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2018 College Football Thread: Local man buys some teenage champions a 4 for 4 (1 Viewer)

People keep talking about Clemson’s recruiting, and while it’s great, there are 6-7 other teams on par with them. It’s all coaching for them. Alabama and for the last two years Georgia are the only two a clear step ahead on recruiting. 

 
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Capella said:
I don’t think that 75% is right. I swear I read something once that said 30%
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One of the biggest homer beat writers (Pete Sampson) used to always use the admissions excuse until he recently did some digging and asked admissions as well. He’s the one who came back with the 75% figure and I trust that with his access and his tendency to otherwise make excuses for ND coaches. 

 
Capella said:
People keep talking about Clemson’s recruiting, and while it’s great, there are 6-7 other teams on par with them. It’s all coaching for them. Alabama and for the last two years Georgia are the only two a clear step ahead on rscruiting. 
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Yeah I’d say the only area we’ve recruited at elite levels is QB with Watson and now Lawrence, WR, and DL. Obviously those are important areas, but Etienne for example,  was an afterthought and a late addition to that class. Before him Wayne Gallman was a 3 star and basically a take to help lure Nkimdeche which didn’t happen. LB and Secondary guys have been good, but no 5 stars that I remember. 

Actually with Etienne, the story I heard is that Burton Burns who was Bama’s RB coach at the time, told Dabo about Etienne. Bama was full and Dabo and Burton were both on Tommy Bowden’s staff together. 

 
bigmarc27 said:
Yeah I’d say the only area we’ve recruited at elite levels is QB with Watson and now Lawrence, WR, and DL. Obviously those are important areas, but Etienne for example,  was an afterthought and a late addition to that class. Before him Wayne Gallman was a 3 star and basically a take to help lure Nkimdeche which didn’t happen. LB and Secondary guys have been good, but no 5 stars that I remember. 

Actually with Etienne, the story I heard is that Burton Burns who was Bama’s RB coach at the time, told Dabo about Etienne. Bama was full and Dabo and Burton were both on Tommy Bowden’s staff together. 
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Yes but that’s also development. Sure Watson and Lawrence are super-elite guys, but other elite guys have gone elsewhere and busted. Hell FSU has had a half a dozen 4 and 5 star QBs flame out the last 5 years. We’ve stocked last chance U rosters every season now. 

 
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Joel Klatt on XM First Team:  ‘This is one of the worst, if not the worst, location in the country’ for the CFP...regardless of matchup.

 
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Jayded said:
Brian Kelly is too high: he belongs in Tier 5. 

I can tell you when ND fans talk about him moving on that a lot of the coaches in Tier 5 are on the preferred short list (Chryst, Shaw, Patterson)

As succinctly as I can express Kelly having met his ceiling:

- ND was 6-0 in bowls after regular seasons of 0 or 1 losses before Kelly (Kelly is 0-3)

- ND was 8-5 overall in bowls as a top 9 team before Kelly. All previous 5 losses were within one score in the 4th quarter (i.e. no blowouts)

- Kelly has taken teams to 4 major bowls (one at Cincy, and all but Rose), going 0-4 with an average losing margin of 25.5. 
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As a fellow ND fan your hatred for Kelly is both sad and funny. If you can just admit what ND is as a program you might actually enjoy years like this year. Any given year I'd expect them to finish between 10-20 in the rankings with some up years like this year and some down years. That's what they are and that's what they will be in the near future. 

He's 0-2 in bowls after a regular season of 0 to 1 losses by the way. The three you're referencing though are against Bama/Saban, OSU/Urban, Clemson/Dabo. The horror losing to arguably the three best programs/coaches during Kelly's tenure at ND. If that's the bar, ND will be on a constant coaching carousel. Sure the games could have been closer but then you would have just whined about how Kelly can't finish a close game.

He has them about as relevant as anyone could expect and you're constantly whining about him as evidence by blaming him for the ND player fumbling against Clemson. 

But we were 6-0 in bowls with a regular season of 0 or 1 loss before Kelly! He's ruined us! Bring back the late 90s and 2000s when we just sucked instead of ruining our bowl record from a time nobody cares about or remembers. 

 
Notre Dame needs to join a conference.  If they can go undefeated in the ACC or Big10 with a conference title, then there won't be any of these doubts that they belong.  Right now, the doubts are loud because they got clobbered and their victories in the regular season are diminished in retrospect (Michigan was a fraud, USC and Stanford were bad and mediocre respectively, Florida State almost lost to Samford, etc).  Join a conference, win that conference, ????, profit. 

 
Shoot_Me_Now said:
As a fellow ND fan your hatred for Kelly is both sad and funny. If you can just admit what ND is as a program you might actually enjoy years like this year. Any given year I'd expect them to finish between 10-20 in the rankings with some up years like this year and some down years. That's what they are and that's what they will be in the near future. 

He's 0-2 in bowls after a regular season of 0 to 1 losses by the way. The three you're referencing though are against Bama/Saban, OSU/Urban, Clemson/Dabo. The horror losing to arguably the three best programs/coaches during Kelly's tenure at ND. If that's the bar, ND will be on a constant coaching carousel. Sure the games could have been closer but then you would have just whined about how Kelly can't finish a close game.

He has them about as relevant as anyone could expect and you're constantly whining about him as evidence by blaming him for the ND player fumbling against Clemson. 

But we were 6-0 in bowls with a regular season of 0 or 1 loss before Kelly! He's ruined us! Bring back the late 90s and 2000s when we just sucked instead of ruining our bowl record from a time nobody cares about or remembers. 
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I don’t hate him. I accept him for what he is: a good coach. I think ND is still capable of greatness so I think the evidence is in on his tenure. 

You’re right as far as 0-2 for big games. I should have clarified I was giving him credit for the Cincy blowout vs Florida as his third (and yes I know he didn’t coach the game). 

I haven’t given up on ND being elite again with a great coach, just like Bama didn’t give up before Saban or how Michigan fans still think Harbaugh can pull them out of their tailspin. 

Holding him accountable for the facts of his tenure doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy the seasons or root for the team. I want more for them and comparing him to three of the worst hires ever made is a recency bias. I’ll continue to root for him and the team, but I think both would be better served once he moves on. 

 
Jayded said:
I don’t hate him. I accept him for what he is: a good coach. I think ND is still capable of greatness so I think the evidence is in on his tenure. 

You’re right as far as 0-2 for big games. I should have clarified I was giving him credit for the Cincy blowout vs Florida as his third (and yes I know he didn’t coach the game). 

I haven’t given up on ND being elite again with a great coach, just like Bama didn’t give up before Saban or how Michigan fans still think Harbaugh can pull them out of their tailspin. 

Holding him accountable for the facts of his tenure doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy the seasons or root for the team. I want more for them and comparing him to three of the worst hires ever made is a recency bias. I’ll continue to root for him and the team, but I think both would be better served once he moves on. 
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Happy to hear you enjoy the ride on the good years as it doesn't come off that way in here a lot of times. They might luck into a Saban at some point but expecting it just seems like a fool's game to me. How many of him are around and how many of them what to coach at ND? How many would want to come if they run Kelly off after a relatively successful tenure? You're setting the bar at beat Bama or get out. Not exactly a welcoming message imo.

And just to note, you mention recency bias by comparing Kelly to the prior three coaches but you seem down to compare him to the 70s and 80s ND teams. Those teams aren't coming back and other fan bases are laughing at you for thinking that. I'll take the recent comparisons versus comparing him to teams that are now collecting social security checks. 

 
Shoot_Me_Now said:
Happy to hear you enjoy the ride on the good years as it doesn't come off that way in here a lot of times. They might luck into a Saban at some point but expecting it just seems like a fool's game to me. How many of him are around and how many of them what to coach at ND? How many would want to come if they run Kelly off after a relatively successful tenure? You're setting the bar at beat Bama or get out. Not exactly a welcoming message imo.

And just to note, you mention recency bias by comparing Kelly to the prior three coaches but you seem down to compare him to the 70s and 80s ND teams. Those teams aren't coming back and other fan bases are laughing at you for thinking that. I'll take the recent comparisons versus comparing him to teams that are now collecting social security checks. 
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:goodposting:

What are your thoughts on ND joining a conference?  

 
General Malaise said:
:goodposting:

What are your thoughts on ND joining a conference?  
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As a fan of a team not in a conference I've never understood the love of conferences. Locked in to the same 8 or so schools every year doesn't seem exciting to me. I'd rather blow it all up and come up with a better system that gives teams more schedule freedom. However, that's not realistic so ND should probably just get it over with and join one. 

 
Shoot_Me_Now said:
As a fan of a team not in a conference I've never understood the love of conferences. Locked in to the same 8 or so schools every year doesn't seem exciting to me. I'd rather blow it all up and come up with a better system that gives teams more schedule freedom. However, that's not realistic so ND should probably just get it over with and join one. 
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Yeah, but it does seem like ND plays some of the same schools annually already, right?  USC, Stanford, Navy are every year, then it feels like they play Michigan and Florida State quite a bit.  

I'd be all in favor of blowing it all up too and creating something different.  Joel Klatt must have been making the rounds today because on the local show here this morning the thought the Pac12 was on borrowed time and might not exist in the near future.  

 
GM - doesn’t the Pac’s tv deal expire in 2024? I have to imagine that is what he’s talking about. Their tv ratings and attendance are dismal. I could see them being disbanded. 

There was something on the ol twitters this week about how Larry Scott was looking to sell 10% of the shares in the conference to gin up 500M. That can’t be a good sign. 

 
But how they get disbanded is what I don’t get. Obviously USC would be mega-valuable. UCLA and Oregon and Washington I guess right after them? Lot of other teams would be applying for Mountain West membership though. 

 
Capella said:
GM - doesn’t the Pac’s tv deal expire in 2024? I have to imagine that is what he’s talking about. Their tv ratings and attendance are dismal. I could see them being disbanded. 

There was something on the ol twitters this week about how Larry Scott was looking to sell 10% of the shares in the conference to gin up 500M. That can’t be a good sign. 
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Champagne Larry has come under heavy fire for mismanaging money.  The Pac12 spends a TON of money on high-priced rent in the most expensive property on the west coast.  He flies everywhere in private jets, many times to places he really doesn't need to be.  And yet, the dimp licked presidents just continue to support him.  It is utterly asinine.  The Pac12 network isn't available to DirecTV customers.  He's done absolutely nothing to fix that.   Can you imagine 50% of the viewers in the south being unable to watch certain SEC games in the comfort of their own home?  There would be widespread mutiny and people getting tarred and feathered.  Literally.  But the Pac12 fans are mostly listless and just go about their lives because out here, football isn't everything, which is why it won't be any better than it is right now.  

On attendance, a few schools do okay - Oregon fans show up, so do the ones in Washington and Wazzou.  But the California schools are the very epitome of disinterest - they are the Jay Cutler of football fans:  DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN'T CAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEE.

 

 
bigmarc27 said:
I’m not sure how much I buy the academic requirements problem at ND. They recruit nationally so even if it’s 30% of 5 stars, they can still go after California 5 stars and Florida 5 stars where other schools cannot.  The bigger problem is the same on Michigan is facing. No one they’re recruiting has ever seen them as elite, and no one is going to want to live in South Bend, Indiana. This isn’t the 60s when one team was on tv every weekend and kids were willing to go there to get that exposure. Everyone is on tv, and elite talent wants to get to the NFL. 
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Michigan's problem isn't talent...it's coaching, particularly on offense.  They have not adapted to the talent they've picked up.  It's clear as day.  They aren't off by much after making the offensive line change last year.  They need a different OC imo...one who's willing to utilize the WR position and dare I say use the pass to set up the run from time to time.

 
Julian Love just declared for the NFL draft. 

We all saw what his absence meant for ND’s defense. Time for the next guy to step way up. Best of luck to Love and I’m sure he’ll be a great pro. 

 
USC is reportedly blocking new offensive cordinater Kliff Kingsbury from interviewing for head coaching positions.  He is considering resigning.  This is not looking good for USC.

 
General Malaise said:
Yeah, but it does seem like ND plays some of the same schools annually already, right?  USC, Stanford, Navy are every year, then it feels like they play Michigan and Florida State quite a bit.  

I'd be all in favor of blowing it all up too and creating something different.  Joel Klatt must have been making the rounds today because on the local show here this morning the thought the Pac12 was on borrowed time and might not exist in the near future.  
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Interesting.  The most speculation I've heard has been on the Big XII.  The Big XII dodged that bullet a few years back during the last round of expansion.  The theory is 4 megaconferences of 16 teams each.  In theory Texas ends up in the Pac 12 under that scenario.  There would also probably be some realignment within the ACC and SEC but most of the Big XII schools would likely go to the Big 10 or Pac 12.  It would put a school like Iowa State in severe peril.

 
Shula-holic said:
Interesting.  The most speculation I've heard has been on the Big XII.  The Big XII dodged that bullet a few years back during the last round of expansion.  The theory is 4 megaconferences of 16 teams each.  In theory Texas ends up in the Pac 12 under that scenario.  There would also probably be some realignment within the ACC and SEC but most of the Big XII schools would likely go to the Big 10 or Pac 12.  It would put a school like Iowa State in severe peril.
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The 4 conferences of 16 teams thing only exists because of people that like symmetry.  The B12 will stay as long as Texas stays in that conference.  If they decide to leave then I think all hell will break loose.

The ACC isn't adding anyone until Notre Dame decides to join.  Even then everyone speculates who #16 would be (WVU, UConn, Navy often mentioned).  The ACC has turned down WVU three times why would they invite them?   UConn is just laughable.  And Navy more laughable.  I can't think of a 16th school they would even add other than Texas, if they were interested.  

I could also see Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State going to the Pac and then the rest of the B12 would end up merging with the best of the AAC.   I don't see any of this happening though until Texas makes a move.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
The 4 conferences of 16 teams thing only exists because of people that like symmetry.  The B12 will stay as long as Texas stays in that conference.  If they decide to leave then I think all hell will break loose.

The ACC isn't adding anyone until Notre Dame decides to join.  Even then everyone speculates who #16 would be (WVU, UConn, Navy often mentioned).  The ACC has turned down WVU three times why would they invite them?   UConn is just laughable.  And Navy more laughable.  I can't think of a 16th school they would even add other than Texas, if they were interested.  

I could also see Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State going to the Pac and then the rest of the B12 would end up merging with the best of the AAC.   I don't see any of this happening though until Texas makes a move.
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Texas and OU would be worth something to other conferences, the rest aren't worth the powder to blow themselves to Hades.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
The 4 conferences of 16 teams thing only exists because of people that like symmetry.  The B12 will stay as long as Texas stays in that conference.  If they decide to leave then I think all hell will break loose.

The ACC isn't adding anyone until Notre Dame decides to join.  Even then everyone speculates who #16 would be (WVU, UConn, Navy often mentioned).  The ACC has turned down WVU three times why would they invite them?   UConn is just laughable.  And Navy more laughable.  I can't think of a 16th school they would even add other than Texas, if they were interested.  

I could also see Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State going to the Pac and then the rest of the B12 would end up merging with the best of the AAC.   I don't see any of this happening though until Texas makes a move.
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Yeah I agree Texas is the domino that would set it off.  A few years ago the speculation was they were headed to the Pac 12 so that's how all those suspicions started.  A lot of the issues were supposedly centered around the Longhorn Network and revenue from that.  I forget all the exact theories but it had Oklahoma and Texas sticking together and there were those who thought the SEC could poach Oklahoma State, which I kind of doubted.  It just made more sense for those schools if they were going to move to stick together.  Texas A&M already pulled the move they wanted in going it alone, and by that I mean splitting from Texas and not Missouri, over to the SEC.  And given the SEC's voting rules for new universities, it's almost impossible to gain approval for a second university within the same state anymore. Those schools like Texas A&M, Georgia, LSU, South Carolina, Florida, Kentucky will always have one another's back.  Not to mention that as a whole the conference prefers to only expand when a new television market is involved.

The SEC in a vacuum would like NC State and Va Tech I believe.  Of course that's not going to fly and certainly not without addressing other moving parts.  I learned a long time ago to never say never.  I didn't think Missouri would ever be an SEC school and yet now they are.  I took some positions in Va Tech and NC State football just on the possibility it ever does come to pass.

 
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Tom Servo said:
Texas and OU would be worth something to other conferences, the rest aren't worth the powder to blow themselves to Hades.
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Kansas basketball would be gold.  But to your point, the old rumors never accounted for a landing spot for them.  I find it hard to believe there wouldn't be a home somewhere for them.

 
Scored some free tickets to the national championship game. Haven’t gone to a football game in like 15 years. Part of me would rather just stay home, but I figure I can’t pass up something like this

 
Dickies said:
Scored some free tickets to the national championship game. Haven’t gone to a football game in like 15 years. Part of me would rather just stay home, but I figure I can’t pass up something like this
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Put them on SutbHub. Sounds like you could make tens of dollars.

 
Don't Noonan said:
USC is reportedly blocking new offensive cordinater Kliff Kingsbury from interviewing for head coaching positions.  He is considering resigning.  This is not looking good for USC.
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Interesting.  I wonder how that would effect the new verbals by McCoy and Ford yesterday.  Would they jump ship if Kingsbury left?  

 
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Interesting.  I wonder how that would effect the new verbals by McCoy and Ford yesterday.  Would they jump ship if Kingsbury left?  
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Very possible, they just just verbaled yesterday and have not signed.  I think Ford is more likely to bolt than McCoy though.

 
Dickies said:
Scored some free tickets to the national championship game. Haven’t gone to a football game in like 15 years. Part of me would rather just stay home, but I figure I can’t pass up something like this
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Why not?  Everyone else seems to be.

 
Shula-holic said:
Why not?  Everyone else seems to be.
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The biggest draw for me is that the tickets are from one of the wholesalers I do business with, who works for one of the major corporate sponsors and my tickets include a VIP pre-game mixer.  They never spare any expense, so that should be a fun time.  The actual game itself doesn't interest me much, but who knows if a national championship will ever come back here.  If I had to pay the $70 for parking and/or pay for actual tickets just to sit in the rain and watch two teams I could care less about, then I'd be a hard pass.

 
Dickies said:
The biggest draw for me is that the tickets are from one of the wholesalers I do business with, who works for one of the major corporate sponsors and my tickets include a VIP pre-game mixer.  They never spare any expense, so that should be a fun time.  The actual game itself doesn't interest me much, but who knows if a national championship will ever come back here.  If I had to pay the $70 for parking and/or pay for actual tickets just to sit in the rain and watch two teams I could care less about, then I'd be a hard pass.
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Yeah, I doubt it will after all of this

 
Dickies said:
The biggest draw for me is that the tickets are from one of the wholesalers I do business with, who works for one of the major corporate sponsors and my tickets include a VIP pre-game mixer.  They never spare any expense, so that should be a fun time.  The actual game itself doesn't interest me much, but who knows if a national championship will ever come back here.  If I had to pay the $70 for parking and/or pay for actual tickets just to sit in the rain and watch two teams I could care less about, then I'd be a hard pass.
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I don't blame you.  I'd go too if the tickets were comped and not a situation where I'd feel ok reselling.  

 
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