs that are starters are quickly snatched up and the strategy is to grab either viable handcuffs or QBs that you think could become starters very quickly, as bye weeks and injuries will impact your ability to field a competitive roster very quickly. A prime example last year in one of my Leagues was the guy who had both Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick on his roster. He was in good shape when the 49ers made the QB switch, and now has the starting QBs for the 49ers and the Chiefs. The teams in this League with Mark Sanchez and Josh Freeman are trying to trade up to secure the draft picks that would see them secure Geno Smith and Mike Glennon, otherwise they could be in a bind as well this year or next year.

Yeah I know that they get owned pretty quickly, its just dependent on if you have 3 QB's on your roster already then why take Geno/EJ in the top half of the first round, you probably wouldn't. Just like any other draft you draft on need and value, and if you dont need a QB, then you're definitely not getting the value if you take them in the top of the draft.

I did the same with Russel Wilson last season, as I was a believer in him, so I took him in the 4th of our rookie draft and now have 3 top10 QB's.

 

[Faust]

I've never played in a 2 QB starter league and at first when looking at it, I didn't quite get the value of these QBs but after seeing some explanations, it makes sense.

I guess Luck and RG III must have went for mints last year to trade into those spots?

It begs the question to me though: Why would you play in a league that forces such extreme value to a position? In a large league, its almost a certainty that teams will become unbalanced I would think because you're either going to have one injury derail you for a year or two or you are going to have some guy with 3-4 QBs basically naming his price for any player he may choose to part with. Why not just adjust the scoring output for QBs or something?

In standard scoring the emphasis (traditionally) was to grab as many RBs as you could and WRs were the next most valuable position. QBs and TEs used to be almost an afterthought, especially if you didn't get one of the elite ones. I think back to some of my drafts in the 90s when the first 25-30 picks were made and at least 75% of those picks were typically RB selections. Over time, the concept of PPR scoring made WRs, TEs, and pass catching RBs more valuable, and drafts became less predictable and more interesting. The NFL has shifted towards less emphasis on the RB position and passing stats have exploded, and now in most fantasy football drafts there is more balance between all of the positions, with the exception of QB. In most leagues, if you don't grab an elite QB in the top 5, the conventional wisdom then suggests for you to wait on selecting your QBs, and if you don't have great QBs, you can typically find a few on the waiver wire late into the season (unless you are in a deeper league) or you can trade for one (using your depth at other positions). QBs (outside of the elite ones) in most of these league formats don't carry the same positional value that RB, WR, and in some cases that even TE has (for example in TE heavy scoring formats).

The idea behind Start 2 QB Leagues is shifting positional value back towards the QB position, which is similar to where it is in the real NFL. These Leagues offer a different challenge for strategy and for developing your team, and are an interesting change from some of the more common other formats that are out there for scoring. I wouldn't describe them as "forcing extreme value" to the QB position, but they are very challenging as you will need to be solid at all positions and can't afford to neglect having solid QBs to be strong at other areas. I hope this helps to explain why they are a fun option for some to participate in, and I will admit that they are not for everyone, but if you know your League rules and scoring format well, you can develop an edge that helps you going against your competition.

 

[Faust]

It is a very close race in the Start 2 QB poll.

 

[kutta]

Is the start 2 QB scoring also PPR?

 

[Faust]

Is the start 2 QB scoring also PPR?

It is standard scoring with the requirement of 2 starting QBs and the voting usually reflects this.

 

[Faust]

It is currently a tie in the Start 2 QB poll, so hopefully the votes today will establish a winner, and we can move on to the Rookie 1.05 polls.

 

[Faust]

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