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2016 49ers thread...please find and use the new 2017 thread (1 Viewer)
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They can't get enough of losing with that family of losers?
5Rings
Lurker
Welcome back Drummer. Gotta tell you pal, none of the folks in this thread are Balke or York fans. Don't come in with both barrels firing. They didn't do anything to support the Yorks.. I don't see any of the Webzone or Ninernews idiots here.
York's presser was so depressing. So glad I didn't buy season tickets to the new stadium. Like most of you, York has killed my passion for the Niners...but so did Joe Thomas, and we made it through that. Still don't see any hope till Jed is not involved with the team.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
How many times did York use the words "reestablish the culture" in his speech?
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
Notice when Jed talks about the organizations failures he say "we" but when he talks about the successes he say "I".
My take this franchise will continue to be a
until such time that Jed is relieved of his duties.
My take this franchise will continue to be a
until such time that Jed is relieved of his duties.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
+1Notice when Jed talks about the organizations failures he say "we" but when he talks about the successes he say "I".
My take this franchise will continue to be a
efactor
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Why would a popular HC candidate give SF the time of day without a GM in place? Don't all coaches want to work with a functional FO? Unless they want full control I guess, but who would give that to McDaniels again, for instance.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
A highly coveted HC candidate (what I meant by "popular") could presumably get the same contract somewhere else and not be immersed in a painful ####show of an organization every day until they're fired, while also having an actual shot at success in their career.Long Ball Larry said:
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Ghost of Bill Walsh
Footballguy
Sad, so sad what Jed York has done to this franchise. I don't, well I do, mind that he owns the team, fine Make your dang money and put the right footbball people in place to run the whole show. You don't need to do anything but sit back, collect your money and let the FOOTBALL People in place get this franchise, that you so blatantly f'ed up, back to the business of winning football games & championships. All we need you around for is to get your money & sign the checks. The fans want you to stay the hell away from our team you farging icehole!!!.
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Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Nick Caserio declined an interview for the GM job
efactor
Footballguy
Yeah, was hoping he would be the guy, especially after the talk of McDaniel coming over, but he seems pretty content in NE. Smart guy.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
McDaniels might take the gig if he can be HC & GM & bring in his entire hand-picked staff.
One way to look at this is "the coach that saves this once stories franchise will be a hero" so I guess that's about the only appeal.
One thing is for sure - if they don't get this GM hire right, the franchise is doomed for he next decade+ and will basically be the Cleveland Browns West.
One way to look at this is "the coach that saves this once stories franchise will be a hero" so I guess that's about the only appeal.
One thing is for sure - if they don't get this GM hire right, the franchise is doomed for he next decade+ and will basically be the Cleveland Browns West.
efactor
Footballguy
A few positives for a top coaching and GM prospects looking at the job.McDaniels might take the gig if he can be HC & GM & bring in his entire hand-picked staff.
One way to look at this is "the coach that saves this once stories franchise will be a hero" so I guess that's about the only appeal.
One thing is for sure - if they don't get this GM hire right, the franchise is doomed for he next decade+ and will basically be the Cleveland Browns West.
-Clean slate from the standpoint of you can bring in your own QB, no bad dead contracts and a lot of cap space.
- #2 pick in draft. Chance to draft your QB if you think one is a franchise type guy or trade down to stockpile picks
-Roster isn't void of talent. Think Buckner will be a star and Armstead could be good if he gets healthy. Some good DBs to build around (like Robinson a lot) LBs are a mess but hopefully Bowman and Lynch comes back healthy, which will help. Offense is a mess other than Hyde as far as skill position players. O-line has some young talent.
-As one of the most profitable franchises, they have the money to spend to attract coaching and front office talent.
Why on earth would anybody give McDaniels GM control after his Denver experience? Ugh.McDaniels might take the gig if he can be HC & GM & bring in his entire hand-picked staff.
One way to look at this is "the coach that saves this once stories franchise will be a hero" so I guess that's about the only appeal.
One thing is for sure - if they don't get this GM hire right, the franchise is doomed for he next decade+ and will basically be the Cleveland Browns West.
I think it's pretty void of talent. Hyde might be slightly above average. They have an average OL and secondary. 1 blue chip defensive lineman in Buckner, who knows how good Armstead will be. Otherwise there is 0 above-replacement level talent on the roster.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hyde is way above average. It he has to stay healthy for 16 games or he's just another Kevan Barlow.
That's part of why I don't consider him to be elite and with his running style I don't think he'll ever have a great full season.
drummer
Footballguy
Hey look! I told you he never left! The guy is pretty much well known in the league as a front office cancer and has undermined every head coach being "The Rat" in the building. Brining him along to help in interviews? Of course franchises will advise key personnel to stay away from Santa Clara. Jed bringing along his hatchet man - who they had to move to another office down the road - is a pretty clear reason why:
http://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2017/01/07/report-patriots-nick-caserio-advised-to-steer-clear-of-49ers-gm-job/
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efactor
Footballguy
Potential star at position of need. Good call. Extra 1st rounder would be useful.Alabama LB Ruben Foster looks so much like Patrick Willis tonight....makes me sad. Hell take this kid at #2! Ok ok trade down to 8 and get him
GM position is still open. Interested?
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Why did Seattle give Carroll full control when he never even had it before?
You'd have to hope he's learned from his previous experience. He's still just 40 years old.
Sure, he COULD be better now, but why take the risk on someone who flamed out in that role before? And I don't know what Seattle's history with Carroll is, but they have a really good GM.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
You're taking that chance with almost anyone in the league. If its a new candidate you're obviously taking a chance and if its a retread he probably failed at his previous stop. Carroll is the Vice President of player personnel, he basically is the GM. McDaniels was 32 when he went to Denver 8 years ago. I think you have to think/hope he learned from his experience and a lot of that would come out in the interview.
Schneider is the GM for the Seahawks and he's really good. Whether Carroll does or does not technically answer to him is semantics, and it's not really a relevant point of comparison unless McDaniels is taking an all star GM with him, and Caserio has already refused to interview.
Otherwise, McDaniels has done nothing to show that he's developed any player personnel skills in the last 8 years, and his only positive resume point remains riding Brady's and Belichek's coat tails. I'm fine with him as a HC candidate if he has a strong GM/DC support staff but just giving him the keys to the franchise would be a very York-ish thing to do.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
How would you or I know whether or not he's developed any player personnel skills? Its more of a rhetorical question. I don't see how anyone can make that statement unless they work closely with him. I'm just giving the benefit of the doubt that he's improved in probably many areas from ages 32 to 40. Seattle took the chance of giving full control and it seems to have played out pretty well for them. Atlanta did the same with Quinn I believe too and they've done well. Sometimes you have to take that chance.thecatch said:
McDaniels has been an OC for the last several years, how much control over the total Patriots roster do you think he has had in that period? And you keep citing teams with strong and well thought of GMs as examples of great HC/GM combos for some reason which is not clear to me.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
No one can fully surmise how much an OC does or what his true impact is on any team. However, McDaniels can put on his resume that the Patriots point total went from 385 in 2006 to 589 in 2007 under his watch. To put that into perspective, the NE point differential in 2007 (+315 points) was more than 11 teams total points scored on the season. The offense saw a 1,200 yard boost in a season.
Who knows where people want to point to for reasons for that explosion. Bringing in Moss and Welker was the main cause. Who knows whether that had anything to do with McDaniels and how much of the game prep and play calling fell on him.
Personally, I couldn't get past the fact that he moved up into the first round to draft Tebow. That would be the Scarlett Letter for me.
Who knows where people want to point to for reasons for that explosion. Bringing in Moss and Welker was the main cause. Who knows whether that had anything to do with McDaniels and how much of the game prep and play calling fell on him.
Personally, I couldn't get past the fact that he moved up into the first round to draft Tebow. That would be the Scarlett Letter for me.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
York is the problem, nothing to really see until he somehow isn't the owner anymore.
drummer
Footballguy
People are earning next years grief by speculating about the GM and HC here, which proved my earlier point.
Umm, Marathe is involved with the search. Do yourselves a favor, and give up now. Take that 5 minutes or more and do some exercising or learn a new language. By the time the 49ers figure this all out, you can be ripped like Bruce Lee while be fluent in Italian.
It sure is better than being part of the problem.
Umm, Marathe is involved with the search. Do yourselves a favor, and give up now. Take that 5 minutes or more and do some exercising or learn a new language. By the time the 49ers figure this all out, you can be ripped like Bruce Lee while be fluent in Italian.
It sure is better than being part of the problem.
drummer
Footballguy
Meaning: who is going to make decisions with talent and acquisition.
Have fun next season kids!
http://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2017/01/16/report-49ers-job-was-there-for-josh-mcdaniels-if-he-wanted-it/
drummer
Footballguy
Well, even though reports are saying it's Shanny Jr's job to have, other reports are saying Denise and John are still interviewing HCs.The most awesome thing ever would be if they couldn't find anyone to take either job and they went into the season without a coach or GM.
They don't like it when someone bosses little snot nosed Jed around, and Marathe doesn't. He just rats out who does to Mama and Papa, while trying to force his brand of Maratheball down throats there.
You know, it seems like I posted this a few years ago lol. It never changes
farfromforgotten
Footballguy
John Lynch is our new GM.
How and the hell did this happen?
How and the hell did this happen?
farfromforgotten
Footballguy
I think this is all that's needed for the thread title.
Official 2017 SF 49ers - The hell?
Seems like either: A. Shanahan is going to have a lot of say over personnel decisions or B. York/Marathe wanted a couple of inexperienced, young pups (puppets) to pull the strings of.
You'd think Shanahan would be smart enough to not walk into situation B. He has all of the leverage here.
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efactor
Footballguy
Thought this was an interesting article, especially the last paragraph.
SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- Before agreeing to become the general manager of the San Francisco 49ers, John Lynch had some questions about the team's recent reputation for leaking information.
So Lynch decided to use his candidacy for the job to put the team to the test. Speaking to KNBR radio in San Francisco on Wednesday morning, Lynch said he asked CEO Jed York and executive Paraag Marathe to keep his name a secret during their search for a new general manager.
"I made a big deal that this stayed quiet," Lynch said. "First of all, you know what I was doing? Part of the rumors are things fly out of that building. So I wanted to see could I trust this building, you know? And so that was part of my thinking."
Through the past few years, the 49ers had become known for information seeping out, notably including many concerning quarterback Colin Kaepernick's status and most recently with the news that coach Chip Kelly and general manager Trent Baalke would be fired the night before the season finale against Seattle.
When Lynch spoke to Bay Area media via conference call on Monday, he repeatedly mentioned his desire to ask Niners leadership "tough questions." While he declined to go into specifics at the time, he did mention how important it was to him for his name not to come out publicly.
While the Niners were mostly transparent during the process of interviewing nine general manager and six head-coaching candidates, Lynch's name didn't surface until the moment he was hired.
Noting that he didn't need the job because he was happy with his job as an analyst at Fox, Lynch said he wasn't afraid to address what he called the "elephant in the room."
"I'm incredibly appreciative and fortunate in this world that things stayed quiet because what that did, it allowed me to truly assess this situation, to ask the tough questions, to just kind of get with the people that I'm going to be working with and any elephant in the room, just get rid of it and ask questions," Lynch said on Monday. "I didn't need the job. So, that gave me a great position to be able to kind of just be very forward and I asked those questions, and I'm proud of the way that happened. I'm proud of the way they responded.
"A lot of people are saying, why was it so important to be secretive? I've had people ask me that. I wanted to be able to best evaluate this situation as it developed, and I thought it would be much easier if I didn't have the world breathing down my throat."
According to Lynch, York answered every question to his satisfaction both verbally and through their actions during the interview process.
"If I was going to engage in these conversations, we can't beat around the bush," Lynch told KNBR. "We got to get right to: 'Do I want to work for these people?' I can tell you what I found, my interaction with Jed York: He's a guy that all he wants to do is win.
"He's tired of some strife and some contention in the building. He wants harmony. He wants to give us the resources. He wants to be a support mechanism, but he wants to get out of the way and let us work. And, to me, that's an awesome deal."
SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- Before agreeing to become the general manager of the San Francisco 49ers, John Lynch had some questions about the team's recent reputation for leaking information.
So Lynch decided to use his candidacy for the job to put the team to the test. Speaking to KNBR radio in San Francisco on Wednesday morning, Lynch said he asked CEO Jed York and executive Paraag Marathe to keep his name a secret during their search for a new general manager.
"I made a big deal that this stayed quiet," Lynch said. "First of all, you know what I was doing? Part of the rumors are things fly out of that building. So I wanted to see could I trust this building, you know? And so that was part of my thinking."
Through the past few years, the 49ers had become known for information seeping out, notably including many concerning quarterback Colin Kaepernick's status and most recently with the news that coach Chip Kelly and general manager Trent Baalke would be fired the night before the season finale against Seattle.
When Lynch spoke to Bay Area media via conference call on Monday, he repeatedly mentioned his desire to ask Niners leadership "tough questions." While he declined to go into specifics at the time, he did mention how important it was to him for his name not to come out publicly.
While the Niners were mostly transparent during the process of interviewing nine general manager and six head-coaching candidates, Lynch's name didn't surface until the moment he was hired.
Noting that he didn't need the job because he was happy with his job as an analyst at Fox, Lynch said he wasn't afraid to address what he called the "elephant in the room."
"I'm incredibly appreciative and fortunate in this world that things stayed quiet because what that did, it allowed me to truly assess this situation, to ask the tough questions, to just kind of get with the people that I'm going to be working with and any elephant in the room, just get rid of it and ask questions," Lynch said on Monday. "I didn't need the job. So, that gave me a great position to be able to kind of just be very forward and I asked those questions, and I'm proud of the way that happened. I'm proud of the way they responded.
"A lot of people are saying, why was it so important to be secretive? I've had people ask me that. I wanted to be able to best evaluate this situation as it developed, and I thought it would be much easier if I didn't have the world breathing down my throat."
According to Lynch, York answered every question to his satisfaction both verbally and through their actions during the interview process.
"If I was going to engage in these conversations, we can't beat around the bush," Lynch told KNBR. "We got to get right to: 'Do I want to work for these people?' I can tell you what I found, my interaction with Jed York: He's a guy that all he wants to do is win.
"He's tired of some strife and some contention in the building. He wants harmony. He wants to give us the resources. He wants to be a support mechanism, but he wants to get out of the way and let us work. And, to me, that's an awesome deal."
farfromforgotten
Footballguy
They are holding hands and singing Kumbaya right now. Jed knows he's bought himself at least a couple more years before the fans get pissy again if things are still looking bleak. If they are, then let's see how Jeddy boy reacts.
efactor
Footballguy
From what I have read, doesn't seem that Lynch is the kind to sing "Kumbaya". More the type to slap Jed upside the head if he interferes with anything. The last statement of Jed getting out of the way and letting them work is pretty strong.
Time will tell, but I am liking the hire more. Adam Peters seems a pretty solid hire for VP of player personnel. A respected guy who probably wouldn't have considered SF prior to the Lynch hiring. Will be interesting to see the additional hires coming in the front office.
farfromforgotten
Footballguy
I'll believe Jed has changed only when I see it. He knows his approval rate among the fan base is low. He needs to do some damage control right now. I'm warming up to the Lynch hire more now that Peters is on board. I think Shanahan will be a good HC. Shanahan and Lynch probably only agreed to come on board if they received long contracts and a promise that Jed would stay out of the way, since no one else wanted to be here it seems. They wield all of the power right now with the hole Jed has dug himself into. If this team is still a mess three years into this experiment I can see Jed getting back into his old habits is all I'm saying.
I hope he has changed/grown/learned from past mistakes, but I'm not holding my breath.
