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Opie said:
I think I did answer it when I said that a political party combining with an INCUMBENT'S own reelection effort for office is neither odd, rare, or illegal.  As I said earlier, this move will not render a single Republican vote moot.  Can you say the same for Hillary and the DNC in 2016?

We're talking PRIMARIES here...and last I heard, President Trump defeated 15 candidates in the 2016 primaries, without the help of anyone.

Exactly how many Democrat candidates did the DNC back financially in the 2012 election when the INCUMBENT (Obama) ran for reelection?
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So just to be clear- you were given a link to an article literally titled "Trump launches unprecedented reelection machine" and whose first two sentences read:

"President Donald Trump is planning to roll out an unprecedented structure for his 2020 reelection, a streamlined organization that incorporates the Republican National Committee and the president’s campaign into a single entity.

It’s a stark expression of Trump’s stranglehold over the Republican Party: Traditionally, a presidential reelection committee has worked in tandem with the national party committee, not subsumed it."

You were also given a link noting that South Carolina is considering canceling its primary, which to my knowledge is also unprecedented (Dems held primaries in all 50 states and the territories in 2012).

Your response to all of this, which makes it very clear that the measures the RNC and other Republicans are taking to quell opposition to Trump in 2020 are very unusual, is to claim that the arrangements are neither odd nor rare before turning to an irrelevant rant about Hillary Clinton.

Man, I don't know why Trump supporters have such a bad reputation for ignoring facts and being obsessed with Clinton!

 
Henry Ford said:
Trump beat Ted Cruz. 
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Cruz beat Trump badly in the Texas primary. Cruz won his previous Senate bid by 16%. Beto v the Zodiac Killer had something like a 20% increased turnout IIRC over the previous midterm. Beto raised over $70 Mil.

He's a good candidate. Think he's definitely in the top group right off the bat.

 
A Democratic candidate not being able to win a state-wide election Texas isn't much of an indictment against them. That time is indeed coming but for now Texas Republican voters are consistent and they turn out.

 
Trump won all the Red states like Texas plus much of the Rust belt. I don’t see anyone  pushing the Green New deal or saying we should perhaps tear down some existing wall on our border winning any Rust belt or any Red States. We need a candidate who can win the Purple states

 
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TobiasFunke said:
So just to be clear- you were given a link to an article literally titled "Trump launches unprecedented reelection machine" and whose first two sentences read:

"President Donald Trump is planning to roll out an unprecedented structure for his 2020 reelection, a streamlined organization that incorporates the Republican National Committee and the president’s campaign into a single entity.

It’s a stark expression of Trump’s stranglehold over the Republican Party: Traditionally, a presidential reelection committee has worked in tandem with the national party committee, not subsumed it."

You were also given a link noting that South Carolina is considering canceling its primary, which to my knowledge is also unprecedented (Dems held primaries in all 50 states and the territories in 2012).

Your response to all of this, which makes it very clear that the measures the RNC and other Republicans are taking to quell opposition to Trump in 2020 are very unusual, is to claim that the arrangements are neither odd nor rare before turning to an irrelevant rant about Hillary Clinton.

Man, I don't know why Trump supporters have such a bad reputation for ignoring facts and being obsessed with Clinton!
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Declared Republican opponents to President Trump's reelection

BIll Weld (VP on Johnson ticket)

Let's look at POSSIBLE REPUBLICAN opposition to President Trump in a 2020 primary...

Kasich

Flake

Sesse

Wow....yeah, let's see some effort here....like all of the qualified Democrats who lined up to run against Obama in the 2012 primaries!

The Democrats can't unseat him....maybe we can get some help from the Republican Party.

 
lazyike said:
Trump won all the Red states like Texas plus much of the Rust belt. I don’t see anyone  pushing the Green New deal or saying we should perhaps tear down some existing wall on our border winning any Rust belt or any Red States. We need a candidate who can win the Purple states
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Bernie and his socialist policies are actually fairly popular in those purple states. Those states want solutions, not "this is fine" I was saying in 2015/16 to my democratic friends that they shouldn't be surprised when some people who supported Bernie end up voting for Trump. He draws in a larger crowd than the traditional Democratic party because he speaks to the problems that so many working class people have. They certainly won't agree with all of his ideas and policies, but they think he's honest, consistent, and willing to fight for them. Hell, Trump only convinced a lot of people of that last one and he's still got his ardent supporters despite everything that has happened. 

 
Opie said:
Declared Republican opponents to President Trump's reelection

BIll Weld (VP on Johnson ticket)

Let's look at POSSIBLE REPUBLICAN opposition to President Trump in a 2020 primary...

Kasich

Flake

Sesse

Wow....yeah, let's see some effort here....like all of the qualified Democrats who lined up to run against Obama in the 2012 primaries!

The Democrats can't unseat him....maybe we can get some help from the Republican Party.
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None of these Republicans are going to pose any kind of threat to Trump. 

 
lazyike said:
Trump won all the Red states like Texas plus much of the Rust belt. I don’t see anyone  pushing the Green New deal or saying we should perhaps tear down some existing wall on our border winning any Rust belt or any Red States. We need a candidate who can win the Purple states
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I cannot abide a progressive party becoming conservative just to stay electable. I understand you are a conservative and that's cool. I'm curious why you don't try to fix your own party instead of further breaking the Democrats.

 
Opie said:
Declared Republican opponents to President Trump's reelection

BIll Weld (VP on Johnson ticket)

Let's look at POSSIBLE REPUBLICAN opposition to President Trump in a 2020 primary...

Kasich

Flake

Sesse

Wow....yeah, let's see some effort here....like all of the qualified Democrats who lined up to run against Obama in the 2012 primaries!

The Democrats can't unseat him....maybe we can get some help from the Republican Party.
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Just to be clear, your argument is that rigging is fine as long as a lead candidate is heavily favored?

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Meh.  He came closer in Texas than anyone else has in a long time, and the Dems don't need to win Texas to win the Presidency.  In terms of electability, he strikes me as one of the stronger Democrats in the field.
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I know it's not a long list, but there's a history of Republicans being able to win the Presidency without winning statewide election in their own state. 

There is no such history for Democrats.  No Democrat has ever been elected President without having previously won a statewide election. 

 
Henry Ford said:
I know it's not a long list, but there's a history of Republicans being able to win the Presidency without winning statewide election in their own state. 

There is no such history for Democrats.  No Democrat has ever been elected President without having previously won a statewide election. 
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Yeah this seems like one of those stats that’s just due to inadequate sample size.

 
Opie said:
like all of the qualified Democrats who lined up to run against Obama in the 2012 primaries!
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They didn’t, because that’s usually the sign of a weak presidency. So, Ford 76, Carter 80, LBJ 68 (of course he resigned with honor), Taft 12. When it happens it’s a very bad sign for the incumbent. Which is likely why the RNC would like to call the primaries off altogether.

 
Dedfin said:
I cannot abide a progressive party becoming conservative just to stay electable. I understand you are a conservative and that's cool. I'm curious why you don't try to fix your own party instead of further breaking the Democrats.
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The Republican party under this President is beyond repair. I am just going along with the George Will theory of teaching Republicans a lesson for hitching their wagon to Trump. I think the best way is to give Trump a real thumping...not just win by a percentage point or two. I think the best way is to do that is with a moderate Democrat.

 
Oh, and if Cruz crushed Trump in the Texas primary (43% to 26%) what's the word for what Trump did to Cruz in the New York primary (59% to 14%)?

 
the moops said:
You are kinda all over the place here good buddy. 

Trump lost badly to Cruz in TX

Trump lost badly to Clinton in NY

Beto lost a close race to Cruz in TX

Beto losing a close race to Trump in TX means what to you?
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Beto losing a close race to Cruz in TX means he hasn't shown he can win an election larger than a House district.  That's a problem for me.

Whether or not he would lose a close race to Trump in TX has not yet been shown.

And Trump beat the absolute hell out of Cruz in NY.

 
Henry Ford said:
Beto losing a close race to Cruz in TX means he hasn't shown he can win an election larger than a House district.  That's a problem for me.

Whether or not he would lose a close race to Trump in TX has not yet been shown.

And Trump beat the absolute hell out of Cruz in NY.
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What is your rough estimate of which Democratic candidates are most electable and least electable?

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
What is your rough estimate of which Democratic candidates are most electable and least electable?
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I haven't really ranked them as of yet.  I think Beto is somewhere around the middle of the pack right now.  Until the weird staff abuse articles I thought Klobuchar was far and away the most electable.

 
He even dropped the "I was born for this" cliche. Gimme pretty much anyone but this clown and the Dems will get my vote. Some will be harder to pull the lever for but he's the one candidate I refuse to vote for.

 
Mr Anonymous said:
Look, there's no fathomable way the guy doesn't get my vote over Trump but I'm really hoping the Democratic nominee is someone else.
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Mr Anonymous said:
He even dropped the "I was born for this" cliche. Gimme pretty much anyone but this clown and the Dems will get my vote. Some will be harder to pull the lever for but he's the one candidate I refuse to vote for.
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Tough month, I guess?

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Just to be clear, your argument is that rigging is fine as long as a lead candidate is heavily favored?
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Both the Republican and Democrat parties want the Office...and only the Office

You are looking at it as anyone in the "anyone but Trump" camp sees it and you would like to see the Republican party waste time and money on "anyone but Trump".  The Republican party (most of it anyway) is going to back the candidate that gives them the best chance to take the Office.

I am still waiting for that list of Democratic hopefuls who were given money, time, and effort by the DNC for their 2012 campaign against Obama.

Again...the DNC RIGGED an election during an OPEN primary in which an incumbent was not a candidate.

IF the Republicans pull the same chit in 2024...start a thread.

 
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I will say that if he runs a mid-range but successful campaign it would probably boost his chances of taking out Cruz four years later in Texas or a good shot at the VP.  Not sure if it would even come close to getting him a shot against Cornyn in 2020 if he drops out.

 
Mr Anonymous said:
I discovered all the ways his "fakeness" went beyond just his strategic use of a nickname.
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Were you the one pushing this whole made up "strategic use of nickname" several months ago?

Its ludicrous. People use different nicknames in different company and in different professions. He clearly had this nickname from his childhood. And has clearly used it at different times since his childhood. 

 
He seems to be a little quirky with his movie and road trip a few months ago, but maybe that will play in Peoria. Not sure if its good to publicize you had to convince your family to support your decision to run.

 
Opie said:
Both the Republican and Democrat parties want the Office...and only the Office

You are looking at it as anyone in the "anyone but Trump" camp sees it and you would like to see the Republican party waste time and money on "anyone but Trump".  The Republican party (most of it anyway) is going to back the candidate that gives them the best chance to take the Office.

I am still waiting for that list of Democratic hopefuls who were given money, time, and effort by the DNC for their 2012 campaign against Obama.

Again...the DNC RIGGED an election during an OPEN primary in which an incumbent was not a candidate.

IF the Republicans pull the same chit in 2024...start a thread.
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You have a pretty hard time answering straight questions. If Kasich gets in Vs Trump he will start higher than Sanders did in 2016.

 
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