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*2014-15 Hot Stove Thread: The Padres won it I guess (1 Viewer)

Two Samardzija related rationalizations

1. His value now is 33% lower because he's under team control for 1.0 years instead of 1.5

2. His 2015 salary is projected to be almost double what he made in 2014

 
Eephus said:
Two Samardzija related rationalizations

1. His value now is 33% lower because he's under team control for 1.0 years instead of 1.5

2. His 2015 salary is projected to be almost double what he made in 2014
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Time and place too.

Hammel then >> Ynoa now

 
Limp Ditka said:
Eephus said:
Two Samardzija related rationalizations

1. His value now is 33% lower because he's under team control for 1.0 years instead of 1.5

2. His 2015 salary is projected to be almost double what he made in 2014
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Time and place too.

Hammel then >> Ynoa now
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I don't think Ynoa is a lost cause yet but he's barely worth a slot on the 40-man right now. His results as a reliever this year weren't much better than as a starter. The strikeouts were up but he still gives up too many baserunners. Maybe Don Cooper can do something for him.

If Don Cooper can get something out of Ynoa

 
Not sure if it is sarcasm but he is saying it's true... Eno Sarris says that Bobby Evans, assistant GM Giants, told him minutes ago they were out on Lester. "We did not receive a rose." is the quote.

 
Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times reports that the Dodgers are out of the bidding for Jon Lester.
Lester had already eliminated the Giants and now he's officially crossed the Dodgers off his list. As many figured all along, the left-hander will wind up signing with either the Red Sox or Cubs. A decision could be revealed at some point Tuesday night.
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Cubs fans gotta be ecstatic right now. They may not win this year cuz their bats are still a little young but theyre not far off.

 
So the Cubs gave Lester a $30M signing bonus spread out... is that included in the $155 number? http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/10/holy-moly-jon-lester-is-getting-a-30-million-signing-bonus-from-the-cubs/

They seem to be interpreting it as no which effectively makes the contract 6/185? That seems a bit crazy if true. Also has a 7th year vesting option for innings pitched. This contract looks huge.

Others like Dave Cameron are saying its included in the $155 which would make more sense. It's a way to work numbers around the luxury tax.

 
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Annyong said:
Hilts said:
shadyridr said:
Gregerson to Stros for 3yrs, 18.5m. good move
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Neshek as well.
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WSox and Stros re-tooling their bullpens.
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I like the way Houston is approaching it. RPs are variable due to their small sample size. The Astros got two guys for less than the cost of Robertson and with shorter contract commitments. I could see overspending for a closer if a team was contending and closer was a gap but I think depth is a better solution for clubs like the Sox and Astros who have more holes to plug.

 
Eephus said:
Annyong said:
Hilts said:
shadyridr said:
Gregerson to Stros for 3yrs, 18.5m. good move
Click to expand...
Neshek as well.
Click to expand...
WSox and Stros re-tooling their bullpens.
Click to expand...
I like the way Houston is approaching it. RPs are variable due to their small sample size. The Astros got two guys for less than the cost of Robertson and with shorter contract commitments. I could see overspending for a closer if a team was contending and closer was a gap but I think depth is a better solution for clubs like the Sox and Astros who have more holes to plug.
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They went after Miller & Robertson first so lets not starting sucking each others ##### just yet about them making a smart move since it was their plan C

 
The Flying Elvis said:
So the Cubs gave Lester a $30M signing bonus spread out... is that included in the $155 number? http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/10/holy-moly-jon-lester-is-getting-a-30-million-signing-bonus-from-the-cubs/

They seem to be interpreting it as no which effectively makes the contract 6/185? That seems a bit crazy if true. Also has a 7th year vesting option for innings pitched. This contract looks huge.

Others like Dave Cameron are saying its included in the $155 which would make more sense. It's a way to work numbers around the luxury tax.
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The seventh year option is $25M vested if he pitches 200 innings in year six. The buyout is $10M.

 
shadyridr said:
Eephus said:
Annyong said:
Hilts said:
shadyridr said:
Gregerson to Stros for 3yrs, 18.5m. good move
Click to expand...
Neshek as well.
Click to expand...
WSox and Stros re-tooling their bullpens.
Click to expand...
I like the way Houston is approaching it. RPs are variable due to their small sample size. The Astros got two guys for less than the cost of Robertson and with shorter contract commitments. I could see overspending for a closer if a team was contending and closer was a gap but I think depth is a better solution for clubs like the Sox and Astros who have more holes to plug.
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They went after Miller & Robertson first so lets not starting sucking each others ##### just yet about them making a smart move since it was their plan C
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Lots of gay innuendo from you. Just an observation.

 
RnR said:
shadyridr said:
Eephus said:
Annyong said:
Hilts said:
shadyridr said:
Gregerson to Stros for 3yrs, 18.5m. good move
Click to expand...
Neshek as well.
Click to expand...
WSox and Stros re-tooling their bullpens.
Click to expand...
I like the way Houston is approaching it. RPs are variable due to their small sample size. The Astros got two guys for less than the cost of Robertson and with shorter contract commitments. I could see overspending for a closer if a team was contending and closer was a gap but I think depth is a better solution for clubs like the Sox and Astros who have more holes to plug.
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They went after Miller & Robertson first so lets not starting sucking each others ##### just yet about them making a smart move since it was their plan C
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Lots of gay innuendo from you. Just an observation.
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Tarantino
 
The Mets are confident they will find a deal to move starter Dillon Gee this week, Jack Curry of the YES Network reports on Twitter. There has been a lot of chatter on Gee with multiple teams, he notes, reflecting other recent reports.

We have already heard several teams mentioned in relation to Gee, among them the Twins. But Joel Sherman of the New York Post (via Twitter) says a deal between those teams looks unlikely, with New York not terribly interested in shortstop Eduardo Escobar. The Royals, Padres,Rockies, Rangers, and Giants have also been noted as having interest.

CMON, take Escobar, he's great!
 
The Rule 5 draft goes down tomorrow and we’ll keep track of the latest rumblings here..

  • The industry expectation is that the Mets will lose right-hander Logan Verrett in tomorrow’s Rule 5 draft, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post (via Twitter). Clubs see Verrett working as a back end starter or a seventh-inning reliever.
  • There’s talk that the Diamondbacks might select Astros catcher Roberto Pena with the top pick, according to Jim Callis of MLB.com (via Twitter).
  • Meanwhile, Callis (Twitter link) says it’s very possible that someone will take a chance on Delino DeShields Jr. and pluck him from the Astros. Yesterday, Houston GM Jeff Luhnow told reporters, including Evan Drellich of the Houston Chronicle, that he did not anticipate a team taking the former No. 8 overall pick.
No room for DelinoJR on the 40 man?
 
Rule 5 is always a roster :nerd: holiday. Last year only three players made it through the full season with the team that picked them. Adrian Nieto was a cromulent backup catcher for the White Sox, Tommy Kahnle was pretty decent out of the Rockies' bullpen and Wei Chung Wang, who was terrible in mop-up for the Brewers. Most clubs seem to do a better job nowadays both in making their 40 man decisions and researching the player pool.

DeShields Jr. hit the wall last year offensively. He barely had a .700 OPS in the Texas League and his SB% is way down from the year he stole 100. I think the big problem is defense. Houston moved him to the OF exclusively last year. He's a lot less attractive as a Rule 5 pick as a no-hit fifth OF than as a utility IF. There have also been reports about poor attitude FWIW.

 
Eephus said:
Rule 5 is always a roster :nerd: holiday. Last year only three players made it through the full season with the team that picked them. Adrian Nieto was a cromulent backup catcher for the White Sox, Tommy Kahnle was pretty decent out of the Rockies' bullpen and Wei Chung Wang, who was terrible in mop-up for the Brewers. Most clubs seem to do a better job nowadays both in making their 40 man decisions and researching the player pool.

DeShields Jr. hit the wall last year offensively. He barely had a .700 OPS in the Texas League and his SB% is way down from the year he stole 100. I think the big problem is defense. Houston moved him to the OF exclusively last year. He's a lot less attractive as a Rule 5 pick as a no-hit fifth OF than as a utility IF. There have also been reports about poor attitude FWIW.
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He's still just 22 as of August and had his first run at AA last year...hit .236 though. Showed some pop, had 61 walks, struck out too much (112), made too little contact. Stole 54 bases (CS 14).

Agree that as an OFer, its probably not overwhelming, but he's a year removed from playing a full season at 2B (24 errors).

So maybe can't produce much with a mlb club and that's what Houston is banking on.

 
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