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**2015 MLB Season Thread: This is how the chapter ends (2 Viewers)

I know everyone hates him but that go ahead missile HR by ARod, 660 to boot, amid piercing boos at Fenway was pretty ####### cool.
Didn't see any posts in the Yankee thread so I mentioned it there, but yeah that was pretty good. This might sound pathetic, but it's easily one of his best Yankee moments. I'm certain there aren't many that felt much better to HIM at least.

 
I know everyone hates him but that go ahead missile HR by ARod, 660 to boot, amid piercing boos at Fenway was pretty ####### cool.
Didn't see any posts in the Yankee thread so I mentioned it there, but yeah that was pretty good. This might sound pathetic, but it's easily one of his best Yankee moments. I'm certain there aren't many that felt much better to HIM at least.
Heels are good for the game

 
I just read an excerpt in SI from Pedro Martinez's forthcoming book. He talks a lot about Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS, and uses both hands to throw Grady Little under the bus. He claims that he finished the sixth inning, at 100 pitches, and started taking off his cleats. Grady Little stepped in front of him and asked him to face one more hitter: Nick Johnson. Pedro put his cleats back on, went back out and got Johnson to pop-up. Jeter was up next. Little didn't move in the dugout.

The rest is history.

 
I just read an excerpt in SI from Pedro Martinez's forthcoming book. He talks a lot about Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS, and uses both hands to throw Grady Little under the bus. He claims that he finished the sixth inning, at 100 pitches, and started taking off his cleats. Grady Little stepped in front of him and asked him to face one more hitter: Nick Johnson. Pedro put his cleats back on, went back out and got Johnson to pop-up. Jeter was up next. Little didn't move in the dugout.

The rest is history.
Pretty sure that was the eighth inning that it all unraveled. I was at the game. But the story is right. Pedro was congratulated by teammates in the dugout after finishing the previous inning. No one expected him to come back out for the eighth.

 
I just read an excerpt in SI from Pedro Martinez's forthcoming book. He talks a lot about Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS, and uses both hands to throw Grady Little under the bus. He claims that he finished the sixth inning, at 100 pitches, and started taking off his cleats. Grady Little stepped in front of him and asked him to face one more hitter: Nick Johnson. Pedro put his cleats back on, went back out and got Johnson to pop-up. Jeter was up next. Little didn't move in the dugout.

The rest is history.
Pretty sure that was the eighth inning that it all unraveled. I was at the game. But the story is right. Pedro was congratulated by teammates in the dugout after finishing the previous inning. No one expected him to come back out for the eighth.
In defense of Little, the Sox bullpen had been used a lot during the series and their best reliever all year (Byung-hyun Kim but still :shrug: ) was injured and not on the playoffs roster.

 
Philies remind me of the early 2000s Tigers, two or three good players and just a pile of dung beyond that. It's almost depressing watching them.

 
Limp Ditka said:
I'm somehow cheering for him now
same here
Once a cheat, always a cheat

I'm just assuming he's taking something they don't test for yet.
Yankees will not pay ARod $6 million bonus for hitting 660: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/yankees/2015/05/02/alex-rodriguez-bonus-brian-cashman-660th-home-run-willie-mays/26774077/
The language of the marketing agreement must be vague enough for the Yankees to think they have a chance with this action. But I don't like the idea of them trying to bury the achievement as a legal tactic. The HRs happened and I think ignoring 660 disrespects Rodriguez, baseball and Willie Mays.

 
Limp Ditka said:
I'm somehow cheering for him now
same here
Once a cheat, always a cheat

I'm just assuming he's taking something they don't test for yet.
Yankees will not pay ARod $6 million bonus for hitting 660: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/yankees/2015/05/02/alex-rodriguez-bonus-brian-cashman-660th-home-run-willie-mays/26774077/
The language of the marketing agreement must be vague enough for the Yankees to think they have a chance with this action. But I don't like the idea of them trying to bury the achievement as a legal tactic. The HRs happened and I think ignoring 660 disrespects Rodriguez, baseball and Willie Mays.
LOL The homers happened because he cheated

ARoid and his cheating ways is what has been disrespectful to baseball(and Willie), not the Yankee's unwillingness to pay him for them.

 
Limp Ditka said:
I'm somehow cheering for him now
same here
Once a cheat, always a cheat

I'm just assuming he's taking something they don't test for yet.
Yankees will not pay ARod $6 million bonus for hitting 660: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/yankees/2015/05/02/alex-rodriguez-bonus-brian-cashman-660th-home-run-willie-mays/26774077/
The language of the marketing agreement must be vague enough for the Yankees to think they have a chance with this action. But I don't like the idea of them trying to bury the achievement as a legal tactic. The HRs happened and I think ignoring 660 disrespects Rodriguez, baseball and Willie Mays.
LOL The homers happened because he cheated

ARoid and his cheating ways is what has been disrespectful to baseball(and Willie), not the Yankee's unwillingness to pay him for them.
the Yankees signed him to the ten year deal including the marketing agreement in December 2007 This was the same year that Barry Bonds broke Aaron's record and the Mitchell Report was issued. The suspicions about Arod were out there even if the proof wasn't.

It was a stupid clause in a stupid deal and the Yankees shouldn't be allowed to welch on it.

 
The locker of baseball Hall of Fame member Willie Mays was a source of amphetamines when Mays played with the New York Mets in 1973, retired outfielder John Milner testified Thursday in a federal cocaine trafficking trial.

The former Met said his first introduction to a liquid amphetamine called "red juice" was from a bottle he took from Mays' locker. Milner also said that amphetamines were regularly placed in his own locker when he was with the Pittsburgh Pirates from 1978 through part of the 1981 season.
 
The locker of baseball Hall of Fame member Willie Mays was a source of amphetamines when Mays played with the New York Mets in 1973, retired outfielder John Milner testified Thursday in a federal cocaine trafficking trial.

The former Met said his first introduction to a liquid amphetamine called "red juice" was from a bottle he took from Mays' locker. Milner also said that amphetamines were regularly placed in his own locker when he was with the Pittsburgh Pirates from 1978 through part of the 1981 season.
LOL, love this argument.

 
The locker of baseball Hall of Fame member Willie Mays was a source of amphetamines when Mays played with the New York Mets in 1973, retired outfielder John Milner testified Thursday in a federal cocaine trafficking trial.

The former Met said his first introduction to a liquid amphetamine called "red juice" was from a bottle he took from Mays' locker. Milner also said that amphetamines were regularly placed in his own locker when he was with the Pittsburgh Pirates from 1978 through part of the 1981 season.
LOL, love this argument.
:shrug:

I tend to think that most athletes cheat in some fashion to gain an edge

 
Smoltz+Pedro on MLBN today with Harold off.

They just talked about how they would pitch to Miggy, good stuff.

 
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Don Quixote said:
"Good said:
Does firing a manager ever really change anything?
O's firing Tremblay/Samuel for Buck Showalter worked out pretty good.
Seems like a logical thing to do when you have an opportunity to get your hands on a proven commodity like Buck

They did it for Craig Counsell.

 
Don Quixote said:
"Good said:
Does firing a manager ever really change anything?
O's firing Tremblay/Samuel for Buck Showalter worked out pretty good.
Seems like a logical thing to do when you have an opportunity to get your hands on a proven commodity like Buck

They did it for Craig Counsell.
NEW YORK—After the records of players who used performance-enhancing drugs are carefully removed, statistics provided by the Elias Sports Bureau indicate that lifetime .255 hitter Craig Counsell was the best player of the past 15 years. "If you judge them on the basis of pure physical ability, you're left with Craig Counsell," said ESB representative Patrick Wondolowski, adding that Counsell's 35 career home runs narrowly beat out Quinton McCracken's 21 and pitcher Glendon Rusch's three. Upon hearing the news, broadcaster Bob Uecker lauded the Brewers utilityman as "one of the best I ever saw, if we're talking about those who I can say without a doubt never took steroids. He came this close to stealing a base off of Ivan Rodriguez, and I swear I heard him foul tip a Roger Clemens fastball. The kid could flat-out steroid-free play. One time he was playing third base and he caught a Rafael Palmeiro line drive—just caught it, right in his mitt." When asked about his Hall of Fame chances, Counsell dodged the question by asking if anyone had a few bucks so he could go buy a sandwich.

http://www.theonion.com/article/turns-out-craig-counsell-was-actually-best-basebal-6581
 
Rangers run against Keuchel is on Conger. Had a runner in dead-man land between 1st&2nd and he throws behind the runner. That's taught in Little League. Never throw behind the runner. Of course, Guy scores and its charged to Keuchel. BS. E2, all day long

 
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Didn't the Marlins bring in Mckeon early in 03 after a rough start? I could look it up but its annoying on a phone
after a 16-22 start.
Four of those games were AJ Burnett starts, who was horrible before being shut down with TJS. Willis filled in for him, which was addition by subtraction. Cabrera also debuted as a 3B/LF for them in late June, which helped. That team played better later in the year than earlier, but their run differential for the entire season was +59, for a Pythagorean record of 87 wins, 75 losses. How much of that was McKeon?

That team also traded away Adrian Gonzalez to the Rangers for Urbina. Woops.

 
Didn't the Marlins bring in Mckeon early in 03 after a rough start? I could look it up but its annoying on a phone
after a 16-22 start.
Four of those games were AJ Burnett starts, who was horrible before being shut down with TJS. Willis filled in for him, which was addition by subtraction. Cabrera also debuted as a 3B/LF for them in late June, which helped. That team played better later in the year than earlier, but their run differential for the entire season was +59, for a Pythagorean record of 87 wins, 75 losses. How much of that was McKeon?

That team also traded away Adrian Gonzalez to the Rangers for Urbina. Woops.
probably nothing. Managers have very little impact, IMO. I did a thing last year looking at all managers' actual wins vs. their pythagorean expectations. Showalter was number 2 among managers with more than like 200 games (and number 1 only had about that many), so maybe he has something, but it seems like there is very little difference.

I do think that sometimes a good manager can keep a team in a good place mentally and sometimes that is helpful, but it is more like steering a giant ship than executing with precision.

 
Didn't the Marlins bring in Mckeon early in 03 after a rough start? I could look it up but its annoying on a phone
after a 16-22 start.
Four of those games were AJ Burnett starts, who was horrible before being shut down with TJS. Willis filled in for him, which was addition by subtraction. Cabrera also debuted as a 3B/LF for them in late June, which helped. That team played better later in the year than earlier, but their run differential for the entire season was +59, for a Pythagorean record of 87 wins, 75 losses. How much of that was McKeon?

That team also traded away Adrian Gonzalez to the Rangers for Urbina. Woops.
probably nothing. Managers have very little impact, IMO. I did a thing last year looking at all managers' actual wins vs. their pythagorean expectations. Showalter was number 2 among managers with more than like 200 games (and number 1 only had about that many), so maybe he has something, but it seems like there is very little difference.

I do think that sometimes a good manager can keep a team in a good place mentally and sometimes that is helpful, but it is more like steering a giant ship than executing with precision.
Agreed, was just looking for an example. A good manager can keep clubhouse troubles from getting out of hand, put guys in positions to succeed, etc. Torre was a master of this and handling the NY media. But as far as in-game strategy, it's overblown for the most part. I DO however think that a bad manager can greatly affect a team, both mentally and in-game.

 

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