Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Yeah, I don't get this at all. Hope they see something that I don't.
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
*2014-15 Hot Stove Thread: The Padres won it I guess (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Eephus
- Start date
There's been some speculation that the signing was about lineup diversity. But $10m/yr seems like a lot to spend just because the rest of the lineup hits fly balls.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
PROS:
Hits lefties
Pretty good LD rate
CONS:
Defense
doesn't hit righties
Clogs up DH
Fairly expensive relative to payroll
Power?
Hits lefties
Pretty good LD rate
CONS:
Defense
doesn't hit righties
Clogs up DH
Fairly expensive relative to payroll
Power?
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
To be fair, Butler has only led in the league in Double Plays Grounded Into twice.
How nice are the Cracker Barrels in Oakland?
Eephus
Footballguy
I respect the A's front office, maybe too much, so I always give them the benefit of the doubt on moves that look strange on the surface. The team has to live with payroll restrictions and probably is in a position where they need to be competitive now.
I wonder if the Butler contract is some kind of rejection of the valuation of defense and baserunning. The Beanes might be looking past what Butler can't do and focusing on what he can. They could also view the three year term as some kind of contractual sweet spot between overpaying for a shorter deal and getting stuck with risk and declining performance on the far end of a long deal.
Or maybe it's that they have a $30M gift card that they needed to spend before Black Friday
I wonder if the Butler contract is some kind of rejection of the valuation of defense and baserunning. The Beanes might be looking past what Butler can't do and focusing on what he can. They could also view the three year term as some kind of contractual sweet spot between overpaying for a shorter deal and getting stuck with risk and declining performance on the far end of a long deal.
Or maybe it's that they have a $30M gift card that they needed to spend before Black Friday
The Flying Elvis
Footballguy
I will not be a fan of any Red Sox signing of Sandoval. Especially at 20M per year.
Eephus
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
When can teams negotiate with the 2 Cuban FA's?
Eephus
Footballguy
Moncada still has to be cleared by the US Office of Foreign Assets.
I think Tomas can be signed now.
Fangraphs Writer [SIZE=1.1em]says:[/SIZE]
November 19, 2014 at 1:24 pm
3 years 30 million for Butler? Awful deal. Wait Billy Beane signed him? Here is why this is actually a good deal.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
One does arch an eyebrow when Beane (or, say, somebody like Friedman) does this as opposed to someone like Sabean or Amaro. That doesn't mean it's necessarily good, but it's probably worth trying to delve into to see what Beane's trying to do.
What Sarris' article (whom I really like) ignores is that for a payroll-constrained team like Oakland, you need more bang from your FA dollar to be competitive. Just having a guy be "worth 30 million" by league-wide standards probably isn't going to be good enough.
What Sarris' article (whom I really like) ignores is that for a payroll-constrained team like Oakland, you need more bang from your FA dollar to be competitive. Just having a guy be "worth 30 million" by league-wide standards probably isn't going to be good enough.
Eephus
Footballguy
Hilts
Footballguy
Which is pretty dumb. How many WS wins do these geniuses have? How about a "lousy" GM like RAJ? Maybe it's time these 'moneyball' types get their noses out of the stat sheets and watch real baseball. Butler can have all these fancy stats behind him, but he's never lead his team to the postseason. They made it this year in spite of Butler. Dude is a fat slob who lacks the grit and intensity needed to carry his teams to victory.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
How did Venditte never get a shot with the Yankees? He's 29, but he's been a pretty solid contributor to the Yanks' minor league system throughout the years.
Eephus
Footballguy
I think baseball guys have a natural prejudice against oddballs like Venditte. Sidearmers and knuckleballers have faced similar challenges in getting promoted. There seems to be a tendency for people to say "I know he succeeded at N level but wait until the hitters in (N+1) get a shot at him".
Venditte is an extreme soft tosser. Barry Zito might beat him in a game of dodgeball. I don't think you have to throw 100mph to succeed in baseball but it sure helps.
Wrigley
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
He's been in steady decline for four straight years?
I mean obviously someone's going to see past that and pay him because playoffs, but yikes.
I mean obviously someone's going to see past that and pay him because playoffs, but yikes.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Ruben Amaro has zero WS wins as a GM and the team has gotten worse every single year since he became GM.Hilts said:
This post is schtick, right?
MAC_32
Footballguy
likewise with Martin and the obvious outlier, last year.
MAC_32
Footballguy
has there been a good contract yet? Those who haven't signed anyone so far are ahead of the others.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Maybe we're just grossly underestimating the market here. With more focus on promoting younger cost-controlled talent, especially in bullpens, and very early extensions, teams have more money to spend in the free agent market. The $5 million per win model is long gone.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
And Pablo Sandoval will be the next piss poor domino. At least he is probably going to the AL so when his fat ### keels over at third he can play DH.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Was listening to the MLB Network and they seem to think that the 6-144 for the Tigers offered last year Max Sherzer might not be matched in this off season unless the Yankees are involved. Seems a little odd that Lester had had a number of teams interested yet Max has only been mentioned by the Yankees. I know it is still early but am wondering if Boros thinking Max is a 200 million player is scaring off some teams.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
whoknew
Footballguy
I'd be shocked if its not matched. Boras knows what he's doing. In January, someone will sign Scherzer to an 7 year/$175mm contract.
shadyridr
Footballguy
im just saying, draft pick aside, id much rather have cuddyer at 2/20 than butler or martin at their contracts.
shadyridr
Footballguy
nah its just early. Hell get more than that
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
I get that, but I'd rather not have any of them.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
I don't think Martin's going to turn out to be all that terrible. That last year may be a little rough, but I don't think there are many 5+ year contracts where that isn't the case.
On balance, I think the Cuddyer signing was worse than Butler. The Mets have to play Cuddyer in the field, and again, first round pick.
On balance, I think the Cuddyer signing was worse than Butler. The Mets have to play Cuddyer in the field, and again, first round pick.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Nats have apparently made Zimmerman and Fister (both have one year left) available.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
At some point we all have to realize the money in baseball is ridiculous, and none of it's ours.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Of course it is. But every team has a limit of how much they're going to spend, and thus one doesn't want their team to spend poorly.
MAC_32
Footballguy
it is, but that doesn't mean those funds should be spent badly.
RnR
Footballguy
IMO, the only thing unsettling about the Cuddyer contract is the loss of the draft pick. I don't have any qualms with the length or the annual value. In fact, one could argue the Mets did well in that regard considering he had 15 mil for one year in Colorado already on the table thanks to a qualifying offer.
Eephus
Footballguy
None of the deals so far this off-season will cripple a team's finances (except for maybe the Stanton deal if it runs to its full duration). Cuddyer and Butler could easily earn their keep and the lengths are pretty short. Even if Martin or Panda tank in the final years of their deals, the teams can take the writedown. The biggest risk falls on small payroll teams who invest in long-term deals because they can't absorb it when things go south.
