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2021-22 NBA Thread: Bill Simmons furiously recording 2.5 hour long pod about how Boston is still better than Golden State (2 Viewers)
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Alex P Keaton
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I read that he was vax’d. Probably with a single dose of J&J though, which is basically the same as being unvax’d with Delta around.
rockaction
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It's Leapin' Lanny Poffo. Man I am just checking spelling tonight brohan because I'm bored and you know what that means.
I know that it's Lanny because we named some kid in our fraternity Leapin' Lanny because every night he'd challenge me and another friend to a drinking game and every night he'd lose. Every. Single. Night. For about a hundred days and a hundred nights. They started calling him Leaping Lanny, bought him a unitard, and the name and mental image just stuck.
Leapin Lanny.
My thoughts about fraternities are complex and layered, to be honest, but that was a good result of a bunch of guys hanging out together. That memory. Take it to the bizzank, amigo, we got Leapin' Lanny Pizzank here.
Frostillicus
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Harry Frogfish
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OMG A WALK CALLED!!! My night is done, that's all I ever wanted.
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rockaction
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gruecd
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Nah, all I really expect is a few rebounds and 10-15 minutes of Boogie bodying guys that would otherwise be bodied by Giannis. Low bar.
gruecd
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Remember that time that Devin Booker averaged 7 fouls per game in the Finals?Warriors - Suns
Let's go!
AAABatteries
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Alex P Keaton
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Alex P Keaton
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Frostillicus
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This made me remember Jim McIlvaine, who signed for 7 years and $33 million with the Soncis in 1996 after a season averaging 2 points and 3 rebounds per game in 15 minutes per game for the Bullets. Shawn Kemp was only making $3M per year at the time and was making all-star teams and all-nba teams, and that contract pissed him off enough that he ended up being traded for Vin Baker. Baker had one good year for the Sonics before depression and alcohol essentially destroyed the rest of his career. The Sonics, who averaged 60 wins per season the last four years, won 61 the first year with Baker and would only break 50 wins once again before the franchise moved.
McIlvaine did average career highs his first season after signing that contract: 18 minutes, 4 points, 4 rebounds, and 2 blocks per game. He last just two years in Seattle. He was traded to New Jersey (where he never reached such lofty numbers again) for Michael Cage (who was 34 and had gotten rid of the Jeri-Curl) and Don MacLean (not the singer, the 1st round bust). He played three years for the Nets, appearing in just 106 of 246 games, before being waived and unsigned by anyone. He made $10.4M from the Nets the next two seasons, despite not playing.
So that was a pretty bad contract.
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Alex P Keaton
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Very physical game vs the Warriors tonight. This Suns team is a special breed of physicality while also flopping more than any team outside of Italian football/soccer.
That said, Phoenix wanted this win more than GS tonight.
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and a little know fact is that he went to marquette in milwaukee and used to announce b-ball games for them on the radio take that to the bank brohan
GordonGekko
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Cousins is a mediocre Stretch 5 who can't offer any rim protection. He's always had good court vision and he's actually a very good passer when he's willing, but he's a bad decision maker.
If I was his agent, I'd get him to work with Kevon Looney every offseason. Have Looney show him to operate with close to no real functional athleticism. Cousins could also stand to drop more weight. If he could hit the three ball from logo range, that would at least help with floor spacing and give him better recovery to get back on defense.
In previous generations of the NBA, he could have shifted into an enforcer role and been a good locker room veteran. Except the league has outlawed the enforcer role since Danny Fortson stopped playing. And Cousins has a negative reputation in general for team chemistry.
He would have been interesting to see play for Phil Jackson with the Triangle and Don Nelson with first run Nellieball.
Old and injured but not crafty enough to adapt.
The league's offset for the DVE represents a cash savings. Lasry is pinching pennies in the corners again. It's hard to look at it that way for a guy paying a close to 50 million dollar tax bill, but sometimes you see that happen. Phil Jackson dumped some 2nd rounders the Knicks couldn't afford to lose so Dolan could save a few dollars. Owners are idiots. Waste money egregiously then turn into skinflints at the edges.
Cousins doesn't finish well at the rim, not sure what hard body contact would do for him. Bucks would have been better off tracking an UDFA like an EJ Onu or a Moses Wright. Former Hawk Mike Scott would have also been more useful.
At some point, some team will figure out trying to convert Frank Ntilikina into a micro small ball 5. He refuses to shoot and attack the rim, but he's not that bad of a defender. You can't afford two zeroes on offense at the same time, and usually teams already have to deal with their likely rim protector being an offensive liability. So functionally the French Prince has to economize the tradeoffs for potential teams.
Encyclopedia Brown
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What I remember about McIlvaine was that he rocked the same buzzcut as Chet from Weird Science.
Mr Anonymous
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CONGRATULATIONS! You just reached "Scroll past as rapidly as possible" status with your 1,000th poster! - Me.
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DJackson10
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So Lebron can recruit a whole year to put a team together but 2 teams have to wait 5 minutes before they can legally tamper and the league takes away a 2nd rounder from CHI and MIA. Who does this hurt more the org or possible players who could be drafted. This is why people think the legal tampering period is a joke. Everyone is talking all the time. NBA just picks and chooses who they want to punish or at least until LeCry cries about it
DJackson10
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Huh? not true. I got the J&J because it came out last and my brother works in the field and said it was the best one to get. Not sure where you are getting this information from.
Navin Johnson
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I got bumped up on my booster by a few weeks because it is crap compared to the others
Leeroy Jenkins
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DJackson10 said:
This is not for this thread, so we can take it elsewhere, but JJ is by far the least effective shot available in the United States. By a lot. It is recommended that if you are 2 months past your JJ dose, that you need to get either a Moderna of Pfizer booster.
CletiusMaximus
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Mr Anonymous said:
You laugh, but Jon Horst could learn alot from this guy. He should have gone after those undrafted 19 year olds who've never logged a minute in the NBA over an unguaranteed no-risk look at D. Cousins.
Summer Wheat
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Enes Kanter calls James a phoney. Says Everybody Knows LeBron James Is A Fake Activist
And, as per usual, Kanter didn't waste the chance to take another shot at his number one enemy, claiming that LeBron's teammates know that he's just a fake activist and does all those things for his PR purposes:
"I had so many conversations with LeBron’s ex-teammates and even they are the one that told me that LeBron, all he’s doing is own PR and everything he’s doing trying to stand up for things is not that he really feels about it," Kanter told CNN.
James has made a name for himself for being a huge philantroprist and even opened his own school in Ohio.
And, as per usual, Kanter didn't waste the chance to take another shot at his number one enemy, claiming that LeBron's teammates know that he's just a fake activist and does all those things for his PR purposes:
"I had so many conversations with LeBron’s ex-teammates and even they are the one that told me that LeBron, all he’s doing is own PR and everything he’s doing trying to stand up for things is not that he really feels about it," Kanter told CNN.
James has made a name for himself for being a huge philantroprist and even opened his own school in Ohio.
Juxtatarot
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Juxtatarot
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Bulls and Heat each lose a 2nd round pick as a result of free agent tampering this summer. Both teams undoubtedly believe it was worth it.
Frostillicus
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Wolves so badly need a big man who can play some kind of defense against physical centers. Harrell just destroying them tonight.
And Towns just died.
And Towns just died.
Encyclopedia Brown
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Frostillicus
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10 of those were dunks. That's where the Wovles have been getting killed all year. Valanciunas murdered them. I think, assuming they stay in the playoff picture, that they need to move Prince's $13 million expiring to get some kind of inside defensive help.
DJackson10
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Apparently it does. This is why I think the rule is kind of BS. Players can talk and recruit all they want. Hell I think it's been mentioned in the past the way some teams have gotten around tampering Violations is by telling their top player to talk to X player for them and here's our pitch. But you really can't stop players from talking. I know there's certain rules of mentioning players not on your team aren't allowed which I do get unless it's within context of the game you played etc. But the fact teams can't talk to players in season or in contract and players can to recruit is just mind boggling. And the legal tampering period? Teams and agents talk numbers constantly not fooling anyone. The legal tampering period the NBA uses just relaxes those rules because the NBA knows what a sh** Show it would be if they didn't.
DJackson10
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A lot of people say this about numerious players. It looks good for PR purposes but it does a lot better on your Taxes as a Tax exempt especially if you are a player who makes loads of money. The NFL people I've been around I've heard this a lot about specific players that everyone think are saints but are really fake activists. People just trying to look good and have another tax exempt. I had a neighbor who use to talk about his buddy doing a lot of stuff at his church charity wise. My neighbor said one day he asked his buddy why he does it, because he was curious and was thinking it'd be a good recreational thing to do especially with retirement coming up in his own future and to stay active and busy. His buddy replies "Dude I'm not really religious at all. You think I believe all this God and Jesus BS? I do it because it makes a great tax exemption. There's no way I could afford my 2nd house at the Jersey Shore and my European Vacation each year without this. Thats why I do it. Its sucks taking the time to do it but it's well worth it in the end." My neighbor was floored by his buddy response ,but then when he asked around and got another buddy who worked for a firm who took care of celebrities and athletes he realized a lot more people do it for that reason as well.
BTW the school Lebron opened I believe he said he'd foot the whole bill but left the community with the bill instead. I'm not sure if there was miscommunication or what about the funding or what. Clevland Planer Journalists wrote essentially Long story short that Lebron who many figured was paying for the whole school was only footing 25% of it and the city/town plus citizens were footing the other 75% of the bill. Which is a far cry from James paying for most of the school. Now I can't find any stories saying that James would foot the whole bill or vice versa but the the story lends a case that people were misled in the promotion of the school of how much Lebron really footed of this bill. I think the issue in this case is instead of Lebron calling a time out and explaining everything to air out he just let it go. Even if the story was misinformation coverage wise Lebron did nothing to detract that report.
In other words be wary of people who do a ton of community service. Make sure it's always for the right intentions. The people who get the service probably don't care but you and I as taxpayers should really care that someone else is able to afford to cheat the system to not pay their fair share of taxes. This is how politicians and others funnel their funny money. We could create a whole new thread on all of this alone though
DJackson10
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Yeah I know its not. I was just curious as I've yet to hear this, have a brother who works for the industry who said it was probably the best one since it came out later as well. Also my doctor knows the shot I took and she comes into my work constantly and hasn't said anything to me of it.
DJackson10
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Considering all it was a 2nd it was well worth it plus the players we gave up anyway. Just hate the NBA thinks this is punishment when it punishes prospects more then the teams and the NBA picks and chooses who to go after. Also the "legal tampering period" is such a joke to begin with.
Seriously? This is pretty common knowledge. J and J is 66% effective compared to 95% with the other two.
GordonGekko
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Cousins can't defend the rim. He has no value, not even moderately as a rim runner. He is unable to switch on defense even at a low level. Teams will bracket him by exploiting him on the pick and roll.
Pivots need to offer some kind of actual defensive value. There is an inverse relationship between high individual rebounding numbers and effective rim protection. Contested rebounds are one of the least valuable attributes a modern pivot can have in the current Space And Pace style game.
Is there a role for a 3rd string/4th string Stretch 5 who is a designated shooter? Sure, on some teams, when that player knows his role. Cousins has ball stopping tendencies as he actually is decent at reading another team's defense but he's often a poor decision maker that brings up his issues with basic ball security. Age and injuries have sapped Cousins athleticism and he just has not adjusted his game to that reality. He doesn't finish well around the rim and like most declining pivots, he gets into foul trouble too easily now because he has to reach more / give intentional contact more to try to make up for a lack of functional recovery speed.
And UDFA just needs to give some moderate rim protection and the ability to be a rim runner with the requisite bench energy of a hungry player and would instantly be more valuable than DMC on any roster.
Point to note, the Knicks are a stone cold lock to turn down Kevin Knox's qualifying offer this coming offseason. As a bargain bin FA with a low motor and craptastic work ethic and generally a low BBIQ player, he can still hit a three point shot and can operate as a 3rd string situational Stretch 4. As one of the worst players in the NBA, Knox would still have more value to any NBA team than the current iteration of Cousins.
Cousins is now a journeyman who either fills a practical role as a third stringer or he does not. ( Spoiler for the end of the movie, DMC does not fill a practical role, which is why he was available in the first place) An UDFA doesn't need to be an All Star, he just needs to fill a specific role on the outside fringes of a rotation.
You are looking at a former brand name player who no longer even offers generic value. But you are hanging onto that worn down brand name as if that still means something.
Are you going to explain how specifically DMC helps the Bucks in a practical manner considering his practical trade offs and limitations against the backdrop of how the modern Space And Pace game is played? I doubt it.
Mr Anonymous
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Now 6-0 when all 3 play with an average winning margin of 14.5
Aaaaaaand 10-0 with an average winning margin of 13.9.
Still missing two starters from last year's Championship squad. Though in fairness DiVincenzo will have to settle for being a glue guy off the bench when he returns to health. GRay Allen has taken his job and ain't giving it back.
CletiusMaximus
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DJackson10
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I've been out of the loop for ages. Its called work. I work retail. It amazes me how many people think people in my career have a life to keep up with all of this stuff. Last I saw was a report on my phone with an update saying it was pretty effective. Ive barely looked at anything covid related in months. I've literally woken up, gone to work, work 10-12 hrs a day because we're short handed and people are realizing they don't need to accept jobs anymore with poor pay to start, come home spent a little time online an hope I don't doze off prior.
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You call it nonsense because you don't actually understand fundamental basketball.
If Cousins had even a shred of ability to rim run anymore, he could take advantage of his court vision ( which is actually pretty good for a big man, he had a nice two man game going with Anthony Davis with the Pelicans) and his innate passing ability. Cousins is actually a very good passing big when he's committed and disciplined ( Very rarely is he one or both on the court, which is why he was available in the first place)
This would give him some real offensive value away from his inability to finish effectively at the rim ( good hands relative to a big but poor touch) and his streaky three point shooting with generally horrible shot selection.
One of the reasons contested rebounds are so devalued are the conditions when you fight for them and don't get them. Now you have your pivots unable to recover fast enough to provide rim protection and expose yourself to the mismatches inherent in a transition offensive possession. Now you've created a condition where the opposition is in a position to use a rim runner, if they have one, against you.
Speaking of transition opportunities, how do you create those? With defensive stops. Does Cousins give you defensive stops? He's a defensive zero. Now you've taxed the other four guys on the court trying to offer flailing help defense for DMC. Which might be digestible if Cousins could offer some kind of video game level offense in exchange. We are talking prime Melo or prime Irving or prime Jamal Crawford (on the low end) type scorching heliocentric offense.
You say Cousins is a "no risk" bargain but you don't take the time to unpack why he's available in the first place. A player that sits on the FA market is available for a reason. Usually it's because his limitations and trade offs make your team more likely to lose games than to win games. Any team in the league could have had Cousins at the veteran's minimum. In fact, the DVE offers a cash offset from the league. Meaning any team could have had Cousins and the NBA itself would have paid close to half of his salary in cash for his level of league tenure and service time. And yet all NBA teams passed him over and over, yes even for some fringe UDFA types, again for a reason.
Can Cousins give the Bucks some early burn? Yes, in terms of he has "Fresh Legs" relative to his actual age/injury/attrition situation. The problem? That kind of early push is usually not sustainable. There's a reason why the CBA gives franchises multiple 10 day contract options on fringe guys before they are forced to make a decision to keep them for the rest of the season. Jeremy Lin during Linsanity had literally no attrition when he walked on as the Knicks starting point guard. He was facing down battered players who were eating the long slogged NBA regular season grind. These kind of things make a difference.
Don't want to read it? That's your choice. Too bad for you, because there are people who will and they might actually learn something new about functional modern basketball.
So you have zero free time but can type out full essays daily on fantasy boards lol
In the time it takes you to discuss Ben Simmons every day, you could become an expert on what you put into your body.
GordonGekko
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Based on what exactly?
Why couldn't Curry be lethal in a previous era of professional basketball?
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