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[tdoss]

I feel for Cuse fans...I do.

But they're not the only team to leave a conference.

However their fanbase is most vocal about the move. Maybe that's just on this board...maybe that's just Syracuse.

It sucks...it does.

I was watching one of the old McD's games and it was on L'Ville's court. It hit me seeing that Big East logo on their court.

It just sucks...but it is what it is.

It's not our fault...hell, most ACC fans would prefer if y'all were still in your conference so we could have our balanced schedule back.

But this is where we're at now...don't make us all suffer through your taunts because football money dictated this crap.

Take shots at particular teams...sure...build your rivalry but try to leave the conference out of it cause that's just sour grapes and it's falling on deaf ears.

 

[Tango]

You can still root for the big east. In fact why don't you start a big east thread and hangout there?

I pointed out the fact the ACC has had no school in the Final Four in +/-5 years.

That has nothing to do with the Big East. I didnt bring that up at all.

Though i completely understand why you feel the need to deflect...

 

[tdoss]

You can still root for the big east. In fact why don't you start a big east thread and hangout there?

I pointed out the fact the ACC has had no school in the Final Four in +/-5 years.

That has nothing to do with the Big East. I didnt bring that up at all.

Though i completely understand why you feel the need to deflect...

Deflect...dude he's right on and you know it.You can't taunt the conference remark after remark and then throw out a fact to further slight the conference and then act like you weren't continuing the same narrative.

And as was said before...the ACC winning it all should probably buy the conference some credit in that regard.

 

[Tango]

You can still root for the big east. In fact why don't you start a big east thread and hangout there?

I pointed out the fact the ACC has had no school in the Final Four in +/-5 years.

That has nothing to do with the Big East. I didnt bring that up at all.

Though i completely understand why you feel the need to deflect...

Deflect...dude he's right on and you know it.You can't taunt the conference remark after remark and then throw out a fact to further slight the conference and then act like you weren't continuing the same narrative.

And as was said before...the ACC winning it all should probably buy the conference some credit in that regard.

Come on...it is the definition of deflection. I could be a B1G fan posting in here and introducing the fact that the ACC hasnt had a Final Four team in +/- 5 years and that fact would still be a fact. Motivation or anything else has little to do with this particular fact.

The primary reaction apparently is to lash out at the poster of the facts and the secondary reaction is to attempt to address the fact.

Given that the fact is relevant, timely, and telling...you'd think true ACC fans would want to flesh it out more. But Im more and more convinced that there are no ACC fans in here, only cheerleaders.

 

[Tango]

I feel for Cuse fans...I do.

But they're not the only team to leave a conference.

However their fanbase is most vocal about the move. Maybe that's just on this board...maybe that's just Syracuse.

It sucks...it does.

I was watching one of the old McD's games and it was on L'Ville's court. It hit me seeing that Big East logo on their court.

It just sucks...but it is what it is.

It's not our fault...hell, most ACC fans would prefer if y'all were still in your conference so we could have our balanced schedule back.

But this is where we're at now...don't make us all suffer through your taunts because football money dictated this crap.

Take shots at particular teams...sure...build your rivalry but try to leave the conference out of it cause that's just sour grapes and it's falling on deaf ears.

Generally, thoughtful post; thank you.

Any thoughts on McCullough? I guess Im late to the party on being sick of this sort of thing to the point of its degradation of my appreciation of the sport?

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

LMAO, man, one tongue in cheek post gets a novel. I think you're much too serious for this thread, and certainly for my post. I do appreciate the effort though.

Whatever you say.

Kansas super fans are (were) angry at Roy leaving. Maybe that has changed, as you say. But there have been many "we're better off with Self" posts and statements here and other places over the years. Time heals all wounds so that could have changed recently.

I don't think it's proper to conclude "We're better off with Self" implies hatred towards Roy Williams. That's like saying a guy who orders a steak burrito at Chipotle hates carnitas.

A statement like "We're better off with Self" made today could be based solely on the relative ages of Self and Williams. Williams is 64. Self is 52. Williams is starting to reach an age where you might start wondering how much longer he wants to keep coaching. Self still has a lot of coaching years ahead of him. So one could argue "we're better off with Self" without even implying Self is a better coach, just younger. No hate implied or should be inferred.

Yet you seem to have concluded that I said Roy was a bad coach, undeserving of the HOF, and a bad person. I can't understand why you would jump to these conclusions

I didn't jump to any of those conclusions. That's probably why such a jump is difficult to understand. It didn't happen. If you have the high ground here, why do you have to resort to making stuff up?

You are either purposefully trolling or merely mis-remembering if you assert that UNC fans on this board disagree with that weakness.

False dilemma. Lot of other possibilities here. Boatloads.

You keep equating "Roy has one specific weakness" with "Roy is a bad in-game coach". I never made the latter statement and never said anything about UNC fans' opinions about Roy Williams, no matter how many times you try to frame the argument that way.

The specific incident I'm referring to was the postgame of the 2012 regional finals. This was the game where Kendall Marshall was hurt and Stillman White got thrust into starting PG duty. Roy drew up a great gameplan where instead of expecting White to replicate Marshall's role in the offense, he tweaked the passing patterns to let White throw easy passes and have bigs pass to other bigs from high-to-low post, or even low-to-low post. In the first half, it worked great. UNC scored on 7-8 straight possessions atone point, and their O-Rating for the half was several points about their season average.

With about 8-10 minutes left in the game, Self switched to a junk defense, a triangle-and-2 man/zone hybrid that stopped the UNC offense cold. With the UNC offense shut down, KU rallied to win the game and go to the Final Four. From the way the UNC offense approached the stretch run, it wasn't even clear they had recognized KU had switched from the straight man D they play 90% of the time.

The immediate discussion after the game centered on how the outcome would have been different if UNC had Marshall at PG. I mentioned how amazingly efficient UNC's offense was in the first half, brought up that Self switched defenses midway through the second half, and Self knew to wait to make this adjustment until after halftime because dropping new strategies on Roy in the second half was a known weakness. In response, UNC fans called me a sore winner and a Roy Williams hater. Tobias tried to counter the argument with a bunch of first/second half splits to try to show Roy wasn't inherently a worse coach in the second half than the first. That's what I meant by "resistance from UNC fans". I wasn't saying Roy was a bad coach nor did I say anything about how UNC fans felt about him.

Finally, please try to be less serious and personally offended by something you read on an Internet message board. Life is too short to worry about what some mouth-breathing UNC fan thinks about you or your fellow Kansas fans.

Taken under advisement. Thank you for your concern.Still think you're reading way too much into my posts. A lot of hasty conclusions drawn.

 

[tdoss]

I feel for Cuse fans...I do.

But they're not the only team to leave a conference.

However their fanbase is most vocal about the move. Maybe that's just on this board...maybe that's just Syracuse.

It sucks...it does.

I was watching one of the old McD's games and it was on L'Ville's court. It hit me seeing that Big East logo on their court.

It just sucks...but it is what it is.

It's not our fault...hell, most ACC fans would prefer if y'all were still in your conference so we could have our balanced schedule back.

But this is where we're at now...don't make us all suffer through your taunts because football money dictated this crap.

Take shots at particular teams...sure...build your rivalry but try to leave the conference out of it cause that's just sour grapes and it's falling on deaf ears.

Generally, thoughtful post; thank you.

Any thoughts on McCullough? I guess Im late to the party on being sick of this sort of thing to the point of its degradation of my appreciation of the sport?

Chris? He's entering the draft right?

I think it's crazy...we didn't see enough of the dude to really know anything but he appeared to have the body for nba. But why stay? Cuse is going to be either a dumpster fire for next few years and possibly longer or they'll be the comeback story that has all of America loving the redemption story.

Seems easier to just jump to the nba.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

You can still root for the big east. In fact why don't you start a big east thread and hangout there?

I pointed out the fact the ACC has had no school in the Final Four in +/-5 years.

That has nothing to do with the Big East. I didnt bring that up at all.

Though i completely understand why you feel the need to deflect...

I didn't respond to your Final Four stats. I don't give a rats ### about those stats. I'm responding to you being a miserable troll over and over in this thread. Sorry your school left the Big East. If the Big East is so special to you then go discuss the Big East with other people that care about the Big East instead of taking a dump on the ACC every chance you can.

 

[randall146]

You can still root for the big east. In fact why don't you start a big east thread and hangout there?

I pointed out the fact the ACC has had no school in the Final Four in +/-5 years.

That has nothing to do with the Big East. I didnt bring that up at all.

Though i completely understand why you feel the need to deflect...

I didn't respond to your Final Four stats. I don't give a rats ### about those stats. I'm responding to you being a miserable troll over and over in this thread. Sorry your school left the Big East. If the Big East is so special to you then go discuss the Big East with other people that care about the Big East instead of taking a dump on the ACC every chance you can.

Never thought it'd happen, but I totally agree with Wreck.

 

[simey]

Given that the fact is relevant, timely, and telling...you'd think true ACC fans would want to flesh it out more. But Im more and more convinced that there are no ACC fans in here, only cheerleaders.

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WOLFPACK, WOLFPACK

Goooooooooooooooo WOLFPACK!!

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[Ramblin Wreck]

You can still root for the big east. In fact why don't you start a big east thread and hangout there?

I pointed out the fact the ACC has had no school in the Final Four in +/-5 years.

That has nothing to do with the Big East. I didnt bring that up at all.

Though i completely understand why you feel the need to deflect...

I didn't respond to your Final Four stats. I don't give a rats ### about those stats. I'm responding to you being a miserable troll over and over in this thread. Sorry your school left the Big East. If the Big East is so special to you then go discuss the Big East with other people that care about the Big East instead of taking a dump on the ACC every chance you can.

Never thought it'd happen, but I totally agree with Wreck.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

LMAO, man, one tongue in cheek post gets a novel. I think you're much too serious for this thread, and certainly for my post. I do appreciate the effort though.

Whatever you say.

Kansas super fans are (were) angry at Roy leaving. Maybe that has changed, as you say. But there have been many "we're better off with Self" posts and statements here and other places over the years. Time heals all wounds so that could have changed recently.

I don't think it's proper to conclude "We're better off with Self" implies hatred towards Roy Williams. That's like saying a guy who orders a steak burrito at Chipotle hates carnitas.

A statement like "We're better off with Self" made today could be based solely on the relative ages of Self and Williams. Williams is 64. Self is 52. Williams is starting to reach an age where you might start wondering how much longer he wants to keep coaching. Self still has a lot of coaching years ahead of him. So one could argue "we're better off with Self" without even implying Self is a better coach, just younger. No hate implied or should be inferred.

Yet you seem to have concluded that I said Roy was a bad coach, undeserving of the HOF, and a bad person. I can't understand why you would jump to these conclusions

I didn't jump to any of those conclusions. That's probably why such a jump is difficult to understand. It didn't happen. If you have the high ground here, why do you have to resort to making stuff up?

You are either purposefully trolling or merely mis-remembering if you assert that UNC fans on this board disagree with that weakness.

False dilemma. Lot of other possibilities here. Boatloads.

You keep equating "Roy has one specific weakness" with "Roy is a bad in-game coach". I never made the latter statement and never said anything about UNC fans' opinions about Roy Williams, no matter how many times you try to frame the argument that way.

The specific incident I'm referring to was the postgame of the 2012 regional finals. This was the game where Kendall Marshall was hurt and Stillman White got thrust into starting PG duty. Roy drew up a great gameplan where instead of expecting White to replicate Marshall's role in the offense, he tweaked the passing patterns to let White throw easy passes and have bigs pass to other bigs from high-to-low post, or even low-to-low post. In the first half, it worked great. UNC scored on 7-8 straight possessions atone point, and their O-Rating for the half was several points about their season average.

With about 8-10 minutes left in the game, Self switched to a junk defense, a triangle-and-2 man/zone hybrid that stopped the UNC offense cold. With the UNC offense shut down, KU rallied to win the game and go to the Final Four. From the way the UNC offense approached the stretch run, it wasn't even clear they had recognized KU had switched from the straight man D they play 90% of the time.

The immediate discussion after the game centered on how the outcome would have been different if UNC had Marshall at PG. I mentioned how amazingly efficient UNC's offense was in the first half, brought up that Self switched defenses midway through the second half, and Self knew to wait to make this adjustment until after halftime because dropping new strategies on Roy in the second half was a known weakness. In response, UNC fans called me a sore winner and a Roy Williams hater. Tobias tried to counter the argument with a bunch of first/second half splits to try to show Roy wasn't inherently a worse coach in the second half than the first. That's what I meant by "resistance from UNC fans". I wasn't saying Roy was a bad coach nor did I say anything about how UNC fans felt about him.

Finally, please try to be less serious and personally offended by something you read on an Internet message board. Life is too short to worry about what some mouth-breathing UNC fan thinks about you or your fellow Kansas fans.

Taken under advisement. Thank you for your concern.Still think you're reading way too much into my posts. A lot of hasty conclusions drawn.

Your posts are much deeper and show more concern about the subject than I have, to be honest. I remember the general discussion you mention, although I don't remember Tobias refuting it. Certainly might have happened. I would say that in general, most reasonable UNC fans agree that Roy tends to be slow on in game/halftime adjustments, as your example shows.

Regarding the "jumping to conclusions" point, I swear that in your initial response to me you went on (and on) about how Roy is a great coach, he's in the HOF, you've never personally met him, but have heard he's a great guy, etc. So I concluded from that passage that you were implying that my statement about his in game adjustment weakness was also degrading his general coaching skill, HOF credentials and overall personality. I think that most people reading your passage would have concluded the same thing.

However, it appears that it was a false conclusion.

So really the only other unanswered question from our little exchange is whether you were previous known as Ferris on this board...

 

[Tango]

You can still root for the big east. In fact why don't you start a big east thread and hangout there?

I pointed out the fact the ACC has had no school in the Final Four in +/-5 years.

That has nothing to do with the Big East. I didnt bring that up at all.

Though i completely understand why you feel the need to deflect...

I didn't respond to your Final Four stats. I don't give a rats ### about those stats. I'm responding to you being a miserable troll over and over in this thread. Sorry your school left the Big East. If the Big East is so special to you then go discuss the Big East with other people that care about the Big East instead of taking a dump on the ACC every chance you can.

So what post were you responding to then? You cannot find one where I brought up the Big East out of nowhere for at least 2 weeks. Sorry...

Therefore, you respond to a post *this week* about the fact that the ACC hasn't put a team in Final Four in +/- 5 years by citing weeks old posts? That called deflection at best.

You deflected and you and your ACC cheerleaders (not fans) will do whatever they can to support whatever you dream up that tries to ridicule me.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

You can still root for the big east. In fact why don't you start a big east thread and hangout there?

I pointed out the fact the ACC has had no school in the Final Four in +/-5 years.

That has nothing to do with the Big East. I didnt bring that up at all.

Though i completely understand why you feel the need to deflect...

I didn't respond to your Final Four stats. I don't give a rats ### about those stats. I'm responding to you being a miserable troll over and over in this thread. Sorry your school left the Big East. If the Big East is so special to you then go discuss the Big East with other people that care about the Big East instead of taking a dump on the ACC every chance you can.

You're so silly.

So what post were you responding to then? You can't find one where I brought up the Big East out of nowhere for at least 2 weeks. Therefore, you respond to a post *this week* about the fact that the ACC hasn't put a team in Final Four in +/- 5 years by citing weeks old posts? That called deflection at best.

You deflected and you and your ACC cheerleaders (not fans) will do whatever they can to support whatever you dream up that tries to ridicule me.

Bravo cheerleaders.

Hey genius, I haven't responded in this thread in a few days so how the hell am I deflecting and what am I deflecting? You're a troll. Not quite Ripley's level yet. Call me whatever you want. Accuse me of whatever you want. I'm done responding to your garbage.

 

[Tango]

You can still root for the big east. In fact why don't you start a big east thread and hangout there?

I pointed out the fact the ACC has had no school in the Final Four in +/-5 years.

That has nothing to do with the Big East. I didnt bring that up at all.

Though i completely understand why you feel the need to deflect...

I didn't respond to your Final Four stats. I don't give a rats ### about those stats. I'm responding to you being a miserable troll over and over in this thread. Sorry your school left the Big East. If the Big East is so special to you then go discuss the Big East with other people that care about the Big East instead of taking a dump on the ACC every chance you can.

You're so silly.

So what post were you responding to then? You can't find one where I brought up the Big East out of nowhere for at least 2 weeks. Therefore, you respond to a post *this week* about the fact that the ACC hasn't put a team in Final Four in +/- 5 years by citing weeks old posts? That called deflection at best.

You deflected and you and your ACC cheerleaders (not fans) will do whatever they can to support whatever you dream up that tries to ridicule me.

Bravo cheerleaders.

Hey genius, I haven't responded in this thread in a few days so how the hell am I deflecting and what am I deflecting? You're a troll. Not quite Ripley's level yet. Call me whatever you want. Accuse me of whatever you want. I'm done responding to your garbage.

Ok, got it. You just lashed out at me for the heck of it-- you weren't responding to any recent post. You just don't like that I'm not an ACC cheerleader and it has built up.

That's sort of reasonable. I wouldn't act out like you

do if the roles were reversed, but that's not the end of the world. You probably wouldnt act as i do if the roles were reversed either.

 

[Tango]

I feel for Cuse fans...I do.

But they're not the only team to leave a conference.

However their fanbase is most vocal about the move. Maybe that's just on this board...maybe that's just Syracuse.

It sucks...it does.

I was watching one of the old McD's games and it was on L'Ville's court. It hit me seeing that Big East logo on their court.

It just sucks...but it is what it is.

It's not our fault...hell, most ACC fans would prefer if y'all were still in your conference so we could have our balanced schedule back.

But this is where we're at now...don't make us all suffer through your taunts because football money dictated this crap.

Take shots at particular teams...sure...build your rivalry but try to leave the conference out of it cause that's just sour grapes and it's falling on deaf ears.

Generally, thoughtful post; thank you.

Any thoughts on McCullough? I guess Im late to the party on being sick of this sort of thing to the point of its degradation of my appreciation of the sport?

Chris? He's entering the draft right?I think it's crazy...we didn't see enough of the dude to really know anything but he appeared to have the body for nba. But why stay? Cuse is going to be either a dumpster fire for next few years and possibly longer or they'll be the comeback story that has all of America loving the redemption story.

Seems easier to just jump to the nba.

Agree.

I suppose that's the problem. Almost every line of thought now leads to leaving early for anyone who might be drafted.

 

[Tango]

I haven't seen this much Michael Irvin sitting in the audience since the Joe Buck/Artie Lange HBO show

 

[Tango]

Whoa, Miami ball.

 

[simey]

The Bye Bye Cheer

ompoms:

We’re the ACC and we are cocky
Gonna flush you down
Like a piece of hocky

Bye Bye
Bye Bye

We’re cheering fans and that’s how we roll
If tango don't like it
He can take a stroll

Bye Bye

Bye Bye

ompoms:

 

[Tango]

I haven't seen this much Michael Irvin sitting in the audience since the Joe Buck/Artie Lange HBO show

@awfulannouncing: Michael Irvin was REALLY into the NIT Championship Game http://t.co/d05TGj7BNd

 

[ConstruxBoy]

So this is fun. We're in ATL for Easter. We go to the old UNC bar in Buckhead on Peachtree Battle, to root against Duke (sorry Duke guys). Sit down on the patio. Notice a ton of dark Blue. Now it's called Whitehall Tavern and it's a Duke bar. Literally surrounded by Duke fans. It's awesome. Go MSU!!

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Bold strategy by Izzo: play great for the first 5 minutes and then suck ### the rest of the game. Let's see how it works out for him.

 

[tdoss]

MSU relying upon that #1 3 point percentage a bit too much.

 

[NutterButter]

That's a foul. All wrist. First one was awful though.

 

[TLEF316]

Agreed.

 

[tdoss]

That's a foul. All wrist. First one was awful though.

Definitely.

 

[tdoss]

ACC in the Championship.

Sorry Tango.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Bold strategy by Izzo: play great for the first 5 minutes and then suck ### the rest of the game. Let's see how it works out for him.

http://i.lvme.me/v7g6u9t.jpg

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Stewart Mandel ‏@slmandel 14m14 minutes ago
Outside the Duke locker room, Okafor's dad and uncle putting on a show for the media. Chiding AP voters for only giving him 5 votes for POY.

 

[NMYMND]

Congrats Duke guys. I think Monday will be a coronation for a heck of a team.

 

[TLEF316]

gonna be interesting on Monday. The building could be 1/2 empty with all the UK fans heading home.

 

[tdoss]

Either one of these teams are going to be tough for Duke to beat.

Just glad Kentucky doesn't get a shot at undefeated.

I said a couple years ago..."Final Four or Bust" for this team right here.

I'm overjoyed...everything is gravy now...

Of course, I'll be gutshot if Duke loses on Monday...but I won't be disappointed in this team and what it did this year.

Man...the refs were just awful the last few minutes of that Kentucky/Wisconsin game...regardless of who wins...I hope like hell we don't see a repeat of that nonsense...just awful.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Congrats, Dukies. I'm-a have to root for the Badgers because 1. Duke's the other team and (more importantly for me) 2. I'd like to see someone else win it.

Either way the game ends up, this has been one hell of a nice ride for a very good Duke team.

Random ACC Memory: Hawkeye Whitney

 

[simey]

Nice win Blue s . It's going to be a tough Monday. You better come to rumble . Good luck!!

 

[randall146]

Congrats, Dukies. I'm-a have to root for the Badgers because 1. Duke's the other team and (more importantly for me) 2. I'd like to see someone else win it.

3. You've got to root for your confererence

 

[Worm]

Nice win Blue s . It's going to be a tough Monday. You better come to rumble . Good luck!!

I'd be shocked if the game played out like it did earlier this year. Wiscy is playing so well. Gonna be a battle.

 

[Tau837]

Duke has made it look pretty easy to make it to the title game, which shows just how good they are. I hope they win it.

 

[Tango]

Nice win Blue s . It's going to be a tough Monday. You better come to rumble . Good luck!!

I'd be shocked if the game played out like it did earlier this year. Wiscy is playing so well. Gonna be a battle.

Yes, and Duke's non-Okafor core has taken leaps during this run too. These are two teams that are improving. That wouldn't have been true if Kentucky advanced.

I hear the game is a pick em? I would've guessed Duke by 3.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Your posts are much deeper and show more concern about the subject than I have, to be honest. I remember the general discussion you mention, although I don't remember Tobias refuting it. Certainly might have happened. I would say that in general, most reasonable UNC fans agree that Roy tends to be slow on in game/halftime adjustments, as your example shows.

There's probably an element of "They can't say that to our pledges; only WE can say that you our pledges!" element in play, too. The resistance wasn't a response to the message as much as it was a response to the messenger. Among other KU fans, I'm probably quicker to be critical of the program and its players than among the general CBB populace.

Regarding the "jumping to conclusions" point, I swear that in your initial response to me you went on (and on) about how Roy is a great coach, he's in the HOF, you've never personally met him, but have heard he's a great guy, etc. So I concluded from that passage that you were implying that my statement about his in game adjustment weakness was also degrading his general coaching skill, HOF credentials and overall personality. I think that most people reading your passage would have concluded the same thing.

However, it appears that it was a false conclusion.

That was a horrible conclusion to draw and you're wrong to think it was reasonable.

So really the only other unanswered question from our little exchange is whether you were previous known as Ferris on this board...

It is adorable that you think this is an open issue, and I have greatly enjoyed watching you carry yourself as if you solved some mystery that few, if any, have figured out.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

So yes?

Good to know.

 

[Sammy3469]

Can't wait for tonight. It'll be interesting to see what type of wrinkles K puts in place to try to slow Wisconsin's offense. Last game they switched everything and Wisconsin wasn't prepared for that, so while I expect to see some of that, I doubt it'll be to that extent (Duke didn't do a whole lot of that against Mi St or Gonzaga).

I do expect a little full court semi-pressure. They've generated a handful of turnovers with it against Utah, Gonzaga, and MI State, so I expect we'll see that again especially since it'll slow Wisconsin down from getting into their initial set. Guarding them for 25 seconds is much easier than 35. Much like UK, I expect Duke to dare Hayes and Koenig to beat them with Winslow on Dekker to try to slow him down.

 

[Sammy3469]

FWIW, both Jackson and Johnson are coming back for UNC.

 

[tdoss]

Duke is going to need so many things go right to beat Wisconsin.

I still scratch my head as to how they beat them earlier.

Every cylinder will need to be firing...and we need a return of dominant Okafor.

But if Okafor can at least pull double duty from time to time...he's gotta be quicker with that pass and we need Cook and others to hit.

Really need Matt Jones to step up again.

Not sure refs are biting on Tyus' drive, fling it up and fall down routine anymore...he'll have to concentrate on actually hitting instead of buying the foul to bail him out.

Winslow and Cook will need to pester Dekker...that guy is deadly. Kaminsky is just a baller...not sure how you stop him.

 

[oso diablo]

Duke is going to need so many things go right to beat Wisconsin.

I still scratch my head as to how they beat them earlier.

65% shooting?

 

[oso diablo]

Really need Matt Jones to step up again.

that's not comforting

 

[randall146]

Winslow and Cook will need to pester Dekker...that guy is deadly.

I'm terrified of Dekker

 

[Tau837]

If Duke wins the title, any chance Coach K would choose to retire? Haven't heard that, and I assume not, just curious.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Just want to see a great battle between okafor and Winslow vs kaminsky and Dekker. Hope the refs don't try to be part of the story like the second game Saturday night.

 

[Sammy3469]

Really need Matt Jones to step up again.

that's not comforting

Good thing it's also probably not true. For as good as Wisky's offense has been this tourney, their defense has been pretty pedestrian. For the first 35 minutes, KY was basically doing what they want wanted, UNC got a ton of open 3 point shots, AZ shot 55% against them, etc. You can score efficiently against them. Whether it's Okafor down low, Winslow charging to the basket, or lapses in defense to give open 3 looks, Duke will get good shots (whether they hit them is another matter).

The game will be decided on the other end. As great as KY's defense was, the crux of it was protecting the paint without that much perimeter pressure. Against Duke that will be reversed. If they can consistently get open looks off their pro-set (much of it is built on exploiting a favorable matchup which worked well against KY), they'll win. If Duke causes a few turnovers, forces contested shots, and rebounds the defensive board well, they will.

 

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Duke is going to need so many things go right to beat Wisconsin.

I still scratch my head as to how they beat them earlier.

65% shooting?

You may be on to something.