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Not such a good deal now. Markakis has a bulging disc in his neck that will require surgery. Braves got some damaged goods.
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*2014-15 Hot Stove Thread: The Padres won it I guess (2 Viewers)
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shadyridr
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I was thinking the same thing. I can't seem to get the stench of six years of being dog #### awful out of my nose when it comes to Andrew Miller.
Wrigley
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Chemical X
Footballguy
markakis does so little and is in decline.....I really hate him as a player. little power, no speed, obp skills waning.
MAC_32
Footballguy
they probably think they're two years out, smaller moves now, bigger moves this time next year
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Footballguy
For a team with a payroll like NYY's, I don't think it's that bad. Miller's pretty clearly meant for the pen and has been a different pitcher since his conversion, and his peripherals last year was absurdly good. A "setup" guy who can wipe out both lefties and righties is a valuable weapon.
Doctor Detroit
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I like the Miller deal, Yankees have stacks of cash to burn so securing a high end reliever for four years seems like a good investment. However, I think expecting Miller to regress vs righties is probably expected. I think with his frame, motion, and delivery he's going to be ridiculous against lefties. But allowing a .446opOPS vs righties (and he was almost as good the year before) seems almost impossible to repeat year after year. His career oppOPS vs righties was north of .875 after 2012 and now it's .787.
Not sure how many teams would have gone four years but for the Yankees it's only a bad move if Miller is a complete bust after say the first year. I think at worst he's an above average option over the course of that contract.
Not sure how many teams would have gone four years but for the Yankees it's only a bad move if Miller is a complete bust after say the first year. I think at worst he's an above average option over the course of that contract.
Gopher State
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wow, I thought the tigers would be all over Miller, but I guess when you have Nathan no need to overspend at the closer spot
MAC_32
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fred_1_15301
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The Red Sox did a lot of work with him though, including just going to a four-seam/slider repertoire, the latter obviously being his best pitch and deadly against both hands.
His swinging strike rate and k/bb ratios are absurd. Against everyone. One upside to being hurt so much is that he doesn't have as much mileage on his arm as most 29 yo's.
And it's less than they gave Soriano!
Grahamburn
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Captain Hook
Footballguy
Did you watch the crappy pitchers they ran out of their bullpen last year to try and save games?
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
They had games to save? It is how you build teams though, bullpen out... wait, what?
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Seriously though if you're going to spend the most money on a reliever ever, are they really that far from spending an extra $15/yr for a top of the line starter?
RnR
Footballguy
No, they aren't. But the top shelf starter has to want to sign there. As was stated earlier in the thread, the Astros probably feel like they are 2 years out from competing with the young core they have. This off-season will likely have some "piece" signings that don't make sense for a team that is likely to finish in the bottom half of the AL West in 2015. But next off-season it wouldn't be surprising to see them as major players for a top tier FA or two, setting up for a gel period in 2016 in prep for a run at 2017. It is a process.
Baloney Sandwich
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I don't see Chicago being in the running for Lester, least likely of all teams to land him in my opinion. Boston will be comfortable matching whatever the Cubs put out there. If he doesn't end up in Boston then I think it is LAD or NYY.
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pantagrapher
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I was feeling fine about 6/140. Go ahead and overpay. Reel in the big fish. Sure, we'll complain about the signing a couple years from now, but that's how the system works these days. But now there's talk of a 7-year deal for 150+. If that's what's on the table, let another team live with that contract.
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pantagrapher
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Jason Hammels back to the Cubs for only 2/18. End of that rotation looks solid but unspectacular with Wood, Hammel, Hendrick. Pushes Wada into the bullpen though, where I think he'll shine, along with Justin Turner and maybe CJ Edwards. Nab an ace and we're cookin with gas.
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Joey!
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The Flying Elvis
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Rosenthal says it is between the Cubs and Giants now for Lester. Have to think his deal is going to be something close to 6/150 or even above. If it is really down to the Cubs and Giants and $150 is the number, I would be surprised if the Red Sox really offered the rumored 6/130+.
Eephus
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Working off a valuation system that nobody else has. I dont know if thats good or bad.shadyridr said:
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NICE JOB ROSENTHAL.
RnR
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To be fair, the Levinsons have every reason in the world to make people believe that as many teams as possible are still in on the bidding.
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Hilts
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But really, it seems Beane thinks Moss is finished as a player. Not sure if he's right, but every team/GM knew he was being shopped, and Wendle was the best offer they got. Makes me think quite a few other GM's also felt he was finished.
I've done zero research on Wendle so am mostly talking out of my backside and from the very limited reports I've read thus far, but I think Mark Ellis is the best you could hope for here.
I've done zero research on Wendle so am mostly talking out of my backside and from the very limited reports I've read thus far, but I think Mark Ellis is the best you could hope for here.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
More like buying years of cost certainty/control where players they are trading have only a year or two left
And I think with Moss there was the concern coming off the surgery of not knowing when he would be ready next year
Eephus
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Hammel was a really good signing, btw. That 2-3 year / 10mm aav seems like a good sweet spot, value-wise.
Eephus
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shadyridr
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yeah I typically give Beane the benefit of the doubt but this offseason has been baffling.
shadyridr
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but yet signed a 30m dh and traded two guys with reasonable contracts
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Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
jeff samarzija is on the verge of being traded. the white sox are the likely landing spot
jeff samarzija is on the verge of being traded. the white sox are the likely landing spot
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Heyman too busy wif the scoop to bother with spelling.
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A's potentially dropping a lot of payroll today. : unsure:
