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**2015 MLB Season Thread: This is how the chapter ends (5 Viewers)

Fat Drunk and Stupid said:
Northern Voice said:
Are there any studies showing there's actually a difference between 100 and 115 pitches or is it just our love of big round numbers?

I was listening to a podcast this week and it suggested mechanics start breaking down after about 70 pitches, should we start pulling guys after the 4th?
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There's a joke in there about Canada and the metric system, but I can't find it.
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I'd go Canadian currency with that one (70 = 100).

 
The highest-scoring innings are the 1st, 5th, and 6th. The 1st is high-scoring because the batting order is ideal. The 5th and 6th are next because those are the innings most frequently when the SP has his third trip through the order. There's a big uptick in hitter production the third time facing a pitcher in a game, much more pronounced than the second v first.

Eventually a franchise will experiment with a roster of cheap pitchers, none of whom will face more than 18 hitters in a game. But we're a ways off from that.

LaRussa came close once with the A's when he dumped the traditional rotation and put the pitching staff in three groups of three, with no pitcher expected to go more than 3-4 innings, and Eckersley still in the closer role. LaRussa's idea would be easier to pull off today with teams usually carrying 11-12 pitchers instead of 10.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Bruce Dickinson said:
Good Posting Judge said:
Cueto pitched the 9th, up 4-0, @ 105 pitches b/c olde-time baseball.
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It was the 32nd time since the start of the 2014 season that Cueto has thrown more than 105 pitches in an appearance. Surprised his arm hasn't fallen off.

Still a bit curious decision, given all the talk Yost has given the last few days about the importance of keeping the bullpen rested and ready for the postseason. It was why Holland didn't pitch yesterday in the 9th with a 1-run lead; Yost didn't want to use him three days in a row.
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Similarly, Williams let Gio Gonzalez pitch the 8th and get up to 117 pitches with an eight-run lead. He even got an AB in the 8th inning. According to Fangraphs' fancy-### box scores, the Dodgers has a 0.3% chance of winning when Gonzalez took the mound in the 8th.

Not complaining because Gio ov 5.5k cashed, but, wow.
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Have you seen the Nats bullpen lately? Not sure if an 8 run lead is safe!

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
The highest-scoring innings are the 1st, 5th, and 6th. The 1st is high-scoring because the batting order is ideal. The 5th and 6th are next because those are the innings most frequently when the SP has his third trip through the order. There's a big uptick in hitter production the third time facing a pitcher in a game, much more pronounced than the second v first.

Eventually a franchise will experiment with a roster of cheap pitchers, none of whom will face more than 18 hitters in a game. But we're a ways off from that.

LaRussa came close once with the A's when he dumped the traditional rotation and put the pitching staff in three groups of three, with no pitcher expected to go more than 3-4 innings, and Eckersley still in the closer role. LaRussa's idea would be easier to pull off today with teams usually carrying 11-12 pitchers instead of 10.
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Colorado tried a four man rotation with 75 pitch limits a few years back. It didn't have a significant impact on the club's fortunes but it wasn't a total fiasco either. It did kill off whatever limited value Rockies SPs have in fantasy.

I think an unconventional SP usage strategy would work better in the AL because a team wouldn't have to pinch hit for the pitcher when trailing. Finding four guys to throw 75 pitches is easy. The bigger problem is finding four who can be effective and stay healthy throwing 40 pitches with a less defined usage pattern. The other potential problems are the death spiral if a starter gets shelled early and some loss of situational flexibility in late innings.

 
Northern Voice said:
Are there any studies showing there's actually a difference between 100 and 115 pitches or is it just our love of big round numbers?

I was listening to a podcast this week and it suggested mechanics start breaking down after about 70 pitches, should we start pulling guys after the 4th?
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Is there a difference between 100 and 200? 500? Why not just let a pitcher pitch every day? (Somewhere Dusty Baker is nodding into his bag of Doritos)

Or, instead of letting Gonzalez or Cueto do a job that literally almost any other pitcher could do, you could give the back of your pen some work. Do you leave Aaron Rodgers in the game when you're up five TD's with 3 minutes to go?

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Northern Voice said:
Are there any studies showing there's actually a difference between 100 and 115 pitches or is it just our love of big round numbers?

I was listening to a podcast this week and it suggested mechanics start breaking down after about 70 pitches, should we start pulling guys after the 4th?
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Is there a difference between 100 and 200? 500? Why not just let a pitcher pitch every day? (Somewhere Dusty Baker is nodding into his bag of Doritos)

Or, instead of letting Gonzalez or Cueto do a job that literally almost any other pitcher could do, you could give the back of your pen some work. Do you leave Aaron Rodgers in the game when you're up five TD's with 3 minutes to go?
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:thumbup:

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
The highest-scoring innings are the 1st, 5th, and 6th. The 1st is high-scoring because the batting order is ideal. The 5th and 6th are next because those are the innings most frequently when the SP has his third trip through the order. There's a big uptick in hitter production the third time facing a pitcher in a game, much more pronounced than the second v first.

Eventually a franchise will experiment with a roster of cheap pitchers, none of whom will face more than 18 hitters in a game. But we're a ways off from that.

LaRussa came close once with the A's when he dumped the traditional rotation and put the pitching staff in three groups of three, with no pitcher expected to go more than 3-4 innings, and Eckersley still in the closer role. LaRussa's idea would be easier to pull off today with teams usually carrying 11-12 pitchers instead of 10.
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Isn't Tampa Bay doing this to some extent with the back of their rotation? I don't think its about times through the roster for them, but rather finding a market inefficiency amongst guys who can throw 40-50 pitches at the level of a top tier starter but not any more (and can't throw 15 at the level of a top tier reliever).

I bet we're closer than one would initially think, especially with the Rays, Indians, and maybe one or two other Clubs on my "likeliest candidates" list.

 
Tampa and Anaheim have both had "bullpen games" where everyone goes a couple of innings when there's no clear guy to start that day. I think seeing that more is more likely than 12 guys going 3 innings a time every few days. You're really taking away the ability for elite specialist relievers to win late-game, high-leverage situations for you.

 
Hamels AL splits are pretty bad and he has laid an egg in two Rangers starts. Guessing he adjusts well and is a #2 fantasy pitcher going forward, but I'm a little :scared: especially after they announced he's getting bumped back.

Way too many shares in this guy in keeper leagues, I do not need him to suck. Wish the Cubs or Doyers would have landed him.

 
Limp Ditka said:
All 15 home teams won last night. Hearing it's the first time that's happened, but I'll wait on Eephus to confirm
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It is true.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/142659350

The Mariners' walk-off victory over the Orioles on Tuesday night capped an unprecedented slate in Major League Baseball.

For the first time in the league's history, all 15 home teams won on the same day. Prior to Tuesday, the closest the home teams have ever come was 12 wins more than a century ago, on May 23, 1914, according to Elias Sports Bureau.

The 15 host teams -- the Blue Jays, Rays, Marlins, Mets, Indians, Cubs, Royals, White Sox, Twins, Cardinals, D-backs, Mariners, Padres, Dodgers and Giants -- outscored their visitors by an 80-32 margin, including four shutouts. Seven of the wins came after the home team trailed at some point in the game, and 11 of the 15 home clubs scored at least four runs in their victories.

The Orioles nearly played spoiler to the record in the final game of the night. They homered twice for three runs in the eighth inning to send their matchup with the Mariners into extra innings. But in the home half of the 10th, Austin Jackson clinched the historic feat with a walk-off RBI single.

Seattle wasn't the only club to secure its victory with late-game heroics, however. The Indians outlasted the Yankees in a 16-inning, five-hour marathon at Progressive Field. Michael Brantley came through for Cleveland with a walk-off single in the 5-4 win. The Red Sox also pushed the Marlins to 10 innings in Miami, but Justin Bour's game-winning single put the home team over the top.

The D-backs put up the most runs of any team Tuesday and posted the largest margin of victory, defeating the visiting Phillies, 13-1, at Chase Field. Arizona's offense exploded for 11 second-inning runs against Phillies starter David Buchanan. The Padres also hit double digits in an 11-6 win against the Reds in San Diego.

 
larch said:
Limp Ditka said:
All 15 home teams won last night. Hearing it's the first time that's happened, but I'll wait on Eephus to confirm
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For the first time in the league's history, all 15 home teams won on the same day. Prior to Tuesday, the closest the home teams have ever come was 12 wins more than a century ago, on May 23, 1914, according to Elias Sports Bureau.
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?? There were only 16 teams then, right?

 
Long Ball Larry said:
larch said:
Limp Ditka said:
All 15 home teams won last night. Hearing it's the first time that's happened, but I'll wait on Eephus to confirm
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For the first time in the league's history, all 15 home teams won on the same day. Prior to Tuesday, the closest the home teams have ever come was 12 wins more than a century ago, on May 23, 1914, according to Elias Sports Bureau.
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?? There were only 16 teams then, right?
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http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?date=1914-05-23

 
Doctor Detroit said:
I traded for Chris Davis about three weeks ago, big fan. :thumbup:
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I traded him for Lester, about three weeks ago. I suck. Should have shipped out Braun and his bad back/thumb/whatever ##### injury this guy is nursing now.

 
"Good said:
This doesn't seem like it's true.
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First time home teams went 15-0 on the same day. Ever. First time in over a century that all the home teams won when every NL and AL team played on the same day.

There's been lots of times when all the home teams won on the same day - many Mondays and Thursdays when most of the league has the day off.

Home teams went 11-0 once in 1989. 22 of the 26 teams in MLB played that day.

Home teams went 8-0 once in 2008. Again, many idle teams.

Road teams went 7-0 one day a couple years ago.

15-0 for the home teams is a long shot. 15 -150 favorites all cashing in the same day is 1 in 2127 and change, and there's no way all 15 home teams were favored that heavily. 15 coin flips in a row coming up heads is 1 in 32768.

 
When you have a <0.5% of your team making the playoffs, and your nickname is 'Big Game' shouldn't you do better than 5ER vs the Reds?

 
There's some guy who has some crazy net contraption that he throws in the bay to try and retrieve HR balls at AT&T. Seems like pretty worthy competition for the kayak dudes.

These are the worst people in baseball.

 
After 2,

Vince Carter with 4, McGrady and Antonio Davis 3 points each. Chris Mullin replied with a bucket.

(I know you guys usually do football players but that's unrealistic given how many runs Toronto is going to put up before this one is over)

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
"Good said:
This doesn't seem like it's true.
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First time home teams went 15-0 on the same day. Ever. First time in over a century that all the home teams won when every NL and AL team played on the same day.

There's been lots of times when all the home teams won on the same day - many Mondays and Thursdays when most of the league has the day off.

Home teams went 11-0 once in 1989. 22 of the 26 teams in MLB played that day.

Home teams went 8-0 once in 2008. Again, many idle teams.

Road teams went 7-0 one day a couple years ago.

15-0 for the home teams is a long shot. 15 -150 favorites all cashing in the same day is 1 in 2127 and change, and there's no way all 15 home teams were favored that heavily. 15 coin flips in a row coming up heads is 1 in 32768.
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speaking of which, some guy from Ireland bet a $78 parlay on a 15 team teaser and won over $100k last night
 
7983 days since the Blue Jays were in first place this late in the season. I'm not making that up. Keep that in mind when I'm an unbearable pr1ck for the next couple months.

 
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Royals take 4-2 lead into 8th with best bullpen in baseball, nice and rested after Cueto going the distance two nights ago and Ventura going 8 last night.

Naah, stick with Volquez because he hasn't thrown 90 pitches.

Single, walk, single, double. Boom. Yosted.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
Capella said:
Northern Voice said:
7983 days since the Blue Jays were in first place this late in the season. I'm not making that up. Keep that in mind when I'm an unbearable pr1ck for the next couple months.
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The Leafs suck too
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Last time the Leafs won the cup, Fran Drescher hadn't had her first period.
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I hope it stays that way forever. I can't stand the Leafs or their fans.

Hockey sucks anyways. why are people talking about it in a baseball thread?

 
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