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2015 NBA Thread: I felt a great disturbance in the trolls, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. (3 Viewers)

I think the only way he was gonna jump ship is if this season was just a complete tire-fire. Out in 7 to GS in the WCF is good enough for him to come back I think.

I think it's OKC then a biiiiiiig gap, then Miami and San Antonio, then another pretty big gap, then Golden State, and then all of the scrubby bottom-feeding teams.
Wolves in that Miami tier in my opinion.

 
I think the only way he was gonna jump ship is if this season was just a complete tire-fire. Out in 7 to GS in the WCF is good enough for him to come back I think.

I think it's OKC then a biiiiiiig gap, then Miami and San Antonio, then another pretty big gap, then Golden State, and then all of the scrubby bottom-feeding teams.
I think (hope) he comes back for one year, suffers another heartbreaking playoff failure, then leaves with Russ and the team implodes. 

 
Scorcher of my own: 

If I'm Lue, I play Love around 10-15 min a game this series, instead using James mostly at the 4. Unless they can come up with a novel way of keeping Love from getting fried in the PNR, he's going to get ruined.

 
Really looking forward to a monster finals from James. Can't think of a guy who's had more motivation going in since Jordan played in his first finals.

 
I think we will have a tough time with the Cavs.

The Blazers series seems like an eternity ago, but we had lots of trouble with Aminu at PF draining 3s and Plumlee doing nothing but rebound and pass. If CLE commits to LBJ at PF with Frye/Love at C they could give us the same problems Blazers did but with a more talented roster.

Then again Curry was out most of the series and the Dubs have just become better after slugging it out with OKC. So who knows?

Hoping for Dubs in 5, but a 7 game series wouldn't surprise me.

 
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I think we will have a tough time with the Cavs.

The Blazers series seems like an eternity ago, but we had lots of trouble with Aminu at PF draining 3s and Plumlee doing nothing but rebound and pass. If CLE commits to LBJ at PF with Frye/Love at C they could give us the same problems Blazers did but with a more talented roster.

Then again Curry was out most of the series and the Dubs have just become better after slugging it out with OKC. So who knows?

Hoping for Dubs in 5, but a 7 game series wouldn't surprise me.
I think the Cavs can present some of the same problems, to a greater degree, that POR did on offense.  Their big problem is getting gashed defensively by the high pick and shallow roll that they haven't shown signs of solving in their last five and a half meetings.  If the series is played with any kind of pace, I don't see CLE winning.

 
Kyrie is a liability as well. It's being argued that their best lineup is the same one from last year's Finals, but I don't enough to agree or not.
That's because people are stupid and have nothing to say.  Arguing that a lineup without your second and third best players, guys that are at least top 30 NBA players, is moronic.  

 
Seemed like the game changed when OKC was up 13 with the ball, and Westbrook threw up a terrible shot from 3 early in the shot clock. GSW ran with the rebound, and found Klay open for a 3 (after he was 0-7 from the field). Klay hits 3 more in a row, GSW is back in the game, and Klay has his shooting touch back, game over.

Roberson was awful offensively. The guy was scared to shoot the ball the whole game. He must have passed up 3-4 wide open three pointers, and missed 2-3 bunnies.

 
Good news for Raptors fans:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15837852/toronto-raptors-general-manager-masai-ujiri-re-signing-demar-derozan-no-1-goal

"Our No. 1 goal is to bring DeMar back here," Ujiri said Monday at his season-ending news conference. "We feel great that he wants to come back to our organization. I spoke to him [Sunday], and his eyes were still red. You could tell. He said he felt empty the next day, which was telling."
I don't think you know what 'good' means.

 
That's because people are stupid and have nothing to say.  Arguing that a lineup without your second and third best players, guys that are at least top 30 NBA players, is moronic.  
Their best playoff lineup has been LeBron + 4 bench guys. +52 per 100 possessions in 70 minutes. That is obscene. Granted, it was against some bad teams but that is still incredibly impressive.

 
My god, but Bogut is soft and unaware.

Durant gets a ridiculous amount of deference from the refs.  I get not wanting to call a foul on Jamie
Foxx, but come on.  Conversely Iquodala must have raped and pillaged the villages these refs grew up in, they really have it out for him.

 
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My god, but Bogut is soft and unaware.

Durant gets a ridiculous amount of deference from the refs.  I get not wanting to call a foul on Jamie
Foxx, but come on.  Conversely Iquodala must have raped and pillaged the villages these refs grew up in, they really have it out for him.
I think Bogut is hesitant to go strong to the rim because he doesn't want to shoot free throws.  He is robbing himself of possible and-one opportunities and settling for passive low percentage shots where he has little chance of getting the board.

 
how does Cleveland match up on the perimeter? do they have the defenders to trouble Thompson and Curry's 3 point shooting?

seemed that Roberson did a nice job on Thompson most of the night. any time he got switched off, Thompson banged home a 3. otherwise he did a good job forcing Thompson off the line, rendering him pretty pedestrian.  who does that for Cleveland? Shumpert?

(i have watched as many Cavaliers games as Warriors game this season... about 2 total when adding up all the minutes)

 
how does Cleveland match up on the perimeter? do they have the defenders to trouble Thompson and Curry's 3 point shooting?

seemed that Roberson did a nice job on Thompson most of the night. any time he got switched off, Thompson banged home a 3. otherwise he did a good job forcing Thompson off the line, rendering him pretty pedestrian.  who does that for Cleveland? Shumpert?

(i have watched as many Cavaliers games as Warriors game this season... about 2 total when adding up all the minutes)
The problem with defending GS is that your PGs have to be long or be able to stick with Curry.  They will run their offense through the low post with Barnes/Klay/Iggy against your PG all day.  I don't know how Kyrie stays on the floor defensively.

 
Has "hero ball" jumped the shark yet?
it's a weird one.  when Westbrook and Durant are taking over the game because they have no other offensive options it's "hero ball".  when Curry and Thompson are heaving 40 threes a game, from any position, at any time with any number of seconds on the clock it's just good basketball.

difference is whether or not the shots go in, i guess

shame OKC didn't have a 3rd offensive weapon in their starting lineup. or... really anywhere on their team. Kanter, maybe? 

 
That's because people are stupid and have nothing to say.  Arguing that a lineup without your second and third best players, guys that are at least top 30 NBA players, is moronic.  
A lineup, in some cases, is more than the sum of its parts. Irving's talents are considerable, but he's not a good natural fit for Love/James. He slows down the ball movement those other two can create, and he is not a good 3 point shooter to take advantage of James driving and kicking. And he also pretty clearly needs to be hidden on defense.

 
My god, but Bogut is soft and unaware.

Durant gets a ridiculous amount of deference from the refs.  I get not wanting to call a foul on Jamie
Foxx, but come on.  Conversely Iquodala must have raped and pillaged the villages these refs grew up in, they really have it out for him.
I noticed that as well. It sure seemed like Durant had a hand on every player he was guarding. They showed a replay of some drives by Curry and Iguodala and Durant grabbed their arms every single time and never got called for a foul. Other OKC players got fouls called, but it sure seemed like Durant got away with a ton of contact.

 
A lineup, in some cases, is more than the sum of its parts. Irving's talents are considerable, but he's not a good natural fit for Love/James. He slows down the ball movement those other two can create, and he is not a good 3 point shooter to take advantage of James driving and kicking. And he also pretty clearly needs to be hidden on defense.
That's debatable though.  Yes he shot the 3 badly this year, but was .400% last year and is .450% for the past two playoff years when the offense resorts to more of this type of action.  I know the point your making (he'd rather have the ball in his hands than catching off of something from LeBron), but he's shown he can knock down shots when open.

The defense still sucks though. 

 
Kyrie better come to play D or they don't have much of a chance. I shudder to think what Kevin Love will do in PnR and the game isn't until Thursday.

Warriors in 3, am I right JoeT?

 
it's a weird one.  when Westbrook and Durant are taking over the game because they have no other offensive options it's "hero ball".  when Curry and Thompson are heaving 40 threes a game, from any position, at any time with any number of seconds on the clock it's just good basketball.

difference is whether or not the shots go in, i guess

shame OKC didn't have a 3rd offensive weapon in their starting lineup. or... really anywhere on their team. Kanter, maybe? 
Kanter is definitely an option but blows on defense like really bad. When they involve Adams, they are way way better on offense. Luckily they forget that when it gets tight and Donovan had him on the bench at the end for reasons I'm not sure of. 

 
it's a weird one.  when Westbrook and Durant are taking over the game because they have no other offensive options it's "hero ball".  when Curry and Thompson are heaving 40 threes a game, from any position, at any time with any number of seconds on the clock it's just good basketball.

difference is whether or not the shots go in, i guess

shame OKC didn't have a 3rd offensive weapon in their starting lineup. or... really anywhere on their team. Kanter, maybe? 
Getting good shots in the flow of the offensive set does not equal ISO plays with four guys standing around watching.  I believe the TNT guys talked earlier in the post season about OKC leading all post season teams in possessions without a pass.  That's hero ball.  Klay curling around a screen and putting up a three over a closing out defender is not hero ball.  Durant continuing to chuck when his shot isn't falling is hero ball, Steph putting up deep threes when he's feeling it isn't in my book (and this does fall into the "the difference is whether or not the shot goes in).

 
More dirty plays in the finals: Delly or **** Kicker
There was a time in the NBA were jamming your forearm or elbow into the throat of a defender on a drive was considered dirty, and a foul.  LeBron does this on every single drive. He clears the defender off of him with brutal forearms.  I don't get why it is not both dirty and a foul.  If it was considered dirty he would rule the roost as dirtiest player.  Since that is off the board I am going to go with Green, though I can certainly see the love for Dellavedova, he is capable of taking a cheap shot at Curry at nearly any moment. 

 
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Draymond vs Delly scraps will happen at some point....possibly multiple times.

I think Lue should start Delly just to get Draymond his next flagrant 1 or 2 more T's.
Green lacks the emotional control, IMO, to survive the series. I hope I am wrong.  I do know this, Love's shoulder will not hold up under the same take down used last night on Stevens.  If we see that move again, though, I believe that will be enough of a pattern to get him tossed, though technically it takes three data points to establish a pattern.

 
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Kanter is definitely an option but blows on defense like really bad. When they involve Adams, they are way way better on offense. Luckily they forget that when it gets tight and Donovan had him on the bench at the end for reasons I'm not sure of. 
Adams absence was mysterious indeed. he's got a fairly decent touch around the basket, Golden State looked like children rebounding against their dad when he was out there and he's the only player (outside Westbrook) they have who isn't afraid to be physical.

 
Getting good shots in the flow of the offensive set does not equal ISO plays with four guys standing around watching.  I believe the TNT guys talked earlier in the post season about OKC leading all post season teams in possessions without a pass.  That's hero ball.  Klay curling around a screen and putting up a three over a closing out defender is not hero ball.  Durant continuing to chuck when his shot isn't falling is hero ball, Steph putting up deep threes when he's feeling it isn't in my book (and this does fall into the "the difference is whether or not the shot goes in).
while i agree that OKC looked stagnant at times with Westbrook (particularly) monopolizing the ball and taking a bad shot, Curry does plenty of that.  he just happens to have an insane amount of skill and luck so those shots go down.

there were at least 3 or 4 times last night when he went (gb Johnny Mac #BANGO) tricky dribble unnecessarily and chucked up a wild shot that went down. 

Klay also had his fair share of catching one pass and chucking a 3. 

Durant and Westbrook are the only 2 scoring options the Thunder have. there are going to be times where they come down, don't pass and take a shot. i think they've both earned that right. just can't happen 50% of the game.

the two teams both wound up with 20 assists last night. Westbrook had 13 :shrug:

 
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Their best playoff lineup has been LeBron + 4 bench guys. +52 per 100 possessions in 70 minutes. That is obscene. Granted, it was against some bad teams but that is still incredibly impressive.
The other team usually has some backups on the floor then as well when they play that lineup.

I did find it interesting that someone in here posted last night that Cleveland doesn't have depth.

 
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