I agree that nothing should be changed at this point but the way I worded it made it seem like I wanted it done now. I was more meaning that it should be added to the future rules that if you get a zero in Week 18 you are eliminated regardless of the number of entries. Part of the difficulty of the contest is to navigate the first week.....advancing by default because not enough people entered shouldn't give you an advantage.Ignoratio Elenchi said:They 100% could not and should not do this or anything like it. This isn't the first time there have been fewer entries than the week 1 cutoff. It's a known feature of the contest, can't be changing the rules just because they got fewer entries than everyone expected this year.
2018 - 6782 teamsIgnoratio Elenchi said:They 100% could not and should not do this or anything like it. This isn't the first time there have been fewer entries than the week 1 cutoff. It's a known feature of the contest, can't be changing the rules just because they got fewer entries than everyone expected this year.
The regular season contest is 16 weeks long. This is the playoffs.Most years in the regular season there are no cuts in week 1. What happens if someone not cut in week 1 of the regular season contest wins the whole thing?? I find this complete whining totally baffling.
Doesn't matter, someone who "should" have been knocked out in week 1 could then go the distance.The regular season contest is 16 weeks long. This is the playoffs.
My concern isn't with 0's moving ahead. It's that there isn't an elimination of some kind in week 1 of the playoffs. That should be guaranteed. I definitely am in the camp of don't change anything this year (that would be laughable and 100 times worse).Doesn't matter, someone who "should" have been knocked out in week 1 could then go the distance.
ok ill bite. how exactly would someone have done their homework and anticipated a reduction in entries??BassNBrew said:That wouldn’t be fair to the people who did their homework and anticipated a reduction in entries
I always appreciate itJoe Bryant said:It's called out each day in the Daily Email Update which is the primary way we communicate with our Customers.
Just super interesting. We give the prize money regardless of how many enter. And I get it that it's better for you folks if fewer people enter. It's just sort of discouraging to give away that much money and so few people be interested or appreciate it. Oh well.
Based on usage may as well beZWK said:TEN PK Greg Joseph is listed as a FA.
There is no contest querier available like in the regular season contest, but after looking at a bunch by hand, I can say many of this week's lower scores will be scoring quite high in week 3, unless there are some upsets. BAL, KC, and SF are owned alot.So the games didnt fall in a helpful way for me but I have my Super Bowl guys can power me through the cuts. Could use underdogs winning the HOU and MIN games. That may let me squeeze by. Will score 7 guys this week. Max I can have score in the conference finals is only 5
-QG
The difference here is that there are restrictions on counting players that then get eliminated. Knowing that you don't have to worry about getting through week 1 would be a huge advantage in roster construction (I am not saying this was known ahead of time and I am not sure how anyone could have deduced that without insider info).Doesn't matter, someone who "should" have been knocked out in week 1 could then go the distance.
Regular season entries were down by about 17%. Contest opened on New Years Eve this year vs. New years Day, meaning we lost a day where the work surfers could find the entry form. If the number of e-mail reminders about the contest were the same, they weren't as obvious to me. Lastly, dfs interest has waned to nothing in the dfs forum. That seems like a good indicator of ff interest this late in the season.ok ill bite. how exactly would someone have done their homework and anticipated a reduction in entries??
Last year I didn't read the rules and picked all players on a bye week one, got bounced from the contest right away. Wasn't making that mistake twice. Yeah, it happens.I honestly think the alternative is actually worse from a game integrity standpoint.
The reason why I think they should change the cut format is I find it hard to believe that NONE of these entries that somehow knew to take a week1 zero had extra information. FBG is trustworthy imo but people still talk and if someone had any idea the entries had fallen off a cliff it would be pretty easy to turn in a lineup with a great chance to win.
I actually wish I did believe these 0s came from not knowing the rules.
I haveI’ve got 7 key players between the Niners & SF. Both QBs, both #1 TEs, a RB, WR & D/ST.
I have 2 packers (Adams/Lazard), 1 Texan, 1 Titan (QB) and lost 2 Bills & an Eagle. The players I lost were sacrificial lambs to help make the (now nonexistent) cut for week 1, so I don’t mourn their loss much.
i have none Saints - Vikings felt like a trap, & I said as much a couple of pages ago.
hopefully my 11 remaining players are enough to advance, and even more hopefully it’s a Ravens/Niners super bowl because that’s a fun story line (and bonus, my team is one of them)
i doubt I’ll win anything, but it’s a fun way to end the season. If it’s SF/BAL, there may be entries with more of those players. Or maybe not. Time will tell.
You are missing a key point. Entire teams don't get eliminated from the NFL if they lose week 1. Anyone who chose only from BAL, KC, SF, and GB is starting week 2 with a guaranteed $250 worth of players.Most years in the regular season there are no cuts in week 1. What happens if someone not cut in week 1 of the regular season contest wins the whole thing?? I find this complete whining totally baffling.
So what? Good for them. I had worked out a KC-SF scenario and considered doing that as well but it just wasn’t worth the risk to me. Then I replaced SF with NO and the strategy was put aside.You are missing a key point. Entire teams don't get eliminated from the NFL if they lose week 1. Anyone who chose only from BAL, KC, SF, and GB is starting week 2 with a guaranteed $250 worth of players.
Ya. After checking out the actual teams, I feel better about the situation.Last year I didn't read the rules and picked all players on a bye week one, got bounced from the contest right away. Wasn't making that mistake twice. Yeah, it happens.
I was only pointing out the huge difference between a week 1 no cut for the yearly contest vs the post season contest. @zed2283 was trying to compare the two, and there is no comparison, because players aren't eliminated from the yearly contest when their team loses in week 1.So what? Good for them. I had worked out a KC-SF scenario and considered doing that as well but it just wasn’t worth the risk to me. Then I replaced SF with NO and the strategy was put aside.
Ok, gotcha.I was only pointing out the huge difference between a week 1 no cut for the yearly contest vs the post season contest. @zed2283 was trying to compare the two, and there is no comparison, because players aren't eliminated from the yearly contest when their team loses in week 1.
As @barackdhouse already pointed out, he went back 5 years and there was a cutoff every year. I decided to take it back as far as I could find the URL's, and here we go:Ignoratio Elenchi said:They 100% could not and should not do this or anything like it. This isn't the first time there have been fewer entries than the week 1 cutoff. It's a known feature of the contest, can't be changing the rules just because they got fewer entries than everyone expected this year.
Just an FYI - There were no week 1 cuts in the regular season contest in 4 of the last 10 years (2019, 2017, 2012, and 2011).Most years in the regular season there are no cuts in week 1. What happens if someone not cut in week 1 of the regular season contest wins the whole thing?? I find this complete whining totally baffling.
Added the day New Years fell and the date the playoffs started to your post. Note how entries tend to increase the later the playoffs start and depending where the holidays fall relative to that. 2011 was the lock out year which hurt the number of subscribers. Overlay the fluctuations in the number of regular season subscriber entries and you'll get a pretty good picture.As @barackdhouse already pointed out, he went back 5 years and there was a cutoff every year. I decided to take it back as far as I could find the URL's, and here we go:
2018 - 6782 - cut was 79 Tuesday, 5th
2017 - 6679 - cut was 84 Monday, 6th
2016 - 6284 - cut was 91 Saturday, 7th
2015 - 5522 - cut was 66 Friday, 9th
2014 - 4706 - cut was 50 Thursday, 3rd
2013 - 4146 - cut was 46 Wednesday, 5th
2012 - 5005 - cut was 65 Monday, 4th
2011 - 5914 - cut was 88 Sunday, 7th
2010 - 6896 - cut was 92 Saturday, 8th
2009 - 8884 - cut was 128 Friday, 9th
I could not find numbers for 2008 or earlier. Since 2009, the cut has remained at 4000 entries, so there was no reason for the staff to change it for this year. Looking at the numbers, even the Amazing Kreskin could not have predicted 3057 entries. Entry submissions had actually risen 5 straight years.
@Ignoratio Elenchi - I know you keep past data, but do you have data prior to 2009?
Of all the people here, you seem to be the most logical as to giving reasons why there was a decline. Still, looking at your days and dates, there HAS to be more involved with such a HUGE drop. Sure, the yearly contest dropped by 17% compared to last year (12586 vs 15115), but this contest dropped 55% compared to last year (3057 vs 6782). I forgot who first mentioned it, but I think marketing may not have been what it was in year's past. I don't read my FBG e-mails all that often, so I really can't say. All I know is I love the contest, and didn't need to be reminded.Added the day New Years fell and the date the playoffs started to your post. Note how entries tend to increase the later the playoffs start and depending where the holidays fall relative to that. 2011 was the lock out year which hurt the number of subscribers. Overlay the fluctuations in the number of regular season subscriber entries and you'll get a pretty good picture.
So next year when the playoffs start on the 9th, don't be surprised when the numbers shoot up next year and use it to your competitive advantage.
Sounds good, let's do that. I clicked through alot of teams over the last few days, and don't remember seeing too many entries stacked with that many SEA players, so you still have a shot. Here are a few numbers that are on your side - over the last 4 years, the winning entry has had the following amounts of players - 7, 11, 10, 6Any chance we can move on from the conspiracy theories and actually talk about the contest going forward? This thread is always really pretty great to talk strategy and see how teams do after lock but it has seemed to turn rather dull. Can we make this thread great again?
Unfortunately for me I had Sea/NE SB. I still have a few AFC teams with 2 players each to go along with my 9 Seahawks so even if I make it I'll Prolly finish out of the running. At the rate teams fell last weekend never know how things will shake out.
With 11 counting this week I'm hopefully safe.I have a KC / SF Super Bowl with 5 players from each team - probably won't be enough even if those teams make it because I probably will be eliminated this week.
I have 2 player each from NO and PHI and one each from HOU / TEN IIRC. I'm only going to have 6 players this week and my only chance to advance is to have TEN upset BAL which only marginally helps me because that would give me 5 players in the Championship round rather than 4 players.
You'll be fine if you can get by this week and don't totally whiff on the points in the championship round (example, you have Kelce and Hill goes off while Kelce donuts). This week is always the big hurdle.I have a KC / SF Super Bowl with 5 players from each team - probably won't be enough even if those teams make it because I probably will be eliminated this week.
I have 2 player each from NO and PHI and one each from HOU / TEN IIRC. I'm only going to have 6 players this week and my only chance to advance is to have TEN upset BAL which only marginally helps me because that would give me 5 players in the Championship round rather than 4 players.
I mentioned the marketing thing. Every year we get more and more marketing e-mails in general. I've got 25000 unleaded emails in just from the last 9 months. Like you, I love these contests so I don't need a reminder. 5% or less of the FBG subscriber base is like us.Of all the people here, you seem to be the most logical as to giving reasons why there was a decline. Still, looking at your days and dates, there HAS to be more involved with such a HUGE drop. Sure, the yearly contest dropped by 17% compared to last year (12586 vs 15115), but this contest dropped 55% compared to last year (3057 vs 6782). I forgot who first mentioned it, but I think marketing may not have been what it was in year's past. I don't read my FBG e-mails all that often, so I really can't say. All I know is I love the contest, and didn't need to be reminded.
At this point, I don't think anyone is still frustrated because there isn't a cut. What's done is done. It's now up to the FBG staff to decide how they want to handle next year. I can assure you the staff doesn't want a no cut line again. It really doesn't matter in the yearly contest, but it changes EVERYTHING in this contest. Next year's thread will be all about guessing number of entries if the rules stay the same.
because it's free. You charged $35 for the new contest and got how many entries? I think the new contest played a big factor in the less entries. Each one requires some time to come up with optimal teams as picking playoff team game winners is a huge part of both and people chose the other one because of its potential.No decision now for next year.
I'm always amazed at how many people don't take advantage of the entry that's available to them. So weird.
We're literally giving away thousands of dollars and people have bought a premium subscription and can enter for free and just don't. So odd to me.
I almost missed it, had completely forgot about it, and was utterly unaware until I just happened to see this thread last week.No decision now for next year.
I'm always amazed at how many people don't take advantage of the entry that's available to them. So weird.
We're literally giving away thousands of dollars and people have bought a premium subscription and can enter for free and just don't. So odd to me.
I think you're right. We'd likely get more entries if we charged $5 for it. LOL.because it's free. You charged $35 for the new contest and got how many entries? I think the new contest played a big factor in the less entries. Each one requires some time to come up with optimal teams as picking playoff team game winners is a huge part of both and people chose the other one because of its potential.
Dang. I know that's a problem. It seems like some people think we send too much but for others, we don't send enough. I want to work on that for 2020.I almost missed it, had completely forgot about it, and was utterly unaware until I just happened to see this thread last week.
I imagine you sent out emails, but the volume of emails FBG sends out.. lost in the spam.
yep, when it's free, there's no value in it to most people.I think you're right. We'd likely get more entries if we charged $5 for it. LOL.
I'm curious....do you get meaningful results when you put up polls about such things? By which I mean is there enough of a response to believe poll results that say, for example sake, that 70% of the user community thinks too much mail and 13% thinks not enough mail? Do you have "findings" you can share?Dang. I know that's a problem. It seems like some people think we send too much but for others, we don't send enough. I want to work on that for 2020.
You have a great shot if it's KC/SF, and you will have no problem advancing to week 3I only lost two players (John Brown & Boston Scott) and have 8 counting players for this week. I scored 114 last week. I think I am in decent shape to move on for at least one more week. If Tenn, KC, Sea, and SF win then I have a good shot at surviving week 3. I have no idea if I have any shot to win anything though.
John Brown $13 15.80
Ryan Tannehill $14 9.70
Derrick Henry $15 26.90
Patrick Mahomes $36 0.00
Damien Williams $16 0.00
LeSean McCoy $10 0.00
Demarcus Robinson $4 0.00
Travis Kelce $22 0.00
Russell Wilson $26 26.75
DK Metcalf $15 29.00
Boston Scott $8 6.30
Jimmy Garoppolo $25 0.00
Raheem Mostert $14 0.00
Kendrick Bourne $11 0.00
George Kittle $21 0.00
I was mainly just talking about informal feedback I get. I try to listen a lot.I'm curious....do you get meaningful results when you put up polls about such things? By which I mean is there enough of a response to believe poll results that say, for example sake, that 70% of the user community thinks too much mail and 13% thinks not enough mail? Do you have "findings" you can share?