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2015 NBA Thread: I felt a great disturbance in the trolls, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. (2 Viewers)

Abraham said:
"If there is one team the can do it..."  Lol.  73 win team at home with the MVP playing.  It's going to be a struggle, but if there is one team that can do it, it might be these guys. 
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:lmao:  this coming from someone who was convinced just a few days ago that Cleveland figured out Curry and would win in six. :lmao:  

 
I said I wouldn't be surprised and it turns out I was wrong. :shrug:  Doesn't make your post any less stupid. 

"Ok guys...we are up three touchdowns with six seconds left, Tom Brady under center, Evil Genius on the sideljnes and we have the ball. But gronkowski just left the game to bang some girl he saw in the stands. It's going to be tough, but if anyone can pull this out its this group of guys."

 
johnadams said:
Not posting the whole thing, but it's nice to see your perspective.  Here's mine:
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Not posting the whole thing either :) , but I agree completely, this final has become similar to the games in the early 2000s. 

The off the ball stuff is destroying any flow to the game..it is pretty clear the Cavs know they cannot stay with the Warriors quickness and cutting so they grab guys constantly.  Back door cuts that were there during season are not happening because the defenders just grab the players and the screens on the ball are over the top.  Especially in game 3 when Kyrie went off.  Look at the 1st qtr of that game and Kyrie got three different wide open off the dribble 3 ptrs because his screener grabbed around the body his defender and just walked him into Kyrie's defender.  The thing that made these plays so over the top was in each case Kyrie's teammate just kept pushing both defender for 4-6 more feet. So the Warriors toughen up in game 4 and give ### for tat and it just becomes brawl ball.

 
AAABatteries said:
On a flight to Houston this morning and Coach D'Antoni and his wife are on the flight.  My son is a huge Rockets fan so I went up and talked to them and asked for an autograph.  Couldn't have been nicer to some stranger bothering them at 6am. I wanted to leave them alone but his wife kept talking to me.  Really nice of them and he wrote a cool note to my son.  

I wanted to say too bad you have a team with some knuckleheads but instead just told him good luck in their upcoming season.
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Weird coincidence - I think he's in my hotel. I really thought I saw him but wasn't sure enough to run across the lobby as he got on an elevator lol. I'm right next to the Toyota Center. Hoping I run into him organically lol. 

 
Ksquared said:
Not posting the whole thing either :) , but I agree completely, this final has become similar to the games in the early 2000s. 

The off the ball stuff is destroying any flow to the game..it is pretty clear the Cavs know they cannot stay with the Warriors quickness and cutting so they grab guys constantly.  Back door cuts that were there during season are not happening because the defenders just grab the players and the screens on the ball are over the top.  Especially in game 3 when Kyrie went off.  Look at the 1st qtr of that game and Kyrie got three different wide open off the dribble 3 ptrs because his screener grabbed around the body his defender and just walked him into Kyrie's defender.  The thing that made these plays so over the top was in each case Kyrie's teammate just kept pushing both defender for 4-6 more feet. So the Warriors toughen up in game 4 and give ### for tat and it just becomes brawl ball.
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Warriors didn't give a crap about game 3.  

 
johnadams said:
Not posting the whole thing, but it's nice to see your perspective.  Here's mine:

To me, this is about the refs as much as anything and I'm very disappointed that there is so much banter between the teams.  Lebron took Green down.  But he was very frustrated at the level of no-calls.  Usually, I can't stand Van Gundy, but he rightly said, before this point, that it wasn't just refs allowing them to play, the refs weren't calling fouls that they should be.  This was both ways as the Curry grabbing was even more out of hand than usual, but James was getting hammered by body fouls almost every time he went to the basket (sure, he had a few of his trademark elbow smashes, but overall, he wasn't getting any calls that he should have gotten either).  The refs allowed the game to get to the point where players are going to take things into their own hands.  I've played in games like this in the past where the refs let a lot go and eventually (and seemingly inevitably) something extra curricular happens.  In Game 4, James lost it first and took down Green who was all over him on several occasions.  Not defending James, but I understand his frustration.  To me, it looks like Green is trying to get James off him which resulted in a sackbrush and rightly called James out for his bush league behavior.  The double foul was appropriate.

As to the flagrant 1, I'm a Green fan, but you just can't have appendages flailing at opposing nethers, intentional or not, with any frequency.  League had to give him a flagrant.  Personally, during the game, I thought James and Green should have been assessed a double technical for taunting, James for the stepover and Green for the attempt to push AFTER the sackbrush. 

Ultimately, this is avoidable with any semblance of proper officiating.  I've played, coached, and refereed at fairly high levels and watching the refs was appalling who created the environment where players feel they have to police each other rather than the referees.  Again, I don't condone what James did, but I understand. 

As to the after effects, Warriors will miss Green a lot.  But I suspect that the refs will be instructed to call a tighter game, which benefits the Warriors much more than the Cavs.  I expect to see illegal screens, off the ball holding, and body fouls a lot in the first quarter.  A cleaner game ultimately benefits shooters and Warriors have two of the best.  Green is a huge loss though.
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Ksquared said:
I am just a lurker normally, but listening to LBJ presser today and some of this threads comments I had to respond:
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You two should post in here more often.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Funny, usually when you goad an opponent into doing something stupid, you get praise for it. Apparently not when it's LeBron.
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I think most of it has to do with the fact that LBJ got so offended by Green calling him a #####, crying to the media and NBA, and then his whole "high road" comment....you know AFTER he stepped over Green.

If he steps over Green and never says a word, people would be praising his smart move. However, all the extra crap makes LBJ sound like an entitled #####.

 
No. 16 said:
I think most of it has to do with the fact that LBJ got so offended by Green calling him a #####, crying to the media and NBA, and then his whole "high road" comment....you know AFTER he stepped over Green.

If he steps over Green and never says a word, people would be praising his smart move. However, all the extra crap makes LBJ sound like an entitled #####.
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Interesting.  My view of the story is that Lebron isn't talking about it but Klay Thompson and Ezelli, who weren't part of what happened, have plenty to say.  

 
No. 16 said:
I think most of it has to do with the fact that LBJ got so offended by Green calling him a #####, crying to the media and NBA, and then his whole "high road" comment....you know AFTER he stepped over Green.

If he steps over Green and never says a word, people would be praising his smart move. However, all the extra crap makes LBJ sound like an entitled #####.
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Pretty sure the Warriors players brought it up and LeBron was responding, no?

Don't get me wrong, LeBron is a whiny flopper, but I don't see how he is in the wrong here.

 
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Abraham said:
Interesting.  My view of the story is that Lebron isn't talking about it but Klay Thompson and Ezelli, who weren't part of what happened, have plenty to say.  
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Lebron is talking about it. I heard a clip of him reacting to Thompson's comments, and he went on about how hard it is to take the high road, how he's been doing it for 13 years, how he has 3 kids (not sure what that has to do with anything), but he's going to take the high road again, etc. With a bunch of fake laughing thrown in. He comes across as a disingenuous, whiny tool. And, while I'm not a big Lebron fan, I am rooting for the Cavs in this series.

As others have said, if he just did it and didn't subsequently whine about it, it would have been fine. I can't stand Kobe, but Lebron sure could use a dose of Kobe's attitude. He needs to just man the #### up and play like we know he is capable, without a bunch of whining and complaining and #####ing.

Green absolutely deserved to be suspended. Heck, I thought he should have been suspended after kicking Adams. So that isn't the issue IMO.

Lebron is doing harm to his legacy at this point. He is not in the top tier or two of all-time NBA players, depending on one's definition, and it doesn't appear he will ever get there. He has a long way to go before he should ever be mentioned in a GOAT conversation again. It seems he will really come to regret the day he and Wade and Bosh did the whole "not 4, not 5, etc." BS, if he doesn't already.

 
I liked the WWJD thought posted earlier.

I can't imagine Jordan's response being anywhere near what Lebron's has been to being called a biitch or mocked for getting his feelings hurt. 

Granted...not everyone is Jordan...but think for a second if this happened back in the 80's with Jordan or Bird or damn near anyone, really?

The simple response would be, "OK, alright...we'll see tomorrow night!"

And Charles Oakley or someone would've slapped the girl right out of Klay before the game started...on the way to watching Jordan punkstamp your whole team.

But whining about it to everyone would never be the response and I don't think the retort would be,  "I have kids...I'm a man" either.

Bird would've pointed to the spots on the floor that he would take your manhood in front of God and country...before he did it...and probably with one hand just to punk you even more.

 
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tdoss said:
I liked the WWJD thought posted earlier.

I can't imagine Jordan's response being anywhere near what Lebron's has been to being called a biitch or mocked for getting his feelings hurt. 

Granted...not everyone is Jordan...but think for a second if this happened back in the 80's with Jordan or Bird or damn near anyone, really?

The simple response would be, "OK, alright...we'll see tomorrow night!"

And Charles Oakley or someone would've slapped the girl right out of Klay before the game started...on the way to watching Jordan punkstamp your whole team.

But whining about it to everyone would never be the response and I don't think the retort would be,  "I have kids...I'm a man" either.

Bird would've pointed to the spots on the floor that he would take your manhood in front of God and country...before he did it...and probably with one hand just to punk you even more.
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You have a really overactive imagination about what the 80s NBA was like. 

 
Everything is so easy for James right now.  He's actually taking jumpers, but I think GS is giving him more space too since Green isn't there to help the drive.

 
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