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**2015 MLB Season Thread: This is how the chapter ends (1 Viewer)

With Holliday hurt again, they needed another bat. But damn, if they were willing to give up Rob Kaminsky, it's disappointing that it was for Brandon Moss when Adam Lind's name was churning through the rumor mill.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
With Holliday hurt again, they needed another bat. But damn, if they were willing to give up Rob Kaminsky, it's disappointing that it was for Brandon Moss when Adam Lind's name was churning through the rumor mill.
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Lind definitely seems like the kind of guy the Cards would prefer. Maybe they see something with Moss they can fix. As someone pointed out: they just gave up more for 1.3 years of Moss than the Indians gave up for 2 years of him.

 
pantagrapher said:
Bruce Dickinson said:
With Holliday hurt again, they needed another bat. But damn, if they were willing to give up Rob Kaminsky, it's disappointing that it was for Brandon Moss when Adam Lind's name was churning through the rumor mill.
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Lind definitely seems like the kind of guy the Cards would prefer. Maybe they see something with Moss they can fix. As someone pointed out: they just gave up more for 1.3 years of Moss than the Indians gave up for 2 years of him.
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Piling on... Moss was a 2.x WAR guy his last three years in Oakland, but is negative WAR this year.
 
Bruce Dickinson said:
pantagrapher said:
Bruce Dickinson said:
With Holliday hurt again, they needed another bat. But damn, if they were willing to give up Rob Kaminsky, it's disappointing that it was for Brandon Moss when Adam Lind's name was churning through the rumor mill.
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Lind definitely seems like the kind of guy the Cards would prefer. Maybe they see something with Moss they can fix. As someone pointed out: they just gave up more for 1.3 years of Moss than the Indians gave up for 2 years of him.
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Piling on... Moss was a 2.x WAR guy his last three years in Oakland, but is negative WAR this year.
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This is why I'm surprised they gave up Kaminsky. You'd think they're buying low on the guy.

 
OK, so I'm not crazy. This deal is getting some WTF from baseball writers. I like Joe Sheehan's best: "I'd have preferred just putting Rob Kaminsky at first base to what the #stlcards actually did."

 
Phils added some quality depth to their farm system. Of course you now have to have faith that they can develop it and not screw it up. #DOMBROWN

 
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Doctor Detroit said:
JZilla to the Pirates for :moneybag: considerations.
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Because of my fascination with Moneyball and how that whole draft played out, it's a bit ironic that Blanton was drafted only seven picks behind Hamels and both were traded tonight.

The return packages were just a little bit different, though.

And IIRC, Hamels was one of those "high school players" in which Beane had absolutely no interest (much like Prince).
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Or Chris Gruler, or Scott Moore.

"Moneyball" isn't really a set of rules or circumstances. The Dodgers are doing a lot of the same stuff right now that the A's are.

 
Am I just caught up in the moment, or is this one of the most active deadline weeks in a while? Seems like there is at least 1 notable guy traded every day for a week now.

 
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larch said:
Doctor Detroit said:
E-Z Glider said:
Doctor Detroit said:
anyone thinking Miguel Cabrera is going to fade like Albert Belle or Ryan Howard is out of their minds.
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Howard was never the same after the injury. Something about Miggy makes you think he's immune from injury? He looks to me like exactly the type of player/body type that will not age well.
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Cabrera is the best hitter of your lifetime, and he doesn't strike out 200 times over a two year period yet in one season. Cabrera's worst career OPS year was .879, Howards career OPS is .872. He's obviously not immune to injury based on his current status, but if that's the horse you're going to ride then have at it. Cabrera has averaged 155 games played over his career, Howard's reached that number three times in a season. They aren't comparable players, Cabrera is a Hall Of Famer and the best hitter since Ted Williams. Howard is a good player who had three or four terrific seasons.
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Bonds is the best hitter of our lifetime.*
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I expect Cabrera will have one too eventually
 
Capella said:
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Don't like this trade at all for Toronto.
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It's weird that these mediocre to bad teams are making all of these huge moves.
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It's mostly AL teams, right? It makes sense. Right now the Twins are in the AL Wild Card game with a 52-48 record. And most acquisitions are far more useful to teams fighting for playoff spots than those who are almost locks since the slight upgrade means a lot more over 60ish games than it does in the crapshoot that is the MLB playoffs.

 
PIK95 said:
Doctor Detroit said:
larch said:
Doctor Detroit said:
E-Z Glider said:
Doctor Detroit said:
anyone thinking Miguel Cabrera is going to fade like Albert Belle or Ryan Howard is out of their minds.
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Howard was never the same after the injury. Something about Miggy makes you think he's immune from injury? He looks to me like exactly the type of player/body type that will not age well.
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Cabrera is the best hitter of your lifetime, and he doesn't strike out 200 times over a two year period yet in one season. Cabrera's worst career OPS year was .879, Howards career OPS is .872. He's obviously not immune to injury based on his current status, but if that's the horse you're going to ride then have at it. Cabrera has averaged 155 games played over his career, Howard's reached that number three times in a season. They aren't comparable players, Cabrera is a Hall Of Famer and the best hitter since Ted Williams. Howard is a good player who had three or four terrific seasons.
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Bonds is the best hitter of our lifetime.*
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I expect Cabrera will have one too eventually
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:fishing: For pissing hot for hot dog relish?

 
Oh boy. Pineda scratched with an elbow issue. The Yanks may regret passing on all these guys soon. Time to go after Tyson Ross

 
George Jefferson Airplane said:
Good Posting Judge said:
Don't like this trade at all for Toronto.
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Yeah, can't see them being the favorite to keep him. Not at all.
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The Blue Jays haven't made the playoffs in 21 years, easily the longest drought in the four major North American sports. They're two games out of the Wild Card right now and the team they're chasing is six games under .500 over the last two weeks. If they find a way into a division series I bet their fans will be just fine with sacrificing Norris as part of the effort, and if they buy more tickets and watch more games as a result then the front office will be happy too. And of course they get a comp pick as part of the package too.

 
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TobiasFunke said:
Capella said:
"Good said:
Don't like this trade at all for Toronto.
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It's weird that these mediocre to bad teams are making all of these huge moves.
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It's mostly AL teams, right? It makes sense. Right now the Twins are in the AL Wild Card game with a 52-48 record. And most acquisitions are far more useful to teams fighting for playoff spots than those who are almost locks since the slight upgrade means a lot more over 60ish games than it does in the crapshoot that is the MLB playoffs.
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I would actually think that the addition of Price (given that he's a rental) would make a lot more sense for a team that is already a lock to make the playoffs. When you give up quality prospects for a pure rental, your intention is to win now at all costs. Toronto isn't even a lock to make the WC. Even if they do make the WC, they are probably forced to tie up Price in that one game playoff which would reduce his value for the rest of the playoffs. A team that is already a lock knows that they can just start Price in game 1 and maximize his value for the first round of the playoffs. Major risk by toronto IMO but I also don't know a thing about these prospects.

 
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TobiasFunke said:
George Jefferson Airplane said:
Good Posting Judge said:
Don't like this trade at all for Toronto.
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Yeah, can't see them being the favorite to keep him. Not at all.
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The Blue Jays haven't made the playoffs in 21 years, easily the longest drought in the four major North American sports. They're two games out of the Wild Card right now and the team they're chasing is six games under .500 over the last two weeks. If they find a way into a division series I bet their fans will be just fine with sacrificing Norris as part of the effort, and if they buy more tickets and watch more games as a result then the front office will be happy too. And of course they get a comp pick as part of the package too.
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Are there similarities with what Milwaukee did when they got CC? They did end up winning the division that year and they were relevant for a little while. I'm not sure how Milwaukee fans feel about that trade now. I guess in hindsight it's not a bad trade but it didn't help Milwaukee win anything.

 
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I like seeing Toronto go all-in. This wasn't a structurally sound team expecting a few more years being playoff contenders. This could be their shot for the next five years. Go for it.

 
fred_1_15301 said:
TobiasFunke said:
George Jefferson Airplane said:
Good Posting Judge said:
Don't like this trade at all for Toronto.
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Yeah, can't see them being the favorite to keep him. Not at all.
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The Blue Jays haven't made the playoffs in 21 years, easily the longest drought in the four major North American sports. They're two games out of the Wild Card right now and the team they're chasing is six games under .500 over the last two weeks. If they find a way into a division series I bet their fans will be just fine with sacrificing Norris as part of the effort, and if they buy more tickets and watch more games as a result then the front office will be happy too. And of course they get a comp pick as part of the package too.
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Are there similarities with what Milwaukee did when they got CC? They did end up winning the division that year and they were relevant for a little while. I'm not sure how Milwaukee fans feel about that trade now. I guess in hindsight it's not a bad trade but it didn't help Milwaukee win anything.
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Sure it did. Might not seem like much if you're a fan of a team that wins the division on a regular basis and/or has won a World Series in the last 20 years or so, but for about half the league's fans a division title (and the chance to experience a playoff series including multiple home playoff games) is cause for huge celebration.

Good call on the comp too. Tough division, not a huge foundation of young talent in place or a lot of money to spend, gotta roll the dice.

 
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fred_1_15301 said:
TobiasFunke said:
George Jefferson Airplane said:
Good Posting Judge said:
Don't like this trade at all for Toronto.
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Yeah, can't see them being the favorite to keep him. Not at all.
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The Blue Jays haven't made the playoffs in 21 years, easily the longest drought in the four major North American sports. They're two games out of the Wild Card right now and the team they're chasing is six games under .500 over the last two weeks. If they find a way into a division series I bet their fans will be just fine with sacrificing Norris as part of the effort, and if they buy more tickets and watch more games as a result then the front office will be happy too. And of course they get a comp pick as part of the package too.
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Are there similarities with what Milwaukee did when they got CC? They did end up winning the division that year and they were relevant for a little while. I'm not sure how Milwaukee fans feel about that trade now. I guess in hindsight it's not a bad trade but it didn't help Milwaukee win anything.
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Correction, the Brewers won the wild card, and it was on the last day of the season. Without CC they don't sniff the playoffs

I think that most around here would do that trade again in a heartbeat. They hadn't made the playoffs since 1982 and the city was itching for something in October. There was such a buzz all summer long and being relevant again was much needed for the city.

 
On the Jays, they're also the best run differential in baseball, they should be better than their record. That,plus the drought, plus aging Bautista, Edwin, Buehrle, Dickey etc... It's time to make their move.

 
Seems crazy to have these strikeout machines at first after Puljos years. Hope they can break Moss out of bad at bats

 
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fred_1_15301 said:
TobiasFunke said:
Capella said:
"Good said:
Don't like this trade at all for Toronto.
Click to expand...
It's weird that these mediocre to bad teams are making all of these huge moves.
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It's mostly AL teams, right? It makes sense. Right now the Twins are in the AL Wild Card game with a 52-48 record. And most acquisitions are far more useful to teams fighting for playoff spots than those who are almost locks since the slight upgrade means a lot more over 60ish games than it does in the crapshoot that is the MLB playoffs.
Click to expand...
I would actually think that the addition of Price (given that he's a rental) would make a lot more sense for a team that is already a lock to make the playoffs. When you give up quality prospects for a pure rental, your intention is to win now at all costs. Toronto isn't even a lock to make the WC. Even if they do make the WC, they are probably forced to tie up Price in that one game playoff which would reduce his value for the rest of the playoffs. A team that is already a lock knows that they can just start Price in game 1 and maximize his value for the first round of the playoffs. Major risk by toronto IMO but I also don't know a thing about these prospects.
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THere was something on Fangraphs a few days ago about the results of trading for aces at the deadline, but obviously I've forgotten all the points made therein.

 
TobiasFunke said:
George Jefferson Airplane said:
Good Posting Judge said:
Don't like this trade at all for Toronto.
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Yeah, can't see them being the favorite to keep him. Not at all.
Click to expand...
The Blue Jays haven't made the playoffs in 21 years, easily the longest drought in the four major North American sports. They're two games out of the Wild Card right now and the team they're chasing is six games under .500 over the last two weeks. If they find a way into a division series I bet their fans will be just fine with sacrificing Norris as part of the effort, and if they buy more tickets and watch more games as a result then the front office will be happy too. And of course they get a comp pick as part of the package too.
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I don't think they get a pick for Price. Players traded in season can't be given a QO. Or am I imagining that?

 
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