2018-19 NBA Thread: Magic Johnson leaves Lakers in order to pursue other jobs to be completely terrible at (3 Viewers)

[tjnc09]

Ya, you've already told us how you're better than most of them.  Coyote's post is relevant.  Philly wasn't trading the #3 pick this year for a future #1 pick that chances are doesn't even have the top pick.  The chances of someone trading for someone's NEXT year top pick is as close to impossible as it gets in sports.  At the time it was a good pick according to the best, most experienced scouts in the game.  Don't be hindsight guy.  No one likes hindsight guy.

I didn't say trade the #3 pick for a future #1 that no one knows who will own.  You can trade that #3 for other first round picks and accumulate them for a better opportunity.

The margin in talent drop off from #1 to #2, #2 to #3, #3 to #4, etc is not equal.  If I'm a GM, I'm holding on to my picks to trade until that one guy that will change the league for 10+ years. 6'4" Guards like Fultz are not that guy especially with the perceived value from other teams of the first overall pick.  The elite guard talent has come from anywhere in the draft.  

 

[flranger]

until that one guy that will change the league for 10+ years. 6'4" Guards like Fultz are not that guy 

How tall is Curry?

 

[tjnc09]

@Deamon who are your top five players in the last 20 years based on pre-draft expectations?  

 

[tjnc09]

How tall is Curry?

That's why I said elite guard talent has come from all over the draft.  No one realistically predicted he would develop into who he is today.  

The chances a historical talent is drafted is better on a player with outlier physical attributes than an average height guard.

 

[tjnc09]

That's an impossible question to answer. There's no universal set of expectations. 

SI dubbed James the "Chosen One" prior to his draft.  That seems one easy choice out of five.

 

[Juxtatarot]

@Deamon who are your top five players in the last 20 years based on pre-draft expectations?  

Just for kicks...

LeBron James and Anthony Davis in the top two without a doubt.

There could be reasonable debate for the other three.  Some candidates are Dwight Howard, Greg Oden, Kevin Durant, Yao Ming, Derrick Rose and Karl Anthony Towns.  Edit to add Blake Griffin.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Could Melo start at the 4 for the Sixers and add some desperate needed shooting?

 

[Deamon]

I didn't say trade the #3 pick for a future #1 that no one knows who will own.  You can trade that #3 for other first round picks and accumulate them for a better opportunity.

The margin in talent drop off from #1 to #2, #2 to #3, #3 to #4, etc is not equal.  If I'm a GM, I'm holding on to my picks to trade until that one guy that will change the league for 10+ years. 6'4" Guards like Fultz are not that guy especially with the perceived value from other teams of the first overall pick.  The elite guard talent has come from anywhere in the draft.  

Hilarious.

 

[Deamon]

@Deamon who are your top five players in the last 20 years based on pre-draft expectations?  

I never called Fultz a top 5 player in the last 20 years.  According to your logic, the Celtics should have traded their pick and taken a shot at a future 1st rounder instead of taking Tatum too right?  The odds of somehow finding a team that wanted to move up for that top pick, who also happened to be a team that hits the #1 in the lottery, that also on top of that happens to be in a year where a generational player declares for the draft is almost zero.  By the time the sixers turned that 'future #1 pick" into the top pick of the draft, it would likely be long after Ben, Embiid, etc retired.  Thank goodness you're not a GM.

 

[Deamon]

Could Melo start at the 4 for the Sixers and add some desperate needed shooting?

Please no.

 

[Insein]

Could Melo start at the 4 for the Sixers and add some desperate needed shooting?

He can barely shoot anymore and is worse on defense than Bellinelli.

 

[tjnc09]

Just for kicks...

LeBron James and Anthony Davis in the top two without a doubt.

There could be reasonable debate for the other three.  Some candidates are Dwight Howard, Greg Oden, Kevin Durant, Yao Ming, Derrick Rose and Karl Anthony Towns.  Edit to add Blake Griffin.

I would say this is mine:

James - one of the most hyped players I can remember.  League changer.

Davis - rare combination of size and skill set.   Travesty if he doesn't win a NBA ring (playing in his peak vs. GS is a problem)

Durant - ~7 footer who could do everything and shoot over anyone.  

Towns - His diet, cardio, or effort has been a concern.  Voulgaris described him as big guy with a dad bod who didn't care.  The skills are there - he could be exceptionally great if he got himself in better shape

Duncan - Too many years since his draft, but consensus #1 from what I remember.  Might have my hindsight goggles on.

Rarely is the HOF hype around a guard.  Without one of these guys, your team is basically drawing dead for a championship 

 

[tjnc09]

I never called Fultz a top 5 player in the last 20 years.  According to your logic, the Celtics should have traded their pick and taken a shot at a future 1st rounder instead of taking Tatum too right?  The odds of somehow finding a team that wanted to move up for that top pick, who also happened to be a team that hits the #1 in the lottery, that also on top of that happens to be in a year where a generational player declares for the draft is almost zero.  By the time the sixers turned that 'future #1 pick" into the top pick of the draft, it would likely be long after Ben, Embiid, etc retired.  Thank goodness you're not a GM.

yeah, thank goodness I'm not a GM.  I would never make a gigantic mistake drafting Fultz with a #1 pick like guys paid to do this for a living. 

 

[Juxtatarot]

I would say this is mine:

James - one of the most hyped players I can remember.  League changer.

Davis - rare combination of size and skill set.   Travesty if he doesn't win a NBA ring (playing in his peak vs. GS is a problem)

Durant - ~7 footer who could do everything and shoot over anyone.  

Towns - His diet, cardio, or effort has been a concern.  Voulgaris described him as big guy with a dad bod who didn't care.  The skills are there - he could be exceptionally great if he got himself in better shape

Duncan - Too many years since his draft, but consensus #1 from what I remember.  Might have my hindsight goggles on.

Rarely is the HOF hype around a guard.  Without one of these guys, your team is basically drawing dead for a championship 

Duncan is greater than 20 years. If you expand to his year, yeah, he’s in there.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Could Melo start at the 4 for the 

The answer is no unless you are talking about a Chinese team.

 

[Deamon]

yeah, thank goodness I'm not a GM.  I would never make a gigantic mistake drafting Fultz with a #1 pick like guys paid to do this for a living. 

So again, you're smarter than the 95% of analysts and GMs who would have taken him if they owned the top pick?  Okay then. 

 

[Deamon]

Could Melo start at the 4 for the Sixers and add some desperate needed shooting?

I think the combo of Chandler and Muscala can work.

 

[thecatch]

Just for kicks...

LeBron James and Anthony Davis in the top two without a doubt.

There could be reasonable debate for the other three.  Some candidates are Dwight Howard, Greg Oden, Kevin Durant, Yao Ming, Derrick Rose and Karl Anthony Towns.  Edit to add Blake Griffin.

I’d put Wall in there too. 

 

[Frostillicus]

Honestly, Melo signing with the Sixers would make me exceptionally happy. 

 

[Frostillicus]

@Deamon who are your top five players in the last 20 years based on pre-draft expectations?  

Anthony Bennett

 

[tjnc09]

So again, you're smarter than the 95% of analysts and GMs who would have taken him if they owned the top pick?  Okay then. 

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/744064-2016-17-nba-thread-finals-are-over-please-go-away/?page=160&tab=comments#comment-20129763

?‍ said it more than once before.

3-4 teams have a chance in any given year.  If you don't have one of probably five guys in the NBA, might as well punt the season and figure out how to A) get one of them or B) draft the next one.  And the "next one" better be some abnormal physical freak.

 

[DJackson10]

Come on, man.  Cam was awesome in 2015.  And you're going to have to back up why Colin Kaepernick shouldn't be in the league. 

He was a pretty terrible teammate. He slept with Aldon SMith's GF his current Nessah which led to the fight and ALdon Smith was cut for fighting with CK not for the off the field issues. Vernon Davis asked to be treated because of special treatment the org was giving him. I work a football camp with a Local guy from Philly who's had coaches and players help out and even has had Jay Glazer. Glazer who was the first to report on CK being on an island in the locker room. He apparently big dogged a ton of Veterans. Kapernick lost a lot of speed and skillset what made him good fast too. And then the talent around him declined or left and he was exposed. The dude overall as a teammate was what I heard from some people worse then anything TO was. The dude can't read a defense and had a terrible work ethic. He also refused to go to Den because he wanted his money upfront but in order to go to Den he had to restructure his contract a contract I was told Talking to Glazer at this camp he could received all his money back in very obtainable bonuses but Kaepernick refused. Mary Kate Cabot had a report of Cleveland wanting him but he refused to go because he was afraid of them sucking too much and bringing in a Rookie QB (AKA Competition). He also refused to not to defend his GF on the racially charged tweets to the Baltimore Ravens. CK started kneeling and protesting after the reports came out SF would cut him if he didn't look like he was improving. His GF put him up to it. She's a gold dinger and she's an athlete rat. Sleeps around with Athletes using them for their fame and money. Kaepernick his last year led all NFL skilled played in Tunrovers, sacks accumulated and net yards lost. He also had the worst Statitistal QB game in NFL history against the worst Defense that year he had more sack yards then passing. He has zero idea how to addible. 

I respect the players protesting btw. Colin also lied about the players coalition. I know Malcolm Jenkins Position Coach assistant to him. I grew up with the guy despite going to different schools and work with his mom at my job. His first job was with Andy Reid in KC. Jenkins tried calling CK as well as everyone else to get CK and Eric Reid to the meetings but neither one returned texts, phone calls, emails etc. When the coalition first came about and they voted Jenkins as President CK threw a hissy fit about not being it and thought he should as he started the whole thing. The players wanted someone on an active roster who fans, media and owners really respected so they voted for Jenkins. After the media coverage went to the Player coalition and less on CK and ER they took their balls and went home because the attention wasn't on them. The dude is a complete liar and people have questioned if he really ever cared about football. At the position he plays you need to really care about playing or you won't command respect of your teammates or coaches. With Eric Reid's latest antics it's pretty clear CK and ER were all about getting attention. I'm Glad Malcom and company made it something more and better instead of trying to use something in social justice and race so he can't be held accountable for his actions. The dudes a cancer to the locker room and sucks as a QB and teammate. I feel those who think he should be in the league still want him as some Marty SJW Demi god. CK was never anything special. He was a guy who was successful with talent around him and using a gimmick offense from college. He couldn't adapt after teams adapted to it. 

 

[DJackson10]

How'd they do before and after him?  Watch his playoff game victory over Green Bay where he SET RECORDS and tell me how terrible he was. 

Green Bay had a terrible defense. You might have a point if the guy played SEA's D then but we all know what happened when they got there. 

 

[DJackson10]

 When the 49ers built a SB caliber team with the #1 OL, top 5 rushing game, top 5 defense, a legit receiving core and being two plays away from the SB the year before, Kaepernick gets credit as the reason they almost won a SB.  

When the 49ers sucked, it wasn't his fault because the defense and coaching were bad.

I swear people who continue to defend Kaepernick don't watch football.

It sounds like every argument ever used for Big Arm QB who runs and then when they get exposed for how bad they are trying to throw accurately it's always the team around them and the coach. I use to hear this argument for Vick all the time. Don't get me wrong Vick is a much better QB then CK but both were running QBs. Guys like Kaepernick are a 3-4 stop gap nothing more for a team ready to win a SB now with what you listed just missing something at the QB position. I also think Alex Smith got a terrible rap in SF and didn't appreciate the guy enough. They ran him out of town for a 2 year wonder at QB. 

 

[GOB]

Guys, if we are going to besmirch the good name of the Green Bay Packers in this thread, I'm going to have to start laying the ban hammer down.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Could Melo start at the 4 for the Sixers and add some desperate needed shooting?

shut your whore mouth

 

[DJackson10]

Look, there's an entire thread devoted to Kaepernick we can pollute.  I think he's a good QB.  You don't.  You want to resort to insults, I don't.   You can probably find dance partners willing to do so in that thread, though.

Yeah no thanks that thread is filled with too many SJWs CK should be QB in the NFL for some of the dumbest reasons. The stuff I was told alone how he handled himself with the Players coalition is enough alone to show the dude was in business for himself and didn't care about the game. 

 

[Frostillicus]

Guys, if we are going to besmirch the good name of the Green Bay Packers in this thread, I'm going to have to start laying the ban hammer down.

Oh no.

 

[DJackson10]

Could Melo start at the 4 for the Sixers and add some desperate needed shooting?

How much Locker room cancer do you want the Sixers to have? Melo is done. I think he needs to retire and join the big 3 league. Melo could've been a huge superstar but he chose not to be. 

 

[DJackson10]

Guys, if we are going to besmirch the good name of the Green Bay Packers in this thread, I'm going to have to start laying the ban hammer down.

we're just simple telling him his argument is terrible using them. No disrespect to the Packers honestly but their defense the year he's boasting them up on was one of the worst that year

 

[Frostillicus]

?

 

[General Malaise]

He was a pretty terrible teammate. He slept with Aldon SMith's GF his current Nessah which led to the fight and ALdon Smith was cut for fighting with CK not for the off the field issues.

This is quite possibly the most ridiculous, erroneous, ignorant set of sentences I've ever read in nearly 20 years of posting on this website.  

Congrats on becoming the 2nd member of my ignore list.  

 

[DJackson10]

This is quite possibly the most ridiculous, erroneous, ignorant set of sentences I've ever read in nearly 20 years of posting on this website.  

Congrats on becoming the 2nd member of my ignore list.  

Hey that's what I was told by people in the know You can choose to believe it or not but this whole CK is being blacked balled by the league is just as ridiculous, erroneous and ignorant as people who said Tebow was being blacked balled from the league. 

 

[General Malaise]

Yeah no thanks that thread is filled with too many SJWs CK should be QB in the NFL for some of the dumbest reasons. The stuff I was told alone how he handled himself with the Players coalition is enough alone to show the dude was in business for himself and didn't care about the game. 

As opposed to, say, LeVeon Bell who is in it for the team, right?  Good riddance.  

 

[Frostillicus]

This is quite possibly the most ridiculous, erroneous, ignorant set of sentences I've ever read in nearly 20 years of posting on this website.  

Congrats on becoming the 2nd member of my ignore list.  

GM wait

You're gonna miss out on a lot of quality content!

 

[Frostillicus]

DJackson has lots of connections.  

 

[General Malaise]

Hey that's what I was told by people in the know You can choose to believe it or not but this whole CK is being blacked balled by the league is just as ridiculous, erroneous and ignorant as people who said Tebow was being blacked balled from the league. 

No no no....we are discussing Aldon Smith here now.  You chose to take the conversation that way and by so doing, exposed yourself as an ignorant fraud.  

 

[sports_fan]

I think most people had Fultz as the #1 pick that year. But he was not a game changer selection. And trading up to get a guy like that was not a good move. 

I definitely had him at #1. I'll admit I didn't give a #### and just went along with the consensus, but I felt pretty confident about it.

 

[BassNBrew]

All I'm saying is he's known around these parts for "knowing" things like that.

Well I know who shot JR, but I don't spout off about his fastball being a product of vaseline hidden in his fro.

 

[General Malaise]

Hm, you called me out for saying you don't watch football, but saying someone is connected to a crack pipe is okay.  Makes sense.

You and I disagree on whether or not Kaepernick was any good.  It was you that resorted to insults. 

Saying Aldon Smith was cut for anything other than off-field troubles is pretty ignorant.  He was arrested 3 times for DUI, was stabbed at a party, charged with felonies for fire arms and threatened LAX with bombs before the 49ers released him. But yeah, sure...it was a beef with Kaepernick.  If that's not ignorance, what is? 

 

[coyote5]

Green Bay had a terrible defense. You might have a point if the guy played SEA's D then but we all know what happened when they got there. 

He pretty much got that contract off his games against GB.  It was ridiculous.

 

[GOB]

Cool thread, Cappy.

 

[Short Corner]

I would say this is mine:

James - one of the most hyped players I can remember.  League changer.

Davis - rare combination of size and skill set.   Travesty if he doesn't win a NBA ring (playing in his peak vs. GS is a problem)

Durant - ~7 footer who could do everything and shoot over anyone.  

Towns - His diet, cardio, or effort has been a concern.  Voulgaris described him as big guy with a dad bod who didn't care.  The skills are there - he could be exceptionally great if he got himself in better shape

Duncan - Too many years since his draft, but consensus #1 from what I remember.  Might have my hindsight goggles on.

Rarely is the HOF hype around a guard.  Without one of these guys, your team is basically drawing dead for a championship 

How do you have Durant in your pre-draft hype top 5 but not the guy who was the overwhelming number one in the same draft?

Duncan was more than 20 years ago.

 

[Vanilla Guerrilla]

How do you have Durant in your pre-draft hype top 5 but not the guy who was the overwhelming number one in the same draft?

Duncan was more than 20 years ago.

Because that wouldn't support the notion that he'd be a better GM than most of the GMs in the NBA.

 

[Insein]

DJackson has all of the connections.  

Fixed

 

[Jayrod]

W. T. F. is going on in here?

Way to muck it up, guys.  We usually save the off the rails stuff for the playoffs or when the Celtics go on a big winning streak.

 

[Jayrod]

Getting things back to basketball discussion...

Has the East now surpassed the West as the most exciting conference?  I'm certainly more intrigued by the top 5 of the East than a bickering Golden State and a mess of teams clawing for 2nd place.  Blazers and Nuggets making things a little interesting, I guess.

Also looking forward to the C's v. Raptors game tonight.  This will be a good test for Boston and hopefully a launching point for their season.  Need to get Hayward and Brown to figure things out.  Tatum, Kyrie and Horford are holding their own.  Bench isn't firing on all cylinders yet, either.

 

[Deamon]

How do you have Durant in your pre-draft hype top 5 but not the guy who was the overwhelming number one in the same draft?

Duncan was more than 20 years ago.

Because back then, he was pumping Durant over Oden of course.  He thought it was stupid to take Oden over Durant.  He sees the future.

 

[Deamon]

Getting things back to basketball discussion...

Has the East now surpassed the West as the most exciting conference?  I'm certainly more intrigued by the top 5 of the East than a bickering Golden State and a mess of teams clawing for 2nd place.  Blazers and Nuggets making things a little interesting, I guess.

Also looking forward to the C's v. Raptors game tonight.  This will be a good test for Boston and hopefully a launching point for their season.  Need to get Hayward and Brown to figure things out.  Tatum, Kyrie and Horford are holding their own.  Bench isn't firing on all cylinders yet, either.

West still "better", but I'll give most exciting to the East for sure.  The top of the West isn't all that interesting.... was much more so last year. 

East has 4 teams' fan bases thinking they can make the finals.  It's completely up for grabs and should be quite exciting down the stretch.  Come playoffs the "east is more exciting than the west" notion will be even more true. 

 

[Jayrod]

West still "better", but I'll give most exciting to the East for sure.  The top of the West isn't all that interesting.... was much more so last year. 

East has 4 teams' fan bases thinking they can make the finals.  It's completely up for grabs and should be quite exciting down the stretch.  Come playoffs the "east is more exciting than the west" notion will be even more true. 

The only team "better" is Golden State.  I'd take Toronto over every other team in the West right now and Milwaukee is on par with Portland and Denver.  The biggest difference is that the West goes about 10 deep, while the East is a whole bunch of rebuilding projects after Philly, Boston and Indy.  I guess night in and night out, you will get better games out of West teams.  My two favorite West teams to watch, the Pelicans and Jazz, are sitting at 10 & 11.