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2018 College Football Thread: Local man buys some teenage champions a 4 for 4 (2 Viewers)

If you look at Petrino's history, he hasn't been at one place very long and when he leaves he usually leaves a team that's on a downturn.  He doesn't recruit well so that foundation for long term success isn't being built. 

 
culdeus said:
This is a product of playing one fewer conference game. Which is stupid in and of itself. They could have made it work any number of ways. 
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Can you make it work without taking a home game from Gainesville and Athens every other year?  That's a big hurdle.

 
Marmalade said:
https://twitter.com/joelklatt/status/1061674542018379777

Joel Klatt picking on the SEC and their schedule. 
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Also an important aspect overlooked when discussing the playoffs: Alabama has benefited a few times by not only the additional cupcake above but also no conference title game. 

Alabama is awesome as is, but add in two fewer games of wear and tear to most of their competition an no kidding they look more fresh in the playoffs. 

 
gump said:
Can you make it work without taking a home game from Gainesville and Athens every other year?  That's a big hurdle.
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The geographical divison model is stupid. There have to be splits out that fix all vested interests like that. I have seen some that float a 4 division concept. 

 
culdeus said:
The geographical divison model is stupid. There have to be splits out that fix all vested interests like that. I have seen some that float a 4 division concept. 
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Maybe some way to make that work...UF/UGA aren't giving up the Jax game though, or their in-state OOC rival.

 
General Malaise said:
Wait, what?  Ducks suck.  Fine. 

OU showed they don't belong in the playoff discussion weeks ago.  

You really think this OU defense is, well...defensible?  Worthy of a final 4?  C'mon, man. You're not that myopic.  They fired their defensive coordinator so even they know they suck.  Didn't help.  They still suck.  Who are they stopping in a potential playoff matchup? Hell, who are they stopping in a potential Breastfeeder Bowl matchup?

Love your homerism and dedication to the wagon, but dude....wise up. 
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I hope Oklahoma and Ohio State get matched up in a bowl game this year. Haskins would light up their defense. And the OSU defense is in such shambles, both teams could score 70+. 

 
There’s a huge Zach Smith and Tom Herman twitter meltdown occurring. Smith accusing Herman of infidelity and who all knows what else. 

 
Marmalade said:
https://twitter.com/joelklatt/status/1061674542018379777

Joel Klatt picking on the SEC and their schedule. 
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I kind of get his point but maybe SEC teams deserve a break.

2018 strength of schedule ranking:

1LSU (8-2)11.01281

2Texas A&M (6-4)10.711142

3Georgia (9-1)10.03724

4Alabama (10-0)9.91375

5Miss State (6-4)9.758015

6Michigan St (6-4)9.35698

7Missouri (6-4)9.331083

8Penn State (7-3)9.12409

9Michigan (9-1)9.03186

10S Carolina (5-4)8.249214

11Auburn (6-4)8.042623

12Iowa State (6-3)8.01407

13Clemson (10-0)7.926916

14Florida (7-3)7.869111

15Kentucky (7-3)7.888110

 
Marmalade said:
You guys need to head to twitter and watch https://twitter.com/CoachZachSmith melt down.

I think the cheese has slipped off the cracker.    He seriously needs some meds.   Saying that Herman was cheating on his wife with an Asian masseuse.   Crazy times.
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guy beats his wife and starts lashing out at people?

par for the course. deflect, divert and try to make other people look bad/feel bad to cover up the bad #### you did.

this guys seems like a piece of ####

 
pantherclub said:
I think he deserves at least one more year.  Thats nuts that one bad year gets you canned.  Good luck finding someone as good as him.

He was 9-4 and 8-5 before Jackson
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Larry Williams‏ @LarryWilliamsTI

Finding it hard to buy this notion that Bobby Petrino was successful until this year. Entering 2018 he was 1-11 against teams that finished ranked (and that record will be something like 1-15 after this season). Also: 17-9 with Lamar Jackson doesn't seem like an accomplishment.

 
The early pages in this thread are a lot of fun to go back and read through...  you get some incredible gems about how Courtney Smith is setting up poor Zach. 

“I honestly don't know if they are real or not. But again, Courtney has filed NINE police complaints and the police have investigated them all. If the police were never given those text messages, then why the hell didn't she give the texts to the police. Or the police did get them, and they were part of the investigations that concluded insufficient evidence. 

But yeah, in the court of public opinion, aren't those texts great for making Zach look guilty?!? “

 
Mad Cow said:
About every black player on the team has taken to the social media and denied that it ever happened as he said it did.  McMurphy is a joke.
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Yeah, I have a really hard time believing other black players overlooked a white coach calling one of their teammates the N word.  

That whole 'article' was suspect.  I am not familiar with McMurphy or at least wasn't until August, but his writing borders on unethical journalism.  It's dishonest.  Does he work for a newspaper?  I can't imagine an editor worth his weight in salt would permit this sort of underhanded journalism for a newspaper.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
No idea who his sources are but I'm pretty sure McMurphy isn't just making up anything because he has it out for Ohio State or Smith.   There's plenty of evidence that Ohio State is trash though
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Oh, I don't disagree and think Zach Smith is a garbage human being (I don't think much of Meyer either).  But his latest story is full of questionable details and it just reads like another hit piece.  

This is a pretty good read on why the article is bad journalism.

He essentially has one source:  LeBron Grimes, who is a convicted felon and according to both Trevor and Leah Grimes has little to no involvement in his son's life. 

And yet, McMurphy puts an enormous amount of weight on this 'source' for his story.  It's flimsy.  

 
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Ramblin Wreck said:
No idea who his sources are but I'm pretty sure McMurphy isn't just making up anything because he has it out for Ohio State or Smith.   There's plenty of evidence that Ohio State is trash though
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You would be wrong on McMurphy in this particular case. He has something against Meyer it appears. 

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Going to need a little more than "it appears".  
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Dude, didn’t you hear?  This McMurphy guy is willing to risk his entire reputation, career, and livelihood because of that dastardly Urban Meyer. Urban just got too good and too smarmy, so we all had to bring him back down a notch or two. Luckily Brett was willing to ruin years of hard work to make sure his happened.  

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Going to need a little more than "it appears".  
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Like the player in question, who is now at UF, his mother has dismissed McMurphy and the university of Florida has asked McMurphy to leave Grimes and his mother alone. 

As far as I know, Grimes has not made a public comment but he has “liked” tweets that call the latest article bs.

Multiple players, most of them African American, have come out and said that they were present with the altercation and have stated that there was not any racial slurs being used.

McMurphys primary source is Grimes father, that is not part of the young mans life and apparently has not been for years as he was in prison. 

There’s more but that’s more than enough to cover “it appears”. 

 
So is the accusation that Meyer helped this kid and his mom commit "fraud" so he didn't have to sit out a year? WGAF

 
bigmarc27 said:
Dude, didn’t you hear?  This McMurphy guy is willing to risk his entire reputation, career, and livelihood because of that dastardly Urban Meyer. Urban just got too good and too smarmy, so we all had to bring him back down a notch or two. Luckily Brett was willing to ruin years of hard work to make sure his happened.  
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I asked earlier which paper McMurphy writes for.  From what I can gather, he doesn't.  He writes for something called WatchStadium.  Is that some bastion of journalistic import?  I've never heard of it.  :shrug:

Also, doesn't sound like Ohio State is going to just let this slide:

Urban Meyer said Ohio State is "certainly looking into legal action" against reporter Brett McMurphy of WatchStadium, per Eleven Warriors's Dan Hope.

Meyer and the University were the subject of a lengthy report released by McMurphy Tuesday morning that detailed an alleged incident where former Ohio State wide receivers coach Zach Smith called Florida receiver Trevon Grimes, a former Buckeye, the n-word during practice last September.

McMurphy details Grimes's transfer to Florida, one that his father claims was prompted by Smith calling the then-freshman wide receiver a "b---- ### n-----" before an altercation between the two at practice.

Several current members of Ohio State's football team say they saw the exchange between Smith and Trevon Grimes and dispute the claim that the n-word was ever used by the since-fired coach. Ohio State president Michael Drake also issued a statement in response to McMurphy's story, saying the school "unequivocally and vehemently disputes the unfounded allegations."

"The university told McMurphy that we have found no evidence to support these allegations," Drake added. "Reporting in this manner is irresponsible, inflammatory and a severe invasion of privacy of a student athlete and his family as well as a baseless attack on Coach Meyer."
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General Malaise said:
I asked earlier which paper McMurphy writes for.  From what I can gather, he doesn't.  He writes for something called WatchStadium.  Is that some bastion of journalistic import?  I've never heard of it.  :shrug:

Also, doesn't sound like Ohio State is going to just let this slide:
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He was at ESPN forever til they gutted their reporting in favor of talking heads. He’s also been on the audible with Stewart Mandel and Bruce Feldman of The Athletic and Fox Sports. Whether or not you believe him is up to you, but he’s as entrenched as any national college football reporter in the last 15 years. 

 
Also LOL at Ohio State bringing action against McMurphy. No way they do that because it opens them up to having to testify on these stories.  Their internal investigation from the first series of reports already showed there were huge issues with the program.

 
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bigmarc27 said:
He was at ESPN forever til they gutted their reporting in favor of talking heads. He’s also been on the audible with Stewart Mandel and Bruce Feldman of The Athletic and Fox Sports. Whether or not you believe him is up to you, but he’s as entrenched as any national college football reporter in the last 15 years. 
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Okay, but I'm curious what kind of editors he has currently because I'm not alone in thinking this story is pretty flimsy.  I can't imagine an editor at a major paper or website greenlighting this one.  

You guys really think Zach Smith called a black player a b!tch ### N word and not one other black player was bothered by it?  Find that incredibly hard to believe, especially when you consider the ONLY source being used here. 

 
I'm more interested in why he felt the need to throw Grimes' mother under the bus. What does her criminal history have to do with the transfer? 

 
General Malaise said:
Okay, but I'm curious what kind of editors he has currently because I'm not alone in thinking this story is pretty flimsy.  I can't imagine an editor at a major paper or website greenlighting this one.  

You guys really think Zach Smith called a black player a b!tch ### N word and not one other black player was bothered by it?  Find that incredibly hard to believe, especially when you consider the ONLY source being used here. 
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I don’t know either way but I know that I had never heard of Zach Smith until the Brett McMurphy story and that his reporting has directly led to Urban deleting a whole bunch of texts, getting suspended, having a huge inquiry into the entire program, and Zach Smith going unhinged in Twitter.  

If you’re asking me if the guy that went to an 11/10 on the crazy scale the past couple of months is capable of dropping an N bomb, yeah I think that’s well within the range of possibilities.  If the report is wrong, it’s wrong and Murphy’s credibility will take a huge hit and he’ll need to answer for that. 

 
Tecumseh said:
I'm more interested in why he felt the need to throw Grimes' mother under the bus. What does her criminal history have to do with the transfer? 
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Yeah, that was not germane to the matter at all.  

Journalistic standards have been vacated, like USC's national championship. 

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
No idea who his sources are but I'm pretty sure McMurphy isn't just making up anything because he has it out for Ohio State or Smith.   There's plenty of evidence that Ohio State is trash though
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He doesn't have it out for Ohio State or Smith. He has it out for Urban Meyer. 

It was after Urban Meyer said "who would make up a story like that", referring to McMurphy's first article about Zach Smith (that included the accusation that Smith had been arrested in 2015) that McMurphy now had it out of Urban on a personal level. He changed his Twitter header to Urban's "who would make up a story like that" quote and on numerous interviews he would make that Urban quote and respond to it by saying "well... I would... because it's true", despite having edited out all the stuff that wasn't true (but not citing at all that he edited the article after Urban's comment). It was obvious that Urban's comment hit a nerve with him, and he wasn't going to just let it go.  

Urban shouldn't have ever said that, despite McMurphy's article having the facts wrong. Urban handled it wrong, and that's why he got his suspension (the other reason being he should have fired Smith sooner). But Urban handling McMurphy's factually flawed story wrong doesn't justify what McMurphy has done since, which if anyone is being intellectually honest (which means putting aside the joy that he is attacking Meyer) they can easily see his stories ever since B1G media days that have gone after Meyer are suspect, highly questionable, and lack integrity as a journalist. They are clearly a personal vendetta, and not journalistic reporting. This latest story just being another example.

 
General Malaise said:
I asked earlier which paper McMurphy writes for.  From what I can gather, he doesn't.  He writes for something called WatchStadium.  Is that some bastion of journalistic import?  I've never heard of it.  :shrug:

Also, doesn't sound like Ohio State is going to just let this slide:
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There is approximately a 0% chance that Urban Meyer sues Brett McMurphy. 

That's not a defense of this latest article. Just a reality check on Urban suing him.

 
I was wrong last week when I said there is nothing worse than conference honk and strength of schedule talk. You guys can stop proving me wrong now. 

 
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