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2019 NCAA Tourney Thread: Nation has to watch Virginia again (5 Viewers)

TheIronSheik said:
I didn't watch because I'm old and can't stay up that late on school nights.  But I get what you're saying.  I still respectfully disagree though.  I think college basketball is a much better product.  And it's ok we have different opinions.  I'm just saying there's no need to turn the NCAA into the NBA.  It's ok to have two slightly different products just like football does.
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I agree but they could fix all the fouls and replays. Nobody expects the players to be as good but the actual flow should be. 

 
Capella said:
I agree but they could fix all the fouls and replays. Nobody expects the players to be as good but the actual flow should be. 
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Yeah, many improvements need to be made. That doesnt mean they need to make it more like the NBA. The NIT changes being looked at are awful and are pretty much just copies of the NBA. 

 
Two things that really stood out to me last night were two separate flops. Amin's was just terrible and there should be some sort of strict punishment system for such a flop. Last flop like that I can remember was also an Oregon player.

Another one that stood out to me was clearly the fault of referees. Mann had the ball just beyond the top of the lane. Turned around and started to back Perkins down. Bumped him back hard like three times. Perkins remains upright pushing back, no call. On the 4th bump he flops backward to the ground. Ref blows the whistle and calls offensive foul immediately. 

That is bad reffing. The foul should be called whether the player falls down or not. People would complain for sure about calls like that,  but if the refs consistently called that and stated plainly they would, Mann wouldn't try doing it anymore.

 
parasaurolophus said:
Two things that really stood out to me last night were two separate flops. Amin's was just terrible and there should be some sort of strict punishment system for such a flop. Last flop like that I can remember was also an Oregon player.

Another one that stood out to me was clearly the fault of referees. Mann had the ball just beyond the top of the lane. Turned around and started to back Perkins down. Bumped him back hard like three times. Perkins remains upright pushing back, no call. On the 4th bump he flops backward to the ground. Ref blows the whistle and calls offensive foul immediately. 

That is bad reffing. The foul should be called whether the player falls down or not. People would complain for sure about calls like that,  but if the refs consistently called that and stated plainly they would, Mann wouldn't try doing it anymore.




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Totally. The only thing that could have caused him to react that way would be some kind of seizure or neurological problem. He should have been forced to immediately leave the game and head to a local hospital for testing. That consequence might convince people to stop the ridiculous theatrics.

 
The one thing that stood out in my mind last night was Purdue/Tennessee being full of ONIONS!!!

Stop getting up in arms about flops, monitor reviews, and refs and just enjoy the ####### game.

 
TheIronSheik said:
But I'm assuming he's basing that off of every game being a 50/50 chance, right?  
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No, Vegas win probabilities.  There is a formula that takes out the vig from the moneylines and gives you a percentage chance that team wins.

For example, you know #1 seeds have only lost once so assuming 50/50 isn't a good measure.  Usually their win probability is around 95%.  A lot easier to pick those correctly than #8/9 or underdogs.  

 
Kinda crazy to think that Gonzaga beat Baylor and Florida St. soundly without a good game from Rui, tillie, and Perkins in either game. 

Obviously Clarke went off against Baylor, but man this team is sound. 

 
Does anybody have access to the kenpom rankings from before the tourney started or even before the sweet sixteen? 

I think Texas Tech just moved up 4 spots after one game. Would like to figure out how that is even possible. 

 
parasaurolophus said:
Does anybody have access to the kenpom rankings from before the tourney started or even before the sweet sixteen? 

I think Texas Tech just moved up 4 spots after one game. Would like to figure out how that is even possible. 
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Before Sweet 16:

RkTeam

1Virginia 1

2Gonzaga 1

3Michigan St. 2

4Duke 1

5Michigan 2

6North Carolina 1

7Kentucky 2

8Texas Tech 3

9Purdue 3

10Tennessee 2

11Virginia Tech 4

12Houston 3

13Auburn 5

14Florida St. 4

15Wisconsin 5

16Iowa St. 6

17Kansas 4

18Wofford 7

19LSU 3

20Mississippi St. 5

Before Tournament:

RkTeam

1Virginia 1

2Gonzaga 1

3Duke 1

4Michigan St. 2

5Michigan 2

6North Carolina 1

7Kentucky 2

8Tennessee 2

9Texas Tech 3

10Purdue 3

11Virginia Tech 4

12Wisconsin 5

13Auburn 5

14Florida St. 4

15Houston 3

16Iowa St. 6

17LSU 3

18Louisville 7

19Wofford 7

20Mississippi St. 5

 
parasaurolophus said:
Kinda crazy to think that Gonzaga beat Baylor and Florida St. soundly without a good game from Rui, tillie, and Perkins in either game. 

Obviously Clarke went off against Baylor, but man this team is sound. 
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Rui is great and rightly gets a lot of the publicity and award nominations, but Clarke has easily been the team's best player over the course of the season.  Tillie was injured most of the year and even now has limited minutes it seems.

 
parasaurolophus said:
Two things that really stood out to me last night were two separate flops. Amin's was just terrible and there should be some sort of strict punishment system for such a flop. Last flop like that I can remember was also an Oregon player.

Another one that stood out to me was clearly the fault of referees. Mann had the ball just beyond the top of the lane. Turned around and started to back Perkins down. Bumped him back hard like three times. Perkins remains upright pushing back, no call. On the 4th bump he flops backward to the ground. Ref blows the whistle and calls offensive foul immediately. 

That is bad reffing. The foul should be called whether the player falls down or not. People would complain for sure about calls like that,  but if the refs consistently called that and stated plainly they would, Mann wouldn't try doing it anymore.
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Yellow cards in bball?

Seriously though, with everything they review, that should be one they could look at and assess a personal foul or something.

 
SpurrierisisGod said:
Yellow cards in bball?

Seriously though, with everything they review, that should be one they could look at and assess a personal foul or something.
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Hockey did it and it helped out a good amount.  I think you start calling a foul for embellishment and you'll see a lot less flopping.

 
parasaurolophus said:
Thanks for posting this. So I was off by one. Still seems a bit crazy to me that one game moves them up to 5th from 8th. 
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It's just based off the adjusted efficiency margin.  They were only .18 points behind Kentucky prior to their Michigan (great win vs #5) win and only .24 above UNC now.  If UNC has a decent win against Houston tonight, they will probably jump back above TT.

Before Sweet 16:

Rk Team AdjEM

5 Michigan 29.71

6 North Carolina 28.93

7 Kentucky 27.75

8Texas Tech 27.57

Now:

RkTeamConfW-LAdjEM

5Texas Tech 29.01

6North Carolina 28.77

7Michigan 28.32

8Kentucky 27.69

 
parasaurolophus said:
Two things that really stood out to me last night were two separate flops. Amin's was just terrible and there should be some sort of strict punishment system for such a flop. Last flop like that I can remember was also an Oregon player.
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SpurrierisisGod said:
Yellow cards in bball?

Seriously though, with everything they review, that should be one they could look at and assess a personal foul or something.
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TheIronSheik said:
Hockey did it and it helped out a good amount.  I think you start calling a foul for embellishment and you'll see a lot less flopping.
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I’ll play contrarian on this particular issue.  I don’t mind the flop, at least not where I want refs judging whether it warrants a flagrant/technical/yellow card/etc.  It doesn’t happen that often and I’d have much more disdain if there were even more reviews and games being decided by refs that feel the need to make a judgement call about whether a player sold a play too much based on a slow motion monitor review.  I mean, the refs can now call a flagrant if a player hooks another players arm while battling for a rebound.  It’s getting to be a bit silly IMO.

As for the above referenced play, Diakite was likely getting a  T regardless of the flop (though the flop locked it up), and deservedly so for needlessly coming at Amin like a tough guy and sticking his nose directly into Amin’s face.  You want to stare him down from inches away?  Go for it.  You want to shove your face into his and make continued/intentional contact because he was trying to tie you up?  Expect some theatrics and the possibility that you cost your team a couple points.  Dope. 

 
SayWhat? said:
I’ll play contrarian on this particular issue.  I don’t mind the flop, at least not where I want refs judging whether it warrants a flagrant/technical/yellow card/etc.  It doesn’t happen that often and I’d have much more disdain if there were even more reviews and games being decided by refs that feel the need to make a judgement call about whether a player sold a play too much based on a slow motion monitor review.  I mean, the refs can now call a flagrant if a player hooks another players arm while battling for a rebound.  It’s getting to be a bit silly IMO.

As for the above referenced play, Diakite was likely getting a  T regardless of the flop (though the flop locked it up), and deservedly so for needlessly coming at Amin like a tough guy and sticking his nose directly into Amin’s face.  You want to stare him down from inches away?  Go for it.  You want to shove your face into his and make continued/intentional contact because he was trying to tie you up?  Expect some theatrics and the possibility that you cost your team a couple points.  Dope. 
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I would have less issues with the flopping in the situations you describe if players had to stand at midcourt during reviews instead of huddling with their coaches.

 
Somebody please explain the YellaWood commercial with the beavers. Wouldn't they rather sharpen their teeth on wood that WASN'T treated ? Wouldn't they prefer wood that would naturally decompose in the water? 

:confused:

 
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