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I don't get it.  Didn't they just improve by leaps and bounds by making Harden the primary ballhandler? Admittedly I'm no Morey or D'Antoni, so I assume I'm missing something. And obviously you have to have more than one superstar to truly contend, and players of that caliber are hard to come by so you jump when you get the chance.  Still, the fit seems super weird.

 
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I don't get it.  Didn't they just improve by leaps and bounds by making Harden the primary ballhandler? Admittedly I'm no Morey or D'Antoni, so I assume I'm missing something. And obviously you have to have more than one superstar to truly contend.  Still, the fit is weird.
I'd think of it this way, Paul is a really upgraded Beverly.  Of course this should put them at salary cap, so I don't know where they go from here to fill out the roster, but that's a high level problem to solve.

 
I'd think of it this way, Paul is a really upgraded Beverly.  Of course this should put them at salary cap, so I don't know where they go from here to fill out the roster, but that's a high level problem to solve.
But he's not.  He's a ball dominant guard.

 
I don't get it.  Didn't they just improve by leaps and bounds by making Harden the primary ballhandler? Admittedly I'm no Morey or D'Antoni, so I assume I'm missing something. And obviously you have to have more than one superstar to truly contend, and players of that caliber are hard to come by so you jump when you get the chance.  Still, the fit seems super weird.
I think it's strange.  It's costly, yet I don't think it puts them any more than a smidgen closer to competing with the Warriors. 

 
But he's not.  He's a ball dominant guard.
They need a ball handler for 48 minutes a game.  Paul averaged 31 minutes last year (down from 36-38),  Harden played 36.  That's 67, so there's really only overlap in 19 minutes a game and as shown by the playoffs Harden was worn out by the end of the season.  Plus Paul was a 41% 3-point shooter last year.  Will it be prefect, no, but if Paul ends up playing 28-30 minutes as he ages and Harden goes down to 32-34 during the regular season, the overlap (60-64) is a high level problem to have.  

 
I don't get it.  Didn't they just improve by leaps and bounds by making Harden the primary ballhandler? Admittedly I'm no Morey or D'Antoni, so I assume I'm missing something. And obviously you have to have more than one superstar to truly contend, and players of that caliber are hard to come by so you jump when you get the chance.  Still, the fit seems super weird.
Paul and Harden are a terrible fit, but they gave up a mediocre starting PG, a couple of backups, and a first round pick that isn't going to be worth hardly anything. They can figure out how they fit later. Harden and Paul should both be able to play off ball well if their egos allow and they'll probably only play together for 20mpg or so.

 
I don't get it.  Didn't they just improve by leaps and bounds by making Harden the primary ballhandler? Admittedly I'm no Morey or D'Antoni, so I assume I'm missing something. And obviously you have to have more than one superstar to truly contend, and players of that caliber are hard to come by so you jump when you get the chance.  Still, the fit seems super weird.
:goodposting:

The stage is now set for the next super team, though. Lebron can sign with HOU for a low value contract next year to join buddy Paul and Harden.

 
This move also lets them operate over the cap so they'll have their full MLE (over $8m/yr I think) and BAE (about $3m/yr). They could really fill out a nice team.

 
Sources: After Paul informed Clippers he'd sign w/ HOU in FA, teams agreed to deal sending Beverley, Decker, Williams and 2018 FRP for Paul.
https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/880088294700331008
i think they did this just to get possibly the only player in the entire stretches of the known galaxy who is a bigger flopmaster than poopbeard on the team so that now maybe the refs will just think that is how fragile everyone is when stiff breezes flow poopbeard and crybaby paul over so that they get calls take to the bank brochachos 

 
The Austin Rivers Era has begun!! Boy - that Ante Zizic Era didnt last very long....

It's weird. Harden solicited it, Dantoni must have a scheme for it, but i'm w Funke on how hinky the idea is & it shonuff feels like another shoe's gotta drop here. The opt-in puts the Rockets @ $101mil, so......howz that happenin?  I'm drafting CCapela 1.01 in my Dunk League, i know that.

Got excited about the '19 Clips pick the Celts own but it's lotto-protected for 2 yrs then turns into a pumpkin, so we're actually likely to lose it now.

 
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How did the Clippers get more for Paul, who could sign anywhere, than the Bulls got for Butler, who was under contract for 2 more years?

 
I think it's strange.  It's costly, yet I don't think it puts them any more than a smidgen closer to competing with the Warriors. 
I agree. Paul is a nice name to add, but does it really make the Rockets much better than last season? Their ceiling now is the #2 seed out West. Which I guess isn't bad, but GS is still the heavy favorite.

 
How did the Clippers get more for Paul, who could sign anywhere, than the Bulls got for Butler, who was under contract for 2 more years?
First, I'd say they really didn't...second I'd say it was very important for Houston to get to the apron to use the MLE (which is why they shipped out what they did) and to have him opt-in for the year.  

 
What exactly did the Clips get in this trade? A defender & a 6th man? Give me what the Bulls got from the Wolves over this pile the Rockets sent.

 
I agree. Paul is a nice name to add, but does it really make the Rockets much better than last season? Their ceiling now is the #2 seed out West. Which I guess isn't bad, but GS is still the heavy favorite.
Sure, but that series is at least a little more fun to watch now. Rockets can go small with Paul, Harden, Gordon, Ariza, and Anderson, bomb threes and still have good defenders to throw on Curry and Durant. 

 
One final WojBomb at the Vertical prior to him joining ESPN.  Hopefully the Woj Bombs will stay in effect at the mother ship!

 
Sure, but that series is at least a little more fun to watch now. Rockets can go small with Paul, Harden, Gordon, Ariza, and Anderson, bomb threes and still have good defenders to throw on Curry and Durant. 
It would be a fun series, but Curry had made a living abusing Paul and no one can stop Durant. The Rocket might be able to out score them to force it to 6 games.  

 
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What exactly did the Clips get in this trade? A defender & a 6th man? Give me what the Bulls got from the Wolves over this pile the Rockets sent.
Both Beverly and Lou are on nice deals and should be able to net the Clippers something back near the trade deadline. 

Plus Paul was a true free agent, he could have left for nothing. 

 
Only way you're beating GS is with a collection of stud Two-way players like that have.  HOU just picked up one of the best two-way players in the basketball.  Definite win.  Now, will Harden become a two-way player to make the match-up intriguing?  That is the high-level question here.  He has the ability.

 
I don't get it.  Didn't they just improve by leaps and bounds by making Harden the primary ballhandler? Admittedly I'm no Morey or D'Antoni, so I assume I'm missing something. And obviously you have to have more than one superstar to truly contend, and players of that caliber are hard to come by so you jump when you get the chance.  Still, the fit seems super weird.
They didn't improve by leaps and bounds if the West elite knew exactly how to shut down Harden and the Rockets offense.  

 
Sure, but that series is at least a little more fun to watch now. Rockets can go small with Paul, Harden, Gordon, Ariza, and Anderson, bomb threes and still have good defenders to throw on Curry and Durant. 
The Rockets should be fun to watch, no doubt. I just don't think Paul is enough to put them over the Warriors.

 
What exactly did the Clips get in this trade? A defender & a 6th man? Give me what the Bulls got from the Wolves over this pile the Rockets sent.
Not apples to oranges in any way shape or form.

Bulls got bent over. Clips got what they could because CP3 was about to bend them over.

 
Good thing the Clippers Top 14 protected that 2019/2020 pick they sent Boston for Doc.
The Clippers will have a lot of cap room and LA is an attractive destination for free agents.  Their bench can't be much worse than it was last year.

They still have one bad contract on the books (2/$28M to 37 year old Jordan Crawford) but that's true of most teams. 

 
The Clippers will have a lot of cap room and LA is an attractive destination for free agents.  Their bench can't be much worse than it was last year.

They still have one bad contract on the books (2/$28M to 37 year old Jordan Crawford) but that's true of most teams. 
Austin Rivers likes this post. 

 
He can get the mega deal with Houston too. 
Because they traded for him after he opted in. As a true FA he would have passed up tens of millions. 

edit: Saw this was already clarified. My bad, started this before hopping on a work call. 

 
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