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2019-2020 NHL Season Thread (4 Viewers)

AcerFC said:
Schedule looks great. Lots of hockey. Whats not great about that. 5-6 games a night
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Actually 5-6 games all day/night ... if the reports I've seen are accurate.

Games starting at 12 p.m., 4 p.m. and 8 p.m. local time. So the Toronto games and Edmonton games will be spaced out every two hours.

And speculation is the round-robin games will be in the 4 p.m. time slot because they will be playing regular-season OT rules, so those start times are the most easy to adjust if the early game runs long, without necessarily affecting the start of the late game.

Will be curious to see how the ice holds up with three games every day.

 
Dickie Dunn said:
Actually 5-6 games all day/night ... if the reports I've seen are accurate.

Games starting at 12 p.m., 4 p.m. and 8 p.m. local time. So the Toronto games and Edmonton games will be spaced out every two hours.

And speculation is the round-robin games will be in the 4 p.m. time slot because they will be playing regular-season OT rules, so those start times are the most easy to adjust if the early game runs long, without necessarily affecting the start of the late game.

Will be curious to see how the ice holds up with three games every day.
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You are right. I used night when I should have said day. 

Being a teacher and having the summer off just got better. 

 
Anyone read the athletic article on escrow today. guy tried to dumb it down but ill be honest and say I have zero idea what he was talking about. Anyone want to explain. 

 
@SWhyno: Canadiens, Max Domi agree he should wait 7-10 days before joining team for training camp. Domi is higher risk because he’s diabetic.

 
I've been watching all kinds of hockey from the 90's for the hell of it, waiting for this season to resume. All i have to say is F Scott Stevens for ruining Eric Lindros' career. 

 
modogg said:
I've been watching all kinds of hockey from the 90's for the hell of it, waiting for this season to resume. All i have to say is F Scott Stevens for ruining Eric Lindros' career. 
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I loved Lindros. He's my age, and grew up right around the corner from me. Still have memories of playing ball hockey with him and Brett among other neighborhood kids on the streets around our houses. We all followed his career closely from the minors on the Marlboros through the juniors on the Buzzers and Generals in the OHL. While Scott Stevens' vicious hit changed the trajectory of Lindros's career -- it was his 6th concussion and 4th that year alone -- there is both a lot of blame and misconception that spread out of that hit.

In terms of blame, Lindros might shoulder some of it for starting it -- head-butting Stevens right in the kisser with the crown of his helmet back in the 95 playoffs. The Flyers' team trainers take some blame for misdiagnosing multiple Lindros' concussion (the same staff that ordered Lindros to fly back from a Predator game with a "rib injury" that turned out to be a collapsed lung, which may have been fatal had he flown).

In terms of misconceptions, that hit was also not the end of Lindros's career. He was definitely not the same dominant force but he averaged more than a point a game with the Rangers before being sidelined with injury. With the Leafs, he notched 22 points in 32 games before tearing a ligament in his wrist. He was still good, just not superb as he'd been.

It really is a shame that a player like Lindros -- so talented, so physical, so targeted from day one on the ice in the NHL -- was so marred by injury, especially concussions. The guy was a scoring machine among the greats of Gretzky, Lemieux, Stasny, and Bossy. What could have been if he had not had his bell rung so many times.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
I loved Lindros. He's my age, and grew up right around the corner from me. Still have memories of playing ball hockey with him and Brett among other neighborhood kids on the streets around our houses. We all followed his career closely from the minors on the Marlboros through the juniors on the Buzzers and Generals in the OHL. While Scott Stevens' vicious hit changed the trajectory of Lindros's career -- it was his 6th concussion and 4th that year alone -- there is both a lot of blame and misconception that spread out of that hit.

In terms of blame, Lindros might shoulder some of it for starting it -- head-butting Stevens right in the kisser with the crown of his helmet back in the 95 playoffs. The Flyers' team trainers take some blame for misdiagnosing multiple Lindros' concussion (the same staff that ordered Lindros to fly back from a Predator game with a "rib injury" that turned out to be a collapsed lung, which may have been fatal had he flown).

In terms of misconceptions, that hit was also not the end of Lindros's career. He was definitely not the same dominant force but he averaged more than a point a game with the Rangers before being sidelined with injury. With the Leafs, he notched 22 points in 32 games before tearing a ligament in his wrist. He was still good, just not superb as he'd been.

It really is a shame that a player like Lindros -- so talented, so physical, so targeted from day one on the ice in the NHL -- was so marred by injury, especially concussions. The guy was a scoring machine among the greats of Gretzky, Lemieux, Stasny, and Bossy. What could have been if he had not had his bell rung so many times.
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yeah i was watching a lot of his videos yesterday. Lyle Odeline got him good once or twice too, and Lindros definitely was the victim of some cheap shots around the league. He was all in going after guy's like Barnaby and the rest of the pests, which led him out to dry at times.

but man watching some of the fights Eric was in during his career were just nasty. The guy really knew how to handle himself well with a lot of that. i remember when he first came in and they talked about himself having to defend himself, and maybe that was what led him to so many dangerous hits. 

this was one i watched a couple of times. forgot how much of a ##### Patrick Roy could be, and poor Desjardins had to pay the price:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unJu1EW6_X0

Funny watching some of those games back then when the Flyers had Dave Brown and Berube on the team as well. Lindros could certainly handle himself and probably got sucked into too many fights:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RSIKeu2w8k 

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
I loved Lindros. He's my age, and grew up right around the corner from me. Still have memories of playing ball hockey with him and Brett among other neighborhood kids on the streets around our houses. We all followed his career closely from the minors on the Marlboros through the juniors on the Buzzers and Generals in the OHL. While Scott Stevens' vicious hit changed the trajectory of Lindros's career -- it was his 6th concussion and 4th that year alone -- there is both a lot of blame and misconception that spread out of that hit.

In terms of blame, Lindros might shoulder some of it for starting it -- head-butting Stevens right in the kisser with the crown of his helmet back in the 95 playoffs. The Flyers' team trainers take some blame for misdiagnosing multiple Lindros' concussion (the same staff that ordered Lindros to fly back from a Predator game with a "rib injury" that turned out to be a collapsed lung, which may have been fatal had he flown).

In terms of misconceptions, that hit was also not the end of Lindros's career. He was definitely not the same dominant force but he averaged more than a point a game with the Rangers before being sidelined with injury. With the Leafs, he notched 22 points in 32 games before tearing a ligament in his wrist. He was still good, just not superb as he'd been.

It really is a shame that a player like Lindros -- so talented, so physical, so targeted from day one on the ice in the NHL -- was so marred by injury, especially concussions. The guy was a scoring machine among the greats of Gretzky, Lemieux, Stasny, and Bossy. What could have been if he had not had his bell rung so many times.
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modogg said:
yeah i was watching a lot of his videos yesterday. Lyle Odeline got him good once or twice too, and Lindros definitely was the victim of some cheap shots around the league. He was all in going after guy's like Barnaby and the rest of the pests, which led him out to dry at times.

but man watching some of the fights Eric was in during his career were just nasty. The guy really knew how to handle himself well with a lot of that. i remember when he first came in and they talked about himself having to defend himself, and maybe that was what led him to so many dangerous hits. 

this was one i watched a couple of times. forgot how much of a ##### Patrick Roy could be, and poor Desjardins had to pay the price:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unJu1EW6_X0

Funny watching some of those games back then when the Flyers had Dave Brown and Berube on the team as well. Lindros could certainly handle himself and probably got sucked into too many fights:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RSIKeu2w8k 
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I keenly remember when Lindros entered the league with all the heralds he deserved from an incredible juniors career as "The Next One" -- he had the scoring prowess of a potential successor to Gretzky, but he had things Gretzky didn't -- physical toughness and aggressiveness. He could back up his shot with his fists and vice versa.

It was this extraordinary well-roundness that made him a target before day on on NHL ice. I too remember people talking about how Lindros was going to be targeted because unlike Gretzky who didn't engage physically, Lindros could and would play the heavy game. This made him open to the kinds of hits Gretzky would never take, or getting engaged physically in a way someone would have to do with Semenko or McSorely. There was an unwritten rule that you weren't physical with Gretz because he wasn't going to engage in fights. Totally not the case with Lindros and he was headhunted from the start.

This isn't to say Gretzky's jersey was always clean and he never took hits -- absolutely not the case. But players had freedom to take runs at Lindros because he was fine protecting himself, and often was a physical aggressor. And because of it, guys seemed to always be taking runs at Lindros to chop him down, take him out of games, etc. 

This 100% contributed to the concussions he received, maybe even to the injuries thanks to the constant wear-and-tear of battling day after day.

 
Lindros struck me as a guy who went after the smaller players, but shied away from the bigger guys. Maybe that's because I went to a Blues/Flyers game in the late 90's where he went after the Blues smaller players the whole game, but every time Blues enforcer Tony Twist was on the ice, Lindros refused to get near him and skated away like a pansy ### every time Twist tried to instigate some physicality.   Granted, not many wanted to mess with Twist back then (I saw him at the gym a few years later and his shoulders were as big as a house), but that left a bad taste in my mouth regarding Lindros and his alleged toughness.

 
Ghost Rider said:
Lindros struck me as a guy who went after the smaller players, but shied away from the bigger guys. Maybe that's because I went to a Blues/Flyers game in the late 90's where he went after the Blues smaller players the whole game, but every time Blues enforcer Tony Twist was on the ice, Lindros refused to get near him and skated away like a pansy ### every time Twist tried to instigate some physicality.   Granted, not many wanted to mess with Twist back then (I saw him at the gym a few years later and his shoulders were as big as a house), but that left a bad taste in my mouth regarding Lindros and his alleged toughness.
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would be a total waste for Lindros to go after Twist. Twist was a goon, losing 5 minutes of Lindros and 5 minutes of Twist is a win for Twist. He never shied away from bigger guys either, going after Scott Stevens and Chara (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AKMxEXhAjk). i didn't even realize Lindros fought Chara until i looked at the various highlights, i had no idea Chara was that old. He basically wouldn't shy from fights until later in his career (because he realized leaving the ice for 5 minutes was a win for the other team).

Twist could try to go after Lindros, and Brown or Berube would be happy to jump in and take Twist down for him

Players gunned after Lindros constantly, and knew they could get under his skin and get him to fight. i forgot about this one from Odjick until i saw it on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIEtrjrSfOI&t=110s

 
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modogg said:
would be a total waste for Lindros to go after Twist. Twist was a goon, losing 5 minutes of Lindros and 5 minutes of Twist is a win for Twist. He never shied away from bigger guys either, going after Scott Stevens and Chara (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AKMxEXhAjk). i didn't even realize Lindros fought Chara until i looked at the various highlights, i had no idea Chara was that old. He basically wouldn't shy from fights until later in his career (because he realized leaving the ice for 5 minutes was a win for the other team).

Twist could try to go after Lindros, and Brown or Berube would be happy to jump in and take Twist down for him

Players gunned after Lindros constantly, and knew they could get under his skin and get him to fight. i forgot about this one from Odjick until i saw it on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIEtrjrSfOI&t=110s
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I would normally agree, but the Flyers won the game like 6-3 and it was in the last five minutes or so when Twist was out there a lot after Lindros took runs the whole game at Blues.  Losing him at the end of a game that was already decided would have been no big deal.  He just pansied out once a tough guy tried to whole him accountable.

 
modogg said:
would be a total waste for Lindros to go after Twist. Twist was a goon, losing 5 minutes of Lindros and 5 minutes of Twist is a win for Twist. He never shied away from bigger guys either, going after Scott Stevens and Chara (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AKMxEXhAjk).
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So much this.

Twist was just over 6 feet. Lindros was 6"4. Highly doubt Lindros was intimidated by Twist whatsoever. Maybe he just wasn't worth the time.

Kinda looks exactly that way here from the body language and action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vt8-B2GIug

Lindros had no problem going toe to toe with enforcers like Bob Boughner, Barnaby, Quintal, Odeliein, Pilon, and Steve Webb, and didn't shy away from heavy hitters like Schmelik and Derian Hatcher.

Goons habitually stalked Lindros and tried to egg him on. McSorley instigated a scrap after Lindros scored a goal. When they couldn't bait Lindros, they would headhunt him like Beukeboom or just plain sucker punch him like Odjick.

 
What are the FBG thoughts on Byfield vs Stutzle?  Kings have the 2nd pick and the talk is debating between these two guys.  I know nothing about either of them.  Anybody have any thoughts on them or who is the better pick?

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
:lmao:

Lindros had 50 pounds on Barnaby. Not exactly an even match there.
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Yes, Lindros was bigger than a lot of guys. Not exactly a news flash. So what's your point?

Mine was that enforcers and instigators often targeted Lindros - and Barnaby was absolutely one of those guys known as having a specific instigator/scrapper role. Guy was very well known for that well before the NHL -- led the QMJHL in multiple seasons in PIM and carved out a goon role on the Rochester Americans before coming to the Sabres where he continued in that vein despite his relative size.

Lindros didn't limit his scraps just with guys who were barely 6 feet and 190 dripping wet.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Yes, Lindros was bigger than a lot of guys. Not exactly a news flash. So what's your point?

Mine was that enforcers and instigators often targeted Lindros - and Barnaby was absolutely one of those guys known as having a specific instigator/scrapper role. Guy was very well known for that well before the NHL -- led the QMJHL in multiple seasons in PIM and carved out a goon role on the Rochester Americans before coming to the Sabres where he continued in that vein despite his relative size.

Lindros didn't limit his scraps just with guys who were barely 6 feet and 190 dripping wet.
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He was tough but not exactly what I’d call an enforcer. More of a rat who was great at getting under people’s skin. 
 

just thought it was odd to give Lindros props for taking him on. I think just about everybody wanted a piece at some point. More impressive Barnaby didn’t turtle against him imo. 

 
bought NHL 20 for PS4 today. Excited to watch the Flyers win a few cups before they win a real one in a few months. Unfortunately i don't think the Flyers needed me as a coach/GM. This is touger than good old NHL '93

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
just thought it was odd to give Lindros props for taking him on. I think just about everybody wanted a piece at some point. 
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The first sentence misses the point. The second (if you are talking about Lindros) was part of the point, with video supporting the fact that Lindros didn't shy away from anyone looking to fight him.

If the last sentence was about Barnaby, you're likely right about that. A little like Marchand in that you hated him if he wasn't on your team, and likely loved him if he was on yours. 

 
Name, jersey, secondary logo everything is A+. Maybe I’ll adopt them as a west coast team. I want one of those jerseys. 

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
The first sentence misses the point. The second (if you are talking about Lindros) was part of the point, with video supporting the fact that Lindros didn't shy away from anyone looking to fight him.

If the last sentence was about Barnaby, you're likely right about that. A little like Marchand in that you hated him if he wasn't on your team, and likely loved him if he was on yours. 
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Not everybody who cheers for Boston likes Marchand.

The Kraken stuff is just absolutely A+, like Capella said. 

 
Seems strange to me that teams are traveling to the hubs Sunday and then playing games a few days later. The nba was holed up for quite a while before games. If a player gets a positive test on Sunday upon arrival they’ll miss the playoff games starting the next Saturday. 

 
whoknew said:
RELEASE THE KRAKEN!

I like it.

ETA: Logos are great.
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Love the name (though if I'm honest I always liked Sockeyes better) and color scheme - the pale on dark blue with coral/salmon accents are great, logos are phenomenal and like how the primary hearkens back to the original Metropolitans. The logotype might be better but whatever.

Getzlaf15 said:
Logos are good, the color is just awful.
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Disagree, I think it comes together nicely. Glad they avoided the Seahawk dark navy/lime/wolf grey green schemes so prevalent here in Seattle. The teaser video  they released yesterday totally outed the color scheme -- though I thought based on that neon yellow may be a highlight trim which would have been fugly.

 
PITTSBURGH (KDKA) – Penguins’ captain Sidney Crosby has been skating the past few days while the team prepares for the Stanley Cup Qualifiers on August 1.

Despite skating, his status for the team’s pre-playoff exhibition game against Philadelphia is unknown.

“I’m hoping that I can skate with the team Monday and take it from there, but ideally I’d be able to play in that game,” Crosby said over Zoom to reporters. “If not, just kind of go a day at a time from there.”

The NHL’s Return To Play Protocol dictates that teams cannot provide specific updates regarding injuries. Crosby left the team’s first intra-squad scrimmage on Saturday, July 18.

Since then, Crosby has been skating with the team’s skill coach before practices and on Friday, he rejoined the team at practice.

“I think the fact that I’ve been able to skate for a good chunk of time will help kind of getting through that,” he said.

 
@TomGulittiNHL: Per Capitals: ilya Samsonov sustained an injury prior to the resumption of the 2019-20 NHL season. Samsonov will not travel to Toronto and will remain in Washington to continue undergoing treatment. Team expects him to be healthy for 20/21 season.

 
2 minor complaints is the Kraken name and backstory is kinda cool, but the meme detracts from it and the color scheme just reminds me a lot of Vancouvers which is their natural rival. I think I’m thinking more of their early 2000s colors though. Still, bothers me, and that’s pretty important. 

 
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