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*2014-15 Hot Stove Thread: The Padres won it I guess (1 Viewer)

Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com reports that Hector Olivera's physical with the Dodgers revealed a slight tear in his UCL.
It won't require immediate fixing and isn't expected to hinder his performance. The Dodgers did use the information to include a clause in Olivera's six-year, $62.5 million contract that adds a seventh season onto the deal at $1 million if the infielder does eventually require Tommy John surgery.
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Is this a good thing? "Sounds like he may need TJ surgery, lets lock him up for his age 37 season too!"
 
E-Z Glider said:
Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com reports that Hector Olivera's physical with the Dodgers revealed a slight tear in his UCL.
It won't require immediate fixing and isn't expected to hinder his performance. The Dodgers did use the information to include a clause in Olivera's six-year, $62.5 million contract that adds a seventh season onto the deal at $1 million if the infielder does eventually require Tommy John surgery.
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Is this a good thing? "Sounds like he may need TJ surgery, lets lock him up for his age 37 season too!"
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I get the logic of it, but it does sound silly when you put it that way.

 
E-Z Glider said:
Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com reports that Hector Olivera's physical with the Dodgers revealed a slight tear in his UCL.
It won't require immediate fixing and isn't expected to hinder his performance. The Dodgers did use the information to include a clause in Olivera's six-year, $62.5 million contract that adds a seventh season onto the deal at $1 million if the infielder does eventually require Tommy John surgery.
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Is this a good thing? "Sounds like he may need TJ surgery, lets lock him up for his age 37 season too!"
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Lol

 
RnR said:
Ryan Howard is awful jokes aside, he's probably worth $5 mil per year for two seasons as someone's LH side of a DH platoon.
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Howard for $10m for 2 seasons seems about right considering Morales signed for $17m for 2 seasons after the craptastic season he had. I suspect he'll get moved at the deadline if he can show any signs of life in the 1st half. Regardless of how he plays, they'll continue running him out there every day. Its not like he's blocking anyone.

 
E-Z Glider said:
RnR said:
Ryan Howard is awful jokes aside, he's probably worth $5 mil per year for two seasons as someone's LH side of a DH platoon.
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Howard for $10m for 2 seasons seems about right considering Morales signed for $17m for 2 seasons after the craptastic season he had. I suspect he'll get moved at the deadline if he can show any signs of life in the 1st half. Regardless of how he plays, they'll continue running him out there every day. Its not like he's blocking anyone.
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just the sun
 
E-Z Glider said:
RnR said:
Ryan Howard is awful jokes aside, he's probably worth $5 mil per year for two seasons as someone's LH side of a DH platoon.
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Howard for $10m for 2 seasons seems about right considering Morales signed for $17m for 2 seasons after the craptastic season he had. I suspect he'll get moved at the deadline if he can show any signs of life in the 1st half. Regardless of how he plays, they'll continue running him out there every day. Its not like he's blocking anyone.
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I don't know if and when he will be ready, but I doubt that Maikel Franco is going to play third base.

 
I take that back. I'd waste a last round pick on him just so I'd have ground to stand on when I start #####ing about the ####### rules of the league

 
RnR said:
Eephus said:
Northern Voice said:
HellToupee said:
Norris is good. Very good. The Jays has some really nice young arms
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Hopefully this group pans out. 4-5 years ago, we were so excited about the future rotation of Morrow, Cecil, Romero and Drabek.
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In related news, it looks like Shaun Marcum isn't going to make the Indians staff.
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I, too, thought that NV leaving Shaun out of that last post was a slap in the face to Marcum.
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I remember owning Dustin McGowan in Serious Biz before his shoulder gave out. He was inconsistent and didn't have great command but he still showed decent potential for a relatively old prospect. TINSTAAPP won again.

 
E-Z Glider said:
Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com reports that Hector Olivera's physical with the Dodgers revealed a slight tear in his UCL.
It won't require immediate fixing and isn't expected to hinder his performance. The Dodgers did use the information to include a clause in Olivera's six-year, $62.5 million contract that adds a seventh season onto the deal at $1 million if the infielder does eventually require Tommy John surgery.
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Is this a good thing? "Sounds like he may need TJ surgery, lets lock him up for his age 37 season too!"
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Bottomless pit of money.

 
Marcum was never perceived as having quite the high upside (though likely finishes with the best career of the group) and McGowan was already deep in injuries at that point, but Cecil/Drabek/Morrow/Romero were all high picks who were thought to have huge potential... similar to the Stroman/Hutch/Sanchez/Norris group.

Not sure how common knowledge this is outside Toronto, I'm guessing pretty well known, but Jays scouts all wanted Troy Tulowitzki at 6th overall in 2005. Then GM JP Ricciardi thought he already had a SS of the future in Russ Adams, so he overrode his scouts to take Romero :cry: :cry: :cry:

 
Northern Voice said:
Marcum was never perceived as having quite the high upside (though likely finishes with the best career of the group) and McGowan was already deep in injuries at that point, but Cecil/Drabek/Morrow/Romero were all high picks who were thought to have huge potential... similar to the Stroman/Hutch/Sanchez/Norris group.

Not sure how common knowledge this is outside Toronto, I'm guessing pretty well known, but Jays scouts all wanted Troy Tulowitzki at 6th overall in 2005. Then GM JP Ricciardi thought he already had a SS of the future in Russ Adams, so he overrode his scouts to take Romero :cry: :cry: :cry:
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But what did they think of Gattis?
 
Where is Jose Altuve going in everyone's draft? I know he is due for some serious regression, but in most of the drafts I have seen it appears people think he is going to suddenly turn into Bill Doran. Dozier is the only certainty I would take ahead of him, but I am seeing Kipnis, Dee Gordon, even Phillips going before him.

Even if Altuve's BA drops fifty points (which is an extreme prediction), that's still in the .290 range. He's going to give 40 SB's, and score a decent number of runs. I don't expect .341 from him, but he seems to be dropping further than he should.

 
Encyclopedia Brown said:
Where is Jose Altuve going in everyone's draft? I know he is due for some serious regression, but in most of the drafts I have seen it appears people think he is going to suddenly turn into Bill Doran. Dozier is the only certainty I would take ahead of him, but I am seeing Kipnis, Dee Gordon, even Phillips going before him.

Even if Altuve's BA drops fifty points (which is an extreme prediction), that's still in the .290 range. He's going to give 40 SB's, and score a decent number of runs. I don't expect .341 from him, but he seems to be dropping further than he should.
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Don't sell him short.

 
Encyclopedia Brown said:
Where is Jose Altuve going in everyone's draft? I know he is due for some serious regression, but in most of the drafts I have seen it appears people think he is going to suddenly turn into Bill Doran. Dozier is the only certainty I would take ahead of him, but I am seeing Kipnis, Dee Gordon, even Phillips going before him.
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Bill Doran was a very good 2B. His career WAR of 32.6 puts him in the top 500 all-time.

He spent his prime years in the Astrodome which makes his offensive numbers look worse but he could always get on base (more career walks than strikeouts) and steal a bag once he was aboard.

 
Eephus said:
Bill Doran was a very good 2B. His career WAR of 32.6 puts him in the top 500 all-time.

He spent his prime years in the Astrodome which makes his offensive numbers look worse but he could always get on base (more career walks than strikeouts) and steal a bag once he was aboard.
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Tommy Helms?*

*(I had to look him up at Baseball-reference.com because Biggio and Doran were the only two Houston 2B I could name off the top of my head).

 
Encyclopedia Brown said:
Eephus said:
Bill Doran was a very good 2B. His career WAR of 32.6 puts him in the top 500 all-time.

He spent his prime years in the Astrodome which makes his offensive numbers look worse but he could always get on base (more career walks than strikeouts) and steal a bag once he was aboard.
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Tommy Helms?*

*(I had to look him up at Baseball-reference.com because Biggio and Doran were the only two Houston 2B I could name off the top of my head).
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It's funny how some franchises have a long run of success at a particular position. The Astros had Joe Morgan (twice), Biggio, Doran, Altuve, Helms, Phil Garner and Jeff Kent holding down the position. Even Kaz Matsui had some decent years. In their 50 year history, I don't there's been a 3 year stretch where Houston got below average production out of their second basemen.

 
Eephus said:
It's funny how some franchises have a long run of success at a particular position. The Astros had Joe Morgan (twice), Biggio, Doran, Altuve, Helms, Phil Garner and Jeff Kent holding down the position. Even Kaz Matsui had some decent years. In their 50 year history, I don't there's been a 3 year stretch where Houston got below average production out of their second basemen.
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I noticed that when I was looking up names. In the mid-70's they had a dude named Rob Andrews, and then Art Howe for a bit. And even they weren't atrocious.

 
Would you have played your contract out like Max did?

You got 6/144 in hand. Do you roll the dice for a year to get 7/190 basically?

What are the odds you go down with injury 10-20% pitching another year before FA.

If I was Price I'd push for a similar 6/144 but with a 4-year opt out. Sure the opt-out is not great for Detroit but if Price is opting out you likely got a great 4 years. For Price he can hit FA again at 33 or not opt out.

 
Daywalker said:
Would you have played your contract out like Max did?

You got 6/144 in hand. Do you roll the dice for a year to get 7/190 basically?

What are the odds you go down with injury 10-20% pitching another year before FA.

If I was Price I'd push for a similar 6/144 but with a 4-year opt out. Sure the opt-out is not great for Detroit but if Price is opting out you likely got a great 4 years. For Price he can hit FA again at 33 or not opt out.
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Price has already made what, $40+ million in his career? Even if he injures himself, he'll get atleast that much winding down his career.

As for the odds of injury, I think its about 30% of starting pitchers hit the DL each season. Might be higher. Of course not all injuries would be serious enough to significantly effect Price's FA contract.

 
Encyclopedia Brown said:
Where is Jose Altuve going in everyone's draft? I know he is due for some serious regression, but in most of the drafts I have seen it appears people think he is going to suddenly turn into Bill Doran. Dozier is the only certainty I would take ahead of him, but I am seeing Kipnis, Dee Gordon, even Phillips going before him.

Even if Altuve's BA drops fifty points (which is an extreme prediction), that's still in the .290 range. He's going to give 40 SB's, and score a decent number of runs. I don't expect .341 from him, but he seems to be dropping further than he should.
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He's been going between Cano and Kipnis/Dozier but closer to Cano in all of mine.

You sure you're looking at 2015 drafts? Phillips before him is...umm...interesting...

 
No way that's a real thing. His average ADP is 13.9 in 255 NFBC drafts this year, with a range of 3rd to 28th.

For reference, Brandon Phillips' ADP is 269.4, with a range of 177th to 357th. He's the No. 17 2nd baseman.

 
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I have no interest in Altuve this year and I value position scarcity more than most. Cant imagine he'd ever fall far enough for me to roster him.

 
RnR said:
No way that's a real thing. His average ADP is 13.9 in 255 NFBC drafts this year, with a range of 3rd to 28th.

For reference, Brandon Phillips' ADP is 269.4, with a range of 177th to 357th. He's the No. 17 2nd baseman.
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Maybe somebody is a bigger Reds homer than Shuke and Cheese. :shrug:

 
E-Z Glider said:
I have no interest in Altuve this year and I value position scarcity more than most. Cant imagine he'd ever fall far enough for me to roster him.
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Yeah I have him in one as a keeper, but in a redraft he would fall to the top of the 3rd before I'd get him. I just wouldn't be comfortable having him as my 2nd best player since he only helps in 3 categories and you're paying for a career year.

 
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