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2017-18 NBA (Playoffs): A gasping, wheezing thread begs message board poster arguing how Jordan never lost a Finals to just let it die in peace (2 Viewers)

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Jayrod said:
You all want a hot take?

The problem with Durant joining the Warriors is that it was the path of least resistance.  Greatness isn't achieved by the end result, but by the struggle it took to get there.  Nobody celebrates the person who inherited their wealth, even if they are great at business.  It is the entrepreneur who came from nothing that people write books and make movies about.  Durant is a great player, maybe a top 25 all time type of player.  But his greatness will always be limited by the fact that he joined an already historically great team before winning a championship.  That is why the average fan won't celebrate Durant, but resent him.
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Wow, nobody has ever thought about that before.

 
Warriors' defense on Lebron was about as good as you can ask for. He's obviously getting certain players isolated via switches, but for the most part they've acquitted themselves well (McGee in particular looked pretty comfortable out there, and was rightly ceding the 3 to James), and the help D is set. Obviously he's incredible, but he has to attack a defense that's almost optimally set-up and waiting for him.

 
Jayrod said:
You all want a hot take?

The problem with Durant joining the Warriors is that it was the path of least resistance.  Greatness isn't achieved by the end result, but by the struggle it took to get there.  Nobody celebrates the person who inherited their wealth, even if they are great at business.  It is the entrepreneur who came from nothing that people write books and make movies about.  Durant is a great player, maybe a top 25 all time type of player.  But his greatness will always be limited by the fact that he joined an already historically great team before winning a championship.  That is why the average fan won't celebrate Durant, but resent him.
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You list interests as Jesus, but Jesus is basically the Golden State Warriors of world religions. You too are following the path of least resistance. 

 
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Capella said:
How should we end the thread this year 

finals are over, please go away 

Finals are over; Thread dissolves into millions of bats that fly away 

Finals are over; Everybody looks to sky as Thread laughs maniacally while dropping smoke bomb to disappear
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Finals are over, refs wrongly give the thread a double tech.

 
Jayrod said:
You all want a hot take?

The problem with Durant joining the Warriors is that it was the path of least resistance.  Greatness isn't achieved by the end result, but by the struggle it took to get there.  Nobody celebrates the person who inherited their wealth, even if they are great at business.  It is the entrepreneur who came from nothing that people write books and make movies about.  Durant is a great player, maybe a top 25 all time type of player.  But his greatness will always be limited by the fact that he joined an already historically great team before winning a championship.  That is why the average fan won't celebrate Durant, but resent him.
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Ever thought of a career in afternoon sports talk radio? 

 
I can't wait to get mad at free agents for signing with good teams this year. 

As a Magic fan I have some gripes and you people are going to hear about it.

 
Juxtatarot said:
Anyone want to do a mock NBA draft?  I started a thread in the basketball forum here. (Yes, a basketball forum exists.)  We did this before a handful of years ago with various posters being different teams and I thought it was fun.  I thought we'd start after the Finals are over.  We'd have plenty of time so nothing too fast or too demanding of your time.  

Please feel free to bump this post so we can drum up interest.  Nobody checks the basketball forum.
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One last bump.  We're starting when finals are over so that should be soon.  Some good teams still available like the Cavs and Warriors.  Also, let this serve as official invites:

@SWC Bucks

@General Malaise Blazers

@Frostillicus Wolves

@TobiasFunke Wizards

That's all that comes to mind immediately for posters here who are fans of open teams.

 
GOB said:
I can't wait to get mad at free agents for signing with good teams this year. 

As a Magic fan I have some gripes and you people are going to hear about it.
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Lol there was 29 other teams no one would have cared that the snake could of went to.

 
Juxtatarot said:
One last bump.  We're starting when finals are over so that should be soon.  Some good teams still available like the Cavs and Warriors.  Also, let this serve as official invites:

@SWC Bucks

@General Malaise Blazers

@Frostillicus Wolves

@TobiasFunke Wizards

That's all that comes to mind immediately for posters here who are fans of open teams.
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two rounds like the real deal sure i am in but i am really lousy about checking here sometimes im on a lot and sometimes it might be a couple o days because its fishing season thats why so im in if you can get it going and forgive me in advance for ruining it take that to the bank bromigos

 
SWC said:
two rounds like the real deal sure i am in but i am really lousy about checking here sometimes im on a lot and sometimes it might be a couple o days because its fishing season thats why so im in if you can get it going and forgive me in advance for ruining it take that to the bank bromigos
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@Juxtatarot What he said, except replace "its fishing season" with "I have three little kids and they're all ###holes"

 
tjnc09 said:
If James never leaves Cleveland, he might never have won a ring.  They would continue to win ~50 games and never have the draft capital that helped them in 2016.

Winning championships is difficult.  When Durant is 50 years old with a fistful of rings, I guarantee he won't give a #### what a bunch of Internet nerds think of him.
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you sure about that?

#quiresultan

 
Frostillicus said:
Did we know Lebron is actually left handed?
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Something somthing....Michael Jordan...something something...

modogg said:
but again, how can Lebron be blamed for that? He doesn't write the checks for Thompson. Say he goes to the GM and says "you should sign Thompson to a big contract". GM needs to have the people skills and assertiveness to let Lebron know if that isn't a good idea, and explain to him why. i think that is 90% on front office and GM, 10% on Thompson's agent
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No way.  This is a players league.  If you're Cleveland and you have a player toying with leaving, coming back, will he leave again and you desperately need him, you are forced to sign his buddies if that's what it takes to keep him. 

Ghost Rider said:
Fair or not, many will never give Durant his due as long as he only wins rings with this Warriors team. 

Similar to how many never gave James his full due till he went back to Cleveland and won a title there. 
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Some people still don't give LeBron his due.

Jayrod said:
You all want a hot take?

The problem with Durant joining the Warriors is that it was the path of least resistance.  Greatness isn't achieved by the end result, but by the struggle it took to get there.  Nobody celebrates the person who inherited their wealth, even if they are great at business.  It is the entrepreneur who came from nothing that people write books and make movies about.  Durant is a great player, maybe a top 25 all time type of player.  But his greatness will always be limited by the fact that he joined an already historically great team before winning a championship.  That is why the average fan won't celebrate Durant, but resent him.
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Yes, because no one celebrated the Lakers getting Magic coming off a 47 win season to pair with KAJ.  His reputation as a top player in NBA history never really reached the heights he deserved due to that.

 
Deamon said:
Fair, you probably are more knowledgeable on it than I am then.  (not being sarcastic)

I know Steph had an insane 26ppg season though and was the center of that offense.  Richards hadn't hit a 3 all game and had 7 points and Steph was having another big game.  I think he could have gotten it closer than the massive brick that got thrown up. 

Were you at the game too?  (Not snarky, just curious)
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sadly, no. 

Yes, Curry was the center of the offense  and obviously they don't get anywhere without him.  But Richards was a senior PG who brought leadership and poise to the team and enabled Curry to basically do whatever he wanted (whether that was handling the ball or playing off the ball), and helped the whole offense flow.  

He's also now the director of basketball operations at Pitt (though come to think of it, he probably would rather that not be publicized).

The main problem with that last play was probably more with the design.  Curry had zero room to get a shot off.  Coach McKillop didn't do them any favors though.

 
Juxtatarot said:
One last bump.  We're starting when finals are over so that should be soon.  Some good teams still available like the Cavs and Warriors.  Also, let this serve as official invites:

@SWC Bucks

@General Malaise Blazers

@Frostillicus Wolves

@TobiasFunke Wizards

That's all that comes to mind immediately for posters here who are fans of open teams.
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Would take the Sixers if Long Ball Larry or Modogg hasn't already taken them or don't want to do it.

 
I am a total Lebron fanboy but I also appreciate that Golden State is the best basketball team I've ever seen.  They do everything right.... unselfish, ball movement, incredible shooting ability, defense, well-coached, egos set aside, etc.  They are everything you want to see in a basketball team.  I don't feel the need to go online and nitpick them (Durant joining a championship team, Curry celebrating so much that he falls over people on the opposing bench) because no one is perfect (Lebron going to Miami, and his OT bench reaction).

The NBA is a very entertaining product and the playoffs have been pretty awesome the last few years.  Enjoy it!

 
Long Ball Larry said:
sadly, no. 

Yes, Curry was the center of the offense  and obviously they don't get anywhere without him.  But Richards was a senior PG who brought leadership and poise to the team and enabled Curry to basically do whatever he wanted (whether that was handling the ball or playing off the ball), and helped the whole offense flow.  

He's also now the director of basketball operations at Pitt (though come to think of it, he probably would rather that not be publicized).

The main problem with that last play was probably more with the design.  Curry had zero room to get a shot off.  Coach McKillop didn't do them any favors though.
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Nice.  Was talking to the Davidson people there a lot.  They shipped them up in bus loads there (something like half of the 2000 students at Davidson came up for it).  They were lots of fun to be around during that run.  I was a Hornets fan as a kid growing up so got to meet and take a picture with Del which was cool.  So close to pulling that game off and heading to the final four :(

 
Bobcat10 said:
Not to pick on you, it’s open to anyone, but if the Cavs suck so bad, how have they played with the Warriors for approx 11.5 quarters in the series?

Warriors still going at 10% effort? Something else? 
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i haven't said anything about the Cavaliers sucking 

i'm just incredulous that there's a world in which JR Smith gets this kind of run for any team. he's too much of a wild card to play meaningful minutes. he can get hot and score some points but he's also equally as likely to chuck up horrific shots, check out mentally and be a liability.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
@Joe Bryant or @Otis or whomever is running things, please download this entire thread on to a USB drive, attach a rock to it, take it up in a helicopter, light it on fire, and drop it in the ocean.
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ITT a poster says "wow, LeBron went for 28/10/11. heck of a game."

and 13 posters follow-up with "LEBRON IS THE WORST PLAYER IN THE NBA", "HE CAN'T CARRY A TEAM", "HE WON'T WIN ANOTHER CHAMPIONSHIP", "IF LESUCK WASN'T SO SELFISH THEN KEVIN LOVE WOULD HAVE WENT FOR 40 and 22 REBOUNDS", "SURE, LIKE CEDI OSMAN ISN'T HIS EQUAL OR BETTER"

 
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Slapdash said:
Love is the second best player on the Cavs and having a pretty good series IMO
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that's fair

JR Smith still shouldn't be the 3rd best player on your team. was pondering this on my 10-minute commute this morning. i'd be comfortable with JR Smith as my 8th player, 3rd off the bench. in spurts.

 
BassNBrew said:
Dude...yeah they won one followed by losses of 13 and 33.
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I recall games 3 and 4 being much more competitive because the Celts were obviously much better defensively without IT2 and they were not bogged down by IT2's horrible shooting efforts from games 1 and 2.  I know game 5 was a total blowout like game 2, Celts were finished.  :shrug:

 
Durant is just a great player and he has great guard play.  Last night he was so efficient in everything and never seems tired.  As James is getting older he might be better off adapting more of that style of play..where he is not handling the ball all the time and expending so much energy that as he says "He rests during games"  James would be better off somewhere like Houston and let Paul so all the PG work like Curry and Clay do for the Warriors.  James could then just concentrate just on his shot and defense.

 
mr. furley said:
that's fair

JR Smith still shouldn't be the 3rd best player on your team. was pondering this on my 10-minute commute this morning. i'd be comfortable with JR Smith as my 8th player, 3rd off the bench. in spurts.
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If they just had one of their other wings that could consistently knock down open 3s, I think it would be a different series.  When Smith and Korver can't hit shots and are so poor on defense....

 
Jayrod said:
You all want a hot take?

The problem with Durant joining the Warriors is that it was the path of least resistance.  Greatness isn't achieved by the end result, but by the struggle it took to get there.  Nobody celebrates the person who inherited their wealth, even if they are great at business.  It is the entrepreneur who came from nothing that people write books and make movies about.  Durant is a great player, maybe a top 25 all time type of player.  But his greatness will always be limited by the fact that he joined an already historically great team before winning a championship.  That is why the average fan won't celebrate Durant, but resent him.
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That's why he's going to do what i predicted - opt out after this season and end the Dubs reign as a member of the Philadelphia 76ers.

I'm not especially a Durant fan, but i've never found any blame in him joining the Warriors. He was advised to do it by one of the great basketball minds, Jerry West. I remember because the Celts sent Stevens, Tom Brady, a Leprechaun and the ghost of Paul Frikkin Reveah down to a house in the Hamptons to try to convince KD to wear the Green. By all accounts he was tempted but the kicker was a call to West, who told him to go get his title, get that off his back then enjoy the rest of his career the way he should. He don't look happy out there, which is why i see him on the move this offseason and he's as good a fit w JoJo & Simmons as LeBrohan is not.

Were you a Thunder fan before you became a disciple of St. Stevens? I dont remember, but i realize theyre the closest NBA franchise to where you live.

 
wikkidpissah said:
Were you a Thunder fan before you became a disciple of St. Stevens? I dont remember, but i realize theyre the closest NBA franchise to where you live.
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I've never been a "fan" of any NBA team before my current allegiance to Boston.  I've rooted for different teams here and there, but never consistently enough to call myself a fan.  I liked the Durant/Westbrook/Ibaka/Harden Thunder team and rooted for them vs. LBJ & Co, but never latched on as a fan.  I've never been to a game there even though it is the closest NBA arena.  I've actually never attended a regular season NBA game in person.

 
mr. furley said:
i haven't said anything about the Cavaliers sucking 

i'm just incredulous that there's a world in which JR Smith gets this kind of run for any team. he's too much of a wild card to play meaningful minutes. he can get hot and score some points but he's also equally as likely to chuck up horrific shots, check out mentally and be a liability.
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mr. furley said:
that's fair

JR Smith still shouldn't be the 3rd best player on your team. was pondering this on my 10-minute commute this morning. i'd be comfortable with JR Smith as my 8th player, 3rd off the bench. in spurts.
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You're not wrong, but all of that's at least partially a product of GM LeBron's shortcomings.  Apply pressure to use assets to acquire vets, improve chances to win now, but since you've used up all of your assets your options eventually are limited to re-signing those vets as they age and head down the bell curve or attempt to replace them with ring chasing vet minimum's.  Then eventually you end up in a position in which you're looking around at an inferior team with limited ability to get better.  :shrug:  Now what? 

 
MAC_32 said:
You're not wrong, but all of that's at least partially a product of GM LeBron's shortcomings.  Apply pressure to use assets to acquire vets, improve chances to win now, but since you've used up all of your assets your options eventually are limited to re-signing those vets as they age and head down the bell curve or attempt to replace them with ring chasing vet minimum's.  Then eventually you end up in a position in which you're looking around at an inferior team with limited ability to get better.  :shrug:  Now what? 
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Pretty much. James is the first superstar to actually use the full force of his pull on an organization. 

 
wikkidpissah said:
That's why he's going to do what i predicted - opt out after this season and end the Dubs reign as a member of the Philadelphia 76ers.

I'm not especially a Durant fan, but i've never found any blame in him joining the Warriors. He was advised to do it by one of the great basketball minds, Jerry West. I remember because the Celts sent Stevens, Tom Brady, a Leprechaun and the ghost of Paul Frikkin Reveah down to a house in the Hamptons to try to convince KD to wear the Green. By all accounts he was tempted but the kicker was a call to West, who told him to go get his title, get that off his back then enjoy the rest of his career the way he should. He don't look happy out there, which is why i see him on the move this offseason and he's as good a fit w JoJo & Simmons as LeBrohan is not.

Were you a Thunder fan before you became a disciple of St. Stevens? I dont remember, but i realize theyre the closest NBA franchise to where you live.
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I think it was mentioned a few pages ago but Jalen Rose was on the fimmonf pod yesterday and he said Durant will be gone in a year or two. Rose predicted NY as the likely destination. I think the odds are pretty slim that he leaves this summer. 

 
Did I miss the convo....where we rip LBJ for switching onto Curry before KD's dagger 3, rather then try to shutdown KD in one of the games final possessions?

Are we giving LBJ a pass on that due to the monster screen set by Curry? Saving energy? Etc?

 
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