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2017-18 NBA (Playoffs): A gasping, wheezing thread begs message board poster arguing how Jordan never lost a Finals to just let it die in peace (20 Viewers)
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Dedfin
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Ditkaless Wonders
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I'll be watching tomorrow night waiting to see if Lebron loses his last game as a Cavalier in Cleveland or if he delays that until they travel to Oracle. Also interested in whether Thompson can get Green to totally melt down. Also interested in how Curry and Thompson respond to their shooting woes in game three.
GroveDiesel
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If Silver had any balls, he'd initiate an investigation into this and ban the whole family if this is true.Skeletore Eh said:
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It would at least ensure that the hard cap, no salary max proposal finally gets some traction among ownership.
Lehigh98
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Insein
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Why would Silver do that? He'd have to reveal how involved he himself was. He personally picked the Colangelos to "help" save the Sixers from Hinkie.
The Cleveland Cavaliers are on the brink of elimination, down 3-0 to the Golden State Warriors in the NBA Finals. However, one veteran Cavaliers player believes the roles would be reversed if Kyrie Irving was still on the roster.
After the Cavaliers lost Game 3 on Wednesday, an unnamed player reportedly said, "We'd be up 3-0 if Kyrie was still here. I have no doubt," according to The Athletic's Jason Lloyd.
After the Cavaliers lost Game 3 on Wednesday, an unnamed player reportedly said, "We'd be up 3-0 if Kyrie was still here. I have no doubt," according to The Athletic's Jason Lloyd.
drpill
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https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250116/Kawhi-Leonard-Close-To-100-Percent-Still-Set-For-Sit-Down-With-Spurs
Summary:
Summary:
- Worked out with SA during the season
- Went to Pop's wife's services interacted with people from the Spurs organization while there
- Close to 100 percent, expected to be fully healthy for next year
- Will meet with Pop in the upcoming weeks to hash out the miscommunication that took place during the season
- Has been around at points after the season
- Spurs haven't entertained trade offers
Gr00vus
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* Wants max salaryhttps://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250116/Kawhi-Leonard-Close-To-100-Percent-Still-Set-For-Sit-Down-With-Spurs
Summary:
- Worked out with SA during the season
- Went to Pop's wife's services interacted with people from the Spurs organization while there
- Close to 100 percent, expected to be fully healthy for next year
- Will meet with Pop in the upcoming weeks to hash out the miscommunication that took place during the season
- Has been around at points after the season
- Spurs haven't entertained trade offers
drpill
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I'm cool with that if he's healthy and he and the team can put any drama behind them for good. A healthy Kawhi is worth the supermax if anyone is.
msudaisy26
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This player is so sure he chose to remain anonymous.The Cleveland Cavaliers are on the brink of elimination, down 3-0 to the Golden State Warriors in the NBA Finals. However, one veteran Cavaliers player believes the roles would be reversed if Kyrie Irving was still on the roster.
After the Cavaliers lost Game 3 on Wednesday, an unnamed player reportedly said, "We'd be up 3-0 if Kyrie was still here. I have no doubt," according to The Athletic's Jason Lloyd.
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Anarchy99
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Gr00vus
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Wasn't intended as a criticism. Leonard doesn't seem like he's making a ton of money off the court (not sure, I just don't see him in commercials etc. out here), so maybe his NBA contract is more important to him in regard to income than it is to some of the other top players in the league who are generating decent income from other sources.
I'm sure someone will be along shortly with a link to a source providing data on how much players are making off the court that will correct my assumption.
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Wu-banger
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a lot of Sixers faithful are calling for David Griffin to be brought in as GM .... and if it ensures LeBron is coming with him then I agree with it..... BUT
Looking at Griffin's track record in Cleveland ...WHAT exactly has he done to deserve such accolades ? Seems to me a lot of unispired trades and signings that leave the Cavs future after Lebron in bad, bad shape ..... and honestly could have had a better team in place to support LeBron
https://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/griffin01x.html
Looking at Griffin's track record in Cleveland ...WHAT exactly has he done to deserve such accolades ? Seems to me a lot of unispired trades and signings that leave the Cavs future after Lebron in bad, bad shape ..... and honestly could have had a better team in place to support LeBron
https://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/griffin01x.html
drpill
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It's a huge difference too -- The Spurs can pay him something like 80 million more than any other team over the lifetime of the contract. Plus it's in Texas so that's a lot of taxes he won't need to pay. Hard for anyone to turn down that kind of money, I'm sure.
TobiasFunke
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This seems like a good opportunity to bless this struggling thread with three minutes of Spurs players doing commercials for the local grocery chain.
msudaisy26
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My complete random guess on the Kawhi situation is that Kawhi was cleared by team doctors and resumed practicing and playing the 9 games he played this season.
During this time he never felt right and got a second opinion from his own doctors and was told something is wrong and he shouldn't be playing. This led to Kawhi going silent and a lack of trust in the organization.
Will he go back and reconcile if team doctors are fired? I don't know. My gut tells me he won't go back, but I have no clue what is actually happening.
During this time he never felt right and got a second opinion from his own doctors and was told something is wrong and he shouldn't be playing. This led to Kawhi going silent and a lack of trust in the organization.
Will he go back and reconcile if team doctors are fired? I don't know. My gut tells me he won't go back, but I have no clue what is actually happening.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
The NBA really owes Philly a compensatory pick for sticking them with the Colangelos.
drpill
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I think this is probably along the lines of what happened. Add that somewhere along the way Kawhi's uncle got involved and muddied the waters for all involved. Kawhi is obviously a very reserved guy, not much of a communicator, and it seems like perhaps he left things up to his uncle to the point that Popovich started making snide comments about Kawhi's "people" and the Spurs players had to hold an uncomfortable intervention to try to get a sense of what was happening. It would have been best, in retrospect, to just shut Leonard down for the season and spare everyone the drama, but I feel like both sides thought there was a real possibility he'd be on the court again before the playoffs.
I don't think the Spurs will need to fire anyone to get Kawhi back in the fold. Time and millions of dollars will heal whatever damage has been done. My main concern is how serious this injury really is, as no one seems to be able to give a straight answer on that -- is it chronic? Degenerative? The Spurs will want to be sure he's not going to be sitting out entire seasons again before they pay him the Supermax. But if this report is accurate and he's going to be 100% for next year, you have to do it.
Frostillicus
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Scoresman said:
Frostillicus
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Kawhi fits with the Wolves pretty well.
Tom Hagen
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msudaisy26
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Probably could send Wiggins and Thibs to the Spurs for Kawhi and a couple of unprotected 1sts.
Gr00vus
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Seems steep for the Wolves, couldn't it just be a slightly used Crawford jersey and Thibs?
Charlie Harper
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GOB
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Long Ball Larry
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modogg
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interesting theory. how about:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250116/Kawhi-Leonard-Close-To-100-Percent-Still-Set-For-Sit-Down-With-Spurs
Summary:
- Worked out with SA during the season
- Went to Pop's wife's services interacted with people from the Spurs organization while there
- Close to 100 percent, expected to be fully healthy for next year
- Will meet with Pop in the upcoming weeks to hash out the miscommunication that took place during the season
- Has been around at points after the season
- Spurs haven't entertained trade offers
- Kawhi doesn't play most of the year, even after a player's only meeting basically begs him to come back.
- Kawhi's camp comes out with them needing more recognition and needing to go to a bigger market. Cites NY, LA and Philly.
- Former President of player personnel, and friend to Kawhi and his team, opts to leave San Antonio and joins the Sixers. Monty WIlliams is known around the NBA as a quality guy and somebody teams want to play for.
- Brett Brown coached in San Antonio for years and is also well liked among players. he is now assuming temp. GM responsibilities for the Sixers
- As of July 2nd, Lebron James will be a 76er
- Does Kawhi really want to stay on a team that has an uncertain future, with not a ton of young talent, and a coach who may take some time off? and be forced to live in F'n Texas?
..........
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Capella
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Capella
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Even with 1 year on a deal if he tells them he won't resign? 3 future 1sts + Saric + Fultz has to at least be in the ballpark! Maybe not, I dunno. I just don't think teams are gonna shovel that much for him given his situation.
Insein
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No. It's been discussed in this thread. Kawaii is worth like 2x what Khyrie brought back apparently.
Capella
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Fultz sucks. Future firsts are worthless. 10th pick of the draft is a rotation player maybe. Saric is fine but not centerpiece. A lot of teams could beat that I would imagine.
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I just don't think we have enough to do it then. I can't see Brett trading away Ben + a LOT of other things for a guy that may leave after 1 year.
MAC_32
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Great relationship manager of big egos.
Acquiring key role players that fit for ones that no longer fit despite no available finances.
Capella
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Capella
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You’d have to get Kawhii under contract but Ben for him straight up is as good as the Spurs could do. I don’t think you’d have to add much to Ben.
Hmmm. Ya but getting him under contract would limit us from getting another max guy under contract.
I'd rather Ben+Embiid+George/LBJ over Leonard+Embiid
modogg
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in reality, any trade for Kawhi is all about his thoughts on signing the max. If Kawhi is not going to work with San Antonio if they offer him a max deal, it doesn't matter much what is offerred, etc. You think other teams would offer a ton if they can't guarantee locking in Kawhi long-term?
whole situation is strange, and we can see what happens. Comparing to the Kyrie trade when it was out that he wanted out probably effected Cleveland having to make a trade quickly. other teams may offer more, but if Kawhi wants out of San Antonio you have to think he won't agree to just any team
Insein
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Frostillicus
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Frostillicus
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Hey I had the most likes in the FFA yesterday/today. Thanks team. I couldn't have done it without you.
Capella
Footballguy
Ben for Kawhii is a huge steal for Philly. Ben has almost no chance of ever being as good as him.
(Assuming he is healthy and signs)
modogg
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and yes, that is the factor here. San Antonio can't afford to lose him in free agency and get nothing in return.
Insein
Footballguy
Disagree. Ben has ridiculous potential. Kawhi has been a great player for a couple years and may still be for a few more. But Ben has the potential to eventually be the best player in the game. I know some don't believe that but it's true.
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