2020-21 NBA *Playoffs* Thread: Bucks are the champs and you can take that to the bank bromigos (3 Viewers)

[mr. furley]

until one can establish that Anteaternintendo can be told what to do, real PGs are superfluous, if not jusplain in the way. that was the reason for Jrue in the 1st place - a non-ball-dominant point so the Freak could rule the world from the top of half-court. in one series Giannis has proved that he wont trash a disastrous FT regimen, play the post or guard the other team's big. that's where 95% of the fixing lives

i don't think i've read or heard any suggestions that Giannis is somehow uncoachable, or not working on his game. he strikes me as a guy who wants it really badly, but for whom it's not natural at all.

he's a grinder in a superhuman body that lacks that natural sports coordination or "it". (eta: having a hard time putting it in to words. it's that sort of innate understanding of how to move athletically and pick up sports that some kids have naturally and some don't.. that sort of free flowing, fluidity when they pick up a glove/stick/ball and are just good at it)

and i don't think anyone wants him running the offense.. unless the offense is just "let Giannis try to dunk on every possession".

 

[identikit]

Lots of openings.

Hopefully we get new blood, not more retreads.

 

[wikkidpissah]

i don't think i've read or heard any suggestions that Giannis is somehow uncoachable, or not working on his game. he just had such a long way to go from where he was that he's got holes in his game still.

and i don' think anyone wants him running the offense.. unless the offense is just "let Giannis try to dunk on every possession".

Giannis is on all my dynasty teams because i saw the raw skills early and have always loved his love of the game and i've always appreciated his loyalty to a small-market city. but the game is changing, he knows he's the Hinge, he knows the leverage the Hinge has on other teams and, while i dont see him being difficult, i see him staring right thru Bud or anyone who doesnt do what he can do telling him how to do what he does best or when to do what, hence the evidence i've already laid out

 

[caustic]

John Gambadoro @Gambo987

My understanding is Chris Paul was vaccinated along with several other players back in February at the Fairgrounds.

10:18 AM · Jun 16, 2021

 I imagine he'll be back for the next series then, unless he got a really unlucky breakthrough case.

 

[identikit]

Pro basketball is more psychology than game plans imo.

If you don't utilize the former, then the latter isn't going to be very effective.

I think it's been a steady trend for quite a while now.

Guys like Riley and Jackson were fairly adept at reaching the guys who ultimately won or lost games.

 

[Navin Johnson]

my sense is that the days of white guys telling ballers anything are coming to a close and, if that sweeps the tired-and-true guys out of the game, i'm all for it

Hey white guy, they don't call themselves ballers anymore.

 

[caustic]

John Gambadoro @Gambo987

My understanding is Chris Paul was vaccinated along with several other players back in February at the Fairgrounds.

10:18 AM · Jun 16, 2021

 I imagine he'll be back for the next series then, unless he got a really unlucky breakthrough case.

...Oh no.

John Gambadoro @Gambo987

Chris Paul did have a positive test.

11:17 AM · Jun 16, 2021

 

[Alex P Keaton]

...Oh no.

John Gambadoro @Gambo987

Chris Paul did have a positive test.

11:17 AM · Jun 16, 2021

Makes sense.  Sounds like he got the J&J single dose.  

 

[identikit]

Call me cynical.  Or optimistic.

The NBA will make sure C3P doesn't miss a game due to this.

 

[Insein]

John Gambadoro @Gambo987

My understanding is Chris Paul was vaccinated along with several other players back in February at the Fairgrounds.

10:18 AM · Jun 16, 2021

 I imagine he'll be back for the next series then, unless he got a really unlucky breakthrough case.

Call me cynical.  Or optimistic.

The NBA will make sure C3P doesn't miss a game due to this.

He won't. That's why indefinite means "Whenever we decide to reinstate him."

 

[Navin Johnson]

That never, ever would get called there. 

Yeah, I'm a big believer that this should be called all the time, or at least whenever it produces an advantage, and it never is.

 

[caustic]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania

Clippers fear All-NBA star Kawhi Leonard has suffered an ACL injury, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. He is out indefinitely.

11:48 AM · Jun 16, 2021

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Yeah, I'm a big believer that this should be called all the time, or at least whenever it produces an advantage, and it never is.

Right.  But was it reviewable, especially because there was another foul (albeit intentional) on the play?  I have seen on a few occasions this season where something was being reviewed, and the refs added another foul or made some other decision not related to the specific call asked for review.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania

Clippers fear All-NBA star Kawhi Leonard has suffered an ACL injury, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. He is out indefinitely.

11:48 AM · Jun 16, 2021

This thing is trending toward an anti-climactic ending.

 

[thecatch]

The Suns may very well win a title this year. That’s nuts. They were 26-39 going into the bubble last year. 

 

[Navin Johnson]

Right.  But was it reviewable, especially because there was another foul (albeit intentional) on the play?  I have seen on a few occasions this season where something was being reviewed, and the refs added another foul or made some other decision not related to the specific call asked for review.

I think they can only review whistles, boundaries, and flagrants.  If the contact in question wasn't called, it can't be reviewed.

 

[Capella]

The Suns may very well win a title this year. That’s nuts. They were 26-39 going into the bubble last year. 

In hindsight though that 8-0 bubble run was really telling. 

 

[mr. furley]

This thing is trending toward an anti-climactic ending.

are you ready for Joe Harris to be Finals MVP? 

 

[Desert_Power]

Text from a buddy: "CP out, Kawhi out, SVG fired. Brooks fired. So that is 4 open coaching positions? Crazy day"  

 

[caustic]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania

Mavericks GM Donnie Nelson and the franchise have decided to part ways, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

12:57 PM · Jun 16, 2021

 

[CletiusMaximus]

maybe i'm crazy, but perhaps it's finally time to let Brooks and Van Gundy ride off in to the sunset in favor of younger assistants who should be given a chance?

VanGundy has had an absolutely stunning (for me) career arc.  One year at Wisconsin where he took a very promising team lead by senior Michael Finley to a bottom finish in the Big Ten, and he parlayed that into a job with the Heat and a 25 year NBA coaching career.  I know he made the finals that one season when Dwight Howard was on top of the world.  Just incredibly impressive to me this guy managed to keep this thing going this long on nothing but smoke and mirrors.

 

[wikkidpissah]

VanGundy has had an absolutely stunning (for me) career arc.  One year at Wisconsin where he took a very promising team lead by senior Michael Finley to a bottom finish in the Big Ten, and he parlayed that into a job with the Heat and a 25 year NBA coaching career.  I know he made the finals that one season when Dwight Howard was on top of the world.  Just incredibly impressive to me this guy managed to keep this thing going this long on nothing but smoke and mirrors.

wasnt he one of the guys who realized, only 15-20 yrs after the rule change, that three points was actually one more point than two points (befitting one who rose up from the basketball juggernaut that is the Vermont state college system) and adjusted accordingly, putting himself a decade ahead of everybody else?

 

[Capella]

wasnt he one of the guys who realized, only 15-20 yrs after the rule change, that three points was actually one more point than two points (befitting one who rose up from the basketball juggernaut that is the Vermont state college system) and adjusted accordingly, putting himself a decade ahead of everybody else?

Yea he was way way way ahead of everybody else with the 3 point game. Got a mediocre 2009 Magic team to the finals with that offense. Now that everybody has caught up maybe he’s not the same coach but he was on a run there for a while. 

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Pro basketball is more psychology than game plans imo.

If you don't utilize the former, then the latter isn't going to be very effective.

I think it's been a steady trend for quite a while now.

Guys like Riley and Jackson were fairly adept at reaching the guys who ultimately won or lost games.

I'm surely showing my age and almost certainly wrong, but I can't help noting that Riley and Jackson both wore power suits with rolex and big rings, both cut imposing figures on the bench.  Its hard seeing Bud in that team-issued track suit trying to get Giannis to stop jacking 3's early in the shot clock in a playoff game.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

I watched every single Pels game this year. SVG seems like a likable and personable coach, but his clock management was as bad as any I have ever witnessed, particularly for the pros. He came to us hyped as a defensive specialist, and while I know NBA defense is almost non-existent these days, ours was abhorrent. And his substitutions were often questionable as well. He'd have players in at the clutch moments at the end of games that had repeatedly proven they couldn't handle the pressure. We lost so many games in the waning moments (usually after holding a decent lead), just throwing errant passes or taking ill-advised shots. It was peak frustration as a fan.

I'm not sad to see him go. I have no idea who they might be able to get, but it couldn't be much worse, IMO. 

ETA: just heard them talking about this on the radio. We lost a league-high 14 games after holding a double-digit lead  

 

[dickey moe]

https://twitter.com/DanCanobbio/status/1404936044408094722 

 Made my week.

Those dopes will never live this down. 

 

[caustic]

Frosty, don't read this.

Everyone else:

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn

Charlotte Hornets guard LaMelo Ball has been voted the NBA’s Rookie of the Year, sources tell ESPN. Announcement expected soon.

1:40 PM · Jun 16, 2021

 

[Navin Johnson]

Pro basketball is more psychology than game plans imo.

If you don't utilize the former, then the latter isn't going to be very effective.

I think it's been a steady trend for quite a while now.

Guys like Riley and Jackson were fairly adept at reaching the guys who ultimately won or lost games.

Not disagreeing with you but when is the last time either of those guys coached? 

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Marc Stein

@TheSteinLine

·

4h

Pelicans assistant coach Teresa Weatherspoon is expected to emerge as a candidate to replace Stan Van Gundy in New Orleans, league sources say.

I will say this... People around the Pels organization really like her. She got promoted to full assistant last year. And she was a hell of a baller herself back in the day. She knows the game. Just don't know about her coaching chops. 

 

[scoobus]

First Jerami Grant, now Anthony Edwards.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

and the other Pels names in the running as of right now:

Adrian Wojnarowski

@wojespn

·

4h

In search for a replacement, Pelicans are expected to circle back among some candidates from a year ago, including assistants Jacque Vaughn and Ime Udoka (Brooklyn), Charles Lee (Milwaukee) and Jason Kidd (Lakers), sources tell ESPN.

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[Frostillicus]

Frosty, don't read this.

Everyone else:

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn

Charlotte Hornets guard LaMelo Ball has been voted the NBA’s Rookie of the Year, sources tell ESPN. Announcement expected soon.

1:40 PM · Jun 16, 2021

What a joke.

 

[thecatch]

What a joke.

I know. I mean, Halliburton played almost the entire season. 

 

[Jayrod]

Marc Stein

@TheSteinLine

·4h

Pelicans assistant coach Teresa Weatherspoon is expected to emerge as a candidate to replace Stan Van Gundy in New Orleans, league sources say.

I will say this... People around the Pels organization really like her. She got promoted to full assistant last year. And she was a hell of a baller herself back in the day. She knows the game. Just don't know about her coaching chops. 

Kara Lawson is also a top option for Boston.  Becky Hammon's name is getting thrown around as well.  If there isn't a female coach hired this year, could easily be just a season or two away.

Curious to know what the players would honestly think.  The NBA is more progressive than the other pro leagues, but it still feels like a big leap to make in the hyper-macho environment of professional men's sports.

 

[Moe.]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania

Mavericks GM Donnie Nelson and the franchise have decided to part ways, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

12:57 PM · Jun 16, 2021

Looks like Haralabos is out in Dallas too. No surprise after the reports that he and Luka didn’t get along. 

 

[Moe.]

Pelicans should bring in Scotty, he deserves another shot with a young and talented roster. It’ll work this time for sure. 

 

[identikit]

Not disagreeing with you but when is the last time either of those guys coached? 

I just used some older examples.  I think Kerr is a lot like them too. 

 

[mr. furley]

Looks like Haralabos is out in Dallas too. No surprise after the reports that he and Luka didn’t get along. 

Cubes may think otherwise

 

[wikkidpissah]

perhaps the demographic who invented "i'm not hearing that" can do sumn about it....

 

[Alex P Keaton]

What a joke.

Appreciate your dedication to the cause, as misguided as it may be.

 

[Frostillicus]

Appreciate your dedication to the cause, as misguided as it may be.

This is worse than when Ben Simmons won rookie of the year. 

 

[Desert_Power]

Frosty, don't read this.

Everyone else:

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn

Charlotte Hornets guard LaMelo Ball has been voted the NBA’s Rookie of the Year, sources tell ESPN. Announcement expected soon.

1:40 PM · Jun 16, 2021

Finally

 

[Chris B.]

Ugh, I watched a season of Clipper basketball for it all to end like this...
#theresalwaysnextyear

 

[Moe.]

Cubes may think otherwise

Parts of that report are pretty silly (the part about Voulgaris dictating minutes to Carlisle is unfathomable) but I bet the Luka not liking him stuff is legit. 

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Lebron tweeting that all the injuries are due to coming back too soon from the bubble. 
 

Not sure which injuries would be attributable to something like that. 
 

Not to mention that the players were off from March to July/August and that the regular season was truncated by 10 games and “load management” for certain guys ….

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Great news for the Wiz!

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn

Washington and coach Scott Brooks couldn't come to an agreement on a new deal and are agreeing to part ways, sources tell ESPN. Brooks' deal expired after the playoffs.

10:26 AM · Jun 16, 2021·

Probably gave him a low ball offer so they could say "couldn't come to an agreement".  Brooks is a good guy. He's just not much of a coach.  He couldn't win it all with Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka, and Fisher in 2012.  He couldn't win it all with Durant, Westrbook, Ibaka, Adams, and Kanter in 2014.  He's had good rosters and didn't get it done.

Rumors persist the Wiz never spent more than 15 mins practicing defense.  He has stunted the growth of Rui, Deni, and others right before our eyes.  Heck, he kept Harden coming off the bench for 3 f*ing seasons in OKC.  He hates young players cause he has no idea how to make them better unless they are already awesome (Durant).  Harden averaged 12 pts per game under Brooks.  He averaged over 26 each season the next 6 years in HOU.  It's like he didn't even know Harden was good.  Which is why Ish Smith from his OKC teams is of course getting playing time at age 35 w the Wiz.  Go w the old dude rather than figure out how to get the young guys involved.

Bradley Beal stood up for Brooks.  But Bradley Beal's 2 pro coaches have been Brooks and Randy Whitman.  So yeah, Brooks seems good when you roll him up against Randy Whitman.  He only played one college season, and I'll grant that that was for Donovan who is a really good coach.  But still, Beal has no point of reference when backing Brooks as coach.  I think he's just scared the next coach will make him play defense for more than 5 mins a game.

They don't immediately get better with this move.  They need to hire someone that can 1) coach D; 2) can coach up young players; 3) has an offense that involves more than 2 players.

I think the GM did a good job this year.  Hoping he makes the right hire.

 

[AAABatteries]

I got my drinks in ahead of time so when the Hawks are getting hammered at halftime I can just go to sleep.

 

[identikit]

I got my drinks in ahead of time so when the Hawks are getting hammered at halftime I can just go to sleep.

Just like last game?

 

[trader jake]

Lots of openings.

How many of the top coaching candidates will wait to see what happens with the Bucks in the next week?

Just incredibly impressive to me (Van Gundy) managed to keep this thing going this long on nothing but smoke and mirrors.

Van Gundy is very good on television at least.

I know NBA defense is almost non-existent these days

I read this occasionally on the board, and I just don't think it's true...at all.  Considering the rules now, the defense being played in the NBA playoffs may be the best it's ever been.

 

[identikit]

How many of the top coaching candidates will wait to see what happens with the Bucks in the next week?

Van Gundy is very good on television at least.

I read this occasionally on the board, and I just don't think it's true...at all.  Considering the rules now, the defense being played in the NBA playoffs may be the best it's ever been.

Is he better than Jeff?  ( I don't think he's very good at all)