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**2015 MLB Season Thread: This is how the chapter ends (1 Viewer)
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Frostillicus
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Good Posting Judge
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Good Posting Judge
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Yankees offered Jorge Mateo (Yankees #5 prospect, SS in A ball) and to take on Gyorko's entire contract ($33mm remaining) for Kimbrel, Padres passed.
Assuming the Yankees would exercise Kimbrel's team option in 2017 and decline Gyorko's $13mm option in 2020 (lulz), that would put the cost of 3.5 years of Craig Kimbrel (and like a zillion years of Jedd Gyorko) at around $70mm, plus a good prospect.
Kimbrel's career fWAR is 12.4 through 330 IP, which is remarkable...but you only get 60-70 innings from him per year. That's nuts.
Assuming the Yankees would exercise Kimbrel's team option in 2017 and decline Gyorko's $13mm option in 2020 (lulz), that would put the cost of 3.5 years of Craig Kimbrel (and like a zillion years of Jedd Gyorko) at around $70mm, plus a good prospect.
Kimbrel's career fWAR is 12.4 through 330 IP, which is remarkable...but you only get 60-70 innings from him per year. That's nuts.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Was there a rumor of Bucs trading Pedro Alvarez to Dodgers for Morse or did I dream that?
ThaPenguin
Footballguy
Pirates traded Tabata, not Pedro. Morse reports to Pitt on Monday, LA probably told Tabata to just stay home.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
And yet the Padres said no (or wouldn't answer the phone to say no). That's even nutser.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
As critical as I've been towards Pedro, I would probably jump off a bridge if your dream was reality.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Hilts
Footballguy
Might be time for Beane to move on. Oakland would be better off with a GM like Preller. Guy isn't afraid to get some stars on the team instead of a bunch of loser no names and he's not too scared to keep the team together and make a push for the playoffs despite the critics and other haters saying it can't be done.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Hilts
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shadyridr
Footballguy
where did you hear that? Everything I read said the Yanks refused to deal Mateo for Kimbrel
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
Royals doing Royals things again today.
Northern Voice
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Peyton Marino
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they are just the absolute ####### worst.Northern Voice said:
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Home plate umpire's handling of this has been a cluster####Northern Voice said:
I don't get to watch enough baseball, but I can't imagine an ump handling that situation any worse. A 1st inning warning after the Royals throw inside, then 3 or 4 more high and inside pitches including a HBP by the Royals and nothing. Then Sanchez gets tossed after a HBP. Just brutal.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Yost is a #### boy.
George Jefferson Airplane
Footballguy
Royals could be in the next Slap Shot movie at this rate.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Except the Hanson brothers fought. KC guys have the "hold me back Bro" down to a science.
Nugget
Footballguy
Donaldson was hit intentionally in the first. One pitch by Volquez was up and in on him after that, but his next 4 plate appearances were a walk and 3Ks. Tulo was not on purpose - hit his back elbow and he turned into it. He stands on the inside line of the batters box. Madson throwing inside at JD in the 7th was likely on purpose as well - he was jawing pretty hard after the Tulo HPB.
Royals have been hit by many more pitches this season than they have thrown.
KC has hit 29 batters - 13th in the AL
KC has been hit 57 times - 1st in the AL
Our All Star third baseman gets hit by a pitch Saturday and had to sit out on Sunday.
Royals have been hit by many more pitches this season than they have thrown.
KC has hit 29 batters - 13th in the AL
KC has been hit 57 times - 1st in the AL
Our All Star third baseman gets hit by a pitch Saturday and had to sit out on Sunday.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Yesterday was mostly on the ump, he let the Royals pitch inside repeatedly, but didn't let Toronto at all. Some Jays media types tweeted that the only two intentional HBPs in their opinion were Volquez hitting Donaldson in the 1st, and Sanchez hitting some stiff in the 8th.
The Royals make everything worth with all their surrounding antics, crying motions, emptying the benches etc...
Their post game comments are also the most hypocritical I've seen in a while. They say hitting Donaldson wasn't intentional, then they a second later he's "pimping everything" and needs to be hit.
Madson says if he was throwing at him on purpose, it would be with a first pitch fastball but they empty the benches when Sanchez hits some guy with an 0-2 breaking ball.
Anyway, probably the best thing that could happen for a Jays team that turned over 20% of its major league roster last week. Great team building and beat the team with the best record in the AL (note I didn't say the best team) 3 games out of 4.
The Royals make everything worth with all their surrounding antics, crying motions, emptying the benches etc...
Their post game comments are also the most hypocritical I've seen in a while. They say hitting Donaldson wasn't intentional, then they a second later he's "pimping everything" and needs to be hit.
Madson says if he was throwing at him on purpose, it would be with a first pitch fastball but they empty the benches when Sanchez hits some guy with an 0-2 breaking ball.
Anyway, probably the best thing that could happen for a Jays team that turned over 20% of its major league roster last week. Great team building and beat the team with the best record in the AL (note I didn't say the best team) 3 games out of 4.
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Cliff Clavin
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Yeah, it wasn't the Royals. Just like it wasn't them vs Oakland, Chicago or Cleveland. Or when they spent a game throwing at Houston players when they were getting swept before the all-star break. Bunch of clowns.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I guess I'll be the old school guy and ask why teams can't pitch inside against the Blue Jays?
They have a bunch of right handed sluggers who lean out over the plate and pimp dingers every time they get one, but then they whine when guys dust them upstairs? #### the Blue Jays.
They have a bunch of right handed sluggers who lean out over the plate and pimp dingers every time they get one, but then they whine when guys dust them upstairs? #### the Blue Jays.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Plenty of teams pitch them inside. Not many team intentionally hit them then throw at their heads.
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
Northern Voice
Footballguy
They pitched inside repeatedly. The first time a Jays pitcher did he got tossed (and the Royals emptied the benches). None of the Royals pitchers were thrown out.
Plus, be honest, the Royals have been ####stains all season long.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Also, I thought the Royals were supposed to have a good bullpen 
Grahamburn
Footballguy
The pitch to Tulo hit him on the hand after he steps toward the inside part of the plate. His left foot landed on the chalk of the batter's box. Madson dusted Donaldson inside, but it was right at the giant elbow pad he wears which was hanging out over the plate. Not his head.
Donaldson was complaining about pitches being thrown inside. That was my question. Why can't they pitch him inside? Obviously it's an effective way to get him out. I guess pitchers should just throw the ball right where he wants them to because if they don't he whines? Same thing with Bautista. They wear giant elbow guards so they can lean out over the plate and yoke mistakes into the seats.
But if you dust them in they get all pissy? You can't have it both ways. Good for the Royals for not letting them keep doing it.
And obviously the Sanchez tossing was warranted.
TobiasFunke
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This is the key to it for me. At some point you're longer entitled to the benefit of the doubt. The Royals passed that point by May.
And the first "inside" pitch to Donaldson was at his head. That's not a brushback, that's headhunting. If you don't like them standing on the plate, tell the ump you're going after the inside edge and then do it. It's not that hard. If you're good enough to hit your spots you're good enough to hit your spots. If you're not you deserve to get punished for not pitching well.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Tulo was hit in the ribs first.
Pitching inside!= throwing at Donaldson's head 3 times.
Yes, Sanchez deserved to be tossed had the ump been tossing pitchers for throwing at players; but the umps clearly weren't doing that. That was clearly intentional.
I don't think the Royals were getting Donaldson out effectively. Didn't he have something like 3hrs and 7 RBI?
And Yost is as much of a clown as the rest of the team.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Yost is a clown. We can agree there.
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Yordano VenturAAA chirping Bautista via Twitter then deleting it What a bunch of #######.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Are there going to be suspensions for this? Would think Gibbons, Travis and Sanchez would be locks (or at least fines for Gibbons and Travis). Volquez all but admitted to throwing at Donaldson so that should get something.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
The two have very little do to with each other. There's a huge difference between HBPs and throwing at someone's head- thankfully the latter usually misses so it doesn't show up in the HBP tally. In fact that stat kind of feeds the narrative- KC stands close to the plate enough to get plunked all the time and yet they throw a hissy fit and go headhunting when someone else does the same.
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
How often has that chain of events occurred in Royals games this season? It's gotta be in at least the mid-40s, right?
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Capella
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Settle down. Your team is 2 games over.Also, I thought the Royals were supposed to have a good bullpen
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
Every single Royals player is a #####. And their bullpen sucks. It's why their record this season is so ####ty.Settle down. Your team is 2 games over.Also, I thought the Royals were supposed to have a good bullpen
Northern Voice
Footballguy
fixed itEvery single Royals PITCHER is a #####Settle down. Your team is 2 games over.Also, I thought the Royals were supposed to have a good bullpen
Northern Voice
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TobiasFunke
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I didn't say that exact chain of events happens a lot. I said they stand close enough to get plunked all the time (57) and that they also threw a hissy fit and went headhunting when someone else did the same (yesterday). Sorry if the phrasing wasn't clear. I can correct the verb tenses if you'd like.
The 2015 Royals remind me of my favorite quote in TV history: "If you run into an ###hole in the morning, you ran into an ###hole. If you run into ###holes all day, you're the ###hole."
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Well let's be fair, the Royals being massive c###s and how good they are are two separate questions.Every single Royals player is a #####. And their bullpen sucks. It's why their record this season is so ####ty.Settle down. Your team is 2 games over.Also, I thought the Royals were supposed to have a good bullpen
Based on FG's "BaseRuns", which basically attempts to strip away all luck, the Royals "should" be 54-50. That's behind NYY, TOR, OAK, HOU, and basically tied with LAA. http://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=BaseRuns
BP's 3rd order standings, pretty much the same thing but probably with different formulas, are: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/standings/
They're good. Zobrist and Cueto help a whole lot, as will Gordon if he gets back, but they're not remarkable.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Can someone link me to the head shots?
