NCCommish
Footballguy
Have you met me? Yeah it was. Obama was a pretty face on terrible policies that all of the sudden people hate because rodeo clown Trump does them. At least be intellectually honest.
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NCCommish
Footballguy
They dont have 1/10 of his credibility on the issues.
Oh and you might want to inform all the young minority folk I see st his rallies that they are supposed to dislike him and be for the flavor of the month.
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Never said Hillary was a great candidate or ran a great campaign. All that I said still stands though. Hopefully, he (and you) learned from what happened in 2016.
Obama was an above average president who now looks like the greatest president in US history when compared to his predecessor. Beto would GLADLY take people thinking he's another Obama.
NCCommish
Footballguy
NCCommish
Footballguy
I think we both learned we have to work twice as hard. Was that the lesson you meant?
I don't care which democratic candidate gets the current guy out of office, but saying he's like Obama will likely help any candidate win. You realize that Obama could have ran a thiurd term and won just as decidedly, right? The only reason Donald Trump isn't still bankrupting casinos and banging porn stars is because Obama couldn't run any more.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Actually its because the DNC did everything in its power to put its thumb on in the scale for the most disliked candidate they have ever run in history. It didn't help that they and Hillary went out of their way to make Trump the nominee because "they could beat him". Classic misreading of the room along with a huge side of hubris.
NCCommish
Footballguy
I'm sure it was unintentional and no one even for a moment took into consideration how well Bernie does in those age groups when putting together the poll.
caustic
Footballguy
Is your excuse loaded and ready for if Bernie gets knocked out this time, too? Or might you possibly lose with grace and still support the party?
NCCommish
Footballguy
I support many Democrats. The ones that aren't bought specifically. But I don't play team politics or lesser evil. Lesser evil is still evil and it got us Trump. So just because you put a D besides someone's name doesn't mean I will support them. What are their policies? Do they spend all their time raising money from big donors/corporations? What does their actual record show? Those answers mean way more to me than some letter.
As for Bernie losing. If he does fairly that's fine. If they cheat again and remember they admitted in court they did and said ti was their right to do so then not so fine.
Problem is, you and your Bernie cult are still bitter about 2016 and will undoubtedly never admit that he lost fairly and squarely when it happens in 2020. I can just tell by the tone of his supporters. This is the revenge tour.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
I will be thrilled to vote for any of the Democratic candidates in the general election, whether it's Bernie, Biden, Beto, or anyone else.
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Footballguy
roadkill1292
Footballguy
This and I urge highly principled gb NCC to do the same. The Dem machine may be sneaky and dirty sometimes but nothing is more important than beating Trump and that's gonna take all of us.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Is this the same room where Donald Trump won the Presidency? That guy was an even bigger longshot.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
NCCommish
Footballguy
Please dont generalize about me. I do the research, I look at the evidence and I make my own decisions. I decide what I think. Not some party, not some newscast, YouTube channel or poster on the interwebs. Just me doing me.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Yes there are more important things than that. There is our very democracy. It is being sold to the highest bidders and many Democrats have their hands out as well. Trump is bad. But he isn't the disease he's a symptom.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
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Footballguy
Sure. Bernie also won lots of theoretical matchups in various state polls.
Liberals love ideas.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
I get myself in hot water pretty much daily around here for being combative about ideas for advancing democracy and I hope I have been appropriately critical of the party machine in the process. But we have an existential problem facing us right now that has to be dealt with first.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Of those two today I would be less likely to sit out on Harris. See this is complicated. How do we look in the Senate races? How do we look congressionally? I'm actually far more worried about state and local races this cycle due to 2020 being map draw year. I actually put quite a bit of thought into this and what all the variables add up to.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I don’t have a problem with people not liking how some Bernie supporters reacted because I agree with that but 1. Don’t put that on Bernie - he did as much or more than previous runners-up. 2. Don’t act like that was most Bernie supporters - it wasn’t. And most importantly 3. Stop acting like THAT is the reason Hillary lost - it’s bull####. It’s on the list but is so far down that it’s silly. Bernie has said repeatedly that defeating Trump is the goal.
And to clarify, this list isn’t directed at you per se.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Then win the Senate and hold the Congress. Win your statehouse and governor. Elect people that want to roll back the imperial presidency while everyone hates the guy in there. He can't do anything without all those other things.
the moops
Footballguy
NCCommish
Footballguy
He hadn't as of yesterday. Oh he released a total. But not how many donors, average donation amount or any of that. And that's the important stuff.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
This is sort of bypassing some of the problems we are currently having in American democracy. A party representing 30% of the electorate can control the Senate. Congressional districts are gerrymandered to the nth degree. State legislative districts (you of all people should know this) are often drawn up in the most unfair method to the most people.
The whole system is being held together with baling twine and bubble gum. I don't know what it is but it ain't a modern democracy.
Yeah, my guess is that it's because Beto exceeded expectations and topped Bernie's first-day fundraising, and he was manipulating the timing of the release in order to get more coverage.
Since my first guess doesn't count, I guess I'm stumped.
Bingo! This is how the entire party should be thinking. As well as the candidates.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
This doesn’t jive with you constantly slamming Bernie - but you want the Bernie folks to fall in line. At least Gunz comes out and says Bernie shouldn’t even be running as a Democrat. The only reason people can even say the garbage they do about Bernie fans falling in line is because of the Orange man. I hate that going against Trump limits some true debate. But I’m in agreement number one goal has to be to get rid of him.
the moops
Footballguy
He has released all that info. 128,000 unique donors with an average donation of 47 dollars.
I love you man, but try harder in your Beto hate
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fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Those are factors in consideration of who to vote for in the primary. My hypothetical is the general election, those things aren't really a concern at the point your choice is down to trump or the dem candidate. Unless you're suggesting trump would be a more favorable choice to further the dem agenda in all those other areas. I don't think i could buy that, but it might be interesting to see your case for that notion.
NCCommish
Footballguy
No its not that he waited days to announce when everyone else did in basically real time. It's not the he initially announced raising 5000 in 2 hours and then said he wouldnt announce at all. No the only reason not to give specifics is because unlike Bernie, Kamala or even Warren with small donors providing the money, it's because it's big money bundlers doing the heavy lifting. Hey maybe I'll be proven wrong . Well see at some point.
Do you think that stuff will be significantly different from the fundraising for his Senate bid, which took zero from PACs and focused on small donors? (Link.)
It could be, but I think we should wait for evidence before concluding as much. Making assumptions before data from Beto's campaign was released has already bitten people once.
Yes. This. It's the liberals who are bitter losers and decide they're taking their ball and going home who will give us four more years of Trump. It's almost like one particular candidate's fanclub is saying it better be our guy or we're not helping. 2016 flashbacks.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Until NCC showed up with double barrels (which has me
) nobody was doing what Junior is harping on. If anybody sounds bitter it’s him - HILLARY ####### BLEW IT. It’s ok to admit it.
the moops
Footballguy
He has already promised to not take money from corporations or PACs.
And the data is available already.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
It's not like that at all. It's a false narrative that you keep repeating with little evidence to support it. And by doing so you are engaging in exactly the same kind of activity you're complaining about.
NCCommish
Footballguy
And you have.the nerve to take Bernie backers to task. Trump won my state decisively by over 200k votes. I didn't vote for Johnson either but even if those votes all went to Hillary, they wouldn't, she would've lost. So no I didn't so anything. A few hundred thousand people in the rust belt gave you Trump.
the moops
Footballguy
Don't know. I do know the DNC rejected a ban on corporate PACs so there is still that option for anyone who hasn't explicity said otherwise.
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