***2015 San Diego Chargers - Offseason News, Notes, & Analysis*** (1 Viewer)

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Addressed a glaring need.

Vince Wilfork: 2 NFL Championships

LaDainian Tomlinson: 0 NFL Championships

If only it was that simple

 

[BoltBacker]

Addressed a glaring need.

Vince Wilfork: 2 NFL Championships

LaDainian Tomlinson: 0 NFL Championships

If only it was that simple

... and if only part-time running back was their only glaring need.

 

[BoltBacker]

Serious question since you are so negative but did you watch any Badgers games last year? I'm a season ticket holder and have been a Badger fan since the late 80s. Gordon is the best Badger I've seen play in person...not close really.

Wait... better than Ron Dayne?!

I'm not anti-Badger by any means. I would have been much, much happier if they would have traded down and drafted Rob Havenstein in the middle of the draft.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

I want to be excited for the pick. But it's frustrating to see a 1st rounder, plus concessions, going for a committee player. The could have stayed where they were and taken an OL or DL guy and then looked for Ajayi later to be a committee back. I hope I'm wrong and Gordon is LT2 reborn but the game just isn't about a lone rusher anymore.

 

[Gr00vus]

Addressed a glaring need.

Vince Wilfork: 2 NFL Championships

LaDainian Tomlinson: 0 NFL Championships

If only it was that simple

The Pats have been to 6 Super Bowls over the last 15 years. How many RBs have they taken in the 1st round over that span, let alone shedded draft picks to obtain? Here's a hint, it's a nice round number with a hole in the middle of it, and is the same number as the number of Super Bowls the Chargers have played in over that same time span.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Addressed a glaring need.

Vince Wilfork: 2 NFL Championships

LaDainian Tomlinson: 0 NFL Championships

If only it was that simple

The Pats have been to 6 Super Bowls over the last 15 years. How many RBs have they taken in the 1st round over that span, let alone shedded draft picks to obtain? Here's a hint, it's a nice round number with a hole in the middle of it, and is the same number as the number of Super Bowls the Chargers have played in over that same time span.

And here I thought Bill Belichick and Tom Brady were the biggest reasons NE has been so successful. Apparently RBBC has been the key all along.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Addressed a glaring need.

Vince Wilfork: 2 NFL Championships

LaDainian Tomlinson: 0 NFL Championships

If only it was that simple

The Pats have been to 6 Super Bowls over the last 15 years. How many RBs have they taken in the 1st round over that span, let alone shedded draft picks to obtain? Here's a hint, it's a nice round number with a hole in the middle of it, and is the same number as the number of Super Bowls the Chargers have played in over that same time span.

they took kool-aid larry in the 1st in '06

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Bitterness abounds. Sheesh

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Addressed a glaring need.

Vince Wilfork: 2 NFL Championships

LaDainian Tomlinson: 0 NFL Championships

If only it was that simple

The Pats have been to 6 Super Bowls over the last 15 years. How many RBs have they taken in the 1st round over that span, let alone shedded draft picks to obtain? Here's a hint, it's a nice round number with a hole in the middle of it, and is the same number as the number of Super Bowls the Chargers have played in over that same time span.

And here I thought Bill Belichick and Tom Brady were the biggest reasons NE has been so successful. Apparently RBBC has been the key all along.

Yeah qb play and coachin have way more to do with superbowlz than anything else.

Nepats kinda bought that one too. Loaded up w revis n browner to matchup v peyton n luck. Got a little lucky that pete carroll didnt. HAND OFF TO HIS STUD RB AT THE GOALLINE. Who was a first rounder when he came in the league

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

gordon is a beast

what's the current state of the line, or do we need to wait 'til saturday pm?

franklin LG and fluker RT?

is watt your C --- how do you like him?

edit: did ohrnberger start ahead of him because he was needed at RG or because he sux?

 

[Gr00vus]

Addressed a glaring need.

Vince Wilfork: 2 NFL Championships

LaDainian Tomlinson: 0 NFL Championships

If only it was that simple

The Pats have been to 6 Super Bowls over the last 15 years. How many RBs have they taken in the 1st round over that span, let alone shedded draft picks to obtain? Here's a hint, it's a nice round number with a hole in the middle of it, and is the same number as the number of Super Bowls the Chargers have played in over that same time span.

they took kool-aid larry in the 1st in '06

I totally forgot about Maroney. Bet they wish they'd have spent that pick on something else too. Thanks for helping me make my point.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

gordon is a beast

what's the current state of the line, or do we need to wait 'til saturday pm?

franklin LG and fluker RT?

is watt your C --- how do you like him?

edit: did ohrnberger start ahead of him because he was needed at RG or because he sux?

Has holes

 

[grateful zed]

Gave up a lot.

i have a feeling they had to outbid another team trying to move up

yep, this is most likely explaination.

 

[Gr00vus]

gordon is a beast

what's the current state of the line, or do we need to wait 'til saturday pm?

franklin LG and fluker RT?

is watt your C --- how do you like him?

Watt is probably garbage. It was one of the worst run blocking lines in the league last year. They may have a shot improving all the way up to below average (at best) this year. But I'm not planning on it.

 

[grateful zed]

Addressed a glaring need.

Vince Wilfork: 2 NFL Championships

LaDainian Tomlinson: 0 NFL Championships

If only it was that simple

The Pats have been to 6 Super Bowls over the last 15 years. How many RBs have they taken in the 1st round over that span, let alone shedded draft picks to obtain? Here's a hint, it's a nice round number with a hole in the middle of it, and is the same number as the number of Super Bowls the Chargers have played in over that same time span.

zero?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Addressed a glaring need.

Vince Wilfork: 2 NFL Championships

LaDainian Tomlinson: 0 NFL Championships

If only it was that simple

The Pats have been to 6 Super Bowls over the last 15 years. How many RBs have they taken in the 1st round over that span, let alone shedded draft picks to obtain? Here's a hint, it's a nice round number with a hole in the middle of it, and is the same number as the number of Super Bowls the Chargers have played in over that same time span.

they took kool-aid larry in the 1st in '06

I totally forgot about Maroney. Bet they wish they'd have spent that pick on something else too. Thanks for helping me make my point.

In that time span they drafted a RB in the 1st round, two in the second round, and two in the 3rd round, and also spent big FA money on Corey Dillon. So yeah, probably best to just go ahead and admit that was a bad example rather than trying to stubbornly stick to it.

But hey, since everyone should just copy NE maybe we should note that they drafted zero 1st round QBs in that span and multiple 1st round TEs.

What are these teams doing taking guys like Luck and Rodgers in round 1? Just draft an all-time great QB I the 6th round and you're set people. It's so easy.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Chargers going to take a shot at Gregory here?

 

[BoltBacker]

Clemmings

 

[BoltBacker]

Or Fisher

 

[BoltBacker]

Or Phillips

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Perryman. Now that is a home run pick!

 

[BoltBacker]

I wish they would have pulled off that PHI trade just now.

 

[BoltBacker]

So is Telescoe admitting the Butler contract was a huge mistake or the T'eo trade up was a huge mistake?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Butler is not good. Perryman will start over him from day one.

 

[BoltBacker]

How much is Telesco paying Butler?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

"When Ted Thompson/Highsmith in GB love a player, it's a good sign. And they loved Denzel Perryman, as many in league did." -- Peter King

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

You guys piss all over every pick?? Lb was a need. Dline a need. Oline a need..

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

It's interesting that over the last few years, as the NFL has become more of a passing league, the two positions that have been especially devalued have been RB and run-stuffing ILB. And those have been the Chargers' first two picks.

Contrarianism is good in this league, right?

 

[tommyGunZ]

Love the Perryman pick. Leadership and toughness along with his incredible productivity will be a huge upgrade.

 

[BoltBacker]

You guys piss all over every pick?? Lb was a need. Dline a need. Oline a need..

I always say it's the sign of a gm having great offseasons when almost every position is a need.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Perryman's top ten hits.

 

[BoltBacker]

Is Perryman even going to be a three down player or is this the second part time player Telesco has chosen?

 

[Bucky86]

So is he a Butler replacement?

 

[tommyGunZ]

Meh, who needs game changing physical hits when we could have traded down for multiple 5th rounders in 2019!!!!

 

[Pipes]

Serious question since you are so negative but did you watch any Badgers games last year? I'm a season ticket holder and have been a Badger fan since the late 80s. Gordon is the best Badger I've seen play in person...not close really.

Wait... better than Ron Dayne?!I'm not anti-Badger by any means. I would have been much, much happier if they would have traded down and drafted Rob Havenstein in the middle of the draft.

Way better. Dayne was a compiler. Great for the program but nowhere near the talent of Gordon.

 

[Tau837]

Does Telesco think the Chargers don't need a NT? I am baffled that he has not addressed that position in either free agency or the draft. It has been a need since before he took over as GM, and he has yet to address it effectively.

IMO Jordan Phillips was the pick in the second round, and they passed on him.

I don't doubt that Perryman will be an upgrade on Butler, but that is a low bar. Butler has been the worst LB in the NFL since Telesco gave him the big contract. That said, hopefully Perryman will be a good player for the Chargers. He has solid potential as an early down defender. I just wish they had used one of their first two picks on a player who could be an any/every down player on defense.

I am surprised that Telesco addressed ILB before NT, DE, or OLB. Despite Butler, ILB was the front 7 position in least need of attention, since Teo seems to be solid and Conner seems to be a solid run defender. Plus, addressing DL, especially NT, would have a cascading effect on the rest of the defense, and especially the ILBs. Butler is going to eat up $5.5M on the 2015 cap, and, even if he is then cut, the Chargers will have to eat almost $7M in dead cap space in 2016.

 

[Tau837]

Is Perryman even going to be a three down player or is this the second part time player Telesco has chosen?

Early down player only. From his NFL draft profile:

STRENGTHS Burly, stout, old-school linebacker build. Wants to hit and brings his pads with him when he delivers a blow. Delivers a jarring punch into oncoming offensive linemen on second level. Defends his area of turf and sees past blockers, keeping his eye trained on the play. Is able to disengage and shed blockers. Plays low and with leverage. Once he diagnoses, can trigger into gaps and disrupt. Expected to be productive special-teams player at the next level.

WEAKNESSES Not a twitchy athlete. Takes time to gear up after changing directions and can struggle to tackle jitterbug runners in space. Heavy-legged mover in space and struggles to make plays outside of his assigned area. Lacks coverage traits and is a liability in man coverage. Short levers won't allow him to leverage blockers as a pass rusher. Slow to get off his spot and burst laterally, which causes him to miss some tackle opportunities.

DRAFT PROJECTION Round 2 or 3

SOURCES TELL US

"He's physical and plays angry at the point of attack. He's the type of guy you like having on your team because he brings toughness to practice. He's going to lay the wood to ball carriers when he gets a chance but college teams were already finding ways to go after him in the passing game." -- AFC East regional scout

"I have a little higher grade on Perryman than I probably should, but we like thumpers and badasses inside and he's both." -- AFC director of scouting

NFL COMPARISON D'Qwell Jackson

BOTTOM LINE

Early down linebacker who can make plays against the run but will struggle if isolated in coverage. Perryman is a lunch-pail worker who enjoys the physical part of the game. Can be a highly productive NFL player but ceiling looks to be limited.

The bolded underlined text is my emphasis but shows he likely will not play on passing downs.

 

[Tau837]

Right, because posters in here were advocating that. Try to keep up.

 

[BoltBacker]

I don't doubt that Perryman will be an upgrade on Butler, but that is a low bar. Butler has been the worst LB in the NFL since Telesco gave him the big contract.

You sound confused. Signing Butler to a high priced extension was part of the great offseason Telesco had in the recent past. Replacing Butler with Perryman because Butler is a stiff is part of the great offseason Telesco is currently having. I hope this clears up your confusion.

 

[Tau837]

I don't doubt that Perryman will be an upgrade on Butler, but that is a low bar. Butler has been the worst LB in the NFL since Telesco gave him the big contract.

You sound confused. Signing Butler to a high priced extension was part of the great offseason Telesco had in the recent past. Replacing Butler with Perryman because Butler is a stiff is part of the great offseason Telesco is currently having. I hope this clears up your confusion.

As you know, I am not confused. I have not accused Telesco of having any great offseasons so far. I think he has done some good things for sure, but I think he has also made a number of bad decisions. I think the jury is very much out on his performance as Chargers GM. And IMO he is not improving it with this draft.

 

[BoltBacker]

I don't doubt that Perryman will be an upgrade on Butler, but that is a low bar. Butler has been the worst LB in the NFL since Telesco gave him the big contract.

You sound confused. Signing Butler to a high priced extension was part of the great offseason Telesco had in the recent past. Replacing Butler with Perryman because Butler is a stiff is part of the great offseason Telesco is currently having. I hope this clears up your confusion.

As you know, I am not confused. I have not accused Telesco of having any great offseasons so far. I think he has done some good things for sure, but I think he has also made a number of bad decisions. I think the jury is very much out on his performance as Chargers GM. And IMO he is not improving it with this draft.

I am on your side. Did you notice who got selected with the Eagles pick they traded out of at 52?

 

[Tau837]

I don't doubt that Perryman will be an upgrade on Butler, but that is a low bar. Butler has been the worst LB in the NFL since Telesco gave him the big contract.

You sound confused. Signing Butler to a high priced extension was part of the great offseason Telesco had in the recent past. Replacing Butler with Perryman because Butler is a stiff is part of the great offseason Telesco is currently having. I hope this clears up your confusion.

As you know, I am not confused. I have not accused Telesco of having any great offseasons so far. I think he has done some good things for sure, but I think he has also made a number of bad decisions. I think the jury is very much out on his performance as Chargers GM. And IMO he is not improving it with this draft.

I am on your side. Did you notice who got selected with the Eagles pick they traded out of at 52?

I know we're on the same side. Yes, I noticed.

 

[BoltBacker]

Remember all the "experts" predicting a run on RB in the second round??????

Where are all the people that said RB is not a devalued position? Can't wait to see who would have been available in the fourth round.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Is Perryman even going to be a three down player or is this the second part time player Telesco has chosen?

He'll be a two-down guy, which could conceivably keep him out of the Hall of Fame, but it won't stop him from making a big impact (literally) when he's on the field.

 

[BoltBacker]

Is Perryman even going to be a three down player or is this the second part time player Telesco has chosen?

He'll be a two-down guy, which could conceivably keep him out of the Hall of Fame, but it won't stop him from making a big impact (literally) when he's on the field.

Maybe, but at 330 Phillips might have made an even more literal impact on the field.

Honestly I just think you could sign Spikes for $1mil to be a 2-down run stuffer and he's already proven he can do it on the pro level.

 

[BoltBacker]

Tomlinson as an analyst = $

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Maybe, but at 330 Phillips might have made an even more literal impact on the field.

Not if Phillips is horrible and Perryman is awesome. I think it's silly for any of us to say that this second-rounder is better than that second-rounder on draft day. I do the "every player the Chargers draft will be an All-Pro" shtick just to balance out the opposite view (which unfortunately doesn't seem to be shtick). But it will take a few years for any of our opinions on these players to count for anything.

Honestly I just think you could sign Spikes for $1mil to be a 2-down run stuffer and he's already proven he can do it on the pro level.

Spikes would be fine as a stop-gap ILB, but he's not going to play special teams like Perryman will, and his upside and expected longevity are lower.

 

[BoltBacker]

Maybe, but at 330 Phillips might have made an even more literal impact on the field.

Not if Phillips is horrible and Perryman is awesome. I think it's silly for any of us to say that this second-rounder is better than that second-rounder on draft day. I do the "every player the Chargers draft will be an All-Pro" shtick just to balance out the opposite view (which, unfortunately, doesn't seem to be shtick). But it will take a few years for any of our opinions on these players to count for anything.

True, but I think it's fair to point out that a guy like Fisher would make a positive impact in all aspects of the offense, both runs and passes while Perryman will have an impact on run defense.

We won't be able to know whether a pick made tonight was a mistake but a pick tonight can be an admission of a mistake made a few years ago.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

You say that like admitting mistakes is a bad thing.

It's a hugely positive thing.

 

[BoltBacker]

You say that like admitting mistakes is a bad thing.

It's a hugely positive thing.

It can be. I was impressed when they moved on from Cox for instance. But when you are moving on from several moves you make in a great offseason it makes you question just hiw great an offseason that actually was.