*2014-15 Hot Stove Thread: The Padres won it I guess (1 Viewer)

[Good Posting Judge]

"Your face is why doggy-style was invented."

-Ms. GPJ

 

[Northern Voice]

Braves sign Markakis for 4/44: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--nick-markakis-agrees-to-four-year-deal-with-braves-011916120.html

Add Michael Saunders to the Jays outfield. I'll be a sucker for this move come draft day.

Saunders at $3M (with a couple years of control) for Happ seems like a pretty great deal considering he may very well be a better player than Markakis.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

J.A. Happened to have pretty good peripherals last year.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Lol injury prone

 

[Annyong]

Cal Ripken was also injury prone

 

[Eephus]

Can we agree Michael Saunders is injury prone?

 

[Annyong]

Can we agree Michael Saunders is injury prone?

I can agree that Darwin Barney will win the Dodgers a WS

 

[Bob Sacamano]

"That's so strange. Your sister said the same thing about reverse cowgirl."

 

[MAC_32]

That Markakis deal is abysmal.

why? 11mil for a good obp guy who plays defense, has a good arm seems reasonable to me. Similar to the brett gardner extension. And he plays EVERY day lol

He's not a good defender.

About the only thing he does well is get on base.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Can we agree Michael Saunders is injury prone?

Turf's going to be great for him.

 

[Kraft...]

It seems perfectly natural for the Padres to sign Clint Barmes

 

[shadyridr]

4/65 for headley? Wtmf?

 

[Hilts]

4/65 for headley? Wtmf?

That's the rumor. Curious to see who offered it.

Dodgers are allegedly the mystery team on Lester.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

4/65 for headley? Wtmf?

Pretty sensible, imo. Steamer has him projected for 3.9 WAR next year.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

And his offense picked up once he got out of that graveyard last year. I think he's going to end up being one of the more reasonable multi-year hitter deals this year.

 

[shadyridr]

4/65 for headley? Wtmf?

Pretty sensible, imo. Steamer has him projected for 3.9 WAR next year.

wait the yankees basically traded nothing for him and he was pretty blah offensively. I know his defense is good but that good?

 

[Eephus]

And his offense picked up once he got out of that graveyard last year. I think he's going to end up being one of the more reasonable multi-year hitter deals this year.

I like Headley but 4/65 would reduce the probability of him significantly outperforming his contract

 

[Hilts]

4/65 for headley? Wtmf?

Pretty sensible, imo. Steamer has him projected for 3.9 WAR next year.

wait the yankees basically traded nothing for him and he was pretty blah offensively. I know his defense is good but that good?

He hit 262, had an obp of 371, and had an OPS of 768 with your team.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

And his offense picked up once he got out of that graveyard last year. I think he's going to end up being one of the more reasonable multi-year hitter deals this year.

I like Headley but 4/65 would reduce the probability of him significantly outperforming his contract

You can say that about any contract. The more money you offer, the less of a chance said player "significantly outperforms" his contract.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

4/65 for headley? Wtmf?

Pretty sensible, imo. Steamer has him projected for 3.9 WAR next year.

wait the yankees basically traded nothing for him and he was pretty blah offensively. I know his defense is good but that good?

Steamer thinks so.

 

[Northern Voice]

Can we agree Michael Saunders is injury prone?

Turf's going to be great for him.

Why were the 89-93 Jays who played on carpet on top of concrete not injury prone? Or the Rays? How come Jose Reyes' hammys have been fine for two years (his ankle injury happened on the dirt cut out).

The turf blows but is overblown as a difference maker. Lawrie (and likely Saunders) will find ways to get hurt on any surface.

 

[Eephus]

4/65 for headley? Wtmf?

Pretty sensible, imo. Steamer has him projected for 3.9 WAR next year.

wait the yankees basically traded nothing for him and he was pretty blah offensively. I know his defense is good but that good?

Steamer thinks so.

I don't know what to make of advanced fielding metrics, especially for guys like Headley who derive the majority of their value from their glove. I have to assume that if a team is considering a $60M commitment to a player, they have better proprietary data than what us are working with in UZR and the like. Some moves this offseason (e.g. Butler, Cuddyer, Markakis) could be viewed as a rejection of dWAR by the teams.

Advanced fielding generally passes a simple sniff test in that players who seem like they should be good have good numbers. But just how good is good and how this equates with producing runs are questions that outsiders can't answer with the tools currently available.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I think there are probably GM's that aren't sophisticated enough to even consider any advanced fielding stat, and some that probably have something that's better than what is publicly available. I think there's unanimous agreement than Cuddyer isn't a good fielder.

 

[MAC_32]

Now now, Tribe. Don't go do something smart and trade for a middle of the order bat.

Billy, put the phone down.

 

[RnR]

I think there are probably GM's that aren't sophisticated enough to even consider any advanced fielding stat, and some that probably have something that's better than what is publicly available. I think there's unanimous agreement than Cuddyer isn't a good fielder.

Well, well. The delicate genius believes that there are general managers incapable of considering advanced fielding metrics in their player valuation. I'm not sure if it is the arrogance or naivety of that statement that stands out most. Either way, I'm not the least bit surprised by it.

 

[Hilts]

I think there are probably GM's that aren't sophisticated enough to even consider any advanced fielding stat, and some that probably have something that's better than what is publicly available. I think there's unanimous agreement than Cuddyer isn't a good fielder.

Well, well. The delicate genius believes that there are general managers incapable of considering advanced fielding metrics in their player valuation. I'm not sure if it is the arrogance or naivety of that statement that is stands out most. Either way, I'm not the least bit surprised by it.

Familiar with the Phillies?

 

[RnR]

I think there are probably GM's that aren't sophisticated enough to even consider any advanced fielding stat, and some that probably have something that's better than what is publicly available. I think there's unanimous agreement than Cuddyer isn't a good fielder.

Well, well. The delicate genius believes that there are general managers incapable of considering advanced fielding metrics in their player valuation. I'm not sure if it is the arrogance or naivety of that statement that is stands out most. Either way, I'm not the least bit surprised by it.

Familiar with the Phillies?

I am. And for all the boneheaded moves that Ruben Amaro Jr. makes, there is some guy running numbers on fielding metrics in his front office as we speak.

 

[dparker713]

I think there are probably GM's that aren't sophisticated enough to even consider any advanced fielding stat, and some that probably have something that's better than what is publicly available. I think there's unanimous agreement than Cuddyer isn't a good fielder.

Well, well. The delicate genius believes that there are general managers incapable of considering advanced fielding metrics in their player valuation. I'm not sure if it is the arrogance or naivety of that statement that is stands out most. Either way, I'm not the least bit surprised by it.

Familiar with the Phillies?

I am. And for all the boneheaded moves that Ruben Amaro Jr. makes, there is some guy running numbers on fielding metrics in his front office as we speak.

Either that guy stopped learning math in 6th grade, or RAJ ignores everything he puts across his desk

 

[the moops]

####### shady. Headley's OBP with the Yankees was better than any other 3B but one. His OPS+ was 112.

 

[shadyridr]

####### shady. Headley's OBP with the Yankees was better than any other 3B but one. His OPS+ was 112.

hey i like the guy. I wanted the yankees to resign him. I just didnt think hed getting anything close to that. That being said hes close in WAR to pablo so i guess ots the market value.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I think there are probably GM's that aren't sophisticated enough to even consider any advanced fielding stat, and some that probably have something that's better than what is publicly available. I think there's unanimous agreement than Cuddyer isn't a good fielder.

Well, well. The delicate genius believes that there are general managers incapable of considering advanced fielding metrics in their player valuation. I'm not sure if it is the arrogance or naivety of that statement that stands out most. Either way, I'm not the least bit surprised by it.

For the good of the thread, I'm going to ignore your dip####tery after this post.

One, I said there are some that aren't sophisticated enough, not that they were incapable. Those are two different things.

Two, a front office having an analytics guy doesn't mean that an organization is going to turn into the Tampa Bay Rays in terms of their sophistication. The A's have old-fashioned scouts. The Phillies have, apparently, one analytics guy. Given Amaro's avowed distates for sabrmetrics, I think it's reasonable to assume that he isn't looking at UZR or DRS or range factor.

Three, Torii Hunter, 1 year, 10 million dollars.

Now kindly go #### your mother.

 

[RnR]

Classy, as always.

FWIW, I don't disagree with 95% of what you're saying. If you can't figure out why I'm busting your balls at every chance on the other 5%, perhaps you're the one that isn't very bright.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I think there are probably GM's that aren't sophisticated enough to even consider any advanced fielding stat, and some that probably have something that's better than what is publicly available. I think there's unanimous agreement than Cuddyer isn't a good fielder.

Well, well. The delicate genius believes that there are general managers incapable of considering advanced fielding metrics in their player valuation. I'm not sure if it is the arrogance or naivety of that statement that is stands out most. Either way, I'm not the least bit surprised by it.

Familiar with the Phillies?

I am. And for all the boneheaded moves that Ruben Amaro Jr. makes, there is some guy running numbers on fielding metrics in his front office as we speak.

That guy was added earlier this year. So RAJ has made pretty much no moves based on analytics, as far as everyone knows.

 

[Michael Brown]

I think there are probably GM's that aren't sophisticated enough to even consider any advanced fielding stat, and some that probably have something that's better than what is publicly available. I think there's unanimous agreement than Cuddyer isn't a good fielder.

Well, well. The delicate genius believes that there are general managers incapable of considering advanced fielding metrics in their player valuation. I'm not sure if it is the arrogance or naivety of that statement that stands out most. Either way, I'm not the least bit surprised by it.

For the good of the thread, I'm going to ignore your dip####tery after this post.

One, I said there are some that aren't sophisticated enough, not that they were incapable. Those are two different things.

Two, a front office having an analytics guy doesn't mean that an organization is going to turn into the Tampa Bay Rays in terms of their sophistication. The A's have old-fashioned scouts. The Phillies have, apparently, one analytics guy. Given Amaro's avowed distates for sabrmetrics, I think it's reasonable to assume that he isn't looking at UZR or DRS or range factor.

Three, Torii Hunter, 1 year, 10 million dollars.

Now kindly go #### your mother.

Hey guys, knock it off. No reason for this nonsense

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

 

[Good Posting Judge]

This kid loves Brett Lawrie.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

Dave Martinez is coming to Chicago to sit next to Joe Maddon.

 

[pantagrapher]

FWIW, Bill James has the Cubs lineup hitting around 200 home runs next season.

 

[Grahamburn]

Dave Martinez is coming to Chicago to sit next to Joe Maddon.

Rays' braintrust with the big city bank roll. Exciting times in Wrigleyville.

 

[Grahamburn]

FWIW, Bill James has the Cubs lineup hitting around 200 home runs next season.

How many strikeouts is he predicting?

 

[pantagrapher]

I'm feeling a Lester-to-Cubs vibe in the air today.

 

[pantagrapher]

FWIW, Bill James has the Cubs lineup hitting around 200 home runs next season.

How many strikeouts is he predicting?

Supercomputer is still processing the input vectors.

 

[RnR]

Dave Martinez is coming to Chicago to sit next to Joe Maddon.

Rays' braintrust with the big city bank roll. Exciting times in Wrigleyville Dodgertown.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Greene's a nice pickup for DET. Not sure why Arizona wouldn't just take him instead of Ray.

BIG SHOES TO FILL, DIDI.

 

[Premier]

Dave Martinez is coming to Chicago to sit next to Joe Maddon.

Rays' braintrust with the big city bank roll. Exciting times in Wrigleyville.

That is not the braintrust.

One part of it is now in LA, a lot of it is still in St. Pete and the least important part (who I admit I loved) is in Chicago.

 

[shadyridr]

I like Didi but I also like Greene

 

[Bojang0301]

Greene's a nice pickup for DET. Not sure why Arizona wouldn't just take him instead of Ray.

BIG SHOES TO FILL, DIDI.

They get Leyba too.

 

[Bojang0301]

I like Didi but I also like Greene

Still a lot of veteran pitchers on the market you can probably get to fill that void vs. filling SS with, at very least, a good fielder let alone one with decent offensive upside.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I like Didi but I also like Greene

Still a lot of veteran pitchers on the market you can probably get to fill that void vs. filling SS with, at very least, a good fielder let alone one with decent offensive upside.

 

[RnR]

Jayson Werth doing hard time.