Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
If true, than work McGuire in and sign some practice squad level guy. I thought McGuire actually looked like a player in the preseason, may as well see what you have in him.
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2017 New York Jets: Robby Anderson has been arrested in Florida for the second straight offseason. This is why we can't have nice things. (1 Viewer)
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
While Indy wouldn't take a QB they would open up a slot for trade ups. After a certain point I don't see why they would bother risking Luck this season - they worry me the most. Cleveland and Jax are both on the schedule and should stomp the Jets so I'm not as concerned with them. Indy, Buffalo (let's face it the fact the Jets were sort of in that game speaks to how bad the Bills are also) and SF are the biggest threats to the top pick.
Now that the Pats have no shot at being undefeated and should still have a nice cushion in the division, we can all see where this is going - a Week 17 victory over the Pats third string players to lose out on the top pick.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
My thoughts:
I've been following this team since I was 4, 46 years ago. I have never missed a game. I feel nothing now. Aside from following this team, I'm pretty practical. No point trying to win any games, but I would like to see player development.
I used to think Herm was terrible, but Bowles is way worse. He's a zombie. No emotion, no thinking.
Defense: Lee and Davis piled up tackles, but they're not very good.
Mo? Wtf. The Invisible Man.
Burris does have potential, but that pick was a gift. At first I laughed that our own man (Maye?) tackled him, but he got pushed into him when I saw the replay.
It always sucked losing Snacks. The middle of our dline is a turnstile. They should have kept Simon.
Martin and Ealy looked ok.
The safeties had good and bad moments.
OFFENSE:
I hope McCown doesn't play more than 2 more games max. I rather see Petty or Hack.
The oline was attrocious. I guess when you don't draft anyone for the position in the top 3 rounds, this is what happens.
Forte. Omg, Just relegate him to the bench. Keep him as the third back. More time for Powell and McGuire please.
TEs: not much here although Tye was way better than what he have been dragging out these past few years. At least the TE is in the playbook again.
How the hell did we not hand off the ball to Powell inside the two? Not even once. Shades of last year's dumb OC.
WRs: Kearse looked ok, but I hope we see more of Hansen and Stewart a few games down the road. I'm surprised we didn't take a shot down the field with Anderson.
It's going to be a long season, but everything is still on target for a top pick. Hopefully Indy wins a few games down the road. We just have to escape the early schedule as we have a few games in there that we should at least be close.
I've been following this team since I was 4, 46 years ago. I have never missed a game. I feel nothing now. Aside from following this team, I'm pretty practical. No point trying to win any games, but I would like to see player development.
I used to think Herm was terrible, but Bowles is way worse. He's a zombie. No emotion, no thinking.
Defense: Lee and Davis piled up tackles, but they're not very good.
Mo? Wtf. The Invisible Man.
Burris does have potential, but that pick was a gift. At first I laughed that our own man (Maye?) tackled him, but he got pushed into him when I saw the replay.
It always sucked losing Snacks. The middle of our dline is a turnstile. They should have kept Simon.
Martin and Ealy looked ok.
The safeties had good and bad moments.
OFFENSE:
I hope McCown doesn't play more than 2 more games max. I rather see Petty or Hack.
The oline was attrocious. I guess when you don't draft anyone for the position in the top 3 rounds, this is what happens.
Forte. Omg, Just relegate him to the bench. Keep him as the third back. More time for Powell and McGuire please.
TEs: not much here although Tye was way better than what he have been dragging out these past few years. At least the TE is in the playbook again.
How the hell did we not hand off the ball to Powell inside the two? Not even once. Shades of last year's dumb OC.
WRs: Kearse looked ok, but I hope we see more of Hansen and Stewart a few games down the road. I'm surprised we didn't take a shot down the field with Anderson.
It's going to be a long season, but everything is still on target for a top pick. Hopefully Indy wins a few games down the road. We just have to escape the early schedule as we have a few games in there that we should at least be close.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
During his press conference he said (paraphrasing) that if you go for it there and don't make it you give them a short field and allow them to increase the lead potentially. He said he wanted to pin them back, force them to punt and then get good field position and put the offense in position to score twice. All of this while down two scores with 4 minutes left and the Jets only managing 12 points during the other 56 minutes of game time. The guy is a total buffoon.
rockaction
Footballguy
Wow. This team...
oof.
oof.
But his stupidity will help them secure a franchise QB for the next 15 years. Of course he will need to be fired as soon as the season is over. He could go down as the man that got the job done. They just need to make the correct pick.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Colts without luck are worse
They should get him back long enough to be a non factor for the #1 pick, which they would trade to the highest bidder.
Shutout
Footballguy
They sure are. Boy, the Colts. I think I can go back to the very moment they "almost" had something and then got incredibly stupid. In that draft when they took Dorsett and passed on o-line and defense it was like they were trying to get too cute and stack more of of the same on a roster that had holes but, boy, one good draft there could have put them on the real path.
It IS a game of inches.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Yes, but do we trust the other buffoon to make the right pick? Baby steps I guess. Get a top 3 pick, dump the coach and GM. Then bring in someone that would love to draft a top QB and have a boatload of cash for free agency. Mac can go work for his childhood dream: Starbucks. The employee discount is a great perk for him.
Dorsett was an incredibly stupid pick. At least they ripped off a pick from NE. Ignoring OL is criminal when you have a guy like Luck. They are paying a heavy price. Then it takes a couple years to rebuild the OL. See Dallas. They did a fantastic job of protecting their QB a few years back. Oakland as well. With a franchise QB, if you have time to throw, you don't need top of the line WRs. See Brady.
That is the toughest challenge. They are odds on favorite for the top pick. Making the correct pick is a tough when there will be 3 guys there and Josh Allen may be the best of the 3.
TLEF316
Footballguy
The Colts are honestly a worse franchise than the Jets. They're just really lucky that Manning went back to school in 97 and got hurt the year that he did (allowing them to get luck)
They've never put together good rosters around either one of them. They had 4 or 5 other good players with Manning but the rest of the team was generally garbage. With Luck, its even worse.
They've never put together good rosters around either one of them. They had 4 or 5 other good players with Manning but the rest of the team was generally garbage. With Luck, its even worse.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
They might be worse, but it just feels wrong to say that coming from our perspective. We are a complete ####e show from top to bottom.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
How do GMs not see how vital the OL is....Jets made their great decade long run after drafting Brick and Mangold in the 1st round in 2006....in the ten yrs since that 2006 draft they drafted zero offensive lineman in the 1st rd...1 in the 2d rd (crappy vlad ducasse) and 1 in the 3rd rd (decent Winters)...thats 2 OL in the 1st 3 friggin rds in the past ten yrs...that's insane knowing Brick and Mangold were getting up there in age....with good/great OL it made average to below average talent like Thomas Jones and Mark Sanchez good enough to get to the AFC CG....back to the basics please...get the QB with the 1st pick and protect him with the 2 2d rd picks.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I can't wait for Bowles to be fired.
How does he keep Petty on the bench in the 4th Q of a blowout loss. McCown didn't deserve to be "benched" but I'm sure he would have understood if Bowles said "Good job, but we want to see what the kid can do..."
How does a team that has no chance of winning trot out a 37 year old QB and a 31 year old RB to lead it's offense?
How does a team draft a WR in Round 3 and Round 4 but let them lose snaps to Jeremy Kerley? Kearse has looked good and keeping one veteran out there is fine (plus he could have a future with the team) but letting Kerley on the field instead of Stewart is just a total waste.
Forte looked better than last week, but McGuire looked so much more explosive. And why is Powell not in the gameplan?
If Bowles does not want to do what's best for the franchise and pretend that this team has a chance to win, just fire him now.
How does he keep Petty on the bench in the 4th Q of a blowout loss. McCown didn't deserve to be "benched" but I'm sure he would have understood if Bowles said "Good job, but we want to see what the kid can do..."
How does a team that has no chance of winning trot out a 37 year old QB and a 31 year old RB to lead it's offense?
How does a team draft a WR in Round 3 and Round 4 but let them lose snaps to Jeremy Kerley? Kearse has looked good and keeping one veteran out there is fine (plus he could have a future with the team) but letting Kerley on the field instead of Stewart is just a total waste.
Forte looked better than last week, but McGuire looked so much more explosive. And why is Powell not in the gameplan?
If Bowles does not want to do what's best for the franchise and pretend that this team has a chance to win, just fire him now.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
There are rumors floating around that they could tank this season, draft a QB and trade Luck. Irsay/Grigson are morons and it is a worse run franchise than the Jets.
They play Cleveland this week - that could be telling.
Mookie
Footballguy
Powell looked like his leg got rolled up on early in the game - maybe his first carry? I'm wondering if that's why he didn't see as many snaps.
The offense is flat out atrocious across the board. Can't run. Can't pass. Can't protect.
The muffed punt at the end of the first half was brutal and put the game out of reach.
The defense was on the field for the entire first half and was gassed in the second half - it showed it their woeful tackling. No pass rush, no ability to stop the short passing game, and no TOs further prevented them from getting off the field.
The offense is flat out atrocious across the board. Can't run. Can't pass. Can't protect.
The muffed punt at the end of the first half was brutal and put the game out of reach.
The defense was on the field for the entire first half and was gassed in the second half - it showed it their woeful tackling. No pass rush, no ability to stop the short passing game, and no TOs further prevented them from getting off the field.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Also Jets next three games: Miami, Cleveland and Jax are all "winnable", I'm guessing they may take one of them which lowers their margin of error towards the goal.
TLEF316
Footballguy
A guy in my office is convinced that bowles is "a good coach" because he was one game away from the playoffs 2 years ago.
I think he has, let's just call it "other reasons" for defending him and I'm pretty sure he thinks I have "other reasons" for wanting him out. So now we're caught in this bizarre awkward ongoing conflict where both of us thinks the other is sort of racist due to our stance on bowles but neither will confront the other one about it.
The life of a jets fan...
For the record.... not racist. Unless terrible coaches are now their own race.
I think he has, let's just call it "other reasons" for defending him and I'm pretty sure he thinks I have "other reasons" for wanting him out. So now we're caught in this bizarre awkward ongoing conflict where both of us thinks the other is sort of racist due to our stance on bowles but neither will confront the other one about it.
The life of a jets fan...
For the record.... not racist. Unless terrible coaches are now their own race.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think what his team did in that "one game" is pretty telling.
In all fairness, Bowles has no chance to win this year with this roster - but it's pretty clear he's not a good coach.
Reaper
Footballguy
UPDATE-
So Another Draft Pick, Darren Lee looks like pure Garbage.... getting rag dolled all over the field. Not even sure how he sits and watches the Tape in front of Teammates.
Too soon to call a Bust but, We're probably at the stage now where you just hope the guy finds a role and is serviceable. Mauldin too looks worthless.
Team Tank going ok in the L column but, refusal to Play young WR's and get them experience is worrisome.
ONLY reason I see to play McCown would be some crazy thing like getting more opportunities for young WR"s... But, they don't play so much....
I miss Geno. (Lol)
Serious now... How much more fun would everyone have if they got to Argue about Geno instead of 38 year old Waste or 2 QB's who can't even dream to do what Geno did as a Rookie.... On the brite side IMO Geno would ruin the Tank anyway....
Oh Well.... Check back in a few weeks.....
So Another Draft Pick, Darren Lee looks like pure Garbage.... getting rag dolled all over the field. Not even sure how he sits and watches the Tape in front of Teammates.
Too soon to call a Bust but, We're probably at the stage now where you just hope the guy finds a role and is serviceable. Mauldin too looks worthless.
Team Tank going ok in the L column but, refusal to Play young WR's and get them experience is worrisome.
ONLY reason I see to play McCown would be some crazy thing like getting more opportunities for young WR"s... But, they don't play so much....
I miss Geno. (Lol)
Serious now... How much more fun would everyone have if they got to Argue about Geno instead of 38 year old Waste or 2 QB's who can't even dream to do what Geno did as a Rookie.... On the brite side IMO Geno would ruin the Tank anyway....
Oh Well.... Check back in a few weeks.....
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Fariq
Footballguy
If they don't know the playbook like the back of their hand yet, then they will not play a lot. I betcha that is the issue with them.ONLY reason I see to play McCown would be some crazy thing like getting more opportunities for young WR"s... But, they don't play so much....
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Kearse and Kerley just joined the team right before the season started - you think they know the playbook better than guys that were here since OTAs?
The young guys are not playing because Bowles is coaching for his job when the team should be developing these young guys. Kearse obviously deserves to play and he could stick around with the team beyond this season but Kerley taking time away from Stewart, Hansen, Peake, etc. is dysfunctional.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Lee would probably be better off being moved to the outside where they could use his speed to rush the passer or cover TEs - he gets pummeled inside.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Bingo. When you hand a desperate coach a terrible roster he's going to play vets to try and survive.
Reaper
Footballguy
I don't think any Jet fan had an undersized LB targeted.... I wasn't a huge Vilma fan in the day and this guy is like a Homeless man's Version of Vilma.
Lee would probably have been a nice 4th round pick and ST / Role player.
PFF nailed it.... Why would anyone take an Undersized "Fast" LB who can't cover
BIGGEST CONCERN:
• Off-balance far too often when trying to change direction or break down in space
• Tough to project against the run after rarely playing in the box
• Undersized to play anything other than on the weakside at the moment
• Exposed at times in coverage with little feel for zones
Fariq
Footballguy
I actually cannot agree or disagree because I cannot get into the head of Stewart or Hansen. Mmm bop bop shoe *** mmp bop... Oh sorry. Wide receiver is not an easy position to learn. For every Randy Moss who hits the ground running, there are 20 or so other wide receivers who take a year or two or three to get it. Being in the league for a while, Kearse and Kerley know more aspects of the sport, the game has slowed down for them a bit, they are familiar with a lot of the cornerbacks, etc.
Week 10 and beyond and Kerley is getting 85% of the snaps and Stewart and Hansen are barely playing? Then I will agree with you.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Well that was unexpected. A total thrashing of the Dolphins. Those guys should be hanging their heads in shame today.
Very conflicting result. On one hand, I was rooting for the tank. Halfway through it, I knew that loser Cutler wasn't going to do anything, so I shifted to pile on the hated Fins.
At this point, I still have no idea why we're playing McCown, Kerley, Forte, etc. If it's about development, then use the younger kids. Anyway, kudos to the players for coming out hard and busting their butts today. Adams was a beast.
As much as it hurts to say it because I usually think Bowles is a dope, credit to the coaching staff for integrating lots of new players over the past couple of weeks. Lots of contributions today.
Very conflicting result. On one hand, I was rooting for the tank. Halfway through it, I knew that loser Cutler wasn't going to do anything, so I shifted to pile on the hated Fins.
At this point, I still have no idea why we're playing McCown, Kerley, Forte, etc. If it's about development, then use the younger kids. Anyway, kudos to the players for coming out hard and busting their butts today. Adams was a beast.
As much as it hurts to say it because I usually think Bowles is a dope, credit to the coaching staff for integrating lots of new players over the past couple of weeks. Lots of contributions today.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Because Bowles is coaching to win. which is shortsighted but understandable from his perspective.
I agree it was a very weird to be upset that the Jets jumped so far ahead, but like you I eventually sat back and enjoyed the ride. At least it was the Dolphins that got beat up.
McCown looked really sharp - It's hard to root against the guy but we've been down this road with Fitzpatrick. The glass slipper will fall off eventually. Three wins is still this team's ceiling.
Adams was great and we saw some flashes from Anderson, McGuire and Stewart on offense (which is encouraging). ASJ looked as good as advertised - it's nice to finally have a weapon at TE again.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
shadrap
Footballguy
Fariq
Footballguy
I want it every which way, dammit! I want only young players playing. I want the Jets to lose all the games. I want the young players to show they can play but I want them to all actually suck so the Jets won't win. I want the team to go 0-16.
Unbelievable.
Earth to Jets fans- the team can go 3-13 or 4-12 and still pick first in the draft either by having the worst record or by trading up to get the first pick. Wanting the team to only use players under the age of 24 and wanting all those players to "develop" but root for them all to not really play well so that the team can go 0-16 is ridiculous. If you want the Jets to go that route in December when the team is 2-9, then that is a different story.
TLEF316
Footballguy
That's the exact attitude that could cost the team the number 1 pick when they sneak out 4 wins and another teams sucks all year and only gets 2 or 3.
The jets don't have a quarterback. Until you have a quarterback, nothing you do means a damn thing. And if you have a quarterback, you can make lots of mistakes, build a very mediocre roster and still compete.
So yeah, I am rooting for the jets to go 1-15 and take all doubt out of the equation. Im a realist and I'm tired of the cycle of losing, half assed on the fly rebuild, rinse repeat.
The jets don't have a quarterback. Until you have a quarterback, nothing you do means a damn thing. And if you have a quarterback, you can make lots of mistakes, build a very mediocre roster and still compete.
So yeah, I am rooting for the jets to go 1-15 and take all doubt out of the equation. Im a realist and I'm tired of the cycle of losing, half assed on the fly rebuild, rinse repeat.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
What a surreal day...I was sitting in my usual seats where opening day meant something....the Jets looked solid...beat the Fish who I despise almost as much as the Pats from the Marino days....so why wasnt I enjoying myself? The same reason I wasnt happy when they beat the Titans in a meaningless game back a few yrs ago that cost them Mariotta. This is not in the best interest of the franchise.....
playing a 35 yr old QB with 30 yr old Kerley and others taking valuable time away from the youngsters and winning meaningless games so they finish with 4-6 wins and another just out of reach with a real QB pick. I can't kill Bowles - he's coaching for his job...but MAc should have never even allowed this to happen.
They may pick off a few of the creampuffs commin up - especially if McCown plays....6-10 and another defensive pick on the way...this is what purgatory must feel like!
playing a 35 yr old QB with 30 yr old Kerley and others taking valuable time away from the youngsters and winning meaningless games so they finish with 4-6 wins and another just out of reach with a real QB pick. I can't kill Bowles - he's coaching for his job...but MAc should have never even allowed this to happen.
They may pick off a few of the creampuffs commin up - especially if McCown plays....6-10 and another defensive pick on the way...this is what purgatory must feel like!
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
You are over simplifying things to make what I'm sure in your mind is some salient point. No one is saying what you are trying to say they are.
It is however valid to ask why a rebuilding team would play a mediocre (or worse) veteran over a young player which does delay the development process. And why would you want the team to go 4-12? Does that serve any purpose other than giving the team less of a chance at securing a much needed QB.
This win, should not fool anyone. They still have one of the worst rosters in the league, so any win they "luck" into only does them damage. I'm glad they are playing hard - and I loved what I saw from Adams and Anderson (among others) so personally you're full of crap when you say no one wants to see the young guys play well. We all do - they need to in order to give the team some future hope.
McCown seems to be a great guy, and I am happy to see him play well - it's just that the Jets really get no benefit from trotting him out there past Week 5. For one thing they really do need to see if Petty or Hack have a future and/or if they do need to draft a QB next offseason. At the very least it would be nice to see if Petty or Hack can at least show a level of competence that would make us feel good about having them backup a rookie or even start the season off next year while allowing the rookie to observe from the sidelines for a bit. McCown could of course serve that purpose next year as well, but he's 37 and will be 38 next year so Petty or Hack stepping up would be a much better scenario.
My biggest beef is playing Kerley - who offers nothing. As Reaper said, the main benefit of having McCown out there is at least we can see if these young WRs can play with a serviceable QB. Once Petty or Hack get out there we may not get that benefit.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
great stuff Doc.....I am a huge Jet fan and would love to see the youngsters develop...if they play Petty or Hack along with the rest of the kids and they end up 6-10 showing progress I could live with it.....getting meaningless wins with a 37 yr old QB and some grizzled vets that wont be around next year let alone when they are competitive again is just dumb..why cut Decker, Marshall and Harris then? They either are half assing their tank plan or never really planned to tank but rather save every nickel in what they knew would be a lousy year....either way it stinks as a fan.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Earth to Fariq, what is unbelievable is your level of reading comprehension , condescension, or ignoring whatever you want in order to present your agenda. I didn't say the things you wrote.
I'm 50 years old and I've watched every Jets game since age 4. I'm clear about what I want: I want this team to be a serious contender every year and not win 5-9 games every year. The best way to do this is to get a top QB. The best way to do this is to get a top pick. This team is going nowhere this season. The practical thing to do is root for them to get a high draft pick as opposed to a middling to poor 4-5 win season.
To be clear: I don't want this team to be playing veterans with no future or no high ceiling as opposed to getting our younger players experience. Yes, I want the younger players to develop. However, and maybe this is the point you can't comprehend, experience or playing time does not equate to success in the short term. Rookies are going to make mistakes. Just because they play and develop doesn't mean that it will lead to success this year. Even Revis didn't look great in his first year and he's most likely a Hall of Famer.
By the way, if you go back 10 years (I figured 10 is a nice round number), only once did a team finish with the first pick with 3 wins. Once. So yeah, it's possible to get the top pick with 3 wins, but very unlikely. 4? Nope. The number of wins for the teams with the top pick over the past 10 years:
1, 3, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 1, 0, 1. Plus there were multiple teams that were tied for least wins and then you have to win the strength of scheduling tie-breaker.
Also, no I don't want to have to give up 2 or 3 future draft top picks to move up and draft a qb.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I really dont know what to say - 1st time ever I dont want them to win and they win.....let's keep it in perspective as Jax is nowhere near an elite team...but as I feared with McCown and the vets playing they will be good enough to beat the truly down trodden teams and win around 6 games....I've read fans saying they'd rather have that then a truly abysmal 0-2 win yr....I also see that nothing is in stone as some of the shine is coming off the elite prospects - maybe one will fall or not even be worth drafting in the 1st ala Barkley's drop...still this is going to be purgatory.
If you're going to be in purgatory might as well embrace it and cheer for the wins at this point.......Adams looks like the real deal...finally have a great 1-2 punch with Powell and McGuire who looks like he can be the heir at RB....gotta even give Bowles some credit as its the 1st time I've seen halftime adjustments in a long time....
I just hope that when the season is truly out of reach...and I think it will after the schedule tightens up - that they play all the kids and the McCown, Kerley, Forte and company dont see the field so the kids can truly develop....they will likely get a top 10 pick and have $80M in cap $ so the future is there. Just not the way I was hoping....
So no more tank talk from me until the end when it truly is clear what a win will do....Go Jets!
If you're going to be in purgatory might as well embrace it and cheer for the wins at this point.......Adams looks like the real deal...finally have a great 1-2 punch with Powell and McGuire who looks like he can be the heir at RB....gotta even give Bowles some credit as its the 1st time I've seen halftime adjustments in a long time....
I just hope that when the season is truly out of reach...and I think it will after the schedule tightens up - that they play all the kids and the McCown, Kerley, Forte and company dont see the field so the kids can truly develop....they will likely get a top 10 pick and have $80M in cap $ so the future is there. Just not the way I was hoping....
So no more tank talk from me until the end when it truly is clear what a win will do....Go Jets!
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
They get Cleveland next week so 3-2 is a real possibility. The problem is 1. This team is really not that good and 2. The schedule gets brutal after that with only a few exceptions.
This is a 5-11 or 6-10 season waiting to happen, so like you say purgatory. Nothing is ever easy for this team even losing. They basically handed the win back to Jacksonville and the Jags didn't want it.
I wanted at least five games each from Petty and Hack - but now it will be tougher to get that when they are 3-5 / 4-4 at the halfway point.
I was joking with my boss this morning that the Giants will finish 2-14 and draft Darnold (who will be a star and win 2-3 Super Bowls with the NYG). Eli will finish his career as a washed up QB with the Jets and they will continue in purgatory for a few years longer.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Also as well as Adams is playing I wanted Watson to be the pick (even took him on this site's annual fan mock draft) and seeing him almost beat the Pats in Foxboro and then light up the Titans with 57 points the next week is not making me feel too great.
At least Adams is playing at a high level which does console me some but obviously franchise QB is >>>> a great strong safety.
At least Adams is playing at a high level which does console me some but obviously franchise QB is >>>> a great strong safety.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
I hear you. Watson (and even Mahomes in the preseason) is looking really good.That said, Adams looks like a stud.
Well, at this point, we can kiss the top pick goodbye. Too many bad teams. Back to rooting for them to win, but mainly for the kids to get playing time and do well. I loved Forte's career, but please trade/cut/bench him. We're better off with more Powell and McGuire.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
very fair point - I wanted offense at the position and would have been fine with Watson or Mahomes...Adams looks like a star so it does make it hurt less but you are right - QB outweighs safety by far.....QB in the 1st just wasnt going to happen though - no way Mac indicts himself on the Hack pick so quick....so not only did Hack cost the Jets a solid 2d rd contributor player but also likely Mahomes/Watson. Ugh
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Getting the top pick will be tough. Right now 2 wins look like the ceilings for: Cleveland; San Fran; Indy (maybe even if Luck does come back) and Chicago. Then you have teams with less wins right now like SD, NYG and Miami but hopefully win some down the road.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
This just isnt a top pick team....despite all the media crap all off season...if they played Hack/Petty all season like I wanted to they may be...but McCown is a pro who has had some bad luck/teams/injuries the past few yrs. He's going to keep them in the mix and probably have a Fitz-lite kind of year so they will not fade out until that brutal stretch starts around Thxgiving....which means no Petty/Hack until the last 3-4 games which is unfortunate.
Well we can't control it - they'll have a likely top 10 pick with 2 2d rders to play with...may be best to root for a team that has a QB to end up in top 2 and trade up....
